Brisbane survive another week after winning dramatic penalty shoot-out

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    From the opening throes, Western Sydney sensed a vulnerability in the team across from them. Brisbane have self-tenderised in the last few days, laying blow after blow on their own finals preparations, with the Thomas Broich issue a major distraction.

    The Roar hierarchy have retreated into a weak defensive position over the German’s regrettable shafting, and it was mirrored by the team, who meekly retreated back to the margins of their own penalty area as soon as the game began.

    Western Sydney, the league’s second most accurate passers, and a bunch who – often to their detriment – indulge gleefully in passing the ball in tight, advanced areas, relished the situation. Finding very little resistance, Kearyn Baccus and Terry Antonis waltzed up the park, with Joe Caletti and Thomas Kristensen backing up in front of them.

    Mitch Nichols, Nico Martinez, and Jumpei Kusukami – as they are want to do – revolved and whirred around, switching positions, eluding markers, searching for fleeting pockets of space.

    With Baccus and Antonis allowed the freedom and time, they found their attackers, and many of the chances Western Sydney had in the first half came from passes pinged in from the deeper midfielders to Martinez or Kusukami, who then touched the ball back slightly for teammates to shoot.

    On one occasion, Martinez simply meandered up to the edge of the box, performed a simple feigned shot, and darted closer, narrowly shooting wide. This was a sequence that enjoyed a breathy expanse of space around, caused by the Roar’s tentativeness, and these damaging holes lingered throughout the opening half.

    Brisbane, having haplessly retreated, limbs dangling and heads spinning, were seen hacking wild clearances to no one in particular. Kristensen and Caletti – and, occasionally, Broich and Holman – were pushed so deep, they were unable to aid in linking the attack to the rest of the team. Jamie Maclaren and Brandon Borrello were only rarely involved; Maclaren’s best moments came almost entirely from his own above-and-beyond exertions, chasing hopeful balls, beating players to the ball he had no right to pip.

    Nothing came easily, or fluently, for Brisbane ahead of the halfway line. Western Sydney had the better of the possession, and all the chances, and crucially, the opening goal. A penalty, with Avraam Papadopoulos catching a fraction of Brendan Santalab’s toe, as the Wanderers beat him to the ball in the box. Antonis tucked it away, and – as soft as the decision was – it was a wholly deserved lead.

    Brisbane Roar player Thomas Broich

    The halftime break came, and the match-call boffins were asking whether Broich should be substituted. The lingering feeling was that the Wanderers should have scored two first half goals. Brisbane had to be roused over the break, otherwise a home defeat was surely coming.

    And then, as if brought out of a dandy’s malaise with a whiff of smelling salts, Brisbane emerged and scored an equaliser within ten minutes of the second half commencing. A counter-attack, where the defence had retreated as they had in the first half, but then, crucially, offered a stern repulse and a vigorous riposte, saw Broich running with flanking teammates.

    He passed perfectly – he hadn’t, it hardly needs confirming, been substituted – to Borrello, and his shot ricocheted off the post, right to Maclaren’s feet. He couldn’t miss. Suddenly Brisbane were alive, winning the midfield battles they hadn’t even contested in the first half. Kristensen was passing ambitiously, and with accuracy, and Borrello and Broich were knitted coherently into proceedings, no longer isolated on the flanks.

    Borrello struck a man standing on the line, with the whole goal to aim at. Holman whacked an effort from distance high and wide. Janjetovic turned a Borrello volley onto the crossbar, the ball bouncing twice on the woodwork, an inspired save. It was Brisbane, revitalised, who had the better of the second half. But there was no goal to show for it, and Western Sydney survived.

    Suncorp was bathed in a late downpour, and the game was slicked, with chances slipping out at both ends. At this point, there had been 42 shots taken in total by both teams. But regulation time elapsed with the deadlock in place, and so it was towards an extra time period that the poncho’d home crowd looked.

    The frenetic fervour careered into the extra time period, with pinball midfield play and sudden desperate moments drawing gasps. Jamie Young, only barely with turf beneath stud after coming on for the injured Michael Theo, had to make a snap save from Santalab within seconds. Western Sydney had fanned down some of the Brisbane momentum, until substitute Jashua Sotirio, wrestling away the dunces cap and jamming it squarely on his own empty scone, managed to pick up his second yellow card. He had been on the pitch for 16 minutes. Tony Popovic’s focus, at that moment, turned to forcing a penalty shootout.

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    John Aloisi brought on Nicholas D’Agostino, to try and steal the night in the second half of extra time. The match curled up symmetrically, with the Wanderers now, wounded by Satirio’s idiocy, retreating meekly to their own penalty area. Oar hit a free kick down Janjetovic’s throat. Broich had a penalty appeal turned down.

    The looming spectre of the shootout loured the horizon, casting the last lethargic bursts into an even more desperate light. The final whistle split the tension, confirming it. The teams huddled up, with the rain still coursing over cramped muscles and muddy jerseys. This had been a marathon, testing the spirit as well as the sinew.

    Borrello, calm and steely, slotted the first spot kick away, pointing at the Den as he turned back to his team. Antonis clipped a cheeky panenka in to level things; Antonis was brilliant on the night. D’Agostino, a teenager, slammed his home with a stunted run-up, youthful confidence flowing through him.

    Dimas, the Wanderers’ late substitute, was next, and he slid his narrowly past Jamie Young’s grasping paw. Maclaren, who missed a penalty last week – losing him the Golden Boot outright – twanged his unerringly into the left-side netting, a perfect penalty. Martinez strolled up, and lifted his penalty high into the right-hand side. This was six straight makes.

    Luke DeVere, the centre half, was relieved to see Janjetovic guess the wrong way. Seven straight now. Brendan Hamill, also a sub, scored his, side-footing slightly to the right. Eight makes; the tension was unbearable. Kristensen bashed his off the underside of the crossbar and in, as a flutter rumbled around Suncorp.

    Robbie Cornthwaite slipped his square into the top-right corner, the best of the night. Ten straight, and Oar with a low curling shot made it 11 straight. When would this end? The sudden death period, where any Wanderer miss would lose them the tie, had begun some time ago.

    Then Jumpei Kusukami sauntered up, a little too casually, and weakly poked his shot far too close to Young, who barely needed to dive to save it. Had Young guessed the wrong way, it would have been peachy, but he didn’t, and the shot wasn’t good enough to mitigate that.

    Brisbane, eventually, recovered from their pallid start, and held their nerve when it mattered. Better finishing on the night might have seen a repeat of last season’s 5-4 finals result between these two clubs, such were the frequency of chances and the generosity of the defending. There will be no Sydney Derby in the finals. The Roar play the Victory next week.

    Evan Morgan Grahame
    Evan Morgan Grahame

    Evan Morgan Grahame is a Melbourne-based journalist. Gleaning what he could from his brief career as a painter, the canvas of the football pitch is now his subject of contemplation, with the beautiful game sketching new, intriguing compositions every week. He has been one of The Roar's Expert columnists since 2016. Follow him on Twitter @Evan_M_G.

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    • April 22nd 2017 @ 6:53am
      Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 6:53am | ! Report

      An absoloutly thrilling game, magnificent entertainment and drama all night.

      Roar in the first half lost the midfield completely, the Wanderers press plus Broich, Borrello, and Holman inability to find any meaningful time and space should have been more costly. Roar couldn’t pass through it or over it, they simply lost it.

      The second half change had more to do with wanderers tiring than any tactical switch by JA I suspect, suddenly Roars midfield was in the game and chances – but not goals – flowed.

      And the folly of the VAR was exposed when an obvious error wasn’t reversed when the referee incorrectly awarded an indirect free kick for a back pass that wasn’t. Why do we have a VAR if it’s not to avoid such incompetent refereeing? Get rid of it FIFA its a waste of fans goodwill.

      Roar need to fluke their way past Victory next week, thankfully playing out of sorts lately but unlikely to keep that up next week, and then find the mother of all performances away to SFC in the final. It’s stuff dreams are made of but, but, but … can they do it?

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 8:57am
        Nemesis said | April 22nd 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

        “Why do we have a VAR if it’s not to avoid such incompetent refereeing?”

        Well, if you read the FIFA instructions you’d know it has nothing to do with situations you’ve described.

        VAR is used for 4 specific purposes. Read the instructions & you won’t be misled about what VAR can and cannot do.

        Is VAR perfect? NO

        Is VAR better than not VAR? YES, provided the flow of the game isn’t significantly impacted. So far VAR is working beautifully.

        Early days.
        Bravo FIFA.
        Bravo FFA.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:27am
          Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

          Nah, it’s a waste of time and frustrating fans.

          Last season we had an additional official behind each goal for the finals. That official would have picked up a refereeing blunder that led to an indirect free kick in the box; that tmrefereeing mistake could have changed the game and would have resulted from an obvious error.

          The VAR is an expensive waste of time. It’s not working and the regulations on where it can and can’t be used are just daft.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:11am
            Chris said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:11am | ! Report

            Have to agree with you WAZ. Don’t like the VAR. Its been brought in to stop howling ref decisions. Whats a howler? Who determines that? It seems like any pen decision is sent up to the VAR meanwhile the fans sit there wondering if its going to be called or not by the man upstairs. Goal line technology – sure bring it in. (Even that has inequity as only “rich” leagues can install cameras etc). Everything else leave to the refs.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:26am
              Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

              I’d go with goal line technology and a 5th/6th official behind each goal. The VAR is just farcical

          • April 25th 2017 @ 8:08pm
            Arto said | April 25th 2017 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

            Seriously, how on Earth can you make those assertions: “It’s not working and the regulations on where it can and can’t be used are just daft.”????

            Actually it has worked very well so far and the regulations on when to use it are completely clear – it’s not here to fix every mistake, it’s to change clearly wrong decisions.

            Waste of time – it took 89 Seconds for the penalty decision SFC was awarded against Wellington to be made – that’s like the average stoppage for an injury!

            Frustrating for fans might be your opinion, but I’d wager those fans are like yourself and not in the know about how it’s meant to be used.

            5th, 6th or even 11 assistan referees can still make mistakes and whilst you conveniently overlook it, each of those assistant referees have their own area of responsibility, so in the end it’s the main referee’s call regardless of what happens.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:12pm
          TK said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          Three weeks in a row we’ve now seen roar do nothing in the first half then improve in the second. Last night the second half wasn’t enough to win it outright. We need to string two good 90 minute performances if we hope to beat victory and whoever is left after that..sfc probably.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:42am
        Cool and Cold said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

        There was no goal, penalty suspicion, mis-identity or red card that needed VAR.

        The goal keeper should have learnt that under that circumstance he should not have picked that ball up immediately.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:05am
          Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

          Under the rules of the game Theo is entitled to pick that ball up. He saw it come off a wanderers player, the other Roar players saw it come off a wanderers player, the fans saw it, the TV cameras saw it. The VAR is a farce, if you can’t use it, scrap it.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:22am
          BES said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

          under what circumstance C&C? His player had attempted to play a pass inside to another defender and his pass had been cut out by an opposition player and deflected toward the keeper. Football rule book is very clear something can only be considered a backpass (and therefore not eligible for pick up by the keeper) is it has been played last by a player on the same team as the keeper directly and intentionally to the keeper.

          Under the rules of the game Theo had every right to pick the ball up and did so.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:25am
          BES said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

          Further to that C&C the WSW goal was directly attributed to a non-existent foul that was awarded to Santalab –
          (who should have already been sent off anyways – but that’s another issue) and resulted in an incorrectly awarded penalty. This is supposedly exactly what VAR is mean to prevent.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:40pm
            Bfc said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

            The Ref’s decision making on fouls was somewhat baffling…Clisby and Santalab were fortunate. Both had earlier cautions for dangerous tackles (Clisby’s was a two footed scissor tackle…a clearly dangerous tackle with no attempt to win the ball…) without getting a yellow card, and then getting yellow cards soon after…both could have been sent off before Sotirio’s brain fade. Holman gets a yellow for perhaps his first tackle.
            Did not think the “penalty” should have been awarded, but it is always dangerous for a defender to dangle his feet in the box…and Santalab did what any striker would do…he went down. The VAR did not show that the decision was clearly incorrect, so a good call by the Ref (though we did not think so in the ‘heat of the moment’…).
            VAR can’t rule on the indirect free kick…but it was an awful decision. Was it made by the RA or the Ref…?

          • April 25th 2017 @ 8:20pm
            Arto said | April 25th 2017 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

            Wrong! The VAR is used for the following:

            – The VAR will conduct checks on four issues only: goals, penalty decisions, red card incidents and mistaken identity.

            – Reviews and overturned decisions will only occur when the VAR spots a ‘clear error’ in the play and the referee accepts that decision.

            The penalty was awarded as the ref thought Santalab had been fouled in the Box. The VAR reviewed the footage and determined there was not enough evidence to suggest the ref was clearly wrong – that you claim he was is your opinion and I’ll wager there are enough fans who think the opposite to make the matter moot.

            Additionally, that you also think Santalab should have been sent off prior to that is also a matter of opinion and the VAR deemed there to not be enough evidence to overturn any of the ref’s decisions on Santalabs actions.

            For the record, I can’t stand Santalab and his thug-like tactics on the Field and have no love for either Roar or Wanderers.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am
        BES said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

        Didn’t miss just 1 blatant error Waz but 2. Santalab shouldn’t have been on the field having rightly been yellow carded for 3 fouls and then committed a far worse than all of the prior 3 on TK but mystifyingly was left on the park to then theatrically throw himself to the ground in the penalty box in what was a clear dive – THIS is exactly what VAR IS meant to correct. Clear referring errors that lead direct to a goal. That was in no way a penalty any more than Broiches was not in the second half.

        But put the negatives to one side – a thrilling game with outstanding keeping from both sides – possibly the worst half of football I have seen Brisbane play all season in the first half but complete domination in the second.

        I do not agree it had anything to do with fitness tho WAZ – or if it did, WSW must be the most unfit team in the league. They had 2 extra days to back up from their previous that BR did not and they had I think 9 players that had not played for 2 weeks prior? In no way was the domination a fitness comparison.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:10pm
          Lionheart said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

          good reading of the match there Bes, totally agree
          I was not far from that “backpass” and was amazed that the assistant on the sideline said nothing, nor was he consulted. He had a perfect view, as must have the fourth official too.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:28pm
        TheVolley said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

        Fantastic match. First half was poor from Roar but 2nd onwards was great. Sad to see Broich go – he was still the main man who created chances. Borello should have scored 2 and won the match – both that hit the woodwork. I read from newspaper articles that Oar is set to become a marque player. If this is the case, we are wasting money. Oar is a decent player but not a marque player. I would pay Borello more money than Oar. Over the past 2 years we’ve seen Borello grow and he has incredible skills and speed and defensive abilities when not attacking. Borello was the other guy apart from Broich that caused WSW lots of trouble. Also Borello is the guy who has been doing damage in the ACL. My concern now is who do we take to Thailand for midweek ACL and then come back to play the A-League semifinals. By the way there is nothing wrong with the VAR in this match. VARs are NOT setup to review every single referee decision – that would be madness. Only 4 scenarios are targeted by VAR and these have been specifically chosen. Referees will always make controversial decisions.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:42pm
          Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          The point is the VAR is very, very expensive and remains imperfect. We’ve swapped the 5/6th official (from behind the goal) which would be a better investment, for this.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm
            TheVolley said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

            Referees are expensive and imperfect too – let’s get rid of them too. Come on Waz, admit you simply change your mindset and stuck in past.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:20pm
              Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

              I can live with human imperfections. The VAR is a farce; don’t like it, don’t want it; want rid of it.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:03pm
                Nemesis said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

                The VAR is also a human imperfection.

                VAR is simply a human using video technology that’s not available to the ref because the ref cannot run around with a TV monitor.

                What’s the cost of VAR? I can’t imagine it’s that expensive. GLT is very expensive.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:28pm
                Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

                Don’t like it. Don’t want it.

                You can have your opinion and I won’t seek to change it. But VAR needs to go is my opinion and I don’t think I’m alone.

                The issue I have here is what they can and can intervene on; the “pass back” is a case in point – that was an obvious error. Had a goal resulted from the incorrectly awarded free kick it could not have been reviewed and yet it would have resulted from an obvious error. Had Roar equalised afterwards ala Perth where the ball went dead without the officials noticing and a goal was scored, it would have been reviewed. Two obvious errors, one results to a goal that wasn’t reviewed and one that was reviewed and a goal disallowed. It won’t be long before there’s a major crowd disturbance somewhere in the world over something like this. It’s not fair so it must go.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:24pm
                TheVolley said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

                Anything that is made by human being including the game have imperfections.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 5:57pm
                Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

                Agreed. So let’s go back to the referees and end this farse. It’s making things more controversial and not less, it’s making it less fair not “more fair”. It’s stupid.

              • April 25th 2017 @ 8:31pm
                Arto said | April 25th 2017 @ 8:31pm | ! Report

                Hard to argue With the example you mention here, Waz, but I put it to you that the VAR would be just as useful as you see it being a farce in other situations – case in point; Real Madrid’s win over Bayern Munich last week. I put it to you that it would be Bayern against Atletico in the SF rather than Real given the horrendous amount of wrong decisions that were made DESPITE there being goal-line officials as you advocate!

                2 goals allowed despite Ronaldo being offside, Vidal’s 2nd YC that never was, Casemiro not even receiving a single card for any of his horror challenges…

                So it’s clear that some people like the introductions of VARs, and other don’t. And most definitely we’ll still have reasons to debate and argue over what happened in the games the other night. So for now I’ll leave you and everyone else with this little snippet of last weeks disgrace at the Bernabeu:

                https://www.facebook.com/fcbcentralvideo/videos/1887633148146643/

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:50pm
          Lionheart said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

          Borrello put in some beautiful crosses from out wide to their keeper and central defenders last night, but yes, he’s like Petratos, developing into one of our best but much better close to goal. Oar is our best at crosses from out wide though he didn’t play that role last night until very late on. Holman’s our other marquee next year, back to his old uninspiring ways again after a top game the previous week v Phoenix. He loses the ball more than any other player I’m sure, and acts like Mr Grumpy whenever he doesn’t get the pass he wants or someone misses one of his erratic passes. Not sure what happened with North and DeVeere in the first half either, they really looked out of sorts but you have to give credit to WSW, they played like they came to win.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 7:51am
      Cool and Cold said | April 22nd 2017 @ 7:51am | ! Report

      For the whole season, WSW keeps struggling in scoring while BR keeps struggling in defense.

      There could be no extra time if Sotiro scored in the dying minutes.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 8:13am
      KJ said | April 22nd 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

      Really enjoyed this (nerve wracking) game and this was a good summary.

      One thing I would like to see change with the VAR though is a consistency filter applied. Yes, it is to stop howlers, but where a penalty is called at one end and not the other for essentially an equivalent foul (conservative), I feel this goes against the point of having the VAR.

      Also the ball that hit the arm in the box to provide control and set up a counter attack IMO should have been called.

      Now to tomorrow’s game to see who plays Sydney.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 8:24am
      Nemesis said | April 22nd 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

      Highly competitive match in difficult playing conditions. Both teams gave 100% and it had all the drama that’s only possible in a football knock-out match.

      No deep tactical analysis needed.

      The match was won by 1 missed penalty taken by a player who had been cramping regularly for the final 30 minutes of the match.

      This is “the brutality of sport” – players pushing themselves to physical limits. Cowardly punches & bashing each other is not “brutality of sport” – it’s low brow thuggery.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:00am
        Cool and Cold said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

        The match was won by the goalkeeper, Jamie Young, who bet on moving to his left side at the right moment, a split of a second of Jumpei’s leg lifting. Should Jamie Young bet wrongly, moving to his right, the ball went in easily.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:57pm
          Nemesis said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

          Not true at all. All other pens were very well taken. Some of the best executed penalties I’ve seen in Aleague.

          Both GKs went the right way several times but the penalties had such venom, or precision, they were unstoppable.

          Jumpei’s penalty had the power of a bloke who’d been cramping for the last 30 mins.

          If you’ve ever experienced such fatigue, you’ll know what I’m talking about. But, of course, you won’t appreciate that sort of fatigue from playing Fifa Football video games.

          • April 23rd 2017 @ 12:27am
            Cool and Cold said | April 23rd 2017 @ 12:27am | ! Report

            No, if Jamie Young moved to the right that ball went in for sure.

          • April 23rd 2017 @ 8:45am
            Waz said | April 23rd 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

            “Both goalkeepers went the right way several times” …. Janjetovic went the right way 2 times out of 6, Young 4 times. One of the keepers is better at figuring out which way the kickers going than the other, that in the end was the difference. Interestingly neither keeper stayed still for any kick – from memory at least 4 went down the middle.

            • April 23rd 2017 @ 10:56am
              Nemesis said | April 23rd 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

              Don’t know if you believe this, or you’re just looking for an argument.

              Either way, it’s ridiculous.

              GK has 50% chance of choosing the right way. So, 2 out of 6 or 4 out of 6 is insignificant.

              Do 100 test and if it’s still:
              Young chose the right side 66%
              Janjetovic only 33% then we can reach some intelligent conclusions.

              Unbelievable nonsense is used to analyse football.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 12:24pm
                Waz said | April 23rd 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

                I’m not looking for an argument. I know defensive coaching and I know goalkeepers are coached in this. And I suspect 4 v 2 wasn’t an accident.

                You can take your pick on which GK’ing technique is used when facing a penalty and which one is best, but I doubt many modern professional goalkeepers are left to guess or make a random decision.

                All sides will no doubt have a varuety of career history on opposing penalty takers, this includes analysis of the sequence looking for any patterns including the last 5 or so. It’s also part of video analysis which at Roar Ross is responsible for.

                This goes out of the window in a penalty shoot out for the majority of the kickers (as often they will be taking their first penalty in a long while) in which case it’s back solely to analytics: eyes, body, hip position, and favoured more recently, the angle of the non-kicking foot (Bozza talked about that last one after the show). In fact, I know some English clubs have worked with their County Cricket clubs on this; there are similar requirements for a batsman looking for the bowlers grip on the ball who, if he can see it at time of release or just prior to that, can anticipate the spin on the ball and (if they can think and react quick enough) make a decision on how to deal with the ball. The techniques required there can be coached and transferred to football – but some players are just much better at it than others because of the way their brain is wired. I have not heard of any Australian clubs going this far but many (including Roar) have a specialist goalkeeping coach and they do work on defending penalty kicks despite it being a one on one exercise.

                This topic even goes as far as leveraging the Müller-Lyer illusion which I suspect is what Young was doing when he unnecessarily “cleaned” his boots by banging them one one of the posts and he may even have gone on to stand slightly off centre. There’s a whole library of research on this stuff.

                there’s other factors in play such as reaction time, speed of dive, height/weight calculations but they’re not generally unique to defending penalties.

                So Young went the right way 4 times out of six, his opponent two meaning young had double the chances janjetovic had to save the ball. Credit Young and his coaching team for that, it didn’t happen by accident or lucky guessing.

                And this coaching doesn’t just take place in the professional environment, Michael Theo runs a coaching school and he coaches some of the basic skills for facing penalties there. I’ve seen it.

                So it’s a long answer but seriously, wheres the “looking for an argument” in all that? Just because it disagrees with your opinion doesn’t mean it’s looking for an argument…. it’s an interesting topic and to ignore it is to reduce the work done prior to that penalty shoot out to the skill required in selecting your weekend lottery numbers.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 3:28pm
                Nemesis said | April 23rd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

                So, he went the right way 4 times and was successful once.

                I’ll have to do the stats, but maybe if he just stayed upright in the middle he’d have saved more penalties.

                It’s just a lottery. Sure people can find all sorts of reasons AFTER the event, but I’ll only pay attention to such analysis if I hear BEFORE the penalty kick the analysis tell me which way the keeper is going to go.

                BRI scored 6 penalties. WSW scored 5.

                That’s the reason Brisbane won.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 6:44pm
                Waz said | April 23rd 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

                Mate, seriously, I like a lot of what you say but this isn’t one of those times. Go and talk to a football coach ….

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:46am
        Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

        I get the distinct impression you know all about low brow thuggery.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:13pm
        Lionheart said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

        difficult playing conditions? I thought it was nice – barely got wet as the rain was just a light shower, and the temp/humidity was beautiful. pitch looked ok from my seat.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:00pm
          Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

          Where did that rain come from??? Wasn’t forecast and until then a perfect night for football.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 8:54am
      Fadida said | April 22nd 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

      Just read on the World Game that MacLaren is joIning Man/Melb City.

      Good luck finding a 20 goal a season striker

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 8:55am
        KJ said | April 22nd 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

        Jamie Maclaren responded to the tweet himself saying it was untrue.
        I personally will be waiting to see what is really happening.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 9:42am
        Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

        Fadida. We don’t need a 20 goal season striker. We’re in third place twice running with a 20 goal a season striker.

        The first half showed the limitations in Jamie’s game, he’s like a tank with two gears – forward and forward faster. Faced with ten team mates compressed in to their defensive third Maclaren is unable/unwilling to know when to drop back and be the first receiver that can hold the call, keep possesion and relieve the pressure, and crucially link in team mates to get the team going forward. Instead when Roar were trying to break out they faced a huge gap between defence and a sole striker and when they looked up they saw the gap opening up rapidly as Maccers made his trademark runs to whichever corner flag he fancied.

        He’s a great at what he does, but you can’t play Roars style with 10 1/2 men on the pitch and this game should have been over by half time.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:45pm
        Bfc said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

        I thought the FFA put rules in place to stop Melb City from rorting the salary cap via a “loanee” from Man City (as they did with Brattan and Caceres..)?

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 9:37am
      Leonard said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

      Wasn’t there some soccer Big Shot who reckon the FFA should “take on” competing codes by having A-League games coinciding with theirs, as some sort of ‘Bring It On!!!!’ challenge?

      So, big fella, how’s that looking with the seats at last night’s EF being 2/3rds empty? Last year, the Brisbane Broncos drew 43,170 to an EF at the same venue. And BTW, at least the AFL’s GWS got 21,70 to the Showground in last year’s PF, after drawing 60,222 to a Sydney derby QF at Homebush.

      Many Comments on this site point out that far too many who call themselves ‘football [but not as you know it] fans’ much prefer to watch foreign league games on TV rather than even considering the bother of attending an A-League match. Must be hard being Major ‘Bring-It-On’ when the volunteer militia don’t turn up.

      Isn’t this soccer snobbery is the game’s real cancer, not the contagion of eggball-itis? Or a ‘hostile’ media? Or, FFS, ‘racism’?

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:27am
        Midfielder said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

        Lenoard

        Currently in the US … have been to a Basketball game and wow what an experience, to a Ice Hockey game there fans are nuts, two Football games both the Football and Basketball in Orlando, The Orlando Magic [Basketball] Orlando City in Football. The Mets in Ice Hockey…

        Strange in the US most people I spoke to had not even heard of AFL.

        When your game can get beyond the southern states being one capital city and a few regional towns then you may impress me …

        Travelling home today from New York otherwise would have gone and seen one of the New York Football teams. That what its like in a world game you can catch a match anywhere in the world.

        In Orlando the Football matches started at 3 O”Clock in the afternoon and went joined the fans in Orlando City bars and fell into conversation about Football, and they showed interest in my Mariners cap and shirt I wore and we talked a universal language of joy as we discussed Football techniques, formations … the world game … the beautiful game that has twice if not mote players in Australia than AFL..

        On the Basketball I was amazed at how many players for both the Orlando Magic and Detroit had overseas players like Football you measure yourself against 100’s of million of players …

        Your cheap jibs show a level of insecurity common in the collusion codes today …

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:41am
          Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

          Bit weird mate, so now you are talking about our national indigenous game to Americans.

          You just can’t help yourself can you, can’t let it alone.

          No one has a mortgage on being more worldly because they like soccer and no one carries a bigger cultural cringe, hand wringing, chip
          on the shoulder mentality than soccer fans in this country.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am
            Leonard said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

            And there is no bigger sporting cultural cringe that that displayed by resident socceristas against their game in our country. Until the sport here can rid itself of this self-loathing snobbery, it will be held back in its efforts to become more mainstream. All’s said and done, why should outsiders like something when so many of its insiders openly claim it is rubbish?

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:04am
              Chris said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:04am | ! Report

              Leonard you seem to be such an expert on all things football. Your words of wisdom on how football can become mainstream (in your eyes) are absolute gems. Whats holding back the AFL from being relevant beyond 3 southern states in a small country? Any words of wisdom on this?

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:53pm
                Alicesprings said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

                Geography on this board is off the dial – WA a southern state? Half of WA is above the tropic of Capricorn! And lets not forget the Northern Territory people!

                Unfortunately it was on delay up here but as a neutral observer I really enjoyed the game.

                Can’t help thinking the Roar spoiled the FFA’s party as an all Sydney final would have been an awesome spectacle!

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

                Chris – AFL only rates 5th in the world of codes, seriously, that’s why it’s cr@p entertainment.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am
            Midfielder said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

            Only once mate … Mr L stated it and like all AFLers you blame others for defending themselves.

            BTW if you read the post you will see I talked about both Basketball and Football…

            But have it you own way … don’t bother to reply as I won’t read your post as I stopped reading AFL posts months ago … its just I am bored at an airport terminal…

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:03am
              Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

              yep, ypu have mentioned basketball and American football – you must be so worldly.

              Get over yourself mate.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:13pm
                Midfielder said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

                Mate I loved the Basketball game, I loved the Hockey game … and I enjoy Rugby especially at international level..

                My preferred code by light years is Football … However I do appreciate international sport … especially team sports…

                You game is a world nitch sport and you should be very proud of your achievements… however don’t start to pretend you are a major sport outside the southern states of Australia…

                One day open your mind to true world sports where mega salaries are paid with millions of players and in Football, Basketball 100’s of millions of players …

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:32pm
                Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                So many wrong judgements on so many levels, so many misconceptions of misunderstandings of sport.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:37pm
                Midfielder said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

                This is the Fiootball ratings in the US last weel all games live … i.e. 50 games ..

                Football is still the number four code in viewer numbers per game … but like Australia Football is the most played game passing Basketball roughly 3 years ago… however Basketball still has mega numbers …

                But 50 games broadcast live and when you add the total up its not bad..

                Apr 10-16: World Soccer Talk
                1070k – América / Querétaro Univision; 669000 UDN; 401000
                968k – Tigres / Chivas UniMás; 465000 UDN; 503000
                889k – América / Necaxa UniMás; 412000 UDN; 477000
                826k – Southampton / Man City NBC; 784000 Unvso; 42000
                816k – Man Utd / Chelsea NBCSN; 816000 —; —
                761k – Tigres / Pumas Univision; 482000 UDN; 279000
                748k – Juventus / Barcelona FS1; 391000 FOXD; 357000
                701k – Toluca / Monterrey Univision; 522000 UDN; 179000
                542k – Barcelona / Sociedad beIN; 139000 beIE; 403000
                447k – West Brom / Liverpool NBCSN; 415000 Unvso; 32000
                401k – Toluca / Cruz Azul —; — UDN; 401000
                390k – Sporting / Real Madrid beIN; 134000 beIE; 256000
                383k – Bayern / Real Madrid FS1; 383000 —; —
                377k – Orlando City / Los Angeles Galaxy FOX; 346000 FOXD; 31000
                361k – Crystal Palace / Leicester City NBCSN; 361000 —; —
                340k – Leverkusen / Bayern FOX; 282000 FOXD; 58000
                327k – Puebla / Cruz Azul —; — UDN; 327000
                298k – San Jose Earthquakes / FC Dallas UniMás; 256000 UDN; 42000
                284k – Pachuca / Chivas —; — Unvso; 284000
                260k – Spurs / Bournemouth NBCSN; 260000 —; —
                241k – Querétaro / Tijuana —; — UDN; 241000
                211k – Anderlecht / Man Utd FS1; 211000 —; —
                203k – Atlético Madrid / Osasuna beIN; 57000 beIE; 146000
                198k – Philadelphia Union / New York City ESPN; 198000 ESPND; —
                188k – Chiapas / Tijuana —; — UDN; 188000
                180k – Chiapas / León —; — UDN; 180000
                174k – Crystal Palace / Arsenal NBCSN; 174000 —; —
                96k – Dortmund / Monaco FS2; 96000 —; —
                92k – Atlético Madrid / Leicester City FS2; 41000 FOXD; 51000
                88k – Dortmund / Frankfurt FS1; 88000 —; —
                82k – Thorns / Pride Lifetime; 82000 —; —
                82k – Valencia / Sevilla beIN; 8000 beIE; 74000
                65k – Bremen / Hamburg FS1; 65000 —; —
                61k – Darmstadt / Schalke FS1; 51000 FOXD; 10000
                53k – Pachuca / Morelia —; — Unvso; 53000
                50k – Betis / Eibar —; — beIE; 50000
                50k – Granada / Celta Vigo —; — beIE; 50000
                43k – Inter Milan / AC Milan beIN; 25000 beIE; 18000
                31k – Sociedad / Sporting beIN; 7000 beIE; 24000
                26k – Athletic / Las Palmas —; — beIE; 26000
                18k – Vitória / Sporting CP —; — UDN; 18000
                18k – Angers / PSG beIN; 18000 —; —
                18k – Hoffenheim / Mönchengladbach FS2; 6000 FOXD; 12000
                17k – Ajax / Schalke FS2; 17000 —; —
                14k – Marseille / Saint-Étienne beIN; 14000 —; —
                11k – Wolves / Brighton beIN; 11000 —; —
                10k – Armada / Deltas beIN; 10000 —; —
                5k – Bristol / QPR beIN; 5000 —; —

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:48pm
                Midfielder said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                Mods

                Why is my post on hold for…

                M

                this will be a double post but its kinda what I am talking about..

                This is the Fiootball ratings in the US last weel all games live … i.e. 50 games ..

                Football is still the number four code in viewer numbers per game … but like Australia Football is the most played game passing Basketball roughly 3 years ago… however Basketball still has mega numbers …

                But 50 games broadcast live and when you add the total up its not bad..

                Apr 10-16: World Soccer Talk
                1070k – América / Querétaro Univision; 669000 UDN; 401000
                968k – Tigres / Chivas UniMás; 465000 UDN; 503000
                889k – América / Necaxa UniMás; 412000 UDN; 477000
                826k – Southampton / Man City NBC; 784000 Unvso; 42000
                816k – Man Utd / Chelsea NBCSN; 816000 —; —
                761k – Tigres / Pumas Univision; 482000 UDN; 279000
                748k – Juventus / Barcelona FS1; 391000 FOXD; 357000
                701k – Toluca / Monterrey Univision; 522000 UDN; 179000
                542k – Barcelona / Sociedad beIN; 139000 beIE; 403000
                447k – West Brom / Liverpool NBCSN; 415000 Unvso; 32000
                401k – Toluca / Cruz Azul —; — UDN; 401000
                390k – Sporting / Real Madrid beIN; 134000 beIE; 256000
                383k – Bayern / Real Madrid FS1; 383000 —; —
                377k – Orlando City / Los Angeles Galaxy FOX; 346000 FOXD; 31000
                361k – Crystal Palace / Leicester City NBCSN; 361000 —; —
                340k – Leverkusen / Bayern FOX; 282000 FOXD; 58000
                327k – Puebla / Cruz Azul —; — UDN; 327000
                298k – San Jose Earthquakes / FC Dallas UniMás; 256000 UDN; 42000
                284k – Pachuca / Chivas —; — Unvso; 284000
                260k – Spurs / Bournemouth NBCSN; 260000 —; —
                241k – Querétaro / Tijuana —; — UDN; 241000
                211k – Anderlecht / Man Utd FS1; 211000 —; —
                203k – Atlético Madrid / Osasuna beIN; 57000 beIE; 146000
                198k – Philadelphia Union / New York City ESPN; 198000 ESPND; —
                188k – Chiapas / Tijuana —; — UDN; 188000
                180k – Chiapas / León —; — UDN; 180000
                174k – Crystal Palace / Arsenal NBCSN; 174000 —; —
                96k – Dortmund / Monaco FS2; 96000 —; —
                92k – Atlético Madrid / Leicester City FS2; 41000 FOXD; 51000
                88k – Dortmund / Frankfurt FS1; 88000 —; —
                82k – Thorns / Pride Lifetime; 82000 —; —
                82k – Valencia / Sevilla beIN; 8000 beIE; 74000
                65k – Bremen / Hamburg FS1; 65000 —; —
                61k – Darmstadt / Schalke FS1; 51000 FOXD; 10000
                53k – Pachuca / Morelia —; — Unvso; 53000
                50k – Betis / Eibar —; — beIE; 50000
                50k – Granada / Celta Vigo —; — beIE; 50000
                43k – Inter Milan / AC Milan beIN; 25000 beIE; 18000
                31k – Sociedad / Sporting beIN; 7000 beIE; 24000
                26k – Athletic / Las Palmas —; — beIE; 26000
                18k – Vitória / Sporting CP —; — UDN; 18000
                18k – Angers / PSG beIN; 18000 —; —
                18k – Hoffenheim / Mönchengladbach FS2; 6000 FOXD; 12000
                17k – Ajax / Schalke FS2; 17000 —; —
                14k – Marseille / Saint-Étienne beIN; 14000 —; —
                11k – Wolves / Brighton beIN; 11000 —; —
                10k – Armada / Deltas beIN; 10000 —; —
                5k – Bristol / QPR beIN; 5000 —; —

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:54am
            Chris said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

            Wheres your comment to Leonard who started this?

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:41am
          Leonard said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:41am | ! Report

          Yeah, and I’m sure that Seppos travelling here have been astonished at the number of Aussies they’ve met who’ve spontaneously started yakking to them about their deep love for and abiding interest in US / North American [ice] hockey, and go home and tell their buddies about how ‘hockey’ has so many tens of thousands of Ahzzie fans. Who’d’ve thunk it? And consider all those thousands of tourists from Ireland who’ve had similar experiences about hurling!!

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:53pm
          Bondy said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

          Midfielder

          I enjoy your time over there mate ,keep safe …

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:52am
        BES said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

        Yawn

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:01am
          Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:01am | ! Report

          Yep

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:39am
        pauly said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

        Great, more bored AFL fans disrupting a worthy thread. Isn’t there enough to keep you amused in the greatest Aussie Rules competition in the world?

        Furthermore, the A-League can’t just determine its operations based on what happens here, we have global factors to consider. The need to keep players fit for June internationals is an important consideration, not that I’d expect the average AFL fan to be aware of that. At least league and union fans (who interestingly enough don’t come here en masse to bait us) get it.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:42am
          Mickyo said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

          Baby fuss ?

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:46am
            pauly said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

            Still here. Don’t you have an Auskick game to go watch?

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm
            Fadida said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

            What’s with all these non-football fans on here? Shouldn’t they be getting a neck tattoo or assaulting someone?

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:46pm
              Nemesis said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

              We’re going to get lots more Crash & Carry Ball fans on these discussions as the AFL season winds down now.

              33% of teams are useless & they’re now that they can’t make the finals these incompetent teams have incentive to be even more useless so they can pick the next useless teenager before other useless teenagers.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:17pm
        Lionheart said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

        no comparison Leonard. AFL has just one string, one tier – no World Cup, Asia cup, Champions league, no international friendlies, and NRL has very limited internationals. If you want to compare codes and crowds, do the whole game not just the club competition, which we all love btw.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:44pm
        steve said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

        Terrific Contest indeed …….watched by only 64,000 people on FTA TV. Huge!

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:23pm
          Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:23pm | ! Report

          112k on Fox last night, up from the 109k for the same finals game last year. Good result all round. Super Rugby game rated 41,000. AFL only 200k for their big friday game as well.

          Looks like Fox overpaid for AFL, football is great value based on the numbers!

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:01pm
            Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

            ….. and Rabitos v Broncos game was played at the same time in Sydney last night. Crowd was only 11,000

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:04pm
            Steve said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

            You conveniently left out the AFL FTA component 431k on Ch 7 plus 7 mate 93k. Just a minor exclusion eh?

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:32pm
              Waz said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

              Steve, I was comparing Fox ratings to Fox ratings. It would be foolish to compare Fox ratings to FTA. Football is simply a bargain for Fox.

              And good on the AFL, big crowds and big viewing, that must be nice for you. But footballs doing okay, our benchmark is not AFL but Super Rugby which we’ve now passed; next up is league which we can match for crowds but not viewers. But we’ll get there one day.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:49pm
              Realfootball said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

              Look, Steve, I respect your right to like watching AFL. I personally find it brainless, scrappy and boring, and the uniforms are ridiculous parodies of body builder costumes. Globally, the game is a tadpole in Lake Baikal, no matter what the viewing figures are in Australia.

              But I, unlike you, mind my own business and allow you lot to get on with your fandom on your own threads. How about you do the same?

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:57pm
        Realfootball said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

        Who said the Neandertals had gone extinct?

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