Origin 2: Mass clear-out up a given up north

Ron Swanson Roar Guru

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    Without stating the bleeding obvious from the fallout after the Maroons were pantsed by Blues in front of their own fans, expect some mass changes for the return bout in three weeks time.

    It would not be surprising to see a changed line-up comprising the list at the bottom of this article.

    Sacrificing Corey Oates for Valentine Holmes will be easier for the Maroons with more go-forward named in a revamped forward pack. We suspect the Maroons will go for speed in an all-or-nothing approach in Game 2.

    Johnathan Thurston will be named but is 50-50 at best. If he’s ultimately ruled out, Anthony Milford would start on the pine with Michael Morgan starting. Tim Glasby could be a surprise bolter in place of either Gavin Cooper or Ethan Lowe.

    If there is a chink in the Blues armour it is the outside backs that aren’t blessed with speed. Expect the Maroons to throw the ball wide early in an attempt to tire the Blues forward pack and lessen its influence in Game 2.

    We witnessed some of the best defence seen by NSW in quite some time in the final quarter of the game, while some of the off-loading and support skill from the Queenslanders showed what they are capable of.

    Blues fans would be happy if Walters only makes two to three changes, however, after the nature of the defeat, but the minimal impact of their forward pack creates a golden opportunity to blood some talented up and comers. This seems like a no-brainer, with experienced heads and greats of the game still vital cogs in the Maroon line-up. It’s highly likely NSW will name an unchanged side, with injury being the only exception that would force any changes.

    The media is already starting to write the epitaph of the great Queensland dynasty but beware, a champion team or a champion player never rolls over and accepts their time is up; they come back with a lift in intensity and thrive when a new challenge presents itself. This drive is what got them there in the first place.

    A lot of injuries and suspensions can occur between now and 21 June. Complacency and reading your own headlines is fraught with danger, and if NSW displays any of these traits, even in a minor way, Game 3 will be more than just a dead rubber with only pride at stake – not to mention the possible inclusion of a particular Johnathan Thurston.

    Suggested team sheet

    1. Billy Slater
    2. Valentine Holmes
    3. Will Chambers
    4. Dane Gagai
    5. Darius Boyd
    6. Johnathan Thurston
    7. Cooper Cronk
    8. Jarrod Wallace
    9. Cam Smith (C)
    10. Josh Papalii
    11. Sam Thaiday
    12. Matt Gillett
    13. Josh McGuire
    14. Michael Morgan
    15. Dylan Napa
    16. Coen Hess
    17. Gavin Cooper

    The New South Wales State of Origin team for the 2018 series remains a mystery, with new coach Brad Fittler facing plenty of selection headaches. So we want you to tell us - and all your mates - who should start for Blues in Game 1 with our team picker.

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    The Crowd Says (23)

    • June 3rd 2017 @ 7:45am
      Tim Braiden said | June 3rd 2017 @ 7:45am | ! Report

      Hey Ron, can you please edit the title, it makes my brain hurt, cheers mate

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        June 5th 2017 @ 3:53pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

        Soz Tim I submitted the title Origin Game 2 – Mass clear out up North a given. Been stitched up me thinks!

    • June 3rd 2017 @ 9:02am
      kk said | June 3rd 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

      Hi Ron,

      Your understanding of what is required for O2 is a great read. Holmes for Oates
      was probably justified by your suggestion of the need for speed. 100/100.

      Smithy looked tired at the O1 P.C but the glint in eyes was steely and his voice
      delivered a’ kindly’ message that O2 will be different.

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        June 5th 2017 @ 3:55pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

        Pretty sure they kicked to Oates all night with a high bomb knowing he takes a bit to get up to top speed. Tactic worked well plus he is in that category of Manu Vatuvei like wingers who take an age if they have to retreat to clean up the ball.

        • June 5th 2017 @ 4:43pm
          Craig said | June 5th 2017 @ 4:43pm | ! Report

          They kicked to Oates to prevent Oates from taking the first hit up of the set. Oates first hit up is always first rate and makes 15 odd metres to get the set rolling every time, they nullified this part of his game. Instead, we had Darius or someone else crabbing across field on the first play.

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      June 3rd 2017 @ 9:31am
      up in the north said | June 3rd 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

      Queensland only need to finetune their side for game two, massive changes aren’t required. As has been raised previously, a couple of bounces of the ball going the other way and the result would have been much different.

      NSW played as near to a faultless game as is humanly possible and earned an epic win. One win in a three game series. Complacency and cockiness are going to be their biggest enemy if they aren’t careful, so conquering the mental battle is what they need to achieve.

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        June 5th 2017 @ 3:58pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

        I think NSW improved with one key change, Peats for Farah. Peats plays for the team whereas Robbie plays for Robbie. Go forward was non existent at home, how will be down Sydney? Lillyman, Guerra, Myles and even Thaiday look mismatches moving forward for Qld.

        They need to re-energise their pack with youngsters surrounded by Smith and co.

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      June 3rd 2017 @ 9:36am
      Bunney said | June 3rd 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

      Its funny how things change – a few years ago Qld had no quality edge forwards apart from Thaiday. We had middle forwards like Ash Harrison and even a young Nate Myles playing 4-in. Now we’re stacked with edges, and have few middles!

      Gillett is a lock for right side.
      Papalii to start on the left and replaced by Hess after 30min+ Can be rotated through middle in second stint.
      That means Thaiday has to man up and play middle (13 for mine) unless injury forces him to move to the edge. He was invisible on Wednesday. Played 45min and ran 47 metres. Abominable. Kevvie should tell him its his last chance to prove he belongs, or new blood will replace him from Game 3 onwards.

      Wallace, McGuire, Napa for the middle but we need one more. I think selecting Gavin Cooper – who is a really good player that I like a lot – will miss the mark.

      The only real options if Lillyman and Myles are excluded (should be) is Tim Glasby, Scott Bolton and Brenton Lawrence. Glasby has been part of the emerging Origin camp the past three years – give him a go I say.

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        June 5th 2017 @ 3:59pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

        Surprised not much love for Ethan Lowe, he goes alright too.

    • June 3rd 2017 @ 9:54am
      souvalis said | June 3rd 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

      You can’t pack and stack after just ONE game Ron..surely there’ll be loyalty for the past..it’s the Qld way…

      Val Holmes wasn’t good enough last week,but he’s in this week ? Darius has gone from king pin to ten pin ?

      As a NSW men I feel duped and very disappointed at the prospect of wholesale dumpings…Miles by and thanks for all the fists..

      • Roar Guru

        June 5th 2017 @ 4:00pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

        Darius lacks the vocal presence of Slater, that is the area of his game, which is very crucial at Origin he struggles with.

    • June 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am
      Ian said | June 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

      I don’t think they’ll make wholesale changes. Wallace in for Myles. O’Neill out to get Slater in. Maybe Guerra out to bring Hess or Cooper in.

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        June 5th 2017 @ 4:03pm
        Ron Swanson said | June 5th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

        You’d keep Lillyman? I wouldn’t have in the Warriors 17 but then again I’m not a mong like the current coach. On Friday night he only used 16 of his 17 man squad against a side who ran out of troops and interchanges the final 10 or so minutes.

        Picked Lillyman for his usual effort, 47 metres, 7 hit ups, gives away 2 penalties, missed 6 or so tackles. Great servant and contributor!

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