AFL trade news Deadline Day wrap: Gary Ablett, Jake Stringer, Bryce Gibbs, Josh Schache, Charlie Cameron, Lachie Weller and more

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    It’s all done! The 2017 AFL trade and free agency period is over after a flurry of deals were done on deadline day.

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    Here’s what I thought of every deal that got done on Deadline Day, in the order they happened.

    Bryce Gibbs, pick 77, Carlton Blues’ 2018 second-round pick and Carlton Blues’ 2018 third-round pick traded from Carlton Blues to Adelaide Crows for pick 10, pick 16, pick 73, Adelaide Crows’ 2018 second-round pick.

    A deal more than twelve months in the making to kick off the final day of the trade period, and it set in motion more than a few of the other deals that got done on deadline day.

    Carlton have gotten a great return in exchange for a 28-year-old player no matter how you slice it – that much is inescapable.

    However, the Crows regained anything lost here by the fact they landed pick 12 for Cameron and have two first-rounders next year plus Carlton’s second-rounder, likely an early pick again.

    Bryce Gibbs Carlton Blues AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

    Pick 50, West Coast Eagles’ 2018 first-round pick traded from West Coast Eagles to Gold Coast Suns for picks 21, 26, 37, Gold Coast Suns’ 2016 second-round pick.

    A bit of an odd deal with the Suns sending a slew of middling picks to the Eagles for a first-rounder next year that we don’t yet know the value of.

    The onus on West Coast is now to have a solid 2018 so they haven’t given away too valuable of a pick in this deal – I do feel like there’s the potential for this one to turn very sour if they have an average season.

    Aaron Young traded from Port Adelaide Power to Gold Coast Suns for Adelaide Crows’ 2018 fourth-round draft pick.

    A fairly small piece of business. Young has some good attributes and could be a handy player at the Suns, but not likely a star.

    Logan Austin and Port Adelaide Power’s 2018 fourth-round pick traded from Port Adelaide Power to St Kilda Saints for St Kilda Saints’ 2018 third-round pick.

    St Kilda bolster their key defender depth in exchange for a minor swap of late picks.

    Sam Murray, pick 70 and Sydney Swans’ 2018 third-round pick traded from Sydney Swans to Collingwood Magpies for Collingwood Magpies’ 2018 second-round pick.

    Collingwood gave up their second-round pick for an untried rookie and some loose change back the other way… and that was their only deal of the trade period. Absolutely baffling.

    Sam Gibson traded from North Melbourne Kangaroos to Adelaide Crows for pick 91.

    Ripping news to see Gibson get another chance, and at a club where his contributions will be highly valued. Best of luck, Gibbo, you’ll always be a Shinboner.

    Nathan Wilson and pick 71 traded from GWS Giants to Fremantle Dockers for pick 57 and Fremantle Dockers’ 2018 second-round pick.

    All things considered a roughly fair deal for both clubs, depending on how well Fremantle go next year.

    Nathan Wilson GWS Giants AFL 2017

    (Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

    Matthew Lobbe traded from Port Adelaide Power to Carlton Blues for pick 95.

    Rhys Palmer two-point-oh.

    Jake Stringer traded from Western Bulldogs to Essendon Bombers for picks 25 and 30.

    Potentially a really great get for the Bombers if he can turn around his form both on the field and off of it.

    As for the Bulldogs, this kind of return is enough to make you want to throw up. At least until you see what they do next…

    Carlton Blues traded picks 16 and 40 to Western Bulldogs for picks 28 and 30 and Western Bulldogs’ 2018 second-round pick.

    This is pretty nifty from the Dogs – they get the first rounder they wanted for Stringer, but had to give up their second next year for it.

    It’s not Carlton’s greatest move ever but could help them match some father-son players next year and of course helps them in another deal to come…

    Pick 53 traded from Geelong Cats to Richmond Tigers for Richmond Tigers’ 2018 third-round pick.


    Matthew Kennedy traded from GWS Giants to Carlton Blues for pick 28.

    This makes Carlton’s pick swap make a lot more sense, and is probably a more fair price for Kennedy than it was speculated the Giants might get.

    Still unders for someone who was a high pick two years ago, but not the worst unders the Giants have ever received for a talented kid.

    Luke Hodge and pick 44 traded from Hawthorn Hawks to Brisbane Lions for picks 43 and 75.

    This deal apparently took two weeks of negotiation if you can believe it. Try not to think about the kind of salaries that get paid to people nuttering this out, it’ll make you sad.

    (Photo by Justine Walker/AFL Media)

    Darcy Lang and Geelong Cats’ 2018 fourth-round pick traded from Geelong Cats to Carlton Blues for pick 58, Carlton Blues’ 2018 fourth-round pick.

    Potentially a bargain for the Blues if Lang’s career can be given some life support and revitalised there. They’ve ventured little so don’t need to gain much to justify the deal.

    Gary Ablett, pick 24 and Gold Coast Suns’ 2018 fourth-round pick traded from Gold Coast Suns to Geelong Cats for pick 19 and Geelong Cats’ 2018 second-round pick.

    The Son of God enjoys his Second Coming to complete The Holy Trinity, just as the ancient books foretold.

    Pick 19 given to the Cats as free agency compensation for a serial underperformer in Steven Motlop winds up in the hands of the AFL’s lovechild club… do you smell something fishy? Because I smell something fishy.

    Charlie Cameron traded from Adelaide Crows to Brisbane Lions for pick 12.

    Having traded themselves out of the first round the Crows finally relent and accept what is very much an overpayment for Charlie Cameron. Brisbane blinked on this one, don’t think it was the right move.

    Pick 34, Adelaide Crows’ 2018 fourth-round pick traded from Port Adelaide to St Kilda for pick 59, pick 63 and St Kilda Saints’ 2018 second-round pick.

    Not this year’s most fascinating swap.

    Lachie Weller and pick 41 traded from Fremantle Dockers to Gold Coast Suns for pick 2.

    If Brisbane blinked, Gold Coast went blind. This is an absolute shocker, giving up pick 2 and paying $4 million over five years for a player who, yeah, he’s alright, but he’s not worth this, not by any stretch of the imagination.

    What a deal for Fremantle though – they have two top five picks without giving up their 2018 first-rounder and still landed Nathan Wilson. Incredible.

    Lachie Weller Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Tony McDonough)

    Josh Schache traded from Brisbane Lions to Western Bulldogs for picks 25 and 40.

    Brisbane must have been mightily desperate to offload Schache to accept an offer like this, that’s genuinely horrendous.

    An excellent turnaround from the Bulldogs though – effectively traded Stringer and their 2018 second-rounder for pick 16 and Josh Schache.

    Personally, I’d be quite pleased with that as a Dogs fan, and it’s much better than what I expected they’d achieve this morning.

    Brandon Matera traded from Gold Coast Suns to Fremantle Dockers for Fremantle Dockers’ 2018 third-round pick.

    Minor deal, if either club gets a useful player out of it then good for them.

    Brisbane Lions traded picks 20 and 25 to Richmond Tigers for picks 15 and 52.

    Seems to largely be positioning for the expected draft bids for Connor Ballenden (Brisbane academy) and Patrick Naish (Richmond father-son).

    North Melbourne Kangaroos traded pick 46 and North Melbourne Kangaroos’ 2018 third-round pick for West Coast Eagles’ 2018 third-rounder and St Kilda Saints’ 2018 third-rounder.

    I waited all trade period for North Melbourne to do something, literally anything, and this is what I got.

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    • October 19th 2017 @ 2:55pm
      Liam said | October 19th 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

      Could someone please explain why Matera has dropped so far in value? He’s an extremely talented forward flanker/midfielder, capable of breaking matches open with his disposal and speed, who likes kicking a goal or three.

      It just doesn’t make any sense to me that he’s gotten traded for what, a 2018 third round pick, when he’s shown plenty at AFL level.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:16pm
        Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

        Question marks over his behavior is the general consensus.

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        October 19th 2017 @ 3:53pm
        Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

        7 years in the game and has yet to ever manage 20 in a season certainly hasn’t helped his value. Averages less that 15 disposals and just over a goal a game.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 5:48pm
        Jon boy said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

        Liam- Third round pick 36-54 not to bad for Matera …..Gun critic Don Freo ranked him 88.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 5:48pm
        Jon boy said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

        Liam- Third round pick 36-54 not to bad for Matera …..Gun critic Don Freo ranked him 88.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 6:18pm
        truetigerfan said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

        Hasn’t got the engine required to be a midfielder.

    • Roar Guru

      October 19th 2017 @ 2:56pm
      AdelaideDocker said | October 19th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

      Must say I’m bloody happy as a Freo fan.

      I’m sad, though, that three of my favourite young players – Crozier, Balic and Weller – are gone.

      But two first round picks, Wilson and Matera? Noice.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:04pm
        I ate pies said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

        Your boys did very well. Trade of the century helps, but Wilson was a good pick up.

        I’m very happy with my boys. It was a case seeing the whole strategy before it made sense, but to now have picks 1 and 2 as key forwards bodes well for the future. I’m excited to see how they go in the next couple of years. Just need a dynamic mid-sized forward to complement them.

        • October 19th 2017 @ 5:37pm
          Pumping Dougie said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:37pm | ! Report

          Yeah I’m thrilled for our Doggies too. Disappointed to see Stringer go and I kind of hope he goes well, because he’s great for the game when up and firing. I’d prefer to see him at a club I can barrack for though.

          The Doggies were too truthful about him and cost themselves a higher return, but to end the trade period with pick 16 (as well as 9), Schache, Trengrove and Crozier, at the expense of trading Stringer and two second rounders, is an excellent outcome.

          Don’t know anything about Crozier, but Trengrove is perfect for us and Schache means we don’t have to play Cloke!

          • October 19th 2017 @ 5:58pm
            Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:58pm | ! Report

            Boyd, schache and english , doggies have 3 very talented young talls with those 3.

            • October 19th 2017 @ 6:32pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

              Cloke best get set for his last year in the VFL.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 6:49pm
                Mattyb said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:49pm | ! Report

                Hopefully the dogs can talk Cloke into retirement. The list situation means we currently have no choice but to delist Crameri and Honeychurch,would probably rather give another year to Crameri than Cloke.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 6:03pm
            Stephen said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:03pm | ! Report

            Yes. Well done Bulldogs. It’s never easy to turn a perceived negative into a positive. But that’s how it appears. Cam McCarthy continues to impress.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 6:11pm
            Stephen said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:11pm | ! Report

            Yes. Well done to the Bulldogs. Never easy to turn a perceived negative into a positive. But that’s how it’s starting to emerge. Cam McCarthy continues to impress.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:39pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

            Schache is Jesse White mark II ….I wouldn’t get carried away.

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        October 19th 2017 @ 3:07pm
        Wilson said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

        I think Freo has to be happy with what the got over the trade period. Weller I think could be costly later on for them. As I see him as a star of the future

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          October 19th 2017 @ 3:12pm
          Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

          If Freo can’t find a star at pick #2 …

          • October 19th 2017 @ 4:42pm
            Matto said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:42pm | ! Report

            Their track record says they should be able to find a spud

            • October 19th 2017 @ 8:04pm
              guttsy said | October 19th 2017 @ 8:04pm | ! Report

              and looking back at the recent history of trade two picks, including at other clubs, says that is about 50:50 whether they get someone as good or better than Weller.

              When you consider pck 41 was for Crozier, then I would prefer to have Crozier and Weller in the Freo team than Pick 2. And I would have kept Harley Balic also if he wanted stay as I think he is going to be a good small forward if he can stay injury free.

              Having said this well done to the Freo trade team for turning a negative into a slight positive and also for Freo staying true to their values of layer development. Surely at some pint this must pay a dividend with the ultimate prize.

        • October 19th 2017 @ 3:16pm
          dontknowmuchaboutfootball said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          Weller is a loss. If GC hadn’t pursued him, I don’t expect he would have wanted to leave. But I’m glad Freo have made it happen for him while also getting a good price in return.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 8:10pm
            guttsy said | October 19th 2017 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

            Weller is the most underrated player ( by the so called experts) in this draft, but generally not by those who know him at Freo.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:09pm
        Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

        Freo have done well but I also believe GC have ended in a strong position aswell. On face of it pick two seems huge but when all the deals they’ve struck ate looked at I reckon they’ve ended up exactly were they wanted to be.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:13pm
        dontknowmuchaboutfootball said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

        Yeah, possibly even better trade period than last year! While we lost big time on Balic, the other trades make up for it.

        OUT: Crozier, Balic, Weller, 41, 57, 2018 second, third and fourth rounders

        IN: Wilson, Matera, 2, 40, 66, 71, 82

        Is that right? That means we’ve got 2 more coming in this year than going out. Suban to be delisted?

        My only concern is the lack of picks in next year’s draft which everyone keeps saying is going to be a good one. I’m smiling now, but will I be feeling so happy this time next year?

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          October 19th 2017 @ 4:06pm
          AdelaideDocker said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

          Sounds about right!

          We’re set for a massive draft: we hold picks 2, 5, 42, 60, 66, 71, 79, 83 and 97.

          Of course, those late picks are stereotypically nothing special, and a pick in the 20s or 30s would cap it off, but seems like we’re going to find some greaaaaat talent!

          • October 19th 2017 @ 4:23pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

            Settle down AD, you have picks 2 and 5 yes the rest aren’t worth mentioning. Collingwood also had two top tens a while back and got freeman and scharenberg so don’t get carried away.

            • October 19th 2017 @ 4:58pm
              Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

              seeing as freo got Neale in his draft year in the late fifties I pretty sure they’ll do well with thru picks.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 5:49pm
                Slane said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

                Yeah, Freo always nail their picks. It’s why they have so many flags. Be realistic. Most picks are a lottery. The number 1 pick rarely ends up as unequivocally the best player and teams rarely pick up superstars with late picks. It’s a crapshoot.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 10:20pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 10:20pm | ! Report

                Most picks are a lottery slane agreed but in response to hth remark only 2&5 are worth anything I think we all know that’s a bit of a whifffer.

    • October 19th 2017 @ 2:58pm
      Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

      Good to see the Suns pull some pain from Geelong for a 34 year old injury plagued ex champ

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:09pm
        Liam said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

        You’re not serious, are you?

        • October 19th 2017 @ 4:04pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

          Liam definetly yes, Geelobg gave their 2018 second round yeah? Plus dropped 5 spots on the other, cats will finish outside the 8 next year so have handed away possibly pick 24 plus dropped 5 places this year for a 34 year old who can hardly get on the park. Harsh truth right there for you.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 6:26pm
            David C said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:26pm | ! Report

            Pretty sure Geelong won’t finish out of the 8 next year, WC will though.

            • October 19th 2017 @ 6:35pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:35pm | ! Report

              Geelong are done, won’t make the 8 mark my words and no decent youth for the future. They’re actually headed for a Carlton style period in the wilderness with that list.

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                October 19th 2017 @ 6:44pm
                Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

                You said the same thing last year. And the year before. And the one before that too.

              • October 20th 2017 @ 10:06am
                Felix said | October 20th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

                Geelong will finish around 4-6 but they have a number of problems with their list including lack of leg speed, lack of forward pressure especially with Menzel and Hawkins and a real lack of young talent. It is a great credit to them that they have been in contention for so long.
                The final against Richmond really indicated the extent of their problems.
                They keep topping up with established players but the time is coming when they will need to go to the draft and get some young stars.

              • October 20th 2017 @ 10:29am
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 20th 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

                That time is past. They genuinely have the worst young player list in the competition and history will prove post 2011 they went down the wrong path. Junior is back just in time for the real pain. 9-12 is where they will finish.

              • Roar Guru

                October 20th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Cat said | October 20th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report


                Again Geelong lacked any small forward last season, they are the ones that apply forward pressure, not the big guys.
                Lack of leg speed is also tied to lack of smalls being fit. If Cockatoo can get his hammies to stay in one piece he has blistering pace AND loves nothing more than laying bone crunching tackles every chance he gets. Also two of our slowest defenders have retired.
                Time will tell but don’t be surprised if Geelong drafts some smalls and speed. If they do Geelong won’t be afraid to debut them quickly if needed. Eight debutantes last year for Geelong which was equal highest in the AFL.

    • October 19th 2017 @ 3:11pm
      Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

      The wce/GC pick swap indicates gaff is probably leaving as a fa next year imo.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 5:13pm
        Johnno said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

        What’s your reasoning for that?

        • October 19th 2017 @ 5:36pm
          Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

          We’ve traded our future 1st round pick next year in what is supposed to be a bumper draft. If gaff leaves thru fa then the compo pick is highly likely to be a first round pick. Draft positions improved this year, if gaff leaves under fa next year trading 1st rounder to GC is cancelled out.

    • Roar Guru

      October 19th 2017 @ 3:20pm
      Rick Figjam said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

      Gazza for the 2018 Norm Smith.

      GO CATS!

      • October 19th 2017 @ 3:44pm
        Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

        Will menzel re sign in your opinion rick?

        • Roar Guru

          October 19th 2017 @ 3:48pm
          Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

          Not sure he has a better option. Hope now that Cats know where their cap is sitting they can give Menzel a better offer.

        • Roar Guru

          October 19th 2017 @ 4:01pm
          Rick Figjam said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

          My understanding is he’s already got an offer. He either takes it or doesn’t.

          Cats have been more than fair sticking with a guy through 4 TKR.

          I wouldn’t pay him anymore simply because Scott clearly doesn’t rate his defensive ability. The Cats need to address this up forward and I can assure you Ablett won’t fix this problem, and he’ll probably spend a lot of his time forward too.

          Having both Menzel and Ablett up forward I just can’t see. They’re also not like-for-like players so rotating them wouldn’t work either. Menzel is more a 10-12 game player the Cats will use to cover injries or if their balance isn’t quite right. You don’t pay overs for that.

          In short (too late): he’ll probably stay.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 6:56pm
            David C said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:56pm | ! Report

            I don’t think he’s after more cash, he wants 2 years instead of 1. But no offers means he’ll take the one.

            • Roar Guru

              October 19th 2017 @ 7:06pm
              Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:06pm | ! Report

              The contract the Cats have offered Menzel is for one year at a 50% pay cut

      • October 19th 2017 @ 4:06pm
        Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

        Fantasy land Rick. History will tell a sorry tale of a champ who left for sweet $$$ and returned just in time for the inevitable decline. Mackie, lonergan, Motlop, Darcy out , Harry’s harsh truth States you have gone backwards

        • Roar Guru

          October 19th 2017 @ 4:08pm
          AdelaideDocker said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

          AD’s Harsh Truth indicates that you’re a conflict-crazed fraud who currently holds zero credibility on this site 🙂

          • October 19th 2017 @ 4:22pm
            truetigerfan said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:22pm | ! Report

            I’ll second that!

          • October 19th 2017 @ 4:37pm
            Jon boy said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

            That is a bit Harsh,i think he is entitled to his opinion…..

            • October 19th 2017 @ 6:30pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:30pm | ! Report

              Jon Boy, I’ve been here three days and all I see is a group of about 8 including cat, don freo, Paul D, Adelaide docker, Macca, mattican and a couple of others who like to only read their own thoughts. If anyone disagrees like me I’ve already been told I should be banned, that I apparently have 8 pseudonyms and have zero credibility. Oh yes Don Freo offered a list of his criteria for comments that will please him. The question is why don’t they just get a private Facebook group if they don’t wish to be challenged?

              • Roar Guru

                October 19th 2017 @ 7:15pm
                XI said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:15pm | ! Report

                If you call yourself “Harsh Truth Harry” you’re going to get some stick for the pretensions.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 7:25pm
                Macca said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                HTH – challenge away, however nothing you have written so far presents a challenge, it is nonsensical jibberish.

                You are entitled to your opinion but a completely unsupported opinion isn’t worth much.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 9:25pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

                Glad I’m one of the 8 hth. If you would elaborate on your musings instead of such remarks as “Simpson can’t coach” I would probability be prepared to take it seriously.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 9:37pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 9:37pm | ! Report

                I remember very similar remarks from a few previous users, I try my best to think ppl wouldn’t comment under multiple accounts because I personally find it a odd time wasting behavior. But the similarities in what you say is uncanny hth.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 9:58pm
                Stephen said | October 19th 2017 @ 9:58pm | ! Report


                In the words of the French philosopher – Voldaire – ‘I don’t necessarily agree with what you are saying – but I shall fight to the death for your right to say it’. Free speech is not a bad thing.

            • October 19th 2017 @ 6:55pm
              Mattyb said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

              AD,that’s a pretty outrageous comment,if you don’t like what people say just ignore it rather than hurling insults.

              • Roar Guru

                October 19th 2017 @ 9:54pm
                AdelaideDocker said | October 19th 2017 @ 9:54pm | ! Report

                It might’ve been a bit harsh, but the dude’s allegedly been on here for “three days” and is walking around proclaiming everyone to be “sycophants” and accuses us of being “self-appointed experts”.

                It’s a trend – anonymous visitors come on here, for the sole purpose of annoying, harassing and proclaiming themselves to be right and some sanctimonious ‘voice of reason’ when in reality they just peddle clichéd viewpoints and utterly repetitive opinions and attack more regular, ‘established’ forum users as seemingly being their enemies when in reality we’re sick of hearing crap like that.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 11:11pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 19th 2017 @ 11:11pm | ! Report

                Don’t worry AD you weren’t harsh at all, you gave an opinion that is all. He’s voicing his then gets annoyed when asked to elaborate and give reasoning for his opinions. If disagreed with he says you can’t handle the truth which would be OK if he was Jack Nicholson or sideshow bob but he’s just some dude with a persecution complex who believes his opinions are facts.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 6:23pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 6:23pm | ! Report

            AD unless I’m sadly mistaken this site doesn’t exist for you so called self appointed 8 “experts” to be the only ones commenting. The fact you think I remotely care about what you think of credibility is beyond reason. It’s an open forum not your playground sonny and your opinion of me or my comments is worthless. You are largely sycophants looking to pump up others tyres while I call it as I see it. If you don’t like it don’t read my comments.

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              October 19th 2017 @ 7:31pm
              Cat said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

              Says the guy who hits and runs. If your are going to make outlandish opinion posts have the balls to follow up on the when you get called out. So far you keep dodging and avoiding

            • Roar Guru

              October 19th 2017 @ 10:00pm
              AdelaideDocker said | October 19th 2017 @ 10:00pm | ! Report

              I’ve never appointed myself as being an expert of anything! You mightn’t care about what I think of your credibility, but I don’t care for clichéd, boring comments that you’ve been pedalling for the past few days.

              My comment to you might’ve been a bit harsh, and I’m sorry if you thought it was, but seriously it’s frustrating seeing you come on as “Harsh Truth Harry” or whatever and come onto thread by, according to you, revealing “Harsh Truths” about footy – the catch is nothing you say is any objective truth, just a strange mix of extremely subjective opinions, falsehoods and stereotypes.

              It was funny at first, but honestly for however long you want to keep pedalling your “truths”, don’t expect many of us to take you seriously.

              • October 20th 2017 @ 10:33am
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 20th 2017 @ 10:33am | ! Report

                AD do I need to put it in capitals “dude”? I simply do not care if you take me seriously or not as you do not run this site. Talk about a high opinion of yourself. Get back to your gaming console sonny!

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          October 19th 2017 @ 4:24pm
          Rick Figjam said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

          Anon won’t be happy if you throw in any more cliché comments — you’ll knock off his record in just one article.

        • October 19th 2017 @ 5:52pm
          Slane said | October 19th 2017 @ 5:52pm | ! Report

          I disagree with most of what HTH has brought to the table so far but really dig the way he is bringing it.

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      October 19th 2017 @ 3:35pm
      Andrew Blake said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

      I know its overs but I’m not too upset with trading 12 for Cameron. He’s quick and exciting so will make for a least a good highlight reel. Right age profile as well.

      I’m disappointed that we lost Schache but our forward line is already a log-jam with talls as it is. If small is the way to go, then we would have had to cut at least 1 of the 6 key forwards still on our list. Schache is undoubtedly the second most talented of the lot, but with Walker really stepping up in the back half of the year he was really going to up his game anyway to getting a start.

      Cameron and Hodge in, Christensen and Robinson returning from injury plus three first round picks (and plenty in the bank for the academy kids) is not a bad return.

      If we can pick up Miles as a DFA to protect McCluggage and Berry for half a sesaon, than that would be another win.

      Bring on 2018!

      • October 19th 2017 @ 4:08pm
        Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

        You’ve done well with cameron he is a gun but hodge will be a coach and nothing more, his body is done with AFL.

      • October 19th 2017 @ 7:00pm
        David C said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:00pm | ! Report

        Miles won’t be delisted, surprised nobody came in for him though. Richmond would have done business. Probably if lions had done their deals earlier they might have had a go.