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Nine South Australians the Crows should trade for instead of Bryce Gibbs

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    Bryce Gibbs’ hypothetical homecoming trade to the Adelaide Crows looks less and less likely now that Tom Rockliff and Devon Smith have said no to Carlton.

    The Blues have a stated aim of gathering more midfield depth this offseason to support their developing young stars, and both Rockliff and Smith would have fit the bill perfectly.

    Recruiting them would have meant they had some range to explore the idea of letting Bryce Gibbs go home to the Crows, possibly in return for a top-ten draft pick or more.

    Instead, a Gibbs trade would now leave their midfield even thinner. While they might still be able to find some mature bodies – perhaps players like Anthony Miles or Chris Masten – they won’t be of the quality that Rockliff and Smith are.

    For that reason they will probably once again say no to letting Bryce Gibbs go, unless Adelaide are willing to pony up a truly gargantuan trade offer, and that seems unlikely. He’s a contracted player, so that is their right.

    Bryce Gibbs Carlton Blues AFL 2017

    It’s a bummer for Adelaide though, who also have to cop the loss of Jake Lever and Charlie Cameron to their home states.

    The Crows are clearly prickly about this state of affairs. Despite offering plenty as a place to play football, they’ve had rotten luck retaining talent from interstate in years gone by.

    Like Fremantle last year, it’s time for them to lean into the wind and turn their focus to bringing locals home. If Victorians and Queenslanders want to poach their players, well, two can play at that game.

    Adelaide will have plenty of draft pick currency to get deals done with – they’re sure to land two, maybe three top 20 picks for the departures of Lever and Cameron – and who wouldn’t want to come home and play in a team pushing for a premiership? That shouldn’t be a hard sell.

    Gibbs appears to be a lost cause due to his contract situation, but he’s not the only South Australian star playing in the AFL.

    I’ve put together this list of nine local talents Adelaide should consider trying to lure home in the next two weeks – or perhaps in 2018 and beyond.

    These suggestions are purely hypothetical – I’m not saying they’ll happen, or that they’re even realistic. But there’s nothing wrong with the Crows making a phone call.

    James Aish
    Age: 21.
    Contract status: Unconfirmed.
    Trade value: Second-round pick.
    Realism level: Plausible.

    In his four-year career to date Aish has spent two years at the Lions and two years at Collingwood. He was a regular at Brisbane but hasn’t been able to cement himself as a Magpie.

    Safe to say things aren’t going the way he might have hoped, but he was one of the very best as a junior and is young enough to bounce back. He wouldn’t cost too much in terms of salary or trade value and would surely be open to a move after playing plenty of VFL this year.

    Caleb Daniel
    Age: 21.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: First-round pick.
    Realism level: Very unlikely.

    Everyone’s favourite pocket rocket, already a premiership player at the Bulldogs –
    he’d be hard to budge certainly, but could play a really valuable role the Crows adding another layer of midfield dynamism and goal-kicking ability.

    Caleb Daniel Western Bulldogs AFL 2017

    Luke Dunstan
    Age: 22.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: Early second-round pick.
    Realism level: Unlikely.

    Dunstan wowed Saints fans winning a Rising Star nomination in his first game and had an excellent debut season, but hasn’t really managed to progress much further than that and played seven games in the VFL this year.

    His form to close out the season was pretty impressive though. He’s maybe not the most versatile player on earth, but would add some ball-winning depth to Adelaide’s midfield.

    Orazio Fantasia
    Age: 22.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: First-round pick.
    Realism level: Very unlikely.

    Essendon’s Italian stallion had a breakout 2017 and kicked 39 goals for the season. He’s a dangerous forward, but with the traits he has there’s no reason he couldn’t push up the ground in time and play off a wing.

    Crows fans would pretty quickly forget about Charlie Cameron if they replaced him with Fantasia, and with Eddie Betts turning 30 this year there is a need to look towards the future of their small forward department.

    Orazio Fantasia Essendon Bombers AFL 2017

    Aaron Francis
    Age: 20.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: Late first-round pick.
    Realism level: Plausible.

    A high draft pick, but he hasn’t managed to settle into the Bombers’ best 22 in his first two years at the club. With the Dons recruiting the likes of Devon Smith, Jake Stringer and Adam Saad, are they running out of room for him?

    There have been some public questions over his commitment so that is something to be wary of, but never his talent. Could step into Jake Lever’s tallish rebounding defender role, or play forward.

    Sam Mayes
    Age: 20.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: Late first or early second-round pick.
    Realism level: Very unlikely.

    After an excellent debut season Mayes struggled for a few years but really settled into a consistent role and performed well under Chris Fagan in 2017. He started as a forward but has been turned into a defender.

    Daniel Menzel
    Age: 26.
    Contract status: Restricted free agent.
    Realism level: There for the taking.

    Menzel is on the hunt for a new club, with Geelong’s offer to him for next year reportedly a pay cut on what has been a stellar 2017 season. Fremantle are said to be keen on him.

    The Crows could be a good fit though, his brother Troy already plays there. The only question is over his defensive pressure, and whether or not he’s too similar to a player like Mitch McGovern.

    Lachie Neale
    Age: 24.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2019.
    Trade value: Top ten pick.
    Realism level: Very unlikely.

    There was a bit of talk about him possibly moving clubs last year, but this ultimately came to nothing when he signed a three-year extension to stay at Fremantle.

    If the Crows want a mature elite midfielder then he’s the first port of call – and only 24 too. It’d take a huge effort to get him to budge, but a top ten pick (to start with) might tempt Fremantle.

    Lachie Neale Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    Matthew Scharenberg
    Age: 22.
    Contract status: Contracted until the end of 2018.
    Trade value: Second-round pick.
    Realism level: Plausible.

    A high pick at the Pies but injuries have prevented him from playing to his full potential so far. Played great footy in the VFL and then played the last six games of the year at AFL level.

    Would potentially be a great stand-in for Brodie Smith who will spend the year recovering from an ACL injury, and then gives Adelaide some options to rotate through midfield and defence when Smith comes back.

    Josh Elliott
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    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • October 6th 2017 @ 8:03am
      Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 8:03am | ! Report

      I agree Josh that Gibbs leaving Carlton is highly unlikely but I would also say that outside of Menzel and Francis I don’t see any of your9 Moving.

      The Crows could pick up both of those players and still have 3 top 20 picks this year and 2 first rounders next year if the Cameron and lever trades go well.

      If the Crows decide the time is now they could pay the blues asking price and still be well placed in the draft.

      It is highly unlikely and I really hope Gibbs status but stranger things have happened

    • October 6th 2017 @ 8:49am
      Basil said | October 6th 2017 @ 8:49am | ! Report

      Cameron and Gibbs are both under contract but it looks like Adelaide will possibly work with Charlie to get him home.
      Why can’t Carlton do the same?

      • October 6th 2017 @ 9:07am
        Mattyb said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

        To put it simply and bluntly,Silvagnis entitlement issues would be my guess.
        There’s no word yet if Gibbs wants to leave again though,if he does you’d think something will be worked out as the clubs would have had a year to work out something sensible.

        • October 6th 2017 @ 9:14am
          Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

          Could you provide evidence of Silvagni’s entitlement issues?

        • October 6th 2017 @ 9:18am
          Basil said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

          Silvagni … pfft.
          He’ll have no idea on the desire of a player who wants to go home. No empathy whatsoever.
          His dad played at Carlton. He played at Carlton. His son plays at Carlton. 3 generations of Sos that have always played in the same city as where their family lives. Deny a long servant of your club just a little of what you have experienced your whole career. Good onya Sos.

          • October 6th 2017 @ 9:24am
            Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            Basil – SOS is employed by Carlton to ensure they have the best list possible – why should he just roll over because a player who happily signed a long term heavily front ended contract thinks he might like to go home?

            Gibb’s performance this year was hardly that of an unhappy man and he hasn’t rushed out after the season finished to say he wants out this year so why should SOS push him out the door.

            • October 6th 2017 @ 9:36am
              Basil said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

              Cameron is under contract. Gibbs wanted to come home. There is still a human element to this.

              • October 6th 2017 @ 9:40am
                Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

                Basil – see Col’s comments below.

                Also I want to work half the hours for the same pay to pend more time with my family – it doesn’t mean my employer has to agree. And given the blues have effectively already paid him a significant amount for work he has yet to do I can understand their reluctance.

                Plus given the “human element” why doesn’t Adelaide do the humane thing and pay the blues price?

              • October 7th 2017 @ 8:07am
                Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

                Look at Macca go – he’s got his carlton blinkers on again

              • October 6th 2017 @ 9:52am
                Aransan said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:52am | ! Report

                Blame Adelaide for not getting the deal done. Carlton should have been sounded out before they went public with their proposed deal for a contracted player. I agree that Lever is worth two first round draft picks and it is disappointing to see a third year player being offered so much to change clubs, but Adelaide should have offered their first and second round picks for Gibbs, but they wanted Carlton’s third round pick in exchange for their second round pick — little different from just their first round pick.

      • October 6th 2017 @ 9:14am
        Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        Basil – the answer to your question is at the start of the article;

        “The Blues have a stated aim of gathering more midfield depth this offseason to support their developing young stars” “Instead, a Gibbs trade would now leave their midfield even thinner.”

        Also quite simply Cameron’s value to Adelaide is a lot less than Gibbs value to carlton.

        • October 6th 2017 @ 1:38pm
          sammy said | October 6th 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

          I would think if the crows get Motlop as a restricted free agent that that will offset the loss of Cameron who should net either pick 18 or 19 from Brisbane. If the crows can force melbourne up to 2 first round draft picks for Lever even if it means giving them back the crows second, then they would be mad not to go hard at Fremantle to try and lure Neale back home – maybe offer them 2 first round picks and see where that takes them. At 24 years of age he has years ahead of him and would compliment the crows midfield superbly. It would also leave the crows with a couple of picks inside the top 20 in the draft as well

          • October 6th 2017 @ 1:41pm
            Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

            Sammy – I agree that the Crows have to target someone. You don’t get a stockpile of early draft picks that often and given how close they are to a premiership it would be silly to use them all on draft picks.

        • October 7th 2017 @ 8:08am
          Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

          Carlton are in more trouble than we all thought then

    • Roar Guru

      October 6th 2017 @ 9:26am
      Col from Brissie said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:26am | ! Report

      The Crows have stated Cameron is a contracted and required player. If Brisbane don’t offer what the Crows believe Cameron to be worth they said they will not trade him. Exactly the same stance as Carlton with Gibbs.

      • October 6th 2017 @ 9:30am
        Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

        Imagine that – a club doing what is in its own best interests.

        Adelaide have also said they will not send Lever to Melbourne unless they get what they want – what a sense of entitlement,

        • Roar Guru

          October 6th 2017 @ 10:17am
          Col from Brissie said | October 6th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

          I also read that the Bulldogs despite basically kicking Stringer out the door have stated if they do not get what they believe to be fair value will welcome him back.

          • October 6th 2017 @ 10:19am
            Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 10:19am | ! Report

            Yep – they want pick 11 from the bombers or they keep him (good luck with that, I don’t see him accepting the situation as well as Gibbs did last year) and the bombers have said 11 is off the table.

            • October 6th 2017 @ 12:01pm
              Aransan said | October 6th 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

              The Bombers won’t give pick 11 for Stringer, he is more like pick 20 given his baggage. I always thought this was a ploy by the Bulldogs to bring Stringer to his senses, that unless he pulls his socks up he has limited market value. Suitably chastened he will remain at the Bulldogs providing mutual trust between Stringer, the players and the club can be established.

        • October 7th 2017 @ 8:50pm
          fairsuckofthesav said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

          Rubbish! Crows were the only ones that picked Lever,and took a risk on a player recovering form a major knee injury while every other club passed. They then developed him over 3 years to the point where he is now. Lever has said he wants to be closer to family, so why not consider a number of clubs In Victoria? He has said its Melbourne or no trade at all and will put himself into the draft. Blind Freddie can see that the sense of entitlement is with the player here, not to mention all the fibs along the way. ‘I am going to be a one club player, I am just waiting for the new players agreement, It’s not on my mind now, ”Its for family not the money’.

    • October 6th 2017 @ 9:31am
      Craig Delaney said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

      Adelaide don’t need Gibbs. That window closed last year when there were far greater question marks over the Crows’ midfield talent and depth. They should use their high draft picks with a mind to longevity at the top. A number of players are at or near their peak, and then will inevitably fall off that form. Renewal should be front and centre in their thinking.

      They need some tall pace to support the slower key position players like Talia and Walker. Hartigan and Jenkins are quicker than those two, but the former is not fast, and the latter can get up a head of steam, but is in this, like so many things, inconsistent. Keath has some speed but needs to build his aerobics. Doedee is not that tall but has a leap, agility and some pace, a bit like Lever. Looking forward to him and Wigg debuting in 2018. Mc Govern is crucial in covering for Tex in the pace department.

      They’ll need to pick up a mobile ruckman in the 2018 or 2019 draft, with Jacobs 30 next year, and O’Brien a work in progress.

      • October 6th 2017 @ 9:42am
        Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

        Craid – I agree with you, but given the Crows could possibly pick up Francis, Menzel and Gibbs and still have all the draft picks they started with they could possibly look after the here and now without compromising the future.

        • October 6th 2017 @ 12:59pm
          Craig Delaney said | October 6th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

          Understand that. Francis might be worth a try given what they need. Gibbs will stay with your beloved Blues, surely. Why else did he sign up for such a long term contract? So far, both Menzels are iffy in the consistency stakes, so very unsure they need him. The Crows got to a GF on the back of consistency across the team.

          • October 6th 2017 @ 1:17pm
            Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

            Craig – I agree that Gibbs won’t leave, but that said Adelaide are in a unique position to offer the blues a massive deal and still be in a good spot in the draft. I can’t see Adelaide being desperate enough but just missing a premiership, having some key players at their peak and losing some key youngsters could make them take the punt.

            • October 7th 2017 @ 8:16am
              Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

              Macca – you need to let it go.
              Gibbs stays at Carlton for life – excellent, one club player, good on him. Crows DONT NEED him and wont pay the ridiculous price you hope they do!

              • October 7th 2017 @ 10:38pm
                Macca said | October 7th 2017 @ 10:38pm | ! Report

                Rex – I don’t want Gibbs to go, all I am saying is that the only way he does is if the Crows will pay the blues price

        • October 7th 2017 @ 8:14am
          Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:14am | ! Report

          Don’t need or want Gibbs or menzel – both highly over valued (by their own clubs and supporter base)

      • October 6th 2017 @ 1:47pm
        Liam said | October 6th 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

        “Adelaide don’t need Gibbs. That window closed last year when there were far greater question marks over the Crows’ midfield talent and depth.”

        I’m sorry, but I frankly don’t agree at all.

        Sure, you’ve the emergence of the Crouch bros a bit, but what else have you got coming through? You’ve a better chance at a quality midfield than, say, Geelong, but sitting on your hands won’t improve the midfield at all. Greenwood looks promising, but as yet hasn’t gotten huge amounts of the ball, and if Ellis-Yolman (unsure on the spelling) couldn’t crack into your midfield this season, when is he going to?

        So, you’ve got a reasonable, if slightly underwhelming top end, with only developing outside mids in Milera and… ?

        You definitely don’t want to play what Carlton’d charge for Gibbs, but that’s dramatically different to whether you need him. If you got him on the cheap – the way you did Betts, courtesy of some shocking list management – you’d be laughing all the way to the bank. He’d certainly have come in handy a week or so ago; Carlton have a pretty good record against Richmond over the last ten years, despite the difference in our fortunes. In 2013, Gibbs – along with Judd – drove our second half resurgence over them, and brought us the elimination win against them, so he’s done it before, and he’s got significant experience playing at the G, experience that, had you gotten him in last trade period, may have gotten you a bit closer this season.

        It’s fine to ‘We didn’t want him anyway, he’s a terrible footballer, etc’ when you don’t get what you wanted, but rampant intellectual laziness is still lazy.

        • October 6th 2017 @ 6:33pm
          Basil said | October 6th 2017 @ 6:33pm | ! Report

          Ellis-Yolmen did his knee and missed the season. That’s why he couldn’t force his way in.

        • October 7th 2017 @ 1:26am
          Mic said | October 7th 2017 @ 1:26am | ! Report

          Should have ponied up for Gibbs last year. Would have that elusive cup in the cabinet.
          Would have been a much better player in a much better team, just like Betts and Sauce.
          Never minded him staying at the Blues, being the star that he is.
          Crows expected Blues to roll over last year and it cost them dearly.
          Window is closing quickly with the loss of Lever and Cameron, but then again, maybe Troy Menzel is the answer.

          • October 7th 2017 @ 8:25am
            Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

            Oh yeah – the top knot would have made all the difference ….,. NOT!
            What a ridiculous comment

        • October 7th 2017 @ 8:22am
          Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

          Rampant intellectual laziness……. see your own rampant intellectual laziness at work with your CEY comment.
          Better to stay quiet and not embarrass yourself if you know nothing of the subject you’re writing about!!

          • October 9th 2017 @ 7:24am
            Liam said | October 9th 2017 @ 7:24am | ! Report

            Pot meet kettle.

          • October 9th 2017 @ 9:36am
            Mic said | October 9th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

            Obviously still a sore point losing the grand final Rex.
            Your bitterness is on show for all to see.
            Gibbs would have done a whole lot better than that garbage your midfield produced in their biggest game.
            If you want to discuss rampant laziness, look no further than Adelaide.
            Would Gibbs have made a difference? I guess we’ll never know.
            I know I won’t be losing sleep over it, but I’ll bet anything you will.

    • October 6th 2017 @ 9:44am
      AD said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

      I stopped reading at “James Aish”.

      • October 6th 2017 @ 9:45am
        Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 9:45am | ! Report

        Yeah, he is one that the Crows could get but why would they.

        • October 7th 2017 @ 8:26am
          Rex said | October 7th 2017 @ 8:26am | ! Report

          Maybe Carlton should go hard at Aish – I’d say two first rounders should do it!
          Cough up Carlton – the time is now, you’ll forever regret it if you dont!

          Sound familiar??

          • October 7th 2017 @ 10:40pm
            Macca said | October 7th 2017 @ 10:40pm | ! Report


      • Roar Guru

        October 6th 2017 @ 10:54am
        Paul D said | October 6th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

        No arguments there! Also Sam Mayes is 23, not 20

    • Roar Rookie

      October 6th 2017 @ 10:11am
      Pedro The Fisherman said | October 6th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

      I would comment on this article if the entitled Macca wasn’t here!

      • October 6th 2017 @ 10:13am
        Macca said | October 6th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        What a shame we have to miss out on your pearls of wisdom! ;(

      • October 6th 2017 @ 11:00am
        Mattyb said | October 6th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

        Lol Pedro,he’s rolled in with sirens blazing,handing tickets out to us all.

        • October 7th 2017 @ 1:35am
          Mic said | October 7th 2017 @ 1:35am | ! Report

          Nice one mattyb.
          Heard your a musician.
          Maybe you should take your harp playing skills to the Bulldogs back yard.
          Everybody is looking to get out of there.
          Your boys will fall even further next year.
          Welcome back to bottom 4.

          • October 7th 2017 @ 12:43pm
            Matty said | October 7th 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

            Mic,who are all the players who want out?
            Let’s just say we did finish bottom 4. I’d think I might start looking at the coach. If a new coach came along and we continued finishing bottom 4 I wouldn’t be hailing him as a saviour.
            Let’s say we continued to finish bottom four and started bringing in multitudes of rejects,I’d probably question the list manager,I certainly wouldn’t be hailing him a saviour.
            Let’s say we continued to finish bottom four and were offered a first round pick for an older player who had never been AA but asked for two,again I’d question the list manager and again I wouldn’t hail him as a saviour.

            • October 7th 2017 @ 10:43pm
              Macca said | October 7th 2017 @ 10:43pm | ! Report

              Change of name?

              One minute you want theblues to be patient the next you deride the coach and list manager for lack of immediate success – try to keep your logic consistent

            • October 7th 2017 @ 10:47pm
              Macca said | October 7th 2017 @ 10:47pm | ! Report

              Change of name?

              One minute you want the blues to be patient, the next you deride the coach and list manager for lack of immediate success, at least keep your logic consistent

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