No chance of AFL State of Origin, as Tasmania’s state of oblivion continues

Tim Lane Columnist

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    It’s a good thing the football competition is in a state of wild unpredictability, because lately there haven’t been too many headline-grabbing controversies.

    Last week, the jumper-punch was about as big as it got. The only other contender for the week’s desperate headline award was State of Origin.

    You know things are quiet when that old chestnut bobs up. Commenting as one occasionally accused of a misty-eyed longing for aspects of a bygone game, I see no future for regular contests between the states.

    The fact is, interstate football has never been particularly popular in Victoria, clearly the most populous of the AFL heartland states. That’s a bad start.

    Back when I was a kid, the football states came together every four years for what was known as a carnival. That name is a bit misleading as it suggests something less than serious competition, and the carnivals were serious. But Victoria virtually always won, and won pretty easily.

    Not only did the Vics win, they won with what were usually below full-strength teams. The reason for this was the reluctance of the VFL to excessively compromise its club competition, which usually continued for the fortnight of the carnival.

    The Victorian team was thus chosen according to a quota system: no club being forced to give up so many players as to be severely weakened.

    If further evidence is required of Victoria’s historic indifference to battles between the states, consider the Centenary Carnival in 1958.

    That was the year the Australian game turned 100. A carnival was played as a celebration: in Melbourne, of course, because that was where it had all begun. The Victorian Football League actually took a two-week hiatus in deference.

    What a great idea! Why, there were even night games at the old Lakeside Oval in South Melbourne, although the big matches were staged on the MCG.

    And guess what? The people in football’s heartland state stayed away in droves. The two showpiece matches were the VFL’s games against South Australia and Western Australia on the MCG, played on the two Saturday afternoons of the Carnival.

    The former fixture drew 33,063 and the latter 23,238. Those games apart, the largest crowd of the fortnight was 7,200 for the clash of traditional rivals, the VFL and VFA.

    Yes, there has been an occasional upsurge of interest in the State of Origin concept, such as in 1989 when 92,000 attended a match between Victoria and South Australia at the MCG. But, generally, interest has been greater when the matches have been played outside Victoria. Apart from anything else, it gives the smaller states a better chance of winning.

    So, there’s nothing to be too misty-eyed about at the loss of state-versus-state football. The reality is that interstate bragging rights are now determined by outcomes in the AFL. South Australia is currently flying, while WA is wobbly. Nowadays, the erstwhile second division states also have a stake.

    The banana benders haven’t been faring well lately, but bobbed up with a couple of wins last week. NSW, meanwhile, now provides two highly competitive teams.

    Brisbane Lions celebrate a goal

    (AAP Image/Glenn Hunt)

    Then there’s Tassie. And yes, without apology, I do become misty-eyed at the state of the game in my own state of origin. Back in 1958, Tasmania beat both WA and SA over a three-day period.

    One hundred years into the code’s history, it ranked a solid equal-second in the nation with those two. And look at it now.

    Yet, despite the fact that its local competitions have been rendered almost totally irrelevant by the AFL’s popularity, the state has continued to produce elite-level contributors.

    Currently, on my quick count, it has 29 on AFL lists. It can also lay claim to three of the competition’s 18 coaches. Last weekend, the island state flew under the radar as usual but its stars soared high.

    Highest of all went Jeremy Howe, with his incredible leap and mark on the Queen’s Birthday.

    The ‘speccy’, the ‘hanger’, the ‘hover’… call it what you will, is the game’s ultimate crowd-pleasing skill. Howe is arguably the most prolific exponent since John Coleman in the 1950s. His name can now be mentioned among those few special players for whom it’s worth paying the admission.

    Also, last weekend, the teams coached by Brendon Bolton, Rodney Eade, and Chris Fagan all won. First time it’s happened.

    Each man is striving to turn the fortunes of clubs which have lately struggled. Then there was Liam Jones; a player who seemed destined for the scrap-heap but who starred against GWS and suddenly appears to have found new life.

    This week it might be Jack Riewoldt or Ben Brown. Throw in Toby Nankervis, Tom Bellchambers, Grant Birchall, the Kolodjashnij twins, Aaron Hall, Mitch Robinson, Jimmy Webster, Mav Weller and so on, and Tasmania’s contribution lives on.

    And its reward? Well, its taxpayers are forced to pay millions of dollars each year just to have a handful of games played on its grounds.

    Meanwhile, the AFL continues to have no intention of granting the state its own team. Forget state of origin, Tasmania is football’s state of oblivion.

    Tim Lane
    Tim Lane

    Tim Lane is one of the most respected voices in Australian sport, having gained a strong following for his weekly AFL column in The Age. Tim has also called 32 AFL/VFL grand finals and was behind the microphone for Cathy Freeman's memorable gold medal at the Sydney Olympics. You can catch him on Twitter @TimLaneSport.

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    • June 15th 2017 @ 8:17am
      BAZ said | June 15th 2017 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      Agree they can hardly be the national game if there’s no team in Tassie. Same way as NRL is not national it should be called ECMRL (East Coast Mainland Rugby League)

      This is where cricket leads the way with a team in Every state which i think is awesome.

    • Roar Guru

      June 15th 2017 @ 8:35am
      Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

      SoO has no place in AFL. It is nothing but a practice match, even less important or relevant than any JLT series game. I’d never want to see my sides flag hopes compromised so players can risk injury and further wear and tear for a game that means nothing.

      What you left out is at last years draft it was the first time Tassie failed to produce a single draftee. There is no doubt Tassie is a growing concern. There are issues in the state that aren’t the sole responsibility of the AFL. The state is clearly not ready to support a single fulltime team.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 8:43am
        Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        Cat – I agree that SoO is a quaint concept of the past but I reckon your ongoing potting of Tasmania is way off the mark – the neglect of the state by the AFL is exactly why there were no draftees last year.

        If the population of Geelong can support a team then Tasmania can too.

        • Roar Guru

          June 15th 2017 @ 9:02am
          Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

          Neglect by the AFL or poor management by AFL Tasmania?

          • June 15th 2017 @ 9:30am
            Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

            The AFL and AFL Tas are kind of indivisible but the resources provided to the state for player development are derisory.

            Strangely enough the current version of the State League has also been undermined by the Hawks and Roos deals that take focus away from it.

            • Roar Guru

              June 15th 2017 @ 11:22am
              Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

              And the Hawks and Roos deals only exist because of the Tasmania State Government funding. That’s not the AFL’s fault. Perhaps the State gov’t money would be better off fixing up facilities for the TSL and getting the state comp strong again.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 11:45am
                Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

                Respectfully that’s muddled thinking, Cat.

                Grassroots development (including player development) is the stewardship responsibility of the AFL whereas the govt’s role in funding AFL games aligns with its economic development responsibility (tourism, brand promotion etc.).

              • Roar Guru

                June 15th 2017 @ 11:56am
                Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

                AFL Tasmania is the governing body for Australian rules football in Tasmania. The organisation is responsible for game development in the state. The organisation is affiliated with the Australian Football League and used to be known as Football Tasmania.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 1:56pm
                Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

                who funds AFL Tas?

              • June 15th 2017 @ 2:29pm
                Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

                I’ll answer my own question

                The AFL currently grants $2 million to Tasmania annually while the Tas Govt kicks in $500k.

                The recent Garlick Report recommended that the AFL increase its contribution to between $3 million and $3.5 million.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 11:08am
        mdso said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

        Tassy have been offered a women’s team. Instead of the continual why can’t we have a AFL men’s team, why not take up the offer of a Tassy Women’s team and then; the door is ajar for other things to happen.

        The AFL are more a rule unto themselves than they have ever been. Whinging and bitching doesn’t seem to work, the change the rules whenever they feel like it and without much outside AFL House consultation – I think a women’s team in Tassy would be awesome and it just may open some doors that have been firmly closed @ AFL House for yonks.
        I for one am all for a AFLM team in Tassy. I would also like to see a team in Canberra.

        Until Tassy get a team, the game is NOT truly a National game.

        • Roar Guru

          June 15th 2017 @ 11:24am
          Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

          Tassy have been offered a women’s team.

          According to who and in what league? Sure isn’t the AFLW.

          Until Tassy get a team, the game is NOT truly a National game.


        • June 15th 2017 @ 1:59pm
          Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

          yeah I’m not sure a Tas AFLW team is official yet but I reckon it will happen as a sop to Tasmania for not backing a men’s team.

          It will probably be a joint Roos/Tassie licence which is better than nothing but continues the second rate treatment all the same.

          • Roar Guru

            June 16th 2017 @ 8:54am
            Cat said | June 16th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

            It would have to be tied to an existing club, the AFL has said there will be no stand alone AFLW clubs.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 2:19pm
        Joe said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

        I usually agree with your comments when I see them Cat, but that’s a load of crap. Tasmania “clearly” not ready to support an AFL team? Can you back that up with any facts? What criteria specifically is Tasmania failing?

        If there’s any sure way of supporting the game in Tasmania, it’s finally giving one of the original heartlands of the sport a team.

      • June 16th 2017 @ 12:54am
        Powerboy said | June 16th 2017 @ 12:54am | ! Report

        Good old 20 games a year Cat….but none of them in Tasmania… all at safe Simmons or the G. That’s how blinkered your view is. Geelong would have been useless over the last 15 years without their infinite father/son concessions.
        Tasmania deserve a team way more that several Melbourne clubs who can barely raise 15,000 fans in a stadium with a roof. Talk about fair weather fans! A Tassie team playing 8 games a year on arctic grounds would really show the league who the tough teams really are.
        As for a womens team…. Jacquie Lambie at CHB would be more than enough to build a team around.

        • Roar Guru

          June 16th 2017 @ 8:58am
          Cat said | June 16th 2017 @ 8:58am | ! Report

          Power would be history if the AFL didn’t grant them emergency assistance a couple years ago, the extra expense to roll out the tarps to cover half the stands at Port home games must have been very expensive.

      • Roar Pro

        June 16th 2017 @ 8:42am
        Spencer Kassimir said | June 16th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        Hey again @Cat,

        As you know, I could not disagree more regarding SoO so here we go again.

        When looking at other sports competitions such as soccer or rugby union, the extra-league i.e. international and intercompetition, matches are simply considered part and parcel of being a professional team and, not to forget, a major source of local pride and revenue.

        The idea that the AFL sides should be immune to this perceived “additional” challenge is very stagnant in thinking and execution.

        If a southern state SoO were to be executed, it would be a great event but, as @Tim Lane already pointed out, the most concentrated number of teams are in the greater Melbourne, VIC region so it is unlike to come about unless there is the gumption and pressure from South Australia, Tasmania, and Western Australia.

        Regarding an AFL side in Tasmania, the population is likely not the issue but the up front and ability/interest that would maintain ecconomic profitability, let alone solvency at the current costs of having an Aussie rules team.

        Greater Geelong has a population of around 211,000, Green Bay, WI has 306,000 (including the two surrounding counties but only 104,900 for the city alone), and Tasmania has 515,000 but over a significantly larger area. Devenport to Launceston is 75 minutes drive and from there to Hobart is just shy of three hours.

        • Roar Guru

          June 16th 2017 @ 9:21am
          Cat said | June 16th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

          Sure SoO is a money spinner for the NRL, but at what cost? Crowds and interest in the actual competition suffer as a result. Does one offset the other? I’m not even going to claim to know the answer.

          From a team point of view, would you rather have the greatest chance for team success or would you rather have a select few of your players win individual gongs in a practice game? I’d go for team success every single time. Pretty sure every player in the AFL would prefer a Premiership medallion over a Brownlow, Coleman, Club best and fairest, etc.

          SoO also works for the NRL because it is majority a two state competition, and balanced between them. AFL has no such quaint lines to divide teams into. Any ‘rivalry’ for an AFL SoO would be nothing more than manufactured baloney. The real rivalries in AFL are Hawks v. Geelong, Collingwood v. Carlton etc. No matter how you divide the AFL up none of it will ever come close to the rivalries that already exist. Why devalue the greatness of what is there for a wishy-washy concept that rewards nothing and serves no purpose?

    • June 15th 2017 @ 9:08am
      Rob said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

      I use to love SOO but was at the last Vic v SA game at the G and conceeded with the other 22000 that showed up on a wet miserable Melbourne day it was over.

      I blamed Western Australia, Mick Malthouse and the West Coast Eagles for not taking it seriously – but then the AFL wernt taking it seriously by then either with the Allies.

      Should have just told all other states to bugger off and copied the NRLs format with Vic v SA in a best of 3 every year.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 11:36am
        Joe B said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

        You blame WA? How many WA players were made available by Vic clubs? You don’t seem to understand that there are WA players in all clubs, as there are from/for other states/clubs as well. WCE was not the state team.
        The article even stated that the VFL only allowed a limited number of players from any individual club be available in 1958. Furthermore, VFL clubs also withheld players for the match you are referring to.

    • June 15th 2017 @ 9:10am
      JJ said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

      Every state should have a team regardless of population. Both Tasmania and Northern Territory should field teams in the competition.

      Go NT Thunder and Tasmanian Devils!

      It’ll give the AFL management something to do and stop focussing on jumper punches!

      • June 15th 2017 @ 5:24pm
        Alicesprings said | June 15th 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

        Would love to see a NT and Tassie team in the AFL!

        Dare say Thunder would have Tassie well covered.

    • June 15th 2017 @ 9:40am
      Johnno said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

      State origin is ruining the NRL comp, e.g. lower club crowds/clubs getting players injured/players coming back tired/players missing games, all this can mean teams might not make the finals or win the comp, but hay it’s all in the bigger picture as state of origin pays the bills right via high TV rights deals, and whinging fans and some club coaches have to get over that right? Ah wrong, Origin is hurting the NRL’s club culture putting it 2nd on the pedestal when it should be first not state of origin. Also the blurred lines of what it is to be from NSW or QLD is blurred these days make’s it more laughable. AFL would have the same problems these days defining what a Victorian is or a South Australian is. Hay didn’t the Vics once want Jason Dunstall even though he was from QLD lol.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 9:48am
        clipper said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        Technically, Johnno, the international fixtures should be first, not club games, although what you say is correct as both AFL and league aren’t international, even though a few people play overseas.
        SoO is a double edged sword for sure, creates big revenue but damages the club game whilst it is the focus. Would be hard to change now.

    • Roar Guru

      June 15th 2017 @ 9:49am
      Paul D said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

      A big part of the reason why Tasmania hasn’t gotten its own team is because you guys can’t get over this ridiculous divide between Hobart and Launceston. If you weren’t so intent on shooting each other in the foot by refusing to support the same side you would have had one by now. Tasmania is already a small enough market as it is to be barely viable, without splitting it in two with this ridiculous parochialism you insist on whipping up down there.

      As usual the mainland gets blamed for not picking up the tab for Tasmania’s indulgence. I note on Wikipedia you moved to Melbourne in 1979 Tim. One of the smarter ones, clearly.

      • June 15th 2017 @ 10:12am
        Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

        sounds like you’ve swallowed City Hall’s official “It’s their own fault” manifesto on Tassie, PaulD.

        BTW Tasmania’s not the regional backwater you seem to believe it is.

        • Roar Guru

          June 15th 2017 @ 10:47am
          Paul D said | June 15th 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

          Your position can scarcely said to be unbiased either, judging from your comments so far – I gather you’re a Tasmanian too?

          You do a good job of hiding it, I’d not have noticed the scar on your shoulder otherwise.

          • June 15th 2017 @ 11:16am
            Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

            haha – my twin brother (my other head) moved to Melb 30 years ago but I’m still here.

            BTW I agree parochialism is an issue but is not an insurmountable one.

            • June 15th 2017 @ 11:26am
              Johnno said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

              where in tassie you live Birdman. Gotta love Danny Buckingham.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 12:02pm
                Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

                I’m a Hobart boy but Danny is def. my era – legend

      • June 15th 2017 @ 11:05am
        olrac said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

        If GWS can split home games between Canberra and Spotless why couldn’t a tassie team split games between the two cities, having their training base where the best facilities are.

        • June 15th 2017 @ 11:22am
          Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

          good point – it works because the AFL are prepared to fund it – much of the financial backing for a Tassie side would be provided by the govt which already pays overs for a taste of AFL which I concede is very welcome but not the same as a stand alone team.

          • June 16th 2017 @ 7:11pm
            Col in paradise said | June 16th 2017 @ 7:11pm | ! Report

            ACT government I think funds it attracts coverage n crowds to Canberra – How much is tassie paying the hawks sponsorship – that would help fund it – and yes two towns sharing it would work n encourage whole of tassie support – problem is the two best names clash with Melbourne clubs – Devils n Tigers !!! Don’t think lobsters, salmon, Abelone or cheese would work as a team nickname although cheese works for the Green Bay Packers !!!

        • Roar Guru

          June 15th 2017 @ 11:27am
          Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

          That would still require North and South to get together and work out the details then present a united pitch to the AFL. They seem as likely to work together, even when it is in their own best interests, as the liberal and labour parties are.

          • June 15th 2017 @ 12:05pm
            Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

            if the AFL gave it the green light it would happen.

            Not sure why you’re so invested against it, Cat – does the thought of a Hawthorn-friendly state bother you?

            • Roar Guru

              June 15th 2017 @ 12:20pm
              Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

              That’s the thing, Tassie needs to prove it can work together and provide the AFL with a realistic proposal. The AFL does not hand them a team first then hope it all works out.
              I have nothing against Tassie. I just don’t see a united front with a realistic proposal. I see a number of factions within the state all doing their own thing. I see the economic realities that sponsorship would be an issue for a full time team. I see the state gov’t bankroll large portions (if not all) of the North and Hawks games, are they willing to spent taxpayer dollars to fully sponsor 11 games if awarded a license? I doubt it. They shouldn’t but its not my tax dollars.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 1:37pm
                Singomate said | June 15th 2017 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

                Get north and south together in Tassie not going to happen. Get Suns up and going? Get Brisbane Lions up and going. Does anyone know where the money really comes from T V not the Afl. And from what is happening in the Media and Corporate World this is not going to last forever fix up what we have got.And stop changing the Rules

              • June 15th 2017 @ 2:05pm
                Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

                BS – the AFL has had plenty of overtures from Tasmania but have shut the door on all of them to date.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 2:29pm
                Joe said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

                Cat, even when the AFL were giving Tasmania the middle finger and focusing on Gold Coast and GWS, a proposal by Tasmania was able to find a $4 million sponsorship deal with Mars Inc.


                Tassie hasn’t been given the chance to make an actual bid, so you can’t claim the state isn’t capable of it. With the AFL ignoring us, we tried anywhere last decade, and had the vast majority of public support. The dedication is there, the passion is there, the fan base is there.

              • Roar Guru

                June 15th 2017 @ 2:54pm
                Cat said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

                That deal was for $4m over 3 years. That works out to be $1.25m/yr. According to GWS 2016 annual statement they made $9,984,172 from Marketing and Sponsorship. So that Mars deal would leave a Tassie team over $8.5m short of the team ‘no one watches’, ‘no one attends’ and ‘no one cares about’. Got another 7 deals like the Mars one waiting to go? Because that’s what its going to take.

              • Roar Guru

                June 15th 2017 @ 3:12pm
                Rick Disnick said | June 15th 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                “That deal was for $4m over 3 years. That works out to be $1.25m/yr.”

                Awesome maths.


                When the tax payers of mainland Australia stop propping Tasmania up, perhaps then will they be capable of sustaining an AFL side.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 6:15pm
                Joe said | June 15th 2017 @ 6:15pm | ! Report

                Your claim (and the claims of others) is that Tasmania wouldn’t find sponsorship. Meaning, you can’t just dismiss that Mars offer, it goes right in the face of your point. No, it might not have been enough of its own, but don’t forget: it came when Tasmania were putting together a PROPOSAL. If I remember right, neither GWS or GC had anything close to the same corporate backing at the time, despite being the actual official new AFL licences. Tassie had little hope and zero help from the AFL, and yet still managed to find support from Mars and others. And I’d much rather the government be funding our own team than throwing it at North or bloody Hawthorn.

                Btw, I reckon Taylor or Stanley will need to kick a few tonight, unless Menzel dominates, but Menz has seemed out of form since McCarthy was injured. We need him back ASAP.

      • Roar Guru

        June 15th 2017 @ 12:19pm
        JamesH said | June 15th 2017 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

        Maybe an AFL team is what we need to unite us, Paul 😉

        Only people from Launceston care about the whole north vs south thing. People from the south and the north-west don’t really seem to give a ****. Unfortunately the State and Federal Governments perpetuate it with pork-barreling.

        • June 15th 2017 @ 2:06pm
          Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:06pm | ! Report

          spot on

      • June 15th 2017 @ 2:35pm
        Joe said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

        Wasn’t expecting that sort of vitriol or bigotry from you Paul. =/ I’d recommend some empathy in future. A state with two fairly equal cities on either side, both with facilities to support an AFL team, both currently hosting AFL games, but both with the knowledge that a Tasmanian team would benefit from picking just one.

        That’s inevitably going to cause conflict, because of this thing called reality. You can chuck a tantrum about it being a Tasmanian “indulgence”, or you can take a step back and recognise that some things are unfortunately complicated.

        • Roar Guru

          June 15th 2017 @ 2:45pm
          Paul D said | June 15th 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

          Wasn’t expecting it? You should read more of my work.

          The people of Launceston should realize that unless they’re prepared to support a Tasmanian team based in Hobart it’s never going to happen and they should get used to North & Hawks for the foreseeable future. Fairly equal cities – don’t make me laugh.

          Re: suggestions to develop empathy, take a number and join the long line of people who have suggested similar.

          Most of what I say here is just pot stirring anyway. Why be a shrinking violet. Boring.

          • June 15th 2017 @ 5:44pm
            Joe said | June 15th 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

            Honestly couldn’t tell if you were pot stirring or spewing vitriol, cos you were very polite the last time you replied to me, and this is a far cry from that.

            On the Launceston vs Hobart argument, I reckon it’s fair to say York Park is a superior stadium for AFL than Bellerive. The clock tower end of the ground leaves half the field in relative silence, and it’s not like that can be easily fixed. I’m a Hobart local, but I can’t deny they have a claim on the better ground. That makes things difficult.

            • Roar Guru

              June 15th 2017 @ 8:34pm
              Paul D said | June 15th 2017 @ 8:34pm | ! Report

              Renovate Hobart and play it there. What’s wrong with a split between grounds anyway? Say 7 games in HObart and 4 in Launceston. Or 6/5.

              Personally I think your biggest issue will be retaining players, can’t see too many being keen to live in Hobart during winter. You’ll need your own academy, like we have in QLD. More $. Anyways, I don’t see it happening.