Collingwood fans need to trust Bucks – and the process

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    With Nathan Buckley stating that Collingwood need to play finals in 2018, and the players agreeing, there’s plenty of pressure on the Pies.

    But supporters need to be patient. Now is the time to back Bucks and show him all the support we can muster to bring home our next flag.

    First however, let’s delve into the logistics of the Pies’ best 22 come Round 1 in 2018.

    In defence, we are hearing of a big change to start at centre-half-back, Darcy Moore.

    Moore has the ability to play the same role as Jeremy Howe. Tyson Goldsack and Lynden Dunn can take the lock-down roles, allowing Moore to float across and attack the packs, take contested marks, and allow Howe to go forward, where he prefers to play.

    The addition of Sam Murray is highly underrated. His kicking skills are phenomenal and he will give the side some speed and dash coming out of the backline. What’s more, he is only 20 years old – give the kid some time to settle in.

    In the midfield, I like Brayden Maynard’s move into the middle – he will take anyone on, charge in like a bull, but also use his foot skills on the outside.

    Daniel Wells is a damaging player, particularly on the inside – he’s all class.

    Then there is the regular midfield brigade in Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom and Adam Treloar, who needs to improve his kicking efficiency.

    It all adds up to a strong mix of young and old throughout the midfield, along with defenders and forwards able to go through the middle, adding flexibility.

    Adam Treloar Collingwood Magpies AFL 2016

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    Moving into the forward line, picking the starting six a difficult task.

    Jordan De Goey is a must, he knows where the goals are, and Alex Fasolo will provide a lead-up target either on the wing or inside the forward 50.

    Barring the result of any disciplinary action by the club, Jamie Elliot will again provide as a lead-up target and a quality crumbing forward.

    With Moore playing down back, Howe will be able to play up forward with the same type of freedom he had down back. Working in tandem with Howe will be Ben Reid, who may have lost some pace, but will help out in the ruck when Brodie Grundy needs a break.

    The final forward spot goes to Callum Brown, purely because he showed a lot in his few games played.

    With the bench, Maynard, Levi Greenwood and Travis Varcoe can all play either back, middle or forward, allowing Buckley to play the match-ups accordingly.

    The last spot was a tough decision between Kayle Kirby and Josh Daicos but, in the end, Daicos gets the chocolates off the back of his last few games and the possible spark he could provide.

    The Magpies have a lot of flexibility, but lack enough A-Grade players to really challenge for a flag. There needs to be a dramatic lift in a lot of B and C-grade players to really propel the Pies into flag contention.

    Be patient Pies fans, back Bucks, and like the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA, ‘trust the process’.

    Here is my 22 for Round 1 in 2018:

    FB: Lynden Dunn, Tyson Goldsack, Taylor Adams
    CHB: Sam Murray, Darcy Moore, Jack Crisp
    W: Steele Sidebottom C: Adam Treloar W: Will Hoskin-Elliot
    Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Daniel Wells
    CHF: Jordan De Goey, Jeremy Howe, Callum Brown
    FF: Alex Fasolo, Ben Reid, Jamie Elliott

    Bench: Brayden Maynard, Levi Greenwood, Josh Daicos, Travis Varcoe

    Unlucky: Tom Langdon, Matthew Scharenberg, Kayle Kirby, Josh Thomas

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    • November 16th 2017 @ 3:45am
      Mattyb said | November 16th 2017 @ 3:45am | ! Report

      Not a bad summary James,Collingwood’s team on paper looks ok without being star studded. I think there’s only 3 teams with no hope of making the finals with Brisbane also unlikely but heading in the right direction,the rest are all a possibility to play finals if things go right including the mighty pies.
      I’d put Collingwood in the same group as Hawthorn,Fremantle,St.Kilda and WC who are most likely to finish between 9-15 with the 8 a possibility.
      Let’s hope Moore can have a successful coming out season with his new role in defence.

    • November 16th 2017 @ 6:44am
      Reservoir Animal said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:44am | ! Report

      “With Nathan Buckley stating that Collingwood need to play finals in 2018”

      Haha, he said that in 2017 as well. And in numerous other years.

      Bucks knows that Collingwood would be too scared to replace him with anyone who hasn’t coached another club to a premiership. And he knows that no premiership coach wants to work for Eddie. And he knows there’s enough gullible fans of his club to prevent the blood-seeking that Carlton coaches constantly fall to. And he knows that when there is criticism, the blame can just be shifted to Caroline Wilson or some assistant coach. So he knows that no matter what he promises in terms of finals, he can just break the promise and get away with it.

      Ah, the greatest sports club on earth………..

    • November 16th 2017 @ 7:01am
      andyl12 said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:01am | ! Report

      Hear hear RA. As a Hawthorn fan it just makes me laugh to know that Collingwood would never have had the guts to give the senior role to Alistair Clarkson. A club that claims to represent everything that’s good about football has become so hubric for so long that they’re rightfully sneered at by the clubs who understand what 21st-century football is about.

      If only Collingwood gave Jeff Kennett one week in the chair, their loyal supporters would finally get the smiles they deserve.

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        November 16th 2017 @ 10:56am
        Peter the Scribe said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

        Yet Clarkson hasn’t moved with the times and both the Doggies and Tigers have developed a new way to win flags while the Hawks now just make up the numbers. How quickly it happens.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 12:09pm
          andyl12 said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

          You’re basically saying that because Clarkson hasn’t won five straight flags he’s a has-been. Now you’re making Bucks and Eddie look smart!

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            November 16th 2017 @ 2:47pm
            Peter the Scribe said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:47pm | ! Report

            Not at all Andy it’s not that it’s the fact you now have no list to challenge in the next few years. You had a great run no doubt but now you’re done for awhile with your list.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 5:05pm
              Hungry Jack said | November 16th 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

              Your list is far, far worse, dude! Stones! Glass houses! You’re hilarious!

            • November 16th 2017 @ 7:29pm
              Paul said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:29pm | ! Report

              Yeah lost a lot of influential players
              1 hodge
              2 Mitchell
              3 Evans
              4 schwab
              5 demetriou
              6 Lewis
              Lots of influence lost and a failure in regards to the quest for the claim of greatest team ever
              Funny how those boys have all gone

            • November 16th 2017 @ 9:44pm
              peter chrisp said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:44pm | ! Report

              I agree with Andy’s comment wholeheartedly & Peter your comment from a Pies fan is almost spot on although it’s only early daze Moore down the back line seems a litte strange, as Moore can share the ruck & forward line once in awhile & we have no choice but to trust Buckley’s instinct for 2 “Moore” years? As each year with Buck’s seems to be getting worse on the ladder if we don’t get in the 8 will The Pies be the laughing stock once again?

        • November 16th 2017 @ 12:15pm
          Deir-ba-zor said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

          How delightful it is too see you in denial.

      • November 17th 2017 @ 8:16am
        andyl12 said | November 17th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

        Darren Millane is buried underneath it.

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      November 16th 2017 @ 8:10am
      Peter the Scribe said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

      I like your side James. Just one question, no spot for big Mason Cox? I’d like to see Howe standing on heads in the forward line but they tried him as a forward at Melbourne with no success? The Pies solid draw has them playing finals in 2018 for me and surprising all with a top 4 place.

      • November 16th 2017 @ 5:06pm
        Hungry Jack said | November 16th 2017 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

        You also learned from Melbourne that he’s a ripping half back. Don’t credit Buckley with that!

      • November 18th 2017 @ 8:04am
        David C said | November 18th 2017 @ 8:04am | ! Report

        Probably equal odds at finishing bottom 4 as finishing top 4. If the wheels fall off early I can see a Freo/North scenario where a full rebuild is required. Just not enough young class on the list.

        • November 18th 2017 @ 9:31am
          Peter the Scribe said | November 18th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

          Maynard may well become the next Luke Hodge HB/mid . De Goey is about to become a star, Moore is 200cm these taller guys develop later, the new kid from the Swans could be anything, Aish is about to bloom, Treloar and Adams are still young and Grundy is one of the best young rucks in the game. Then there is the unknown in Daicos, Kirby, Brown….I don’t share your pessimism David,

          • November 21st 2017 @ 11:13am
            Larry1950 said | November 21st 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

            Is that blooming James Aish the guy the Lions were happy to trade, his stats falling 50% at both clubs in the second year? He wasn’t a ‘go home’ trade, even the Lions worked out he is a b grader.

    • November 16th 2017 @ 8:21am
      Harsh Truth Harry said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

      Collingwood made no changes to the same side that finished 13th apart from an untried rookie in Murray. Therefore, no surprise for them to stagnate in the 12-16 bracket again in 2018 before Ross Lyon comes in and replaces Buckley with one year left on his contract.

    • November 16th 2017 @ 8:36am
      Reality Check said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

      The proposed Collingwood best 22 is full of weak links which top 8 clubs and genuine contenders will easily rip through;

      DUNN and GOLDSACK both turn 31 early in the 2018 season, lack the pace and skills required for the modern game, and would not remain on the playing list of any successful club.

      MURRAY could not cut it at the Swans and will be the Chris Mayne of 2018.

      CRISP an ordinary player who if he has one good game is immediately proclaimed a champion by one eyed supporters.

      WELLS talk at Collingwood that Wells at age 33 should be used sparingly playing a maximum 15 games per season is not good enough. Wells is one decent knock away from retirement.

      FASOLO despite seven years and 100 games @ Collingwood Fasolo is still yet to make his mark. Collingwood tried unsuccessfully to shop Fasolo, after having realized that he cannot be relied upon to consistently kick goals.

      HOWE ever the individualist and capable of the big specie, at CHF Howe will simply not score enough goals to justify his place in the team.

      REID turns 29 next year and his aging body can no lomger be relied upon. Has averaged only 12 games per season with the Pies, and certainly could not effectively support Grundy in the ruck.

      GREENWOOD lacks pace and skills; incapable of seriously impacting a game.

      VARCOE turns 30 at the beginning of the 2018 season and played his best football with the Cats; has averaged 15 games each year with the Pies and consistently failed to hit the scoreboard.

      DAICOS and BROWN will hopefully over time live up to their famous namesakes which is a big ask.

      • November 16th 2017 @ 3:36pm
        Stephen said | November 16th 2017 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

        RC, you’re living up to your name arguably with that post. The only line I would disagree with is Howe – he’s good enough to play anywhere and have impact.

        • November 18th 2017 @ 6:56am
          Reality Check said | November 18th 2017 @ 6:56am | ! Report

          Stephen, I agree absolutely that Howe is a skilful player; whether he can carry the load @ CHF if given the opportunity I am less certain, but given the Pies situation the switch is worth considering.