Five talking points from Springboks vs Wallabies

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    The Wallabies played out another dramatic draw against the Springboks in the Rugby Championship and the latest installment was full of talking points.

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    Izzy’s golden touch continues
    It took just 10 minutes for Israel Folau to continue his try-scoring streak. From an attacking scrum, Will Genia shifted to Bernard Foley who, aided by a Tevita Kuridrani dummy run, whipped an inside ball to Folau on the charge. The fullback went over untouched for his 11th try of the season ‒ a Wallaby record for a calendar year.

    He might be criticised for drifting in and out of games, but you can’t say Folau doesn’t make the most of his opportunities. A reminder that he’s still got games against Argentina, New Zealand, plus the Spring Tour left to extend the record. Eesh!

    Running rugby is alive and well
    As frustrating as two draws might be, it was another cracking Rugby Championship contest. If anyone expected a long distance penalty shootout in Bloemfontein, the players had other ideas.

    Both sides turned down kickable opportunities in favour of set-piece attacks.

    Instead of using the thin high veldt atmosphere for shots at goal, both teams looked to sap the opponent’s energy with ball in hand. It seems an increasingly popular tactic in this competition: start with purpose and try to land the knockout blow early on. You don’t win friends with penalty goals.

    Also a quick shoutout to Ross Cronje’s try-saver on Kuridrani at the 65-minute mark. With a certain try and 8-10 point lead on the cards, the Springbok halfback hurled his entire body into contact, the speed bump sufficient to derail the K-train. It kept them in the game.

    Rocks and diamonds from Beale
    In Kurtley Beale, the Wallabies have a player who provides a crucial spark in transition. It’s the missing link between Foley’s guile and Folau’s finishing. Beale is always sweating on opportunities to turn defence into attack, and it was no surprise to see him heavily involved in unlocking the Springboks defence yet again.

    The flipside is that, despite much improvement, his defence is still shaky. By defending as a supplementary fullback, attackers who break the line can take him on at full tilt. Beale was bumped off on a few occasions, including by the rampaging Siya Kolisi to set up Jan Serfontein’s try.

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    Rob Simmons’ calamitous cameo
    It’s never fun to single out a player for criticism, but Rob Simmons may have inadvertently handed in his Wallabies resignation with his second-half horror show. When Michael Cheika opted for a 6-2 split on the bench, you can bet he was hoping for an impact from his forward reserves.

    Simmons’ first involvement was to be in front of the kicker at the restart, only to double down by taking out the Springboks catcher in the air. The tackle was high as well somehow. He knocked on the next restart, unopposed and unaware. The cherry on the cake was a lazy hospital pass to Samu Kerevi in the final seconds that threatened to stymie the final attack.

    The forward pass that wasn’t
    At the 76-minute mark, with scores level, the Springboks shifted the ball wide left. Reece Hodge rushed up on Andries Coetzee, forcing the fullback to fling a wild pass about three metres forward. The nearside assistant ref was perfectly in line as Courtnall Skosan scooped it up, yet somehow play carried on.

    The subsequent phases resulted in a Springboks penalty and shot at goal which Jantjies missed. There would have been serious uproar had the kick gone over and proven to be the game’s decisive score. Yet the alternative should have been a Wallabies attacking scrum on the 22. Who’s to say they wouldn’t have come up with points of their own?

    All up, it was another enthralling battle between two willing sides. After starting the tournament in disarray, the Wallabies are now in with a strong chance of securing second place behind the All Blacks next week. Third, I suppose, if you count daylight.

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    • October 1st 2017 @ 8:17am
      Highlander said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      Thanks Charlie

      Was an interesting test, a real conflict of excellent execution and awful execution.

      Folaus try scoring record is pretty impressive, should mention that 7 of the 11 have been laid by Foley.

      Grey will probably have another tough week cause that defensive pattern just didn’t work, with too many misses up the middle of the park.

      Both sides have a far better base than at the start of the year, but boy they both bombed some opportunities too.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:21am
        Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

        The answer is still that Beale needs to be moved to fullback, or to 14 where he can interchange with Folau.

        If Hunt is better then he comes in at 12, if not then Hodge or Kerevi slot in there. Beale is playing great football, but he just isn’t able to defend at 12 consistently. Foley is a turnstile but so is Quade, so unless Cheika is going to select Lance (he won’t) we will always be weak defending in the 10 channel. We can afford to compensate for a poor defending 10, but not the 10 and the 12.

        I just don’t see us being consistently competitive until we get a stronger back-row. Hooper is world class and McMahon is very good, but they are both 7s, not 6s or 8s.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:29am
          Neilo said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:29am | ! Report

          Hooper and McMahon with a biggish #8 playing duel roles may be an answer.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:33am
            Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

            Argentina does’t have the strongest line out, so it wouldn’t be the worst time to trust them two of them + Timani to see if it is a possibility or whether it weakens the line out too much.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 2:17pm
              Clifto said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

              I read Timani has been released to return to Oz (along with Arnold!?!?) to play NRC rather than against the Argies. Find this hard to fathom

              • October 1st 2017 @ 4:54pm
                ThugbyFan said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                Rory Arnold must have told M.Cheika that his love-child Ned Flanigan was useless and needed to be replaced. Such disrespect to the All Knowing Wise One would see instant demotion to the NRC. As for Lopeti Timani, the Wise One decided way back in 2013, when he and Timani were at NSW Tahs, that Timani was a sloth who wouldn’t even crack it in SR. The Wise One refuses to believe that said sloth could change, so has scratched a line through his name.

                In reality, I suspect its more to do with Cheika’s “formula” of all players putting in near 80 minutes of speed rugby to run the opposition off their feet. He wants pods of fast moving forwards crunching into or befuddling the defence while the fancy boys play their tricks behind them. Cheika is willing to lose power in the middle and at breakdowns to achieve this “formula”. Remember last year against the Poms, he was even ok to lose scrums and lineouts also. We all saw how well that went! Then Cheika had a Damascus Revelation and realised that lineouts are sorta important, so he brought in D.Mumm who could go for 80 minutes at a reasonable pace and hold the lineouts, Hanigan is a like-for-like replacement, as Peter K says Mumm 2:0. For mine, this is the only explanation why “Chuckles” Cheika persists with N.Hanigan and S.McMahon.

                Lets be honest here, Rory Arnold is slow around the park, but he is a brute in the middle. However Cheika wants a 2nd rower who is even faster and again he is willing to turf the 2nd best lock in Australia to get it. Take a gander at how the Aussie 2nd row has gone with Cheika’s ducks n drakes switching around, its functional but only just. As soon as we got a pretty good lock combo going, Cheika drops it.

                I sometimes wonder if Cheika’s assistants have any input into tactics or team composition. 🙁

              • October 1st 2017 @ 7:35pm
                Reverse Wheel said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

                Our depth at lock actually looks much better than it did at the start of the season. If Cheika’s memo to the slugs is get fit or get lost, then I’m ok with that.

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                October 2nd 2017 @ 3:15pm
                Timbo (L) said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

                Ritchie Arnold has 20 minutes more fitness and is quicker than his slightly older brother Rory.

                He is lighter and makes less of an impact, so not much use to Chieka.

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          October 1st 2017 @ 12:32pm
          Mango Jack said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

          Foley’s defence has improved this year. He will always be a target because of his size, but he’s going in low now , most of the time quite effectively.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 3:04pm
            Connor33 said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

            He stopped Marks, giving away probably 25 kgs.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:15pm
            double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:15pm | ! Report

            He tackles low and with good technique. He’s not scared. The fact is that sometimes a big man will trample a little man. I’d rather see that than the jazz hands and wet shorts of some other blokes.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:35pm
            PiratesRugby said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:35pm | ! Report

            Are you kidding? Foley was a rag doll. He and Beale are not even club standard defenders.
            Now Folet wasn’t hopeless. He made a couple of nice passes to Korobiete which resulted in tries (a fact given little emphasis whereas Folau’s single try receives adulation). But please don’t tell me he is a good defender. He is always the worst defender of the game day 46 players in any fixture. At Test or Super level. You might argue he contributes to the attack in some way (which is lost on me) but he cannot defend. At my age, I could still lay a better tackle than that mutt.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 11:00pm
              double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

              Did I say he was a good defender? Try reading.

              Btw does Pirates refer to West Harbour?

        • October 1st 2017 @ 5:11pm
          ThugbyFan said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

          Fionn, I don’t want K.Beale anywhere near the fb position. In this game 13th min: KB takes an up-n-under kick from the SB with no pressure and promptly drops the ball. About 20th min: KB is brushed off defending deep as a SB forward (U.Cassiem I think) makes a break in traffic, luckily B.Foley tackles the SB before any damage. And who can forget KB, defending deep as a 2nd fb again, being brushed off by Siya Kolisi early in the 2nd half.

          So the bloke you want as fb can’t catch high balls nor defend against players with some momentum. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Folau may have poor positional aspects to his game but to be sure, he can catch and if a bloke does make a break, at least Izzy can pull his hair and slow him down. 🙂

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:17am
        Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:17am | ! Report

        ‘Laid on’ is a pretty big exaggeration for Folau’s tries.
        Just watched the recording. Folau was immense in this game, as was Genia. Hooper brilliant. Both sides played some great rugby. Referee was good, touchies not so good. No need to focus on forward passes. They happen in every game. I will focus on just how well Cheika has this team playing. Even Foley is going ok. Still a couple of bad errors from him every match, like that kick to the corner at 27 minutes that went out in goal.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 8:30am
      Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:30am | ! Report

      Interesting how Beale and not Foley are described as rock and diamonds, for Foley had better examples of both! Saw the rocks, or sand is probably more apt, but where were the diamonds?

      The only pass that a tually was three meters forward was Foleys to Korobeite, its jus the matter of whether it came backwards from his hands or not, but Ill guess we’ll hear little more about that one…

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:45am
        Redsfan1 said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        Na Foley had a great game.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:41pm
          PiratesRugby said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:41pm | ! Report

          Another great game from Foley and still no victory. Rugby is about as popular as basketball in Australia right now. Melbourne Storm and Richmond Tigers took a hard look at themselves and made serious changes. Success has come. But the Wallabies will never win a Bled or RWC with Foley and Cheika.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:45am
        Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        The usual suspects flood our discussion boards with negative comments after every match. So sad and pathetic. They love to claim a chip. I can see one about as big as Australia. Exactly that big, actually, lol.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:50am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

          Morning Drongo.

          Cheer up chum?

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am
            Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

            Good morning, Taylorman. Great to wake up early and watch some great rugby. Before anyone else is up. Poached eggs and tea, all for me.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 9:29am
              Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:29am | ! Report

              Good on you. Had last nights chicken leftovers myself, rolled them up into a kebab, add some lettuce and greens and of course a bit of chilli! Not your normal Sunday breaky but there you go!?

              • October 1st 2017 @ 12:20pm
                Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

                Sound good to me. No doubt went down well with another AB win.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:39am
            dcd said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:39am | ! Report

            To be fair Fionn is a massive crybaby

            • October 1st 2017 @ 10:40am
              Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              Which is why I’m happy with the match and the result?

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:06am
          Jake said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

          Yes, and first thing on a Sunday morning too. Ain’t got much of a life some of them.

          “hmmm it’s Sunday morning, what will I do? I know. I’ll get on the net and write negative stuff about Aussie rugby”.

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        October 1st 2017 @ 9:19am
        eagleJack said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:19am | ! Report

        Foley’s pass to Koroibete was fine. Out of the hands backwards, hit the mark. Never seen one of them called back.

        Foley’s to Folau was more questionable. But again when a player stops dead in his tracks, and throws an inside ball it often looks more exaggerated. Happy for it to be let go. But you do see those pulled back.

        A draw was a fair result to what was an entertaining game.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:22am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

          Yep, thats how I saw it in the end.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:21am
          soapit said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

          agree, big question on the one to folau but they rarely call up these inside balls as forward no matter where they go so it would be unlucky if that was the one time they enforced it.

          also agree with the rest fair result tho reckon SA bombed a couple of big chances at the end with gaps eveywhere and just couldnt ifnd the right options to find them.

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        October 1st 2017 @ 9:33am
        Handles said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

        Why make stuff up to try and prove a point? There are lines on the ground that show distance from the tryline. Foley throws the Korobeite ball from two metres behind the 5 metre line, or 7 metres out. Korobeite takes it AT LEAST a metre behind that.

        The ball from Foley to Folau for the first try could have been forward, replays were not conclusive. But Foley to Korobeite was beyond doubt perfect.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 1:12pm
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

          You must be talking about the second try. The first was defintely caught two to three Meters after it left Foley. Its just the pass back, momentum forward that meant it wasnt forward.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:19pm
            double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:19pm | ! Report

            Two to three metres? WTF?

        • October 1st 2017 @ 5:43pm
          ThugbyFan said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

          G’day Handles, long time no see. B.Foley sent two passes to Koroibete, the first from a Foley line break, he sends about 10m pass to his right. Hits MK perfectly who scoots over for his first WB try. The 2nd was about 8 minutes later, ball sent from ruck (W.Genia) to Foley who throws a beautiful 15-20m pass to his left to Koroibete who against just has to catch and run, albeit a speed bump called Ross Cronje was in his way to the tryline. Poor Cronje was pretty hurt from that, who about 4 mins later had to take on T.Kuridrani charging at the same place.

          Bernie Foley’s runs and passes set up both tries. For mine, I thought Ross Cronje was MotM or B.Foley.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 8:43am
      RedandBlack said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

      What do I want out of rugby? – first and foremost a physical contest – and then high skilled action, mistakes, fatigue – in a word excitement. This match delivered – well played Wallabies and Bok’s – and well controlled officials (that nearly killed me but the attitude of the officials directly effects the quality of the game). I am predicting fine EOY tours for both these teams.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 1:18pm
        ethan said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

        Well said mate, very enjoyable test match. And when all anyone is harping on about is one missed forward passed that thankfully didn’t affect the scoreline (and was the touchies call anyway, as he was right beside it), then you know the referee had a good game. Everyone criticizes Cheika for blowing up about the referees, yet everyone does the like themselves. Credit where its due, thought it was some of the best refereeing I’ve seen all year.

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          October 1st 2017 @ 2:08pm
          PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

          agree, a ref who got rucks and scrums mainly right, and was consistent in those areas

        • October 1st 2017 @ 3:12pm
          Redsfan1 said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

          I feel that the referee was fair to both teams. A few went forward from both teams.

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      October 1st 2017 @ 8:56am
      Machpants said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:56am | ! Report

      Just finished watching, a good match for the neutrals but pretty scrappy. Cheika once again claiming the we was robbed by the officials, then out right lying about Folau hair pulling. I thought coaches weren’t allowed to criticize referees? WR and our SANZAAR need to come down on that hard, both in game from players and after from coaches, it’s really not a good look.

      Folau not pulling hair ?

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        October 1st 2017 @ 9:15am
        eagleJack said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        Will be interesting to see what comes of the overreaction by Etzebeth to the incident.

        The footage of course went “missing” during the game. But you quite often see those sort of incidents reversed in that situation. Hooper also claimed he used an elbow. My guess is no footage will prove “conclusive”

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:24am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

          You think that was an overreaction? Geez. Add Beales flying into that as well. He had nothing to do with it but flew into Eben.

          I have no sympathy for long hair players but can understand Ebens reaction. It wasnt just a short grab, Folau was yanking on it oretty hard.

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            October 1st 2017 @ 9:33am
            atlas said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

            It never happened, you have poor vision!

            Leyds confirmed after the match that Folau “100 per cent” pulled him by the hair twice.
            “(Folau) grabbed the guy around the collar. OK, that’s a high tackle. I understand. That’s a penalty, I’m down with that,” Cheika said
            When challenged on his version of events, Cheika told a South African reporter: “You’ve got to watch the vision. He got him by the collar.”

            • October 1st 2017 @ 6:22pm
              SandBox said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

              Didn’t the Saffas have a competition for who could pull George Smith’s Dredds? Just when I thought they had outgrown their unique, and immature, combaintaion of dirty play and hypocrisy, it’s back. If it was ever truly gone

              • October 1st 2017 @ 8:08pm
                NOTASaffaSpy said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

                Really SandBox, you’re an Aussie and you call us dirty? NZ and Aus pretty much invented cheating in sport.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 9:21pm
              double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:21pm | ! Report

              He had him by the collar slipped his grip and then the hair. It’s not the end of the world.

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            October 1st 2017 @ 9:43am
            eagleJack said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

            Whether I believe it’s an overreaction or not is irrelevant. You quite often see those situations resulting in a reversal of the penalty. The fact that the network chose not to show the replay was typical of what to expect in South Africa.

            I guarantee if the roles were reversed the replay would have been shown on the big screen to draw the referees attention to it. Much like we saw with Messam’s hit on Burger a few years ago.

            No doubt all footage now has been accidentally wiped. Yeah sorry we don’t have a camera angle for that one.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 12:10pm
          cm said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

          The hair pulling was disgraceful but, yes, he blatantly used an elbow. I was yelling for an official to intervene.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 5:28pm
          ThugbyFan said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

          G’day EJ, am watching a replay of the match now. Firstly I.Folau definitely pulls the SB winger’s hair (I think its Courtnall Skosan). Initially Folau grabs his collar but Folau is falling and the winger is wriggling almost free of Folau’s grasp until all he has left in his mitts are the bloke’s hair. Folau doesn’t let go as he falls backwards so in effect he is pulling the bloke’s hair. Then Eben Etzebeth and another SB charge in at Folau, EE throws a handbag at him, more a slap than a punch and certainly NOT an elbow. I don’t think EE has anything to answer for.

          I will admit while watching the match that I thought it odd the ground tv director showed a replay of Izzy taking up a career in hair stylist but not showing the EE charge in. After M.Hooper’s comment to the referee I will admit that I suspected the SA director was trying to cover up, but its looks fine.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:31am
        Ian T said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

        My 15 year old son is too often happy enough to have got close, and be confident he could have won, if only the ref…, if only the ball bounced… etc etc etc.

        This is the environment that Chieka seems happy to be creating – excuses for not winning, rather than determination to win.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:41am
          Reverse Wheel said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

          Winning is a habit. The wallabies don’t have it. No Aussies have it now. But we are getting closer and it just takes a couple of wins to get that belief and then this team could be good.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:30am
            anotherarmchaircritic said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

            I disagree that no Australian team has a winning habit. The Matildas have the winning habit, and good attitude. The Australian Women’s Cricket Team also have the winning habit, and good attitude. And let us not forget our men’s and women’s hockey teams.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:13am
        Craig said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        In Izzy’s defense I remember from my religious classes the Bible making mention of not being allowed to play rugby with a man bun. Somewhere between being allowed to sell your daughter into slavery and stoning people to death for adultery.

        Should have been a yellow. Cheeks once again behaving like a spoilt teenager not getting his way. Embarrassing behavior.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:42am
          Reverse Wheel said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          Almost as embarrassing as the keyboard warriors lining up every Sunday morning to find something to blame Cheika for.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 10:50am
            Craig said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

            Where is the blame on Cheika in my comment Reverse? Do you not find it ridiculous that it seems after every game the Wallabies don’t win Cheika has a go at the officials? However with the now infamous Scottish quarter final he was of the opinion that some calls go for you, some against you – that being the nature of the beast having a human ref.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 12:44pm
              Morsie said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

              There you go again.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 4:27pm
            timber said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

            It hardly needs finding, Cheika’s rants and raves from his soapbox with churlish regularity.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:23pm
          double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:23pm | ! Report

          A Yellow???!!!

    • October 1st 2017 @ 9:22am
      Dave_S said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

      Haven’t watched it yet – how did Dempsey and Rodda go?

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        October 1st 2017 @ 9:38am
        Handles said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:38am | ! Report

        Dempsey a major improvement from Hannigan. Made a couple of clutch tackles and was visible at breakdowns.

        Rodda solid but not really accurate enough. Lineout in particular needs work, and scrum looked a little weak on his side, although they were successful overall.

        Neither let the side down.

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          October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am
          Timbo (L) said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

          I thought Rodda’s Lineout technique was woeful. Handed over 2 or 3 penalties for what I would like to think was over exuberance.It’s an experience thing, and an international is not the place to learn your trade. Didn;t see and stand out performance in other areas justifying his selection but it is difficult to look good against a Bok pack.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 11:49am
            Dave_S said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:49am | ! Report

            Did we throw to Dempsey at all?

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              October 2nd 2017 @ 3:19pm
              Timbo (L) said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

              I think he got 1 or 2

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            October 1st 2017 @ 12:32pm
            PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

            Rodda only gave away 1 penalty the other was McMahon, both for grabbing the player in the air

            • October 1st 2017 @ 2:54pm
              Bfc said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

              I would have thought as the least experienced lock, Rodda would not have been the one to directly oppose Etzebeth…? Mostert is no ‘mug’ but surely our most experienced lineout jumper should have marked Etzebeth (jeez the guys is a beast and already so good…and still only in his mid 20s?) on the Bokke throw in…?
              Kudos to both sides for trying to win by running the ball, but still think it is a bit naive to turn down “kickable” penalties…Foley could have attempted a couple of closer range ones and Hodge has the range for one of the later penalties.

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              October 2nd 2017 @ 3:20pm
              Timbo (L) said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

              He also made an early tackle.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:28pm
            double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

            A major bugbear for me about Rugby is insignificant penalties. Two blokes up in the air for the lineout. One grabs the other for two seconds then lets go. Penalty. Did they still win the lineout? Yes. Was the delivery of ball to the 9 slowed? No. Is it really worth 3 points. NO! Play on. Have a word at next lineout.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:36am
              In Brief said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:36am | ! Report

              They were probably shouldn’t have been penalties as the player wasn’t tackled in the air, and the arms weren’t even wrapped, they just ‘looked’ bad.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am
      Ian T said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

      Why the fascination in Australia (ARU and public) with Folau. Yes he can jump high, and run strong and straight, and sure he has finished off a lot of try’s. Watch this mornings game without blinkers on – maybe it would have been worth forgoing his one try, for someone with improved work and nous everywhere else.

      Oh – thats right, who else is there

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:37am
        Dave_S said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

        You’re sick of outside backs setting try-scoring records? How many pilfers do you want him to get?

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          October 1st 2017 @ 11:20am
          Timbo (L) said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

          Maybe making a defensive tackle without giving a way a penalty would be nice.

          Koribete scored 2 tries, does that make him twice as good as Folau, or are the number of tries scored by wingers just a product of the rest of the team.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 11:27am
            Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

            The criticism of Folau is really overblown, just like the claim that he is the Messiah.

            He is the best attacking player in the team, and possibly the best one on one attacker in the world.

            He doesn’t have the array of skills or rugby intelligence of Ben Smith (he won’t do the playmaking, perfect kicking or unbelievable defence) but we don’t select Folau to be the world’s best defender or play make. We select him to field the high balls, for his destructive runs and to score tries.

            He is doing all of this to an extent this year that I don’t think he has ever done before. He’s playing fantastic rugby.

            Drew Mitchell put it well when he said ‘this isn’t a criticism of the way he plays, because the way he plays is great, but he plays more like a winger than a fullback, he doens’t pop in at first receiver, he just takes the ball and runs better than anyone else, so put him on the wing’.

            This is absolutely the case and I hope he is moved there. If not, put Beale on the right wing and have the two of them operate interchangeably. They’re by far our two best attacking players (Kerevi would make the holy trinity if he were brought back into the fold).

            • October 1st 2017 @ 1:10pm
              Tissot Time said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

              Therein is the rub. He does not do his core role completely.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 1:13pm
                Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

                If he was selected as a wing, as he should, then he would be the best winger in the world.

                He is essentially playing as a winger with the fullback jersey on, and he is by far our best attacking player, is still great under the high ball and seems to have increased his defensive work-rate.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 1:47pm
                John said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

                He’s being selected at 15 and is also the best fullback in he world right now!

                Folau is a good problem for Australian Rugby – you can debate where to play him all day long as people do, but wherever you put him he’ll play well.

                Overnight he broke his own pa Wallabies record for tries and by the end of this year it’s highly likely he’ll break the world record.

                Will also be named best fullback (if not best player) of the Rugby Championships.

                Enjoy it!

              • October 1st 2017 @ 3:07pm
                Tissot Time said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

                IF hides many truths and untruths. But truth is he is playing fullback not wing.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 1:15pm
                PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                he is even kicking deep well, last 3 games, so there goes the myth that he can’t kick

              • October 1st 2017 @ 5:49pm
                Dave said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

                John’s back, must have taken ages to extricate himself from Folau’s butt

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                October 2nd 2017 @ 3:28pm
                Timbo (L) said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

                He was playing on the wing when he “collared” Ledys.
                He was a lost puppy in backfield when he decided not to catch that deep kick kick.

                He is only 1/2 a player, I want half of that $2.5 Million back thank you very much, At $300k each, we can buy 4 players that can defend.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 4:26pm
              DavSA said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

              Hi Fionn , Folau for my money was man of the match and Cheika with his constant “we are victims” comments is a pumpkin.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 6:08pm
                ThugbyFan said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:08pm | ! Report

                LoL DavSA, the transformation for M.Cheika from man to pumpkin happens at midnight. B.Foley turns to Cindarella, the ugly sisters (props) turn to stallions to pull the pumpkin and of course, Izzy turns to the Prince.

                In a sequel, Izzy begins a night collage course as a hair stylist. His first customer is Dillyn Leyds. 🙂

          • October 1st 2017 @ 12:02pm
            Dave_S said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

            No, one game does not prove the issue, but clearly he’s a record-breaking tryscorer across a now long period. I saw the numbers in the paper the other day, of tries per test by Aus backs – I think only Campo and Latham were in the same class (about 50% strike rate).

            He is not the best defender but he’s not a liability either. He’s not a game manager but he’s hardly a brain-snap artist either.

            Not saying he’s perfect and I haven’t seen anyone else say he is.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 4:49pm
              DavSA said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

              Dave , Nick Bishop recently called him the best one on one finisher in world rugby . I totally agree . Like any naturally talented athlete it all seems to come so easy , if not too easy for him . Usain Bolt would be another example .It almost frustrates people because somehow us mortals seem to think that because of their relative effortlessness they could have tried harder , put in more effort for an even better outcome . I know a few in New Zealand and the NH countries will fully disagree and confusingly enough even in Australia , but for me Folau is the most valuable player in the game today….anywhere.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 6:35pm
                Dave_S said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:35pm | ! Report

                DavSA, not sure which of us Dave’s you’re addressing, but I agree Folau is one of a kind.

                The number of “perfect” rugby players is maybe a handful in the whole history of the game, and yet Folau is repeatedly criticised for not being one of them. Strange.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 6:50pm
                DavSA said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

                Was reponding to you Dave S . The other Dave suffers from anti Folau syndrome.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 5:51pm
              Dave said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:51pm | ! Report

              You must have missed fanbois John’s man love over the year

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:34pm
            double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:34pm | ! Report

            Churlish and miles off your best there Timbo!!

            • Roar Guru

              October 2nd 2017 @ 3:37pm
              Timbo (L) said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

              Churlish ~ rude in a mean-spirited and surly way.
              I had to go and look that one up.

              I will own that, proudly.

              Take any successful team in world rugby (Ireland, England and NZ) and find me players that are great in attack and sub-standard in defense or any role required of their position or are out of form.

              I can only think of Bouden Barret (last year) and Julian Savia. Both of which got sent back to the minor leagues to get better before they were invited back to play for their country.

              In Australia we Gold Plate their contacts and complain that the proles selected to do the defensive work are under performing. This is a problem Deep in the organization.

              We must get out of the habit of hero worshiping players from he highlights reel and start recognizing talent and contributions in defense.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:30am
        John said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

        Might be because he can jump high, runs strong and straight, and scores a lot of tries…

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      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:43am
        Reverse Wheel said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        Forehead slap.

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