Australia humiliated in Hobart, South Africa seal the series

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    Australia’s under-siege Test side are at risk of hitting an unprecedented low, having handed South Africa a series victory with yet another crippling batting collapse in Hobart.

    Australia’s dependence on Steve Smith was laid bare for the second time in the second Test at Bellerive, where the Proteas completed an innings-and-80-run win before lunch on day four – the home side’s fifth straight Test defeat.

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    South Africa claimed an unassailable 2-0 lead in the series on Tuesday, rolling Australia for 161 at 11.53 AEDT to mark their third consecutive Test series win in Australia.

    Further ignominy for Smith could come under lights at Adelaide Oval. Never before in the history of the sport has Australia been whitewashed in a Test series on home soil.

    Based on how the pink ball hooped around in Adelaide last year, there’s likely to be a result in the final Test that starts next Thursday.

    The hosts tumbled towards a fifth straight Test loss during a collapse of 8-32 in 19.2 overs, with Kyle Abbott snaring six wickets and Kagiso Rabada striking four times in the stunning session.

    It was the latest of many woeful batting performances in recent years that has left coach Darren Lehmann, selectors and Cricket Australia boss James Sutherland under immense pressure.

    Selectors are expected to settle on a squad for the third Test later this week but changes are fully expected, with Adam Voges likely to be dropped.

    Smith dug in, taking 40 minutes to score his first runs on day four, but would have been struck with a sense of deja vu as he watched Australia slip from 2-129 to 7-150.

    The skipper was eventually caught behind on 31. Rain offered more resistance than Australia’s batsmen, with the entire second day abandoned without a ball being bowled.

    Smith had finished 48 not out on day one, when Australia posted a paltry total of 85 after being sent in by Faf du Plessis.

    It was the nation’s lowest Test total on home soil since 1984.

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    • November 15th 2016 @ 12:28pm
      Dreadly said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

      Have to back to the dark days of the Kim Hughes captaincy era to recall such a pathetic Aussie side. These guys really are weak.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 1:25pm
        Matthew H said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

        Any common denominators? Rod Marsh maybe?

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:29pm
          JohnB said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

          No, he’d gone by then (just)

          • November 15th 2016 @ 2:07pm
            Adrian said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

            He’d gone by then, but not before, along with DK, subjecting Hughes to as just about as much mental torment as the Windies did.

        • Roar Guru

          November 15th 2016 @ 1:47pm
          The Bush said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

          Rod Marsh has his faults, but none of them include being weak.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 2:36pm
            Matthew H said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

            In the 3 tests Aus played in Pakistan in 1982 (1982! when Pakistan were hardly a force to be reckoned with) Marsh added 72 runs at 12 for the entire series in which Aus were beaten 0-3. The Aus team posted scores of over 300 in 2/3 tests and a 284 total in the other. Whenever they were in trouble Marsh could certainly be relied on ie 6/123 chasing 501 Pak 1st innings, good old tough as teak Marsh put on 0 in 5 balls. Passenger every day of the week. I don’t think Marsh ever scored a century (he got 3 in 150 innings) in a total of less than 400. Nothing but a slogger and bully who couldn’t handle things when they got hot.

        • Roar Pro

          November 15th 2016 @ 2:24pm
          Peter Zitterschlager said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          Matthew H, are you the Matthew H? If so, we’d need ya!

          • November 15th 2016 @ 2:37pm
            Matthew H said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

            No mate, I’m not the real Matthew H’s bootlace.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 1:28pm
        JohnB said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

        At least then they had the excuses of having lost players to rebel tours and facing an all-time great opponent. SA were very very good mind you.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 2:35pm
        michael steel said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

        This is worse than Graham Yallop’s side. The best 20 Australian cricketers were playing WSC and Yallop had the third lot. But his third lot were better than these.

    • Roar Guru

      November 15th 2016 @ 12:45pm
      Will Sinclair said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

      Absolutely pathetic.

      Beaten by an innings in less than two days and one session…

      That’s inept.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 12:50pm
        Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

        We lost a wicket every 28 balls

      • Roar Guru

        November 15th 2016 @ 7:14pm
        Amritangshu Bandyopadhyay said | November 15th 2016 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

        Sometimes you are made to look absolutely pathetic by a quality opposition

    • November 15th 2016 @ 12:48pm
      jamesb said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

      James Sutherland has to go. If the Sheffield Shield is not producing quality cricketers, particularly around the batting, then something is wrong with the system as far as coaching and development is concerned.

      Sutherland is thinking more about generating revenue in the form of the Big Bash or day/night test cricket instead of getting the right coaching structures in place for our kids to develop.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 12:52pm
        Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

        Why has this guys position never been questioned??

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm
          jamesb said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          I have no idea why he is never been questioned or scrutinized. He is the boss of Australian cricket and somehow he is always under the radar. Captains, coaches and players have come and gone, but Sutherland still remains.

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 1:51pm
            The Bush said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

            Fifteen years he’s been in charge. That’s a long time in charge, even when compared to other high profile CEOs such as Demetriou (11 years), Gallop (10 years) and JON (9 years).

            I am intrigued though to understand what exactly the CEO’s role is with respect to things like the Test Side and the Sheffield Shield. If his job is to ensure that Cricket Australia is in a good financial position, then he’s been very successful in his role.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 3:04pm
            spruce moose said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

            Why?

            Simple. He’s a CEO in charge of a business and a sport at large, not the performance of a single team.

            As a businessman he’s presided over year after year of financial growth.

            Accountability for the performance of the test team actually lies with people under him.

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 3:18pm
            Rellum said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:18pm | ! Report

            People are far too quick to look at basic/simplistic solutions, swap this player for that and she will be right. Sack the coach and all will be good.

            Sutherland has overseen the general decline of the sport over the last 15 years and has been the one who has overseen the changes to the youth development pathways, changes to the importance of the shield and the elevation of the national side above all else. I believe he even brought in the contract system, but I haven’t bothered to confirm that yet.

            I personally have though the entire system needs a revamp at both Senior, junior and Professional levels.

            • November 15th 2016 @ 4:51pm
              Sydneysider said | November 15th 2016 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

              “Sutherland has overseen the general decline of the sport over the last 15 years and has been the one who has overseen the changes to the youth development pathways, changes to the importance of the shield and the elevation of the national side above all else. ”

              Maybe it’s the prudent financial decision and that’s why Sutherland has made those decisions as that is where the future of cricket is heading???

              Shield cricket does not make money, it is subsidised by other forms of cricket.

              They’ve got to find the right balance.

              • November 15th 2016 @ 9:40pm
                BrainsTrust said | November 15th 2016 @ 9:40pm | ! Report

                Prudent financial decisions?
                Cricket Australia has doubled its income in real terms.
                They lose money on the Sheffield Shield , it gets no revenue but its not run that expensively.
                They got a big cash injection of new revenue from TV righs for international cricket.
                So by doing nothing they were ahead.
                What they did was introduce another loss making competition by expanding the BIg Bash to 8 teams, They split the Shefffield Shield season and lowered the payments for it,
                So AUstralia from the top of world cricket paid for its own demise.

              • Roar Guru

                November 15th 2016 @ 9:51pm
                Rellum said | November 15th 2016 @ 9:51pm | ! Report

                Sutherland has been a fantastic success if you value corporate success over anything else. If all you value is money.

                Of course in achieving that short term corporate success he has overseen the elevation of the national team to be the only thing that matters. In doing this he has constructed a player development system, well he has employed people that have constructed a down grading of the system of player development system. The thing is we are now seeing that system adversely affecting the one team that he elevated to the position of the only thing that mattered. So in turn that will affect his success at the corporate level.

                Unless of course we are only looking at BBL, then he is doing a great job. And that is a question we really need to have because the way, junior cricket, grade, FC cricket and internationals is set up now does not lead to a strong national team. Nut does it build a strong BBL and does CA want to just focus on that?

          • November 17th 2016 @ 7:01pm
            John Erichsen said | November 17th 2016 @ 7:01pm | ! Report

            Add his personal oversight of Pat Howard’s High Performance position and one needs to question if James is good at anything apart from bean-counting.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:11pm
          Dreadly said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

          He was interviewed/questioned on ABC Grandstand on the weekend (Sunday i think). Very unconvincing to say the least, especially as to why the players had a single Shield game for preparation.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 1:50pm
            Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

            I have a mate who used to work for CA and said they often didn’t even have a pen in the office. Rabble

        • November 15th 2016 @ 3:03pm
          jameswm said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

          It’s constantly questioned by me. Teflon Sutherland.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 1:01pm
        Christo the Daddyo said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

        Why blame the CEO for the poor performance of the batsmen?

        Shouldn’t you blaming the coach, the high performance manager and the players first?

        • Roar Guru

          November 15th 2016 @ 1:04pm
          Will Sinclair said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

          Given there is so little talent coming through the system, surely we have to question the priorities of the CEO, and the structures established to identify and nurture playing talent?

          These are firmly within the remit of the CEO.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 3:05pm
            spruce moose said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

            They firmly are not.

            $$$ is all the CEO’s remit is.

            • November 15th 2016 @ 7:33pm
              Mark said | November 15th 2016 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

              Crowds will dwindle if this rubbish keeps getting served that. Therefore it actually is.

            • November 16th 2016 @ 11:34am
              Bakkies said | November 16th 2016 @ 11:34am | ! Report

              The buck starts at the top and Sutherland signs off on all of these pathways that are supposed to be in place help develop and prepare test cricketers.

              Agreeing to one day series in places like India and South Africa is no preparation for a domestic test season.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:05pm
          jamesb said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

          Ok then

          Why isn’t there depth in the Sheffield Shield in terms of batting?

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:07pm
          Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

          I am blaming the CEO for the poor state of cricket in this country. Not the collapses. Given our record of players being selected at the top level and not being equipped, poor appointments (Howard & the selectors) leading to poor player injury management (our fast bowlers) and scheduling in a manner that doesn’t provide the best chance of performance, I think it is very appropriate to look at Sutherland. He is the common factor in all of the above and all these factors have contributed to what we are now witnessing

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:19pm
          Ches said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

          @Christo the Daddyo the usual procedure after failures like this is start from the bottom wielding the chopping axe, e.g the players. We have tried many players for the same result.Then the coach is next. Then if the players again fail they chop the players or selectors.

          The problem is at the top. Two people specifically (one’s KPI BS) and the general “system” of cricket here. Poor player and coaching performance is a symptom, not the root cause of the disease. Get to the cause and symptoms will slowly disappear.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 1:32pm
            Matthew H said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

            Seems a reflection of the state of the country – government and private enterprise. Big bucks paid to the top people and all the blame and burden placed on those below. The top people obviously ‘believe’ without the evidence of facts (or even worse completely cherry picked ‘facts’). Sorry, but just so sick of it. You are completely right – the CEO should accept some responsibility, but that would be like expecting the government to create jobs, banks to not rob people and big corporations to pay tax.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 2:38pm
          michael steel said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

          When Lehmann took over he was going to put his stamp on this side. He has. They’ve gone from ordinary to pathetic in 3 years and they’ve just re-signed him. This is the first decent side we’ve played at home.

          • November 15th 2016 @ 7:38pm
            Mark said | November 15th 2016 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

            A questionable system but I believe we became number 1 under his tenure.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 2:24pm
        BrainsTrust said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

        The big increase in revenue to Australian cricket has come automatically via increases in foreign and domestic Tv rights.
        Channel 9 I think used to pay about 15 million a year around 2000 and now they pay almost 100 million. Then foreign TV money has increased from near nothing to about 100 million a year as well.
        THe other big increase has been increasing ticket prices to international matches particularly the Ashes.
        The BIg Bash has cost hundreds of millions, not made money. While the Big Bash could make money in the future with the next TV deal, on the other hand outside of India T20 leagues are contracting or becoming defunct, and there are question marks about the IPL.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 2:43pm
        Brasstacks said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

        There was an article the other day about Lehman being the teflon guy. I think James Sutherland is the real teflon guy with a 5 layer no blame sticking coating.

    • November 15th 2016 @ 12:48pm
      Midfielder said | November 15th 2016 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

      All those knifes in Clark’s back …. he was the captain and leader Australian cricket needed but many in crickets establishment saw it differently …

      • Roar Guru

        November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm
        Rob na Champassak said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

        Smith is throwing Clarke’s captaincy into sharp relief. Clarke was imaginative, intuitive, and had a great read of the game. Smith, on the other hand, is totally clueless when it comes to setting fields, and can’t even work out how to use his spin bowler.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:01pm
          Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

          Clarke also had a few cricketers in his side

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 1:09pm
            Magnus M. Østergaard said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

            I think most people stab Clarkes personality not his captaincy

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 1:22pm
            Rob na Champassak said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

            Okay, so Rogers and Haddin would improve this batting lineup.

            But do we really miss Shane Watson that much?

            • Roar Rookie

              November 15th 2016 @ 1:36pm
              josh said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

              yes, no and no.

            • November 15th 2016 @ 1:49pm
              Lancey5times said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

              Clarke had Hussey for a while as well as a faltering Ponting who would be a standout in the current lineup

            • Roar Guru

              November 15th 2016 @ 1:57pm
              The Bush said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

              Haddin was very average with the bat. He had two great Ashes series and very little in between. Anyone that believes Haddin would “stiffen up” a batting line up like this has rocks in their head. He threw his wicket away more than David Warner.

              It’s hard to know who had the better talent at their disposal.

              Clarke certainly had Hussey and a fading Ponting. But he also had a Watson who’s peak period had ended (09-11, Clarke took over after) and was forever destabilising the team, a Haddin whose form was so bad he was dropped for Wade at one point (anyone remember that?), he enjoyed such great selections as Quiney and Doolan.

              One thing that is very noticeable is that Clarke’s team had a long tail. Harris, Johnson and Siddle covered over a lot of batting collapses. As long as one of the top order stuck around, you’d get an extra 100 runs out of the tail. Even Lyon’s batting seems to have gone off since Smith took over (and Starc can’t by a run at the moment).

              • November 15th 2016 @ 3:28pm
                JoM said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

                Haddin probably wouldn’t add to the batting, but it was more about what he added to the team both on and off the field. Very good team man and there seems to be a bit of a lack of that in this team.

              • November 16th 2016 @ 11:38am
                Bakkies said | November 16th 2016 @ 11:38am | ! Report

                Haddin would contribute far more with the bat then Nevill has to date.

            • November 15th 2016 @ 2:59pm
              Pedro the Maroon said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:59pm | ! Report

              I’ll review that.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:06pm
          Midfielder said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

          I believe Clark saw cricket differently to many around him, in how to run programs and team selection and development of players and as Rob posted he was imaginative and intuitive which is what is needed by any organisation to prosper today I found many in cricket wanting to remain in the 70’s and doing many things to take us back there … they need to step aside …

        • November 15th 2016 @ 1:07pm
          Christo the Daddyo said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

          Yeah, because it’s field settings that are the problem with this team…

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 1:19pm
            Rob na Champassak said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

            They’re not, they’re just one more symptom of a Test team in decline.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 2:35pm
          Charlie Turner said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

          Rob I haven’t seen Lyon turn the ball in two years. Ian Chappell would struggle to get any value out of him.

          • Roar Guru

            November 15th 2016 @ 3:53pm
            Rob na Champassak said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

            Well he took 48 wickets at 28 last year, but you’re right, the important thing is how much turn he’s not getting.

      • November 15th 2016 @ 1:05pm
        Pope Paul VII said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

        Clarke was really negative after a loss.

        • November 15th 2016 @ 3:00pm
          Pedro the Maroon said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

          How would he have been after 5 in a row (10 if you count the ODIs)?

          • November 15th 2016 @ 3:22pm
            Pope Paul VII said | November 15th 2016 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

            not as chipper is Smitty

    • November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm
      Mike Dugg said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

      Why the heck isn’t there any shield going on at the moment? Now is the perfect time for a shield match

      • November 15th 2016 @ 1:08pm
        Christo the Daddyo said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

        There are three games on this weekend.

    • November 15th 2016 @ 1:03pm
      Pope Paul VII said | November 15th 2016 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

      This reminds me of the 1978/79 establishment Australians. Except not as good, as they actually won a couple of tests and were better on the subcontinent.

      Anyway what to do?

      Clearly there is top line talent in the batting with Smith, Warner and Khawaja.

      And the bowling has Starc, the Haze and Lyon ( although he seems to have lost his confidence ).

      Probably the major problem is between the ears. Some of those latter dismissals were a bit dur. Got a feeling poor old Burnsy, Voges and Fergo may have got themselves an unwanted middle order record for low scoring in a match.

      Maybe they are too nice. The Saffers are terribly nice as well. Not that I condone that sort of thing but maybe they need to start getting under the skin of the opposition somehow?

      • November 15th 2016 @ 2:43pm
        michael steel said | November 15th 2016 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

        You are right but the 78/79 Establishment players were not the first first 11 . They were the third eleven. There were 22 other better Aussies playing for Australia and the Cavaliers. ( Doug Walters was a Cavalier) Yallops side was like 2 year old horses in open company. This side is not as good. In 78, at least the 43 year old Bob Simpson had Jeff Thomsen.

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