The north beats the south in weekend rugby

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    On Saturday, six teams from the southern hemisphere squared off against six teams from the northern hemisphere. The north came out on top 4 – 2.

    The scores: Ireland 38, South Africa 3. England 21, Argentina 8. Scotland 44, Samoa 38. Italy 19, Fiji 10. All Blacks 38, France 18. Australia 29, Wales, 21.

    It was an all-time record score for Ireland over the Boks with Sexton MOTM and the usual suspects having strong games and NZ-born Bundee Aki drawing raves in the midfield.

    Eddie Jones was furious with Team England. They’d trained so well and played so ordinarily. Dull and lifeless summed it up although they unearthed a fine new seven in Sam Underhill who hits like a steam hammer. Maro Itoje and Owen Farrell will be back for Saturday’s game against the Wallabies which is not good news for Oz fans.

    The Scots/Samoan game was described as bizarre. Eleven tries with both sides playing poorly. Scottish fans had hoped their team would show some maturity ahead of next week’s clash with the All Blacks. Instead, they’re battering down the hatches.

    As for the All Blacks, few people feel they’re playing like the creme de la creme of world rugby. And it doesn’t help when Sonny Bill Williams gives away a penalty try by batting a French cross-kick dead from the in-goal area. Steve Hansen’s probably glad his guys are not going up against Ireland this trip.

    Most Roarers will have seen the Wallabies being less than terrific against Wales. The Samu Kerevi experiment didn’t work so look for Michael Cheika to play Kurtley Beale at 12 against England to get some thrust into the attack. Or not. MC is hard to second guess. Oh, how we miss Israel Folau and David Pocock and one or two other players who don’t even exist.

    The consensus re the weekend’s rugby is that it illustrated how cluttered the game has become, and how nothing has been done to fix the boring spectacle of scrum resets.

    Also, it’s a little weird to see pros who’ve been playing since they were kids dropping simple passes. Yes, Test matches bring their own kind of pressure, but most of the guilty parties are hardly new to international rugby.

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    • November 13th 2017 @ 7:10am
      Not so super said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:10am | ! Report

      Yeah, funny headline

      You trying to make out the north is better

      • November 13th 2017 @ 10:09am
        adastra32 said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:09am | ! Report

        You bigging the South up.

        Super hilarious.

      • Roar Guru

        November 13th 2017 @ 3:02pm
        Simon Douch said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

        Germany beat Brazil 45 – 12, 5-2 to the North. Why not count that too. They are superior lol.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 3:27pm
          Cuw said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

          so where does Canada v Georgia fit in ? 😛

    • Roar Guru

      November 13th 2017 @ 8:31am
      Cadfael said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

      Get over it. Folau and Pocock are unavailable, Pocock for some time. Cheika has to work with what he has. I do feel the teaam would be better leaving Beale at 15 and playing Hunt at 12. A better option as Hunt will defend in his position rather than playing musical chairs in defence. I would play McCalman at 8 in place of McMahon and a mmore effective 6.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 8:46am
      RedandBlack said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

      Boks made Ireland look like world beaters – where’s the fizz? That being said these new rules put them back half a step. We seem to be weighting things pretty heavily in favour of the attack. That last try started on the other side of the field – tackle made and no Irish player over the ball except the half back – big hairy Bok goes to clean out and is called off by the ref – why? – it’s not a ruck or a maul – its just a tackle with a short Irish git standing over it – he should have been destroyed but no – his Number 9 is a modern version of the Golden shorts. If we want to get space in the field we need to get rid of that law and force teams to commit to the breakdown to protect the ball rather than having the ref do it for them.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 8:48am
      Chris said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:48am | ! Report

      Let’s be honest the north has already caught up and eclipsed the south with the exception of the All blacks. England and Ireland are realistically the only 2 sides that can challenge the All blacks on a regular basis and not just a one off which is the case with the wallabies. Without the All blacks the South will be in a terrible state right now. Australia are now behind England and Ireland and would struggle to win many games against these 2 sides except for the odd occasion really and the Scots are catching up fast with Australia. As for the Sprinhboks well what can I say, there is really only one player in Etzebeth that would make the starting 15 of England, Wallabies, ireland and All Blacks the rest wouldn’t even make the bench except for Francios Lou maybe.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 9:11am
        RedandBlack said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

        What regular basis? Englands last victory over us was in 2012, and Ireland have won precisely once. Neither of them will repeat it in a hurry on the weekends showing. Australia on the other hand are always there or there abouts and although a long way from 50% actually do roll us often enough to use the term regular basis as understood by the English speaking peoples.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 9:13am
        taylorman said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

        Well what do you expect when they hide hundreds of our players in nothing club comps.

        Give us 600 pro players across the five 6N sides, including a hundred odd test players, as well as our own back for a few years and see what the trend is then.

        NH rugby IS SH rugby more and more these days, coach and player wise. Theres no closing of any gap, just a re-distritubution of the numbers from one side to the other.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 6:18pm
          Uncle Eric said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

          Yeah, Bundee Aki, quite the Irishman begorrah. Not sure why NZ allowed him to go.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 6:41pm
          Cuw said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:41pm | ! Report


          i will settle for a fair amount of leave for the SH players to go home and prepare for the tours/ matches.

          i am sure teams like Samoa Tonga Fiji will do much better if they can practice for 3 weeks and get physically ready also.

          and some of the SH teams like Saffas and Argies to select their best in Europe. false bravado is not a virtue.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 9:18am
        Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

        Chris, Ireland lost to Scotland and Wales in 2017. On what basis can it be said that they’re one of the only two sides that consistently beat the All Blacks, whereas Australia can’t?

        The fact of the matter is this, Ireland’s results since the RWC have not actually been significantly better than Australia’s. Both Australia and Ireland have been capable of some very good performances and some very, very average ones. The only thing separating the team at present is that Ireland beat England in Dublin last year. I don’t expect the Wallabies to beat England this week, but I think that they would be in with a good chance of winning if the match was in Australia.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 9:20am
          taylorman said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

          Ireland are the only side to beat England or NZ before the Oz win in two calendar years…and beat both, so its a fair statement. Its not about losing.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 9:25am
            Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

            ‘Its not about losing.’

            That’s exactly what it is about, in my opinion. I don’t think a team can be put on the same tier with England and New Zealand if they lose to both Scotland and Wales in the same tournament. Like Australia, Wales have been diabolical since the RWC. Those in the Welsh media think that they might be turning a corner, but they have been awful.

            A team that loses to Scotland and Wales are definitely on a tier with Australia as “capable of great performances and very poor performances”.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 11:46am
              Connor33 said | November 13th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

              Agreed, Fionn. And the rankings are probably reflective of everything you’re putting forward.

              And then we have three tests against the Irish next year….

          • Roar Guru

            November 13th 2017 @ 2:42pm
            taylorman said | November 13th 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            Well if its about losing then no ones up there with NZ. No ones got near beating them regularly and those that do have one off and often get thrashed in a previous meeting.
            England havent played but havent won in six either.
            Oz and SA have been thrashed by NZ and been beaten by many orhers

            • November 13th 2017 @ 2:49pm
              Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

              I think New Zealand is a clear number one. England is a clear number two as they have proven that they can beat everyone else very consistently both home and away (single loss to Ireland the exception).

              No other team has proven that they are capable of consistently beating the teams 3-7. All the teams 3-7 can beat each other, but Ireland and Australia are the only ones shown to be capable of beating New Zealand.

              The rankings are probably wrong and Ireland should be number 3 and Australia 4, but if Australia beats England this weekend (very unlikely) then it is at very arguable that Australia deserves the number 3 ranking.

              • Roar Guru

                November 13th 2017 @ 3:14pm
                PeterK said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

                Won’t be clear until after the 3 test series between Aust and Ireland next year

              • November 13th 2017 @ 3:22pm
                Perthstayer said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

                “The rankings are probably wrong”. Made me smile

          • Roar Rookie

            November 13th 2017 @ 6:54pm
            Paulo said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:54pm | ! Report

            Its fair to say they beat the ABs, and England, but not fair to say they do it consistently. Especially when you consider Irelands was their first ever win over the ABs, and then couldn’t back it up a week later with at home.

            Consistency is key, in a 2 team game, anyone is capable of winning, the right bounce of the ball, a few bits of luck, a few injuries to key players, or an extremely weird referee interpretation of a ruling, all can change the outcome of a game.

            On a side note, the only team I can think of consistency beating the ABs was the Wallabies in the late 90s and early 00s. Holding the Bledisloe for 5 years. Bloody Gregan smashing Wilson as he dived… Eales slotting that penalty after the whistle…

      • November 13th 2017 @ 11:44am
        Connor33 said | November 13th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

        Thank you for saving the Southern Hemisphere, Chris. It means the world to us that we have the Abs. I mean, where would rugby be without them.

        Oh, and the Abs looked great on the weekend–particularly that second half. That’s the type of rugby the world should be aspiring towards, not just the Southern Hemisphere.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 12:58pm
          Council said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

          Who needs a good second half when the first is so dominant?

          You’re a bitter person.

        • Roar Rookie

          November 13th 2017 @ 2:58pm
          piru said | November 13th 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

          Geez what a bitter little comment.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 5:56pm
            rebel said | November 13th 2017 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

            No just a typical Conner comment.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 6:59pm
          Taylorman said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

          Yes its such a task finding a Wallaby performance as poor as that second half…oh wait…!

    • November 13th 2017 @ 8:53am
      anopinion said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:53am | ! Report

      Scrum resets are the best part of the game.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 9:23am
      Beezlebub said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

      Even a half asleep AB’s could beat the frogs, England looked uninspired at best. The BOKS well what can we say

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