Football hooligans? Here we go again

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    So the Western Sydney Wanderers wanted an authentic, European-style home end? Good luck with that. Thanks to the actions of a select few, the A-League’s ‘newest, oldest club’ has just taken 20 steps in the wrong direction.

    It was meant to be a good news day – another step forward for the team that Australian football is pinning its hopes on.

    The unveiling of two new Croatian imports, the 132nd anniversary of the game that inspired the name, the original Wanderers versus King’s School.

    Instead, some deluded thugs have spilled blood, caused unnecessary trouble and muddied the image of the sport they claim as a religion.

    Now come the inevitable and oh so predictable cries that football – or soccer, because you know that’s what it gets called at times like these – is dirty, dangerous and filled to the brim with drunken, violent hooligans.

    Of course, that’s not true. But that’s how it looks now. And a new batch of morons have kindly handed the sections of the media that don’t give a damn about the world game some more ammunition.

    The full details of what happened off the pitch at Tuesday night’s pre-season friendly between Sydney FC and Macarthur are yet to emerge.

    But quite frankly, they are irrelevant.

    It doesn’t matter who threw the first punch, or the first flare, or who finished the fight, or who threw a bin or a rock or whatever, in whichever direction.

    What matters is that a man and a child have been needlessly hurt at a game of football, and that is completely unacceptable.

    This is not 1980s England. We’re talking about a school night in south-west Sydney, and a rivalry that does not yet exist between one club that is less than 10 years old and another that is only here because of government funding and circumstance.

    We’re talking about a game that Wanderers fans had no business even attending.

    We’re talking about two teams from a competition that is struggling to keep its head above water – one with much, much more important issues than this.

    And – of course – we’re talking about another incident that has given a whole bunch of fence-sitting fans a new reason why they shouldn’t sign up for an inaugural Western Sydney membership.

    Nice work.

    The A-League needs a strong Sydney derby with boisterous fans, witty chants and an electric atmosphere. Active support is football’s point of difference from the other codes.

    But it will now be more difficult than ever for that to happen, because now the actions of fools on Tuesday night have guaranteed attention from over-zealous security officers who do not understand football.

    Ask Melbourne Victory fans about their experiences with Hatamoto. It’s your turn now, Sydney.

    Since day one, there have been calls for supporters groups to start policing themselves – and granted, some clubs like Sydney FC do it well – but elsewhere it rarely happens.

    Why? Because they maintain a code of silence, as if they are part of some kind of demented childish mafia. Nobody wants to dob on their friends, so nobody does. And so the mischief continues.

    These troublemakers have no place in society, let alone football.

    The clubs and FFA, after another round of bad press, have no choice but to come down hard and weed out the rogue elements however possible, before more damage is done.

    However, it is the fans who need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves this question – do I want my sport to thrive, or is it more important that I play out my Green Street fantasies at the expense of everyone else?

    The only way this will end is if it is stamped out from within. Otherwise, football will be forever chasing its tail.

    For the record, Sydney beat Macarthur 3-1 and apparently showed some good signs for the season ahead. Some would do well to remember that is why we’re all here.

    Vince Rugari
    Vince Rugari

    Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard of the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. A Port Adelaide fan by birth, he now is a sports reporter for Australian Associate Press

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    • August 15th 2012 @ 12:54am
      Midfielder said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:54am | ! Report

      Excellent article … will add more latter … but some guys… just give em a life ban …

      • August 15th 2012 @ 7:54am
        Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:54am | ! Report

        quick action to ID the culprits and afew Life bans is the only way for football to salvage even 1% of positive from this disgraceful event:(

      • August 15th 2012 @ 6:41pm
        Vic said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

        There is a campaign to rubbish soccer. It actually sells papers on slow news days.

        Don’t worry, any news is good publicity according to the most successful and biggest sporting league on the planet.

        Burn those flares baby! Burn those grandstands!

        • August 16th 2012 @ 8:21am
          Kasey said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:21am | ! Report

          Don’t worry, any news is good publicity according to the most successful and biggest sporting league on the planet.

          Not sure what America’s NFL has to do with this, but even in America their late night comedians make Soccer-hooligan jokes, its a well-trodden hackneyed stereotype that I fear the sport will never fully distance itself from:(

    • August 15th 2012 @ 2:13am
      nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:13am | ! Report

      What an overblown story this one is …some anti social behaviour absolutely, punish it for what it is …assaults among a few randoms. But the way its constructed as a ‘soccer hooligan’ story, its almost self fulfilling, the controversy.

      In reality the events are no different to what happens on your average saturday night in the main street. All bad …but the problem among football crowds is that the media buys into the whole hooligan thing, and round and round it goes. Soft controversy in reality…

      The flares thing is a whole separate deal …as long as no idiot throws them toward or at people, they’re fine. Flares are safer than they are made out to be. The risk with flares is mostly based on media reaction, aside from morons who throw them.

      Flares are a part of football some people like. They will be part of the support of some active groups, better to tolerate it and not build it up into some soccer hool shock story … So whenever some dipsh#t wants to kick some off other than football, treat it for what it is, random acts of stupidity…

      • August 15th 2012 @ 5:59am
        Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:59am | ! Report

        Sometimes I wonder why God made me a football fan:( In this country its always 1 step forward, 2 back. A couple of morons take the undeniable football good news story of the year(WSW) and almost single handedly ruin it. Sydney-siders with access to the Terrorgraph: is this back page ‘sport’ lead? or worse Front page lead There goes any chance WSW had of generating sell-outs for games that aren’t the derby. Perception is 9/10ths of reality in today’s saturated 24hr media cycle. Do not underestimate the further damage this will do to our game:(

        • August 15th 2012 @ 6:39am
          NY said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:39am | ! Report

          What can you do? A couple of 16 year old act stupidly and the media jumps on it. I guess this means we are all evil and nasty people.

          • August 15th 2012 @ 6:50am
            Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:50am | ! Report

            What can you do?
            There’s a whole article on the roar offering tips to the FFA, but of course we all know it doesn’t matter. The Sockah haters get their wet dream once again of being able to put “Soccer” and “Hooligans” in the same headline. Joe and Jill average who might have been considering taking in the odd WSW game live will now think twice. We will never be rid of this stigma while some idiots continue to think this is the way you are supposed to support football cos they’ve seen it in Movies. I feel sick, I half expected this from the Melbourne Derby 3 years ago, but why would you go to a football game your team isn’t playing in but your supposed hated(3 months of hate) rivals are playing. Hope you RBB boys enjoy being watched, welcome to Hatamoto territory. I hope the instigators of last night are found and then named and shamed with lifetime football bans. That would help take away the sick feeling in my stomach I reckon.

            • August 15th 2012 @ 11:13pm
              Jack Russell said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:13pm | ! Report

              LOL, the paranoia brigade is out again.

              Never mind in Perth this week there’s been more media in respect of poor crowd behaviour for the AFL than every media article on soccer crowds combined in the last 10 years in this country.

              But carry on. Yeah, it’s a conspiracy.

          • December 20th 2013 @ 10:25am
            Peter said | December 20th 2013 @ 10:25am | ! Report

            All I’m saying us that instead if u guys focusing on the football you focus on a minor issues between two firms get your priorities right the football is the important issue not the hooliganisms

        • August 15th 2012 @ 8:39am
          nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 8:39am | ! Report

          Perceptions is all it is…. Absolutely right Kasey ….the reaction to the incident ….as always with the soccer hool shock yarn, is always disproportionate to What Actually Happened. You’ll see worse at your average mass gathering of humanoids in any city on any weekend …..including among the alcohol fuelled crowds of other sports, but of course that wont be dressed up as some threat to pristine strayan culture 😉

          • August 15th 2012 @ 11:30am
            Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:30am | ! Report


            You stupid, stupid little man.

            A six year old got sent to hospital, after being hit in the head by a rock.

            And here you are *justifying* it as “assaults among a few randoms”.

            Heres news. They may not have been randoms. They might have been the cheer squad.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2012 @ 11:36am
              Fussball ist unser leben said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:36am | ! Report

              Ian Whitchurch

              No kid was taken to hospital – you’re either intentionally lying or misinformed.

              We don’t have cheer squads in football, but thanks for the video. Terrific to see an organised group of fans, attending a practice match … can’t wait to make the trip to Parramatta Stadium on 24 November.

              Should be lots of “colour & movement” when the BWB say “hello” to the RBB!

              • August 15th 2012 @ 11:58am
                Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                Fussball, theres this thing called “reality”, which is different from “facts Fussball likes”.

                The Red and Black Bloc Active Area is a reserved seat area designed for active supporters who are extra passionate and vocal in support of the Wanderers. By purchasing tickets into this area you may be required to participate in active supporter activities. Fans in the Red and Black Bloc Active area are likely to stand for the duration of the match.


                The RBB are a cheer squad, and recognised as such by the club.

                You can play “lets pretend”, but the club owns their behaviour.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 12:06pm
                Australian Rules said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                You mean that 6 y.o wasn’t even taken to hospital..??!!!

                My, what a beat up! Carry on then.

            • August 15th 2012 @ 6:53pm
              nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:53pm | ! Report

              Uhuh yeah Ian i have an issue with six year olds getting knocked on the head by rocks, who doesnt. The facts are that random stupidity like this happens at all sorts of major events. In football its suddenly interpreted as more than it is. The folks in that video from RBB are having a good time, kicking off for an enjoyable night. Stop trying to connect them to the act of some random fool….

              • August 15th 2012 @ 7:34pm
                Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:34pm | ! Report


                If it gets done by members of your cheer squad, at a game your team isnt playing in, then the club has an issue.

                My bet is the perpetrators will be at minimum known to the RBB … which will make banning them easier (it already appears someone tiopped Cockerill off who they are).

                I’d also be interested in reading the thread that triggered this non-denial denial from the operator of a site that now appears to be locked down.

                “This site is not owned, run or administered by the RBB core active support members. As the sole owner I do not condone violence in any way at all. I strongly disagree with any attempt to paint this website as the reason behind any violence and disagree completely with any suggestion that a thread on this site incited the violence or that myself as the owner tolerate violence on my forum. ”


                But as it is, the clubs involved are doing the right things. Identify the perpetrators, and then smack them with bans, regardless of what actions the police take.

        • August 15th 2012 @ 5:12pm
          Rob said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

          You are a clown Kasey!

          Have you even considered the possibility that the culprits were hired thugs sent in by rival sports and their commercial media partners in order to cause as much negative publicity as possible for Football?

          • August 15th 2012 @ 5:19pm
            Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

            contrast this morning with the way the media reacted to the ‘hooligans running riot at Canterbury games a couple of years back Rob.

            They were “Canterbury’s Hooligan problem”, Never: “Rugby League’s problem.”
            This morning’s headlines all scream quite explicitly that its “Soccer’s hooligan problem” to deal with here, if you can’t see how grossly unfair that is to the sport of football, the FFA and WSW, then YOU need your head read mate not me.

          • August 15th 2012 @ 5:28pm
            Philip said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

            Rob, you must be joking – hired thugs of rival sports and their commercial partners!!!! Please get out from under your tin foil conspiracy theorist hat!

            Seems from Cockerill’s piece that the culprits are well known … “The background to the blue seems to be this. A small faction of former Sydney FC fans, previously dubbed Sin City Crew, have been trying to ingratiate themselves within the Red and Black Block (RBB) – the supporters’ group for the A-League’s newest team, Western Sydney Wanderers … They saw the visit of their former club into the western suburbs as an opportunity to stake their territory. The RBB warned them off, but they went anyway … They’re not clever, they’re idiots.”


            • August 16th 2012 @ 7:37pm
              Steve said | August 16th 2012 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

              No, no, Rob is right: Russell Crowe is stroking a white cat on his lap as we speak, planning the next anti-soccer beat up from his underground volcano headquarters; don’t forget how the Murdoch empire acquired English newspapers in the early 80’s then started football hooliganism to increase sales, and further the nefarious goal of besmirching the one true football.

      • August 15th 2012 @ 8:44am
        Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | August 15th 2012 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        You cant be serious Nordster,a six year old was caught up in this,Wanderers fans went out of their way to attend a Sydney FC game and cause trouble and they were planning to do so on one of their forum.Just heard the morons responsible have been identified and will be banned from going anywhere near a Wanderers game,absolute morons.

        • August 15th 2012 @ 9:29am
          Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:29am | ! Report

          Brick re: your last sentence…That would be awesome news, do you have a source?

          • August 15th 2012 @ 10:17am
            Kasey said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:17am | ! Report

            Does anybody have an update on the 6 year old kid?

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              August 15th 2012 @ 11:11am
              Fussball ist unser leben said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:11am | ! Report

              Yup – nothing happened to any kid. Typical nonsense reported by those with an anti-football agenda.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 11:20am
                whiskeymac said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:20am | ! Report

                truly? it was reported in the SMH by Cockerill (certainly not anti football and very pro SFC and WSW) the kid was hit by a rock at half time waiting to go onto the field?

              • August 15th 2012 @ 5:06pm
                pete4 said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

                whiskeymac – I thought Cockerill was spot on here:

                “What’s a “scuffle” in another sport – let’s say cricket – is routinely a “riot” in football. Always has been, always will be”

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2012 @ 11:44am
              mds1970 said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:44am | ! Report


              His name is Maximillian Demain. He’s recovering at home. He’ll be OK, but understandably he’s upset.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 4:00pm
                Australian Rules said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

                Here’s the quote from the parents of the 6 y.o:

                Kylie Demain and her husband Paul were in the stand at Macarthur Stadium in Sydney’s Campbelltown, waiting to watch their youngest son Max run onto the field for a half-time exhibition game.
                When little Max failed to appear, Kylie and Paul frantically began looking for their child, before they saw him being carried away by his coach who was screaming “He’s been hit, he’s been hit”.

                “I looked at him, and he’s got this huge lump on his head,” an angry Mrs Demain said.

                A devastated Max, who had been “excited for weeks” to play for the half-time entertainment, was treated by paramedics, before his disappointed parents took him home.

                “It is Max’s second season of soccer, and he is now so scared to play again.”

                “I hope they do catch these idiots and ban them not for one season, but for life,” she said.

                “I have been to many NRL football games…I have never seen anything like this at any of those games.”

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2012 @ 4:30pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:30pm | ! Report

                Very sad to hear that happened to the young lad.

                Only 2 weeks ago, I was shocked to read this …

                “He came home and was very upset when he told me. The sad thing about it is he said, ‘Look, I don’t think I want to go and watch another match’, and all that he wanted to do was watch his favourite player, which is Ivan Maric for Richmond, and now that’s spoiled”

                Dina Stephens after her 12 year old son, Marcus, was assaulted by an unidentified male adult at the Richmond v Carlton AFL match.

                Terrible stuff .. hope the lad is now ok & MVFC should get him to come to the Derby.

              • August 22nd 2012 @ 11:22am
                micka said | August 22nd 2012 @ 11:22am | ! Report


                Your last response is very different to this…
                “Yup – nothing happened to any kid. Typical nonsense reported by those with an anti-football agenda.”
                Develop some integrity mate, you have absolutely none!

                So you went from denying it happened at all to pointing out an incident at an AFL match that was completely transparently reported in all media and UNIVERSALLY decried as abhorrent by the AFL community.

                Im a Carlton member and I was DISGUSTED.

          • August 15th 2012 @ 2:55pm
            Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

            I saw it on Fox Sports news before i went to work.

            • August 15th 2012 @ 3:22pm
              Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

              Well apparently now they are still after them,Lyall Gorman saying they will “obliterate”them from the game.

        • August 15th 2012 @ 6:55pm
          nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

          Some of them went to the game for some banter and maybe to support the Rams eh 🙂

          Attempts to attach all of RBB to the act of some rock throwing, child injurer are a long, long bow. Dont believe the hype!

      • August 15th 2012 @ 9:05am
        Ek said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:05am | ! Report

        Flares are never ok. Nor are smoke bombs or any other kind of pyrotechnic – no matter where they’re thrown.

        Have you ever had to hold the hand of someone whose clothing has been set alight by some grub chucking a flare, waiting for the paramedics to arrive as you watch their skin blister and peel? Have you ever witnessed someone keel over because the fumes have sparked off an asthma attack? I have, and I never want to see it again.

        How about the stampede after a flare has set the seats alight? Fans needing to be resuscitated because they’ve inhaled a heap of toxic fumes from the burning seats? Is this just “part of the experience”?

        They’re not harmless expressions of fun and exuberance. They have a real use, and it is far, far away from a football pitch.

        • August 15th 2012 @ 9:43am
          nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:43am | ! Report

          If they are able to be used more openly there is little issue. Problem now there is not the option to do so. They get thrown or dropped near plastic seats either because some violent individual throws them, or someone worried bout being caught drops one. Thats standard practice with flares …dont get caught holding it, which just elevates the threat. As for the hordes of asthmatics keeling over at the very sniff of smoke, thats a major exaggeration …the stuff coming out of the back of the bus that got u there will probably do worse to your respiratory system! Perhaps there are safer low toxic versions out there they could use if the practice was more open and monitored.

          • August 15th 2012 @ 11:38am
            Football United said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:38am | ! Report

            This, by cracking down they become more dangerous. People will light them and then drop or throw them so they don’t get caught rather than hold them an arms length away from everyone as supporters in Europe and South america do. Maybe something could be tried, if the active supporters want it, where the club could hire pyrotechnic experts to safely set off such things in a more controlled fashion.

            • August 15th 2012 @ 11:50am
              Titus said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:50am | ! Report

              Well, the problem is these knobs didn’t drop it, they threw it at the SFC fans. The issue here is just how far out of their way these idiots went to cause trouble. How can a club or the FFA work with and trust people who are so plainly stupid? To be honest, I am glad the SFC fans put them on their backsides.

              You really don’t need to try so hard to go looking for trouble, if anything you try and avoid it and look out for your mates.

              I am not a wuss, or scared of the violence, I just don’t want these morons ruining it for everyone else.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 3:03pm
                Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

                At the end of the day bringing flares into a stadium is illegal,now your intentions can be non threatening and having a bit of fun but the police and security don’t see it that way.What will happen is police and security will charge into the supporters and apprehend anyone near the flare,before you know it punches are being thrown and violence ensues,so flares just bring trouble in stadiums in our country,not worth it.

            • August 15th 2012 @ 11:51am
              Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:51am | ! Report

              I have a better idea.

              Routinely film the stadium. See which fans let them off.

              Deduct a competition point per flare.

              Ultras are bad, mkay ?

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2012 @ 1:59pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

                Yes, that’s why modern sporting stadiums have CCTV. This was a NSWPL ground, so it’s unlikely to have CCTV

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2012 @ 2:15pm
                mds1970 said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

                It’s also an NRL venue, so it just might have CCTV. We can only hope it does, so the idiots responsible can be weeded out.

    • August 15th 2012 @ 5:46am
      Football United said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:46am | ! Report

      sorry sydney whatever happened, whatever the details, you are now going to have an absolute s**t one with the Hatamoto and the seccos in your active sections this season. MVFC went through this stage two seasons ago and i can give you an idea of what you can expect now that you have truly cocked this up.

      Armed Riot police lining the aisles outside the active area watching your every move.

      Restriction on tifos, banners and flags. Most will be confiscated if brought in from outside.

      Minor things such as swearing, standing on seats, standing in the aisle’s, even over enthusiastic celebration of goals will be a sign for the police to charge into the middle of the bay, and start cracking skulls of anyone who argues with eviction.

      Hatamoto to not only film you, but go undercover in the terraces and then all of a sudden pull out some obscure photograph evidence of you and say ‘You’re banned for five years’

      I hope for sydney football fans that some serious goodwill and progress can be made out of this lest genuine football fans are dragged back to the dark ages again. i can speak for every MVFC fan that the end of the 2010/2011 season was dead set miserable as a supporter and that no one wants to go back to then.

      • August 15th 2012 @ 6:59pm
        nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

        Yes the danger is when the fun police crack down …secos and police love this stuff as it means more nice neat riot gear they can apply for funding for. The media hype just plays into it.

        It’ll destroy active support and the atmosphere that goes with it if the clubs and league overreact…

    • August 15th 2012 @ 6:45am
      Cpaaa said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:45am | ! Report

      Woke up this morning and read 442 version of events

      “Sydney FC CEO Tony Pignata has promised to ban any of his club’s supporters who played a part in the trouble”

      Well as an SFC supporter i do not accept your resignation, Tony, for i think this was an honest mistake on your behalf. You are the CEO of the most important club on the east side of Sydney. So WTF are you doing playing games in west sydney ???
      Last year was fine, but this is no longer your turf, and i am sure that you have learned from your mistake and will never do it again. Its easy to point the finger at someone else and BS to say ” we will come down hard on anyone found to be involved, regardless of who provoked who”.
      Tony you started it ! and just FYI , Football supporters are not cheer girls that simply follow routines and cheer Yaehh.

      “Football supporters are passionate” is a term we often hear, so i copied and pasted the oxford dictionary of the meaning below, have a read Tony.

      Definition of passion
      • 1 [mass noun] strong and barely controllable emotion:a man of impetuous passion
      • [in singular] a state or outburst of strong emotion:oratory in which he gradually works himself up into a passion

      Definition of passionate
      • having, showing, or caused by strong feelings or beliefs:passionate pleas for help
      he’s passionate about football
      • arising from intense feelings of sexual love:a passionate kiss

      Funny how Oxford used Football to express passionate.
      We gotta take the crunchy with the smooth Tony, and its your job to minimize the crunchy bits

      • August 15th 2012 @ 7:01am
        NY said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:01am | ! Report

        Well they plan on playing Marconi at Bossley Park as well. That’s the football heartland where a lot of Wanderers support comes from. But really they should be able to play trials anywhere they like. Still I kind of agree that they should stick to East Sydney. I wouldn’t ever go watch them play a trial. That’s for sure.

        • August 15th 2012 @ 7:43am
          Cpaaa said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:43am | ! Report

          NY thanks for the update

          but im sure ive made my views clear on SFC matches. Playing at Bossley Park is totally West and if they want more of the same attention then may they go ahead.

          SFC V WSW will be a genuine rivalry and not just some fabricated sports commentators wet dream.
          SFC like any club are always in a recruiting drive, and by playing out there your trying to recruit another clubs stock, so to speak. Its been SFC problem for years. They cast their net wide but never close,
          SFC – Stay away from WS!,

          • August 15th 2012 @ 8:39am
            Lux said | August 15th 2012 @ 8:39am | ! Report

            I’m heartened to hear that we now have a genuine rivalry in place, where the spilling of blood is warranted, and where the hospitalisation of a six year old child, hit in the head from a rock thrown by a passionate soccer hooligan is deemed acceptable behaviour.

            Better this than some manufactured white bread rivalry.

            This one is real – with one of the clubs barely in existence!

            A club created, owned and run by the FFA – but it’s real!!

            • August 15th 2012 @ 9:24am
              Cpaaa said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:24am | ! Report

              Lux, No one said it is acceptable !

              But you read into it as much as you like and describe it however you want.
              “blood is warranted” “hospitalisation of a six year old”, come on mate you make it sound like were living a civil war

              Being a practice match i assume that entry was free and you could sit where ever you like. So if i was the father of a six year old and at the first hint of trouble anywhere i wouldnt be hanging around to see how it unfolds. This is unfortunate BUT the same father wouldnt take his girl to the mosh pit of a rockconcert
              (no pun). Football fans are loud, sing ,dance and chant. They are in voice behind the goals, and if anything happens at a football game its going to happen at these ends.
              The best seats in the house are in the middle, family seating, no mosh pit. Thats responsible parenting.
              What im saying is that if some rebel RBB crew are drawing lines in the sand then the FFA, SFC should be aware of it, avoid it and be prepared for anything goes come round 3 of the A-League.
              There is no more need for Sydney FC to be playing anymore warm up matches out WS way.
              Instead of pointing the finger and hooligans or football culture…what have we learnt and what is the solution? i dont think its as simple as saying rival clubs can play where they want. That is naive, that is trouble and that is back page news paper stuff for all the wrong reasons.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 9:42am
                Titus said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:42am | ! Report

                Turn it up Cpaa–There is no need for the RBB to be at a game they aren’t involved in, it isn’t a rebel group, they were actively recruited and organised on the WSW forum.

                There are plenty of SFC fans from out west, myself included and they have the right to choose who they support not be held captive like it is some sort of gang turf war.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 10:11am
                nordster said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:11am | ! Report

                Well said cpaaa …unfortunately learning and solutions will be secondary to the kneejerk, PR fed overkill reaction. Active ends have there place, they are cordoned off and separated for a reason. Key is to have enough leadership and level heads to ensure it stays this side of stupidity. That being said, any place where crowds, atmosphere and yes ‘social lubricants’ come together there can be isolated trouble.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 10:49am
                Philip said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:49am | ! Report

                Cpaaa and nordster, neither of you is describing football passion, your describing gang warfare where people arent allowed to go into another persons supposed “territory” lest there be repercussions. Aust is a free country, we dont have gang ghettos and no go zones. SFC can play were they like, their fans can go where they like to support their club. Violence has no place in Aust society and certainly not at a sporting event.

                Chant, sing, dance, shout, make a noise all you like to support your club but the minute you start throwing punches (or rocks or whatever) you have changed from a passionate for sport into a passion for mindless violence and that should always be condemned.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 5:23pm
                Rob said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

                Noone knows if they were even Football fans!

                Probably hired trouble makers from News Ltd!

              • August 15th 2012 @ 5:30pm
                Titus said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

                Rob, they were just kids who had watched too many football factory video’s. Lets just leave it at that and hope that they are weeded out and the two teams can develop a friendly rivalry on the field……..the good thing is that SFC look a lot more tidy and entertaining than they have in the past.

                The new recruits and youngsters all looked good and with players like Emmo and Bosschaart to come in(and possibly another big signing) things are looking pretty good for the season.

              • August 15th 2012 @ 7:45pm
                NY said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:45pm | ! Report

                LOL at the rebel group being actively recruited and organised on the WSW forum Titus. What a load of rubbish. No one still has any idea who the people are who did this.

              • August 16th 2012 @ 9:33pm
                Titus said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:33pm | ! Report

                forget about it.

      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2012 @ 8:25am
        mds1970 said | August 15th 2012 @ 8:25am | ! Report

        Sydney FC playing trial games in the western suburbs doesn’t justify any of what went down last night. It’s no excuse.

        Other teams play trial games out of their area. The Mariners play trials within the Sydney metro area, and they go without incident.
        The Swans played trial games at Rouse Hill and Blacktown during the pre-season this year, and there weren’t Giants fans there ripping flares and throwing rocks at children.

      • August 15th 2012 @ 1:34pm
        Melange said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

        Yes Tony, if you dare to send SFC play anywhere but on your turf, then the supporters of the club whose turf your are desecrating we are rightly bound, as passionate fans, to throw flares and rocks. It’s CEO 101!

        Oh, but then it’s slightly unlikely we could have away fixtures could we? Or other clubs come and play on our turf? Or a successful football league? I guess we could watch our 1sts play the reserves each week. EXCELLENT!

      • August 15th 2012 @ 2:23pm
        gawa said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:23pm | ! Report

        I see that WSW are playing in Brisbane in a few weeks against local club Wolves.
        By the same logic they are not welcome up here. Pure nonsense of course, as a football fan I’ll make the hours drive just to see some history made and get an idea of their style of play.

    • August 15th 2012 @ 6:54am
      gaes said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:54am | ! Report

      Lifetime bans for all in the so called WSW supporters group who attended is the clear and simple way to send a message.
      I don’t want these scumbags to be anywhere near my A League.
      This is something that WSW and the FFA need to act on today with a statement then back up with action asap once those involved are identified.
      Let’s hope FFA are up to the task and don’t let us all down.

      • August 15th 2012 @ 10:50am
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      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2012 @ 12:45pm
        Peter Wilson said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

        Were they WSW supporters?

        Have the troublemakers been identified yet?

        • August 15th 2012 @ 5:25pm
          Rob said | August 15th 2012 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

          The voice of reason – anybody else listening?

    • Roar Guru

      August 15th 2012 @ 7:56am
      Ben of Phnom Penh said | August 15th 2012 @ 7:56am | ! Report

      The primary thing in these incidents is to act swiftly and for the football community to register its non-acceptance of such behaviour. More considered thought then has room to occur.

      These bloody muppets are in every sport, sadly, as they are a product of society, not sport. Our challenge is to make football an environment where they struggle to express their muppetry.

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