NSW, time to embrace our Origin failure

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    Over the past six years the humiliation of the New South Wales Blues in the State of Origin has been the best thing that could have happened to Origin football and indeed the whole rugby league world.

    I’m not saying this as a parochial Queenslander, who is happy to see New South Wales get smashed again and again. I’m saying it as a New South Wales fan who feels a bitter emptiness at the end of every State of Origin campaign.

    First, let’s dispel some myths.

    Queensland’s dominance is not a result of any kind of tactical brilliance on the part of the Maroons’ organisation and structure.

    Their success boils down to one simple fact: most of the world’s best rugby league players in the past six years have been Queenslanders.

    The likes of Thurston, Cronk, Smith, Slater and of course Lockyer constitute what is probably the strongest side we’ll ever see wearing the maroon jumper.

    Both New South Wales and Queensland fans should consider themselves privileged to have watched such a side play, during what will be considered a golden age of Origin football.

    Believe me – it won’t always be this way.

    Let me offer an analogy.

    In the fourth century BC the most powerful country in the world was a small nation called Macedonia. Its armies conquered everything from Southern Europe all the way to India (most of the known world at the time) in a little under ten years.

    Talented military strategists, led by a true military genius of history in Alexander the Great, had achieved the impossible.

    Within a generation it was all gone – once the talent was no longer there, the country lost its empire and in the end its freedom.

    I’m not saying Queensland with be conquered by the Roman Army in a few years (although anything is possible). I’m simply saying the current situation is one we should respect and enjoy because it won’t last forever.

    Queensland’s domination has been brilliant for several other reasons.

    As mentioned above we have all had the honour of watching the best players in the world playing their best football.

    This has, I hope, finally rid Queensland rugby league of its underdog status.

    How the next 30 years of Origin will play out, I’m not sure. But it will be a different Queensland due the success of this team. (Think of the Maroons as being Apple to the Blues’ Microsoft.)

    The Queensland team has, for the most part, been brilliant role models for young footy players. They will continue to ensure the growth of the code, not only in Queensland but in New South Wales, where there is a solid grudging respect for the Maroons.

    Just as the Queenslanders can no longer claim underdog status, New South Wales can no longer assume an arrogant attitude of being number one in rugby league.

    The arrogance of New South Wales-based league administrators has been a blight on the game. The humiliation of the Blues year after year has surely shattered that complacent attitude.

    Origin has never been so strongly supported in New South Wales, because finally the fans can enjoy something they have never experienced before – underdog status.

    The New South Wales public might be frustrated that we can’t beat this land of giants, but underneath that frustration is a growing ambition and satisfaction in relishing the fight.

    The New South Wales Blues have also grown in stature.

    As little as a couple of years ago, players were putting club before Origin, saying they would make themselves unavailable for the Blues because of the lack of respect for the team.

    That attitude doesn’t seem to be around anymore; playing for New South Wales is assuming its rightful stature.

    The New South Wales public loves the debate which occurs every year around Origin time.

    Finally, nothing brings a community together like losing together.

    What was the greatest moment in recent British history? The answer is 1940. The Battle of Britain.

    Through sheer guts and determination the massive might of Nazi Germany was held off and Britain was saved against terrible odds.

    So six years of failure has reaped enormous benefit. And in the future we may well look back on this era as the golden age of Origin.

    But of course, six years is quite enough.

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    • April 13th 2012 @ 7:28am
      oikee said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:28am | ! Report

      Very good, you sneaky sneaky very cleverly disguised art of sheer genious if i had not spotted this statement. “Claim Underdog Status”. And you said it twice, nice salesman tactic, if i say it enough, people will start to believe me,, haha.
      Nice very nice, you thought we (being queenslanders) would not notice what you are up to, hahaha, nice try mate.

      Lets get something straight, right now, Queensland will forever in a day be the underdogs, we could win 15 Origins straingth, and still be the underdogs, we earnt the right. We got flogged for 70 years, 70 years as the underdogs we copped a beating from NSW, and after a poultry 6 years you think you have earned the right now to have the underdog status. ๐Ÿ™‚
      Come-on, you said it yourself while you were trying to hide the fact all you are looking for is “underdog status” to buy the feel sorry for us vote.
      No way, no way on earth are you going to buy cheap votes, i plead to the casual fan, dont be fooled by this wolf in sheeps clothing.
      You said it youself, the tide will turn, then you will sink the boot into Queenslanders, ๐Ÿ˜‰ sink the boot into us poor Queenslanders ๐Ÿ™ as you did for 70 years ladies and gentlemen, they kicked and kicked , we still have the bruises. ๐Ÿ™‚
      Hope that helps the swinging voters this year. ๐Ÿ™‚ Get on a good thing, Queenslanders, we work hard for you.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 8:12am
        League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:12am | ! Report

        “Lets get something straight, right now, Queensland will forever in a day be the underdogs, we could win 15 Origins straingth, and still be the underdogs, we earnt the right. We got flogged for 70 years, 70 years as the underdogs we copped a beating from NSW, and after a poultry 6 years you think you have earned the right now to have the underdog status.”

        Interesting statement. Especially because you’re talking of an era when a NSW team full of Queensland players was beating Queensland every year. Now that that particular situation has been rectified (except of course for the one NSW player who consistently makes the Queensland side ๐Ÿ™‚ ) you can hardly claim under dog status. Indeed your statement reads like a revisionist history lesson – something like the French saying ‘the Italians occupied us for 500 years back in the Roman era therefore they deserve to get smashed by us…’

        One word for them and one word for you Oikee – Ancient History mate!

        Still if you really want to hold onto your under dog status then you could do worse than embrace the philosophy of the All Blacks in New Zealand – managing to be world champions for 100 years straight and STILL maintain and under dog status. Takes a special talent….

        • April 13th 2012 @ 8:39am
          oikee said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:39am | ! Report

          The all-blacks could never be world champions for 100 years, the world cup only come into play 1985 ?
          Ruggy leagues started in 1954 i think, so that is closer to 60 years.
          Ancient history, ? you mean history, like NSW again this year.
          Origin is and will be playing a bigger and bigger roll in state affairs, now and into the future.
          Now is not the time or place for Queensland to go soft on NSW.
          We are the underdogs, and we will play as the underdogs. Lockyer has retired, this will give us instant underdog status.

          • April 13th 2012 @ 8:49am
            League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:49am | ! Report

            The World Cup has nothing to do with being World Champions – I’m simply talking about their win rate in international matches.

            Of course feel free to disagree – and claim the Kiwi’s as the best Rugby League team in the world (until the next World Cup) ๐Ÿ™‚

            By your argument surely NSW achieved under dog status when Andrew Johns retired? Or when Kurt Gidley was named Captain?

          • April 13th 2012 @ 10:05am
            Renegade said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:05am | ! Report

            I just looked at the betting odds and ahhh yep NSW are underdogs……

            How could any team consisting – Slater, Inglis, Hodges, Thurston, Cronk and Smith not be favourites.

            League Coach,

            Your absolutely right, even though we have lost 6 series straight i have enjoyed watching the brilliance of the players mentioned above and it is a golden age…..i think this might be the year that the UNDERDOG finally prevails – NSW!!

            C’arrn the BLUES!!

            • April 13th 2012 @ 10:23am
              League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:23am | ! Report

              When I watched Queensland win their 5th in a row on the winters night at ANZ Stadium in 2010 I consoled myself by remembering that I was privileged to watch one of the all time great Rugby League sides consisting of some of the greatest players of all time.

              Similar to watching any Storm game. ๐Ÿ™‚

              Oh and it was Folou’s last game of Origin too. I wonder when his 4 year mission to the pagan lands will be over/

              • April 13th 2012 @ 10:43am
                oikee said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:43am | ! Report

                I was just reading about a guy called John Falou, Izzy’s little brother. He is the next big thing, and he is a queenslander, he just does not know it yet. ๐Ÿ™‚
                Big Mal will have to invite him up north for a cuppa.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 7:44am
      oikee said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:44am | ! Report

      Anyone want to buy a good watch, i think league-coach is selling them. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • April 13th 2012 @ 7:46am
      Andy said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:46am | ! Report

      “Believe me โ€“ it wonโ€™t always be this way. ” I disagree alot of people think that QLD Cup is better than NSW Cup. Also, alot of NSW teams prefer to bring up Queenslanders through the ranks. At the moment i am expecting another ten years of QLD dominance at origin level. Unless NSW select a better coach like Des Hasler then we might win a couple of series.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 8:51am
        League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:51am | ! Report

        Ahh yes but if any of these QLD Cup players are any good then we’ll research until we find a season where they played 3 games as an under 16 for Tweed Heads and get Ricky to give them a call ๐Ÿ™‚

        • April 13th 2012 @ 9:18am
          BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:18am | ! Report

          If their parents took em to Surfers Paradise for a week when they were kids, they’re ours. Surely you know that.

          • April 13th 2012 @ 9:48am
            League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:48am | ! Report

            That and Hunter Sports High School’s special position as a Queensland Embassy right in the middle of Newcastle ๐Ÿ™‚

            • April 13th 2012 @ 9:49am
              BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:49am | ! Report

              We have very talented generals who have secured territories far and wide to further our needs, rather like the Macedonians!

              • April 13th 2012 @ 10:20am
                League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:20am | ! Report

                I coach junior footy here in Country NSW and as soon as my players reach Under 16’s level I tell them “You know you HAVE to play for NSW now – you can’t play for Queensland.”

              • April 13th 2012 @ 10:27am
                BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:27am | ! Report

                Hats off for coaching junior footy but you really shouldn’t fill kids heads with bad ideas like that. It’s not fair on them.

              • April 13th 2012 @ 10:47am
                oikee said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:47am | ! Report

                Hey Benno, Nsw still have not worked out that Queensland have clamed all the land as far as Byron, we just have not marked it out yet, give us time.
                I wonder if we can spread our wings as far as Newcastle.

              • April 13th 2012 @ 10:57am
                BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:57am | ! Report

                I thought we’d claimed all but the Northern Beaches, I mean really who wants Manly?

                But league_coach101 informed me we’ve got a plant in there too.

                Maybe Origin is dead. Long live Origin!

                I gotta say….I might regret this…Inglis is a QLDer ok, I don’t care what anyone says, but I am glad he er, decided that way.

              • April 13th 2012 @ 11:48am
                League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:48am | ! Report

                Inglis is a QLD’er?

                I’ll leave that for others to argue.

                Next time i drive from Coolangatta to Brisbane I’ll have to stop in at Kempsey for a cuppa with Mal

    • April 13th 2012 @ 8:01am
      Vas Venkatramani said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:01am | ! Report

      I love the notion of underdog status being a prized asset to have, and that being a fight between two states that have both had significant periods of affluence in most other respects.

      Oikee, NSW don’t need a “sorry vote”. End of the day, people from Qld will support Qld, and people from NSW will support NSW. The rest of the states in our country really don’t give a hoot what goes on in our showpiece.

      I will accept the idea that Qld definitely has a stronger league culture than NSW. NSW’s history might be stronger, but Qlder’s feel a stronger affinity with the league culture they have. Call that pride or whatever, but it just means that every year, NSW aren’t just trying to beat a great rugby league team, but also a great culture of the game that has been ingrained into its players.

      Ways for NSW to have a stronger culture? I think Ricky Stuart is on the right track. The fruits of this (ie a series win for NSW) may not come for a few years, but if Qlders method is to adopt a radical “us versus them” mentality, then NSW must do the same and see its purpose to see the strength of the sport belonging in its Australian birthplace rather than the ambushers up north.

      As for this series, sure NSW is up against some great players in Slater, Smith and Thurston, but there was enough last year to suggest they can be stopped. It’s a matter of selection consistency and simple performance on the night. Qld will be faves, but a NSW victory won’t be the kind of “underdog triumph” that league_coach is after.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 8:14am
        League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:14am | ! Report

        I think what Ricky Stuart is trying to breed out of the NSW culture is the complacency about Origin. First we had complacency about our ability to win all the time. Recently it has been complacency that we will always lose. Either way it’s a wasted emotion. Ricky is the on the right track I believe… hope he stays in the job a few more seasons.

        • April 13th 2012 @ 2:43pm
          Charles said | April 13th 2012 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

          You must be joking League Coach!
          Ricky Stuart is a big part of the problem
          We have the players in NSW if we select wisely
          Instead we chop and change in the wrong areas and keep players clearly not up to Origin
          Sure we are light on the front row and 1/2 back but we can do what Qld do and manufacture one
          Qld are good because they do their homework and select on merit and not because it is their mate!
          The fact some of our good players do not want to represent NSW indicates there is a problem that needs to be addressed

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        April 13th 2012 @ 3:34pm
        The Bush said | April 13th 2012 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

        “I will accept the idea that Qld definitely has a stronger league culture than NSW. NSWโ€™s history might be stronger, but Qlderโ€™s feel a stronger affinity with the league culture they have. Call that pride or whatever, but it just means that every year, NSW arenโ€™t just trying to beat a great rugby league team, but also a great culture of the game that has been ingrained into its players.”

        I think you’ll find that Queenslanders have a stronger “culture” about being from Queensland in general, not just in Rugby League. Half the reason the Reds failed for so many years is the administrators couldn’t understand why people didn’t want to play for Queensland for free.

        I think “statism” goes a little further up here in Queensland than it does down in NSW.

        Finally, as the “First State” and the most populous, with Sydney as a capital, it is very difficult to see how NSW could ever be the underdog in any inter-state contest in any sport, just about anyway.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 8:17am
      David said | April 13th 2012 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      “Within a generation it was all gone โ€“ once the talent was no longer there, the country lost its empire and in the end its freedom.”

      Not quiet, the Hellenestic kingdoms that Alexander the Great left behind such as the Seleucid Empire lasted for hundreds of years.

      Just like Alexander the Great made the middle east a greek world for hundreds of years, this team is making origin a Queensland sport.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 9:37am
        League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:37am | ! Report

        True but Macedonia as a power didn’t exist anymore.

        Based on your analogy we can hopefully see the legacy of Queensland’s success being the spread of Rugby League culture to the pagan and uncivilised world (assuming that means SA and WA?).

        Sound great! I look forward to that playing out.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 9:15am
      BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:15am | ! Report

      I think this is too much of an easy excuse. In fact, it’s retrospective towel throwing. Back in the day when QLD were truly the underdogs, NSW always had the best team to ever strap on a boot, and yet…

      So I don’t buy this line. NSW should have won at least one of the last 6 if their players gave a damn. Look at the premiers and runners up in the NRL recently, It’s not like Manly is stacked with QLDers and they’ve done pretty alright over the last few. Hell we even gave you our best coach to bring a team full of blues up to speed to win a premiership. Sure the boys are good and the storm has performed accordingly, but you guys have the players to win a few premierships in there, then you should have won an SOO series too I reckon.

      The attitude that it’s ok to chuck in the towel cos the Maroons are full of once in a generation players is why you’re lot keep losing. We’d never do that, and that’s why it was even stevens until the last few years.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 9:46am
        League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:46am | ! Report

        Ok let;s look a little more closely at that.

        In 2005 the last year NSW won the Premiereship was won by the Tigers – who’s best player is a Kiwi
        in 2006 – the first time the Maroons won Origin the Premiereship was won by the Broncos
        In 2007 no one won (although i hear the Storm went very close)
        In 2008 Manly won – I’ll concede at the time they were choc full of NSW potential players who for various reasons didn’t back it up for Origin
        In 2009 there was no winner again (see 2007)
        In 2010 the Dragons won – and the NSW side got stronger the following year as a result
        in 2011 the Manly side won with a couple of NSW players, a couple of Kiwi’s and one very important Queenslander.

        However I will concede your point that it is possible to win the Origin for NSW in the past 6 years – but for various reasons we didn’t.

        Another way to look at it is to take note of the Kangaroos Squad. When the National Side has a 1,6,7 and 9 all from the Queensland side – not to mention Inglis, Hodges, Yow Yeh, Thaiday, Petro etc etc…

        says a lot doesn’t it?

        • April 13th 2012 @ 10:10am
          BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          On your last point, sure it’s a good team not denying that. But it’s just a bit of a copout, that’s all. I was including the runners up in those years in my thinking too. The Saints came second in few of those recent years with NSW players, so NSW definitely had the players to be competitive. It’s just that the melbourne storm are a bunch of cheating so and sos.

          Would it undermine my argument too much to comment that I’m glad origin doesn’t have a salary cap?

          By the way…who’s the very important Qlder who plays for Manly? I can’t stand that team so I don’t really watch them.

          • April 13th 2012 @ 10:18am
            League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:18am | ! Report

            Dally Cherry-Evans is their half back. And yes I can’t stand them either. It is only begrudgingly that I’ve support the idea of the Stewart brothers making the NSW side. They epitomise everything I hate about Manly ๐Ÿ™‚

            BTW… GF’s in those years were:

            2005 – Tigers v Cowboys
            2006 – Bronco’s v Storm
            2007 – Storm v Manly
            2008 – Manly v Storm
            2009 – Storm v Eels
            2010 – Dragons vs Roosters
            2011 – Manly v Warriors
            2012 – Souths v Warriors (i wish!)

            • April 13th 2012 @ 10:25am
              BennO said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:25am | ! Report

              Ah yes, sorry was looking at the minor premiership column on the wiki page for the dragons. Couple of minor premierships is all.

              Cherry-Evans is a cane toad eh? Well that’s good news isn’t it!? Shame he plays for Manly…poor fella.

              • April 13th 2012 @ 11:10am
                PLANKO said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:10am | ! Report

                If it is such bad club why do players stay until they get shown the door !

              • April 13th 2012 @ 11:50am
                League_coach101 said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:50am | ! Report

                It’s hard to leave a cult too – doesn’t make it right. ๐Ÿ™‚

              • April 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm
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            • April 13th 2012 @ 11:48am
              Andy said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:48am | ! Report

              Alot of people say they hate manly and nsw but with the brain love and hate is a thin line. Personally i do not care for other clubs just as long as the players selected are able to beat QLD.

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