Giants lose NAB Cup games but win respect

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    For AFL newcomers Greater Western Sydney, the pre-season is of particular importance, as they settle their line-up and prepare for their debut regular season appearance.

    With that debut little more than a month away, the pre-season competition got under way this weekend. For all teams involved, it’s an important hit-out, a chance to work on game plans. And for youngsters, fringe players and recent draftees, a chance to showcase their skills and make a claim for senior selection.

    The first round of the pre-season competition is played through a set of triple-headers, with each side playing 20-minute halves against two other teams.

    Drawn to play against Western Bulldogs and Collingwood at the GWS home training venue at Blacktown, Greater Western Sydney’s NAB Cup campaign also presents an opportunity for supporters to have a look at the AFL’s newest club.

    Overcast and threatening afternoon skies may have scared some fans away, but the potential downpour didn’t come. And a crowd of 7,086 turned up to take in the action: not a great number, but the vast majority were in the charcoal and orange of the Giants.

    Many experts had predicted the Giants would be easybeats, with bookmakers offering the relatively short odds of $11 that they would not score a goal in either game.

    Early in the first match against the Bulldogs there were danger signs. Perhaps over-awed by the occasion, the Giants struggled to man up and defend as the Bulldogs started with two quick goals.

    The Giants got on the board though, and those who had taken the bet on the Giants failing to goal would have to rip up their tickets as Curtly Hampton converted a free kick from 40 metres out.

    It would be their only goal in the first half. But the Giants lifted after half time, and with the first goal of the second half got back to be only a goal down, while the crowd began to find their voice.

    Then disaster struck for the home side, with a free kick sending the Bulldogs into attack for Daniel Cross to goal. And worse was to come, with an inexplicable free kick in the teeth of goal gifting Matthew Panos a goal and opening a match-winning lead.

    The free to Panos evoked the wrath of the crowd; and anyone who thought there would no passion in the supporters of the new club would soon have that idea swept away as a tirade of angry abuse was sent over the fence to the men in green.

    The Giants refused to concede, and co-captain Callan Ward, playing against his old club, landed a nine-pointer; with a late goal to Rhys Palmer getting them back to within a kick. But they were unable to conjure up a late winner, going down by just five points; only the controversial free to Panos denying them the upset win.

    The Giants took a breather while the Bulldogs were joined in the middle by Collingwood. A scrappy and low-scoring contest saw only seven goals scored, and a seven-point win for the Magpies.

    And then it was time for the final feature of the night, with the newcomers taking on grand finalists Collingwood.

    Adam Tomlinson got an early goal for the Giants, and a spectacular individual effort by Rhys Cooyou sent the crowd into raptures as the Giants took a shock six-point lead to half time.

    When ruckman Jonathan Giles goaled in the first minute of the final quarter, the chance of an upset was in the air.

    It wasn’t to be, as the Magpies fought back, and an early nomination for goal of the year by Jackson Paine, threading the ball through from a near impossible angle from the boundary, saw them take the lead late.

    The Giants had a chance to steal victory in the final seconds, with Tomlinson having a chance to mark within scoring range, but the Magpie defence held firm and the siren sounded to give the Magpies a narrow three-point win.

    The Giants didn’t win either game. But they may have won something more than points. They may have won some respect from the football world.

    Far from easybeats, they fought out both games. Far from being thrashed, they could have won.

    Ruckman Jonathan Giles showed his value to the new franchise, among the Giants’ best in both games. Former Melbourne captain James McDonald had class against the Bulldogs, while Phil Davis was solid in defence in both matches.

    Cooyou showed plenty of attacking flair and Stephen Conoglio plenty of potential. Most fit players got good of game time, which will be vital preparation for the season ahead.

    And so the crowd filed out of the stadium. For the Collingwood fans, the satisfaction of two wins. Bulldog fans could celebrate one.

    The vast majority, in the colours of the Giants, left with the knowledge that the newcomers were competitive, good enough to match it with their opponents.

    They also left with a greater sense of optimism that their team will be good enough to take their place in the AFL.

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    • Roar Guru

      February 20th 2012 @ 10:56am
      Redb said | February 20th 2012 @ 10:56am | ! Report

      Pay tv ratings

      AFL takes 7 of the top 10 shows with Coll v GWS pre season game the highest rating sports program of the week.

      • February 20th 2012 @ 2:04pm
        Ted Skinner said | February 20th 2012 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

        Here they are
        Top 10 Sport Broadcasts
        1 LIVE: NAB CUP COLLINGWOOD V GWS FOX FOOTY Sat 21:25 259 ‐ 1366 466
        2 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD FOX SPORTS 2 Sat 19:30 244 ‐ 1423 514
        3 LIVE: NAB CUP BULLDOGS V COLLINGWOOD FOX FOOTY Sat 20:20 242 ‐ 1472 471
        4 LIVE: NAB CUP HAWTHORN V RICHMOND FOX FOOTY Fri 20:55 238 ‐ 1387 468
        5 LIVE: NAB CUP GWS V BULLDOGS FOX FOOTY Sat 19:00 222 ‐ 1325 445
        6 LIVE: NAB CUP NORTH MELBOURNE V HAWTHORN FOX FOOTY Fri 19:50 214 ‐ 1215 506
        7 LIVE: NAB CUP RICHMOND V NORTH MELBOURNE FOX FOOTY Fri 18:30 169 ‐ 970 384
        8 NAB CUP RICHMOND V NORTH MELBOURNE FOX FOOTY Fri 22:00 105 ‐ 1104 346
        9 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE BRIS V MELB V FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 19:30 79 ‐ 1419 282
        10 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE MELB H V G CST FOX SPORTS 1 Fri 20:00 61 ‐ 1313 193

        Last year at this time:
        Top 10 Sport Broadcasts
        1 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 SYD V GC FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 20:55 312 – 1482 521
        2 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 GWS V GC FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 21:50 287 – 1290 462
        3 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 5 GWS V SYD FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 19:00 245 – 1347 568
        4 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: REBELS V WARATAHS FOX SPORTS 2 Fri 19:30 231 – 1312 516
        5 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 19:03 224 – 1434 482
        6 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 3 WC V HAW FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 19:30 185 – 1487 443
        7 LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP POOL 3 HAW V FRE FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 20:56 173 – 1406 363
        8 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: BRUMBIES V CHIEFS FOX SPORTS 2 Sat 19:30 139 – 1447 408
        9 LIVE: CRICKET: WORLD CUP WARM-UP FOX SPORTS 2 Sun 19:40 124 – 1258 572
        10 LIVE: RUGBY LEAGUE: CHARITY SHIELD PRE GAME FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 18:30 121 – 1196 226

        They (the NAB games) seem to have gone backwards.

        • Roar Guru

          February 20th 2012 @ 3:17pm
          The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

          It’s an interesting comparison.

          Soccer fans might well argue that they are the big winners, having gone from zero games in the top 10, the year before, to two games in the top 10, with an average rating of 70.

          League had two shows in the top 10 last year, with total ratings of 345, down to one show, with ratings of 244.

          The AFL had five games in the top 10 last year, with total ratings of 1,202, but this year are up to 7 shows in the top 10 with total ratings of 1,449. You will also note that the average ratings for those 7 shows has gone up – and each of those shows ran for over three hours.

          I’ll tell you another thing, how did the AFL get 7 shows in the top 10 with only 6 games? Because one game got in the top 10 twice, the first showing got 169, and then the replay four hours later got another 105, for total ratings of 274.

          And this is a perfect example of why Fox went so hard after the AFL games, when a replay can make the top 10 – that’s getting bang for your buck! The 8 or so talk shows will get similar ratings to that replay, and helps explain why the Fox Footy station has been resurrected. Lots of hours, averaging lots of ratings.

          • Roar Guru

            February 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm
            The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm | ! Report

            Sorry – the average for those 7 shows hasn’t gone up – my error.

          • Roar Guru

            February 20th 2012 @ 3:19pm
            The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

            Alhtough if we were to compare the ratings for the six NAB cup games against six, then the average has clearly gone up.

            • February 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm
              Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm | ! Report


              Sorry I think its a bit early to be drawing conclusions but promising for the AFL nonetheless. I think the AFL are figuring on 17K at Skoda per fortnight…

              • Roar Guru

                February 20th 2012 @ 5:27pm
                The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

                I agree, it’s very early, Fox Footy been going for two days only, but I’m still amazed that a replay of a NAB cup game made the top 10 (and another was just outside the top 10).

              • February 20th 2012 @ 6:08pm
                JVGO said | February 20th 2012 @ 6:08pm | ! Report

                Cattery, again in your absolute desperation to claim a victory for the AFL at every turn you have ended up babbling incoherently it seems.

                Correct me if I’m wrong but on the face of those figures it would appear that the charity Shield, which I expect is the only NRL game broadcast during that week, maintained it’s ratings from last year almost exactly, which would sort of make sense and make a good benchmark while every other timeslot for the AFL has declined, even though the total number of subscription viewers during each slot seems the same.

                Your contention that the NRL went from 2 progams in the top 10 to one is patently wishful and absurd as one of the two slots last year was the pregame for the Charity Shield and the other one was the Charity Shield itself. Similarly Super rugby hasn’t started this year, and the Cricket WC isn’t on of course.

                And you wonder why people just can’t help but laugh at all you AFL guys and your complete lack of objectivity. Your desperate gamble on this $200 million Victorian attempt to turn NSWmen into international sports eunuchs just like yourselves, and your obsession with its success appears to consistently cloud your thinking.

              • Roar Guru

                February 21st 2012 @ 10:31am
                The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:31am | ! Report


                I didn’t put up the comparison, one of your comrade-in-arms did, and yes, last year there were two NRL shows in the top 10, and this year there is one – last year there were five AFL shows, and this year there are seven – I’m telling you precisely what’s in the top 10 – are you able to see that? I can’t make it any plainer than that.

                You are correct that the peak viewing figure from one year to the next has dropped for the AFL, and I am saying that countering that, the six NAB cup games this year got more than the six NAB cup games last year – are you able to discern that? Let me know if you need assistance in reading the numbers.

                Finally, with only six NAB cup games – how did the AFL get seven shows into the top 10?

                I’ll tell you – this is the really interesting bit – one of the replays of the games has made it into the top 10, and another was just outside the top 10 – that’s the really interesting part of the story – a replay of a game actually made it into the top 10.

                Maybe that sort of thing has happened before, I don’t know, but considering it’s only a pre-season game, I thought that was interesting.

              • Roar Guru

                February 21st 2012 @ 10:38am
                The_Wookie said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:38am | ! Report

                The bst part is one of the games that was replayed on friday was replayed again on saturday – where it was 15th and rated 53,000 lol

              • Roar Guru

                February 21st 2012 @ 10:45am
                The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 10:45am | ! Report

                the second replay of a game the day after was still ranked 15th??!!

                Do you have a list of those shows from 11 to 20?

              • Roar Guru

                February 21st 2012 @ 11:00am
                The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:00am | ! Report


                if you’re interested, and I’m sure you are, you can get further info here:


                “LIVE NAB Cup broadcasts accounted for six of the top seven most watched programs on subscription television last week,topped by Saturday night’s clash between 2011 Grand Finalists Colllingwood and newcomers Greater Western Sydney which drew an average audience of 259,000 – the biggest audience for an opening round NAB Cup fixture in subscription TV history.

                After the first six LIVE matches on FOX FOOTY, average audiences rose 23% above the 2011 average for the opening round of NAB Cup broadcasts on FOX SPORTS”.

              • February 21st 2012 @ 11:56am
                JVGO said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:56am | ! Report

                So up against no competition you are celebrating and jumping up and down about not even beating yourselves last year?

              • Roar Guru

                February 21st 2012 @ 12:23pm
                The Cattery said | February 21st 2012 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

                I can only go by Fox’s numbers, they are saying a 23% increase on last year.

                I think one problem we see witih league fans such as yourself, you readily pin your hopes on one big game, or a few big games, a few high peaks, but you don’t understand that ratings are measured and totalled over a 7 month period – and it’s that volume over that long period, over the many, many hours that are broadcast, the many, many, many hours, that matter above all else.

                That’s where the money is coming from.

        • February 20th 2012 @ 5:38pm
          stabpass said | February 20th 2012 @ 5:38pm | ! Report

          What do the actual 3 figures represent …….. anybody ?? 259 ‐ 1366 466

          • February 20th 2012 @ 9:54pm
            JVGO said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:54pm | ! Report

            That’s two figures SB. 259,000 viewers of the AFL out of 1,366,466 total viewers of the pay network during that slot.

            • February 21st 2012 @ 9:50am
              stabpass said | February 21st 2012 @ 9:50am | ! Report

              I thought the first was average, the second. the amount of viewers available and the third, the peak.

              259 ‐ 1366 466

            • February 21st 2012 @ 11:37am
              Jaceman said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:37am | ! Report


              I thought I read the Charity Shield was up 10% on last year which is a good result given saints following as Saints were premiers in 2010 and somehow managed that and a trip to the UK before the season..

            • February 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm
              clipper said | February 21st 2012 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

              What happened to the charity sheild pre game ratings – didn’t they have it this year?

            • February 21st 2012 @ 8:53pm
              stabpass said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:53pm | ! Report

              No it appears you are wrong, the last total is reach, have a look 259 ‐ 1366 466

              Here they are


              You cant seriously think that there is 1,366,466 total viewers, there are 1,366, 000 total viewers, the reach is 466,000, 259,000 is the average viewers.

              • February 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm
                JVGO said | February 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

                So 259,000 is the people who have nothing better to do, 466,000 includes the people who flicked over to check the score or didn’t really want to watch it and 1,366,000 are normal people? I should have known there aren’t 1,366,466 normal people in the country. 466 too many.

              • February 24th 2012 @ 4:19pm
                Nathan of Perth said | February 24th 2012 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

                Uh, the 466 is listed as “Weekly” which, to my understanding, includes the replays during the week. 1,366 is STV, the total viewership as in that amount of people who had Foxtel on, on average, whilst the program was being broadcast. The 259k figure is the people who watched it live.

                Or when translated into Trollish, “had nothing better to do”. 🙂

              • February 24th 2012 @ 9:02pm
                stabpass said | February 24th 2012 @ 9:02pm | ! Report

                I understood that the 466 was the peak audience for the night, but at any rate JVGO got it wrong, very wrong !!.

                Those ratings must be fantastic, if foxtel can say 1,366,466 people watching precisely.

        • Roar Guru

          February 21st 2012 @ 8:02am
          Redb said | February 21st 2012 @ 8:02am | ! Report

          So you looked up last years Nab Cup games to ‘try’ and find a negative. – L on your forehead.

          NRL lost.

    • February 20th 2012 @ 12:02pm
      ac said | February 20th 2012 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

      Look REDB i think the problem from where i sit with AFL is I really really really like the game. My last football match was a AFL game between the Swans and Hawthorn. But I also am over the contrived hype that goes on with AFL. The notion it is the best game and is the game we all need is wrong. Kevin Sheedys tactics are just too much. I like the way the North Hobart football club welcomed the NRL game between Storm and the Broncos to Hobart. Got 11,700 and another 3000 kids for a total attendance of 14,000. This is in a place where NRL has no presence. But the difference is their was no hostility. In other Markets the AFL is very aggessive and taking the two players to cement thir image in the respective markets (Gold Coast and Western Sydney) was poor form. Thats all i complain about AFL has as much right as anyone else to be where they want. The game is a wonderful game but it gets a little bit too much to see people from AFL constantly bagging out other codes. Then when some one replies they get shouted down. Be happy that AFL is a great sport and will carve out a nice niche for itself in Western Sydney. But also be happy that other codes are played to and whilst they mighten be your favourite realise they are to other people. If AFL stands on its own merits as a game it will do well, if it stands on the contrived popuilarism of marketing people etc then i think the Sydney Public wont stand for it.
      Pklease dont bag me out for having my say. It applies to other codes having a go at AFL too,

      • February 20th 2012 @ 12:35pm
        Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

        I cant speak for every NRL or AFL supporters views but funny see my post above, when the Storm went to melbourne no-one cared – it seems the NRL have some concerns which is why they are scheduling heavily against the AFL…

        I note on the March 24 game GWS v Swans, bizarrely the Manly St george game (venue to be determined) is up against it on Saturday night – the last 2 premiers couldnt get a TV game (ie be in the top 4 games) and all western Sydney teams are playing in West Sydney that weekend. Channel Nine can show the NRL Saturday night game live if they pay Foxtel 300K – what are the chances???

        I would like to see the day when the Cairns NRL whatevers sponsor a pre-season AFL Cairns..

        • February 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm
          stabpass said | February 20th 2012 @ 9:05pm | ! Report

          This is a very good point, when was the last time a RL club promoted a AFL match, such as North Hobart Football club did for RL.

          The Sydney media would go troppo, just out of interest here is a snippett of news from Port Macquarie playing the local code war card, getting the locals all fired up.

          • February 20th 2012 @ 11:26pm
            clipper said | February 20th 2012 @ 11:26pm | ! Report

            It’s quite sad that they had to push the AFL going up 400% and league declining story instead of having a feel good story about more kids getting involved with sports instead of joining the obesity statistics.

    • February 20th 2012 @ 3:08pm
      NF said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:08pm | ! Report

      Conspiracy theory strikes again Jaceman you wear that tinfoil hat so tightly when it comes to league don’t you.

      • February 20th 2012 @ 4:24pm
        Jaceman said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

        NF can you explain the NRL scheduling then…I have a couple of theories for AFL and RU too so NRL isnt special..BTW Watergate was a conspircay as was Lincolns assasination and the Archduke in 1914 as well. I think that was what you were confused with…

        • February 21st 2012 @ 12:20am
          NF said | February 21st 2012 @ 12:20am | ! Report


          By all means tell me your theories about RU and AFL but to me you constanly mention RL the majority of the time as a easy target I say plus not to diss the code you support which I assume is either RU/AFL. So spill the beans Jace I’m curious.

          • February 21st 2012 @ 11:51am
            Jaceman said | February 21st 2012 @ 11:51am | ! Report

            I never said NRL was an easy target but from Webster in the Tele this morning

            “This is a city we have a long-term ownership of,” marketing director Paul Kind said. “With the Sydney draw, with the way it’s been laid out this year, with the strength of the Sydney versus Sydney games particularly over the first six rounds, it makes sense. Sydney is the place where this game has been front and centre for more than a hundred years. It makes sense for us to spend our dollars here.”
            The battle for hearts and minds in Sydney will be under close scrutiny this year with new AFL franchise GWS on the precipice of their debut season. Accordingly, the game’s powerbrokers agreed late last year to tailor the draw to strike back at the aggressive stance of their rival code. A series of blockbuster games will be held in Sydney in Round 4 to coincide with the Giants’ first home game.””

            So the draw has been tailored….

            How about the South African RU referee keeping Australia in the RWC 2003 Final when it was live nationally so a close game was imperative – went to extra time…a Harriganesque performance

            McGuire rushes out the Malthouse/Bucklety changeover announcement the night before the AFL announced the Hunt signing – Channel Nines Hutchison knew of the Hunt signing and the Nine’s AFL footy show barely mentions the Hunt signing even though it was the biggest football story of the year…


    • Roar Guru

      February 20th 2012 @ 3:57pm
      The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

      GWS website pumping up the fact that it was the top rating show on Fox:

    • February 20th 2012 @ 4:56pm
      King of the Gorgonites said | February 20th 2012 @ 4:56pm | ! Report

      anyone know the take up of foxtel in the southern states since their broadcasting annoucement?

    • Roar Guru

      February 20th 2012 @ 8:08pm
      The Cattery said | February 20th 2012 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

      Just watching AFL 360, great to see it back, Rocket was very good, and he gave a glowing appraisal of Izzy. You have to judge him like an 18 year old rookie coming into the game, except this one is 196 cm and an extraordinary athlete, it’s all about seeing him improve this first year, not to expect too much, but in his opinion, will start to come good next season.

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