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    Reds vs Chiefs

    Super Rugby, 21 April, 2018

    Suncorp Stadium
    Fulltime - Reds 12, Chiefs 36
    Reds   Chiefs
    12 FINAL SCORE 36
    2 TRIES 5
    0 DROP GOALS 0
    Referee: Jaco Peyper
    Touch judges: Nic Berry & Jordan Way
    TMO: Damien Mitchelmore

    Match result:

    The Queensland Reds have prolonged Australian rugby’s horror run against New Zealand opposition, falling 36-12 at Suncorp Stadium to the Chiefs.

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    Final score
    Reds 12
    Chiefs 36

    Match preview:

    Having experienced back to back losses, the Queensland Reds would like to get back to the winning circle when come up against the skilful Waikato Chiefs this Saturday at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane. Join The Roar for live scores and a blog of the match, starting from 7:45pm AEST.

    After being dominated by fellow Australian teams, the Waratahs and the Brumbies, Brad Thorn’s men would be hoping for a much-improved performance.

    The Reds have been disappointing this campaign and to add to their woes, they have not defeated a New Zealand team in two years.

    The return of former Australian legend, George Smith albeit at the ripe-old age of 37 will add some interest to the contest.

    It also marks the occasion of 1000th capped match for the Queensland club. Resigning boom Wallaby forward Lukhan Tui and lock Angus Blyth earlier this week will provide further impetus for the Reds to have a strong game in front of their home crowd.

    Even with a massive injury toll especially in the forwards, the Chiefs are going to be a difficult proposition for the Reds. Before their loss to the high-flying Hurricanes, the Chiefs were undefeated in five matches.

    The Chiefs have made four changes to their forward pack with the inclusion of Karl Tu’inikuafe, Liam Polwart, Tylor Ardron and Pita Gus Sowakula.

    Coach Colin Cooper has made it very clear that the squad is extremely motivated after the loss and will be hoping to convert more opportunities than what they did against the Hurricanes.

    A telling statistic between the two teams is in the department of points scored with the Chiefs scoring twice the amount of points than the Reds this season.

    The Reds as with other Australian teams have not beaten a New Zealand rugby team in 2 years with a 0-34 record. And this is expected continue with the Chiefs to win in a tight contest.

    Chiefs by 7.

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    • 11:40am
      Baz said | 11:40am | ! Report

    • 10:55am
      Baz said | 10:55am | ! Report

      The Chiefs only faced one real challenge. How do we remain humble at the post match interview after we have just owned another Oz team. Well done Sam Cane, I didn’t believe a word you said but full points for effort.

      • 2:52pm
        Old Bugger said | 2:52pm | ! Report

        There was no profit in gloating.

        All that does is give ammunition to the other teams about how disrespectful, one side can be. This competition is hard enough without being lippy – the Chiefs came over, did their job, got the win and left without adding the kick-in-the-guts commentary when their opposition, is down.

        I just hope everyone had a beer together after the game cos that’s all, that was needed.

    • 10:07am
      Old Bugger said | 10:07am | ! Report

      Prior to kickoff, I had my concerns about how the Chiefs pack would respond to the Reds pack because there have been previous games between these sides at Suncorp when the Reds, have just given the Chiefs pack, a touch-up. Not only was I surprised by the score at HT but, it left me searching for reasons why.

      And, I didn’t have to wait long for what I consider, was the major reason…..and that was the HT interview with Ben Lucas.

      When I played, which was eons ago when dinosaurs roamed the playing field, one important facet of being able to play, was match fitness and a key measure IMO, of achieving this level of fitness, was the time it takes a player to get their “second wind”. The quicker you achieved that level, the fitter you were when playing. Things never change when years become ages and ages become eons……match fitness was always the level that players wanted to achieve and another measure of match fitness, was how well you communicated during an injury break or in this example, an HT interview. The more eloquent and coherent that players are in discussions was IMO, a classic example of how fit, that player was.

      Unfortunately, I thought Lucas was a definitive example of seriously lacking in fitness because throughout his chat, he was blowing extremely hard and having difficulty with getting his words and responses out, in a coherent fashion. I then wondered how the rest of his side were feeling at HT and realised, that the Chiefs simple game plan of taking the ball to all parts of the field in a sensible manner without trying to offload, certainly took the wind right out of the Reds sails or should I say lungs and deliver the scoreline, that we all saw.

      I was even more amazed that the Chiefs would play a game where the offloading game-plan, was parked in the changing room and simple quick rucks, draw and pass tactics, would not only give them a win but more assuredly, it ran their opponents, right off their feet.

      Oh and btw, can someone please give Angus Taa’vao a compass so that he can find his way to avoid injuring his team-mates….lol. He’s already claimed Ross last week and of course, Macca last night….haha!!

      A solid and sensible win and I’ll take that one.

      • 10:41am
        Baz said | 10:41am | ! Report

        Yep, same issue as prior years. They have plenty of muscle bulk, but lack aerobic fitness. This is why they fall away at the end of games so badly. Also why MacKenzie and most other good distributors can find holes on the edges after a few recycles. Shape is gone and players are struggling to get back into the line.
        They need to get out of the gym and do the hard yards.
        There is a skills gap as well but much of the dominance we are seeing is fitness related. There is no excuse for this. The coach is responsible.

        • 11:30am
          Old Bugger said | 11:30am | ! Report

          Funny thing is Baz, if everyone sees this and has known this is/was an issue all these years then why, has nothing been done, to rectify it?? Personally, I think there is a massive disconnect between the national coach and all the franchise coaches meaning, the boat is going in every direction except, the same direction.

          • 11:39am
            Baz said | 11:39am | ! Report

            yeah, thats why Cheika went to great lengths last year to point out that he had to get the players match fit prior to the tests. These are professional athletes who are paid to be fit. I personally think that most of them just don’t want to go to the effort. It is easier to swan around the gym and pretend. The coaches need to answer to a central body on fitness levels. It seems that individual franchises can’t be trusted to enforce effective aerobic training regimes.

    • 10:19pm
      ThugbyFan said | 10:19pm | ! Report

      I said in the blogs after the Tahs game that (a) J.Tuttle and N.Frisby have to be punted for their slow hospital passes and cr^p box-kicks to no-where, also that Moses Sorovi has the best pass in the Reds squad. Moses played a couple of games for Q.Country in the NTC2017, he is raw but has a great pass. Tate McDermott also is pretty good and is a very slippery runner. Both are youngish (Moses is 22 and Tate is 19) but small in this era of SR behemoths; I think both are about 77 kg. Ben Lucas is ok so it allows coach Thorn to use these two guys off the bench to get that experience and toughness.

      Still a bit mystified with B.Thorns love-in with the 10-12 axis of J.Lance and S.Kereevi. Its just not working and he really should consider putting on his Q.Country NRC pairing of H.Stewart and D.Paia’aua, even if its just off the bench for a couple of matches and see how they go. If they start, let S.Kereevi and CFS fight it out for the #13 and bench positions.

      What I really want to know is what did they pump into Angus Ta’avao at the Chiefs? He wasn’t much chop at the Blues and for 2 years at the Tahs he rarely got a start or even the bench. Now he is a scrum beast!

      Anyone see the crowd at the Randwick vs Easts beasts game in Schute shield? About as many as at the Tahs game last night. LoL

      • 10:23pm
        riddler said | 10:23pm | ! Report

        frisby is at bordeaux

        • 10:31pm
          ThugbyFan said | 10:31pm | ! Report

          Ack, my bad, Riddler you are dead right and I knew that, but beer and late hour = brain dead. Silly me as last week I mentioned that N.Frisby killed Jake MacIntyre’s SR career in 2016 and repeated the dose last year with Q.Cooper and Jake.

          The Reds had to punt him early this year and find better talent. What always amazed me was the number of Roarers who roared that N.Frisby should be the WB halfback. Roar and grain of salt are synonyms.

          • 10:41pm
            riddler said | 10:41pm | ! Report

            yep.. no probs thugs…

            firsby started well i have to admit.. unfortunately he had to go ten in 2015 when cooper was injured for a bit and that stuffed him a bit..

            we ozzies are not like the french who can interchange between 9 and 10..

            keep your eyes on the moses.. seems to have some spark.. but anyone looks quick in comparison to ben lucas..

            on a side note.. jake is not doing too bad at all in france.. could well end up being like a brock james type.. not wanted in oz and plays out a very solid decade long career in the top 14..

            • 10:47am
              Baz said | 10:47am | ! Report

              Ben Lucas is trying to do the work that his loose forwards should be doing. He is late to the break down and often caught at the bottom of the ruck. Like the look of Sorovi. As MacKenzie has shown, size is not and issue. If you are good enough you are big enough.

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      RobC said | 9:56pm | ! Report

      Thanks for the post and blog, Shakti!

      Reds were blown away in 1Q. Chiefs too fast. That was be predictable. Yet Reds were unprepared for it

      Thankfully set piece was good until Mafi’s LO mistakes, missed kicks for touch Stewart etc

      In any case, tt was an even match from 30′ for the most of the game.

      So, lets see next game!

    • 9:53pm
      freddieeffer said | 9:53pm | ! Report

      The Reds 1st half was woeful; just not at SR standard at all. 2nd half was marginally better, but the game was over after 20 minutes.

      I’m not seeing cohesion or a plan/structure in their play, their defence was soft, they allowed easy metres to the Chiefs who comfortably pinned them in their own half. There’s just no forward penetration by their forwards and neither forwards or backs seem to have any urgency with their attack – all they’ve got is kick the ball away.

      I’m happy to cut some slack with ‘rebuilding’, but geez, it’s gonna take a long time with these guys.

      Finally, I just can’t see the justification for Thorn excluding QC when the Reds backline is not firing at all with Jono Lance. At least Cooper provides some spark in among some dumb options/mistakes. The Reds backline has no spark or moves; just mostly easy pickings for defences.

      • 9:55pm
        Rhys Bosley said | 9:55pm | ! Report

        I don’t know what part of “Quade can’t tackle” that people don’t understand m.

        • 10:06pm
          Dan in Devon said | 10:06pm | ! Report

          The part where a 10 is required to pass, catch, kick and manage a game. Surely, you would concede, in the least, he would be a handy bench option?

          • 10:12pm
            Rhys Bosley said | 10:12pm | ! Report

            Nah, he can’t play well if he doesn’t get to run the back line and without being able to tackle, he can’t do that.

            • 10:21pm
              dan in devon said | 10:21pm | ! Report

              The proof is in the pudding – if Jono Lance is your answer at 10 then you will get more of what we saw today.

              • 10:26pm
                Rhys Bosley said | 10:26pm | ! Report

                Proof Schmoof. The last time Lance and Cooper faced off, Lance’s team won. The last time the Red played the Chiefs the Reds got flogged. Nobody can say that Cooper would have changed tonight’s result for the better.

              • 10:56pm
                Dan in Devon said | 10:56pm | ! Report

                Well explain to me- as I am a bit dim – where Lance fits into the rebuilding programme given he is off to Worcester at the end of the season?

              • 11:40pm
                Rhys Bosley said | 11:40pm | ! Report

                My guess is that Thorn wants Stewart to have a bit more experience before he gets put in the hot seat at 10. Remember Jake McIntyre? He had his reputation and career ruined when he was made to be the Reds playmaker too early.

                Stewart is good but needs more of a running game and to iron out a few kinks, as we saw tonight verity the missed kick for touch. Better to let Lance cop the heat this year, while they work out the basics, then let Stewart play next year.

        • 10:07pm
          freddieeffer said | 10:07pm | ! Report

          I did include his mistakes, but honestly, is he the worst or only guilty party on that front? I really don’t think so.

          • 10:14pm
            Rhys Bosley said | 10:14pm | ! Report

            If the problem was just missed tackles we could live with it. It is his constant high tackles and cards that are unacceptable, especially since he revolves the attack around himself.

            • 10:15pm
              riddler said | 10:15pm | ! Report

              rhys.. well said..

              reality is that..

            • 10:28pm
              freddieeffer said | 10:28pm | ! Report

              rhys, at least there’s some attack going on with him, Currently, the Reds have got nothing are predictable and easy pickings. They are not going to win games against quality opposition without a lot more attack options than at present.

            • 10:29pm
              Number12 said | 10:29pm | ! Report

              So terrible he managed 70 odd tests & 120+ Super games. You certainly wouldn’t want that sort of experience guiding a young team around! Maybe the ‘different direction’ the first year coach is aiming for might be the wrong direction with the cattle he’s got. Or maybe the coach is too biased to make a decision for the sake of the team..,,,

              • 10:44pm
                riddler said | 10:44pm | ! Report

                it is not bias for pete’s sake..

                he knows the guy and his character and has decided that he is better off without him..

                it is his career (thorn’s) on the line.. what part of this do you cooper lovers and thorn haters don’t understand??

                if you really think he is going to intentionally sabotage his career for a chip.. you really can’t see reality..

              • 11:06pm
                freddieeffer said | 11:06pm | ! Report

                riddler I ain’t no Cooper lover nor a Thorn hater. I agree it’s Thorn’s call. My assessment of the Reds performance has been outlined here tonight and on balance, this Reds team at the present time could really do with Cooper’s inclusion, including his liabilities, and could not be possibly worse off from what I’m seeing. I’m not saying they would have won the game because I believe the Chiefs held a lot in reserve that they didn’t need to expend. They were toying with the Reds like a cat with a poor mouse whose getting loving pats on the head for 60 minutes till the full-time siren.

            • 7:00am
              Drongo said | 7:00am | ! Report

              You are still criticising Quade. You just watched a very inept performance from Thorn and the Reds. Yet you are still criticising Quade. Your focus displays a stubborn mentality. No wonder you love Thorn. Cooper would only improve this side and bring 5000 more through the gates.

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        RobC said | 9:59pm | ! Report

        freddieeffer, there was a lack of urgency and awareness in the Reds defence in the past few games. Today it was the first 20′. I guess they were overwhelmed with the speed and angles of everything that Chiefs were doing.

        I do think after a while, they were able to get their eye in, somewhat.

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          The Neutral View From Sweden said | 10:04pm | ! Report

          But the Chiefs clearly took the foot off the gas pedal when the contest for four log points was over?.

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            RobC said | 10:05pm | ! Report

            Dont think so Neutral. They were going for bonus point all game

            • 10:21pm
              freddieeffer said | 10:21pm | ! Report

              RobC, the Chiefs pulled it back to a comfortable canter after 20 minutes. When they need to click into gear, they do. Bonus point try at the end was done when they decided to put the foot down.

              It’s the same with the AB’s, they can run around the park for hours in second or third gear playing their structures with few mistakes. They apply consistent pressure, and lap up field position and take straight forward points from dumb/soft mistakes (eg tonight the Chiefs first 2 tries). When they feel like it, they click up a couple of gears and mentally destroy their opponents with a quick 20 points in the last 10-20 minutes.

              The Reds do what they Wallabies have been outstanding with for most of the last 10 years or so – that is beat themselves by not consistently delivering the fundamentals at the required level; which was my first point in my post.

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                The Neutral View From Sweden said | 10:33pm | ! Report

                I agree, And if I may add. Even if one or two Aussie sides happens to click against a Kiwi side that might be a bit off on the day, would not change the bigger picture. The gulf in quality is just too big. And the trend is that the gap is getting bigger, not smaller.

                So I ask everyone again, ar we entertained?

              • 9:06am
                Cal said | 9:06am | ! Report

                Im entertained. Cutting the force was meant to make the rest of them stronger right? Serves them right.

              • 11:00pm
                riddler said | 11:00pm | ! Report

                neutral.. maybe i am in a minority..

                i am not here to be entertained.. i love the game..

                i want to see teamwork.. skill.. guts.. effort.. pride..

                egos and look at me types can go play other sports..

                if i want to be entertained i will go the movies..

                as i said.. i am probably in the minority.. i just love the game..

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                The Neutral View From Sweden said | 11:17pm | ! Report

                I respect that riddler. I enjoy the game also. But call me greedy, I want more. For me, rugby at the highest level contested between equal teams is a spectacular sport that competes well with any TV-sport entertainment anywhere in the world.

                Too many predictable scorelines and a too obvious gulf in skills and quality.

                With so much negativity already going on in OZ rugby already, this is hurting the game in OZ badly.

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                RobC said | 12:08am | ! Report

                bonus point was only after Reds decided to continued to play’

                Cheifs would have piled more points if they could

                You honestly think the Hamiltonians told each other: we will wait til 85′ to get the bonus point?

            • 10:55pm
              freddieeffer said | 10:55pm | ! Report

              Neutral, no it’s not entertaining because I know that the Aussie sides are not genuinely competitive.

              I watched in horror tonight in the first half how many times the Reds were in slow in getting back into their defensive line. Retallick’s try was scored because of the late arrival of about 5 forwards from the previous scrum. Same with the try scored under the posts. Same with the Chiefs kicks downtown – the back 3 Reds were constantly left to face a straight line of Chiefs across the field coming at them with the bulk of the Reds further upfield and out of the picture.

              I’m disgusted, not entertained.

            • 6:54am
              Drongo said | 6:54am | ! Report

              I was there. The Chiefs certainly dropped their intensity. The game was full of errors in the period the Reds did ok. It was not s great game and the Chiefs thrashed us in a canter.

        • 10:52am
          Baz said | 10:52am | ! Report

          @RobC I think they looked terrible up until MacKenzie went off. He knows exactly how to open up OZ teams. With him on the field the Reds defensive line looked 2 men short. I enjoyed watching MacKenzie go to work, but the game only became a competition once he left the field.

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            RobC said | 1:45pm | ! Report

            Agree Baz. Killer Mac’s exit was a turning point. But this is the last time I’ll say it here, the Reds did a fairly good job from 30′ onwards

            I believe this is because the Chiefs can manage Reds “one-up runners” only for so long. It is tiring business trying to catch the Reds danger runners behind the gainline.

            The Chief’s set piece is also more consistent. Again two of the four tries against the Reds are set piece turnovers (first one is scrum. Second one is LO)

            Similiar to what the chiefs said – well not the part about set piece

            • 6:31pm
              Baz said | 6:31pm | ! Report

              I note the emphasis he placed on their training regime. Seems that most Australian teams are struggling with the pace of an up tempo game played by the Kiwis. With the ball they recycle cleanly and quickly. Their forwards are at the breakdown to ensure quick clean possession against a disorganized defensive line. Without the ball their defensive line speed is disciplined, organised and consistent. They get to our ball runners before we have a chance to get out of second gear. I am wondering if our training programs include enough aerobic fitness work.

    • 9:52pm
      Harry said | 9:52pm | ! Report

      Well yet another terrible night for Australian rugby. The gap in skills, speed, size and hardness was embarassingly large and looks like it won’t be breeched for some time yet. To think at the start of this decade Queensland was beating the Chiefs at home and away. Thought the scorleline actually flattered the Reds tonight.
      Very depressing for us supporters – can’t see much cause for optimism.
      Probably the most disappointing feature – the deterioration in the set piece and restarts where the Reds looked to be improving and laying a base a few weeks back.

      • 10:44pm
        freddieeffer said | 10:44pm | ! Report

        You nailed it Harry.

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      The Neutral View From Sweden said | 9:44pm | ! Report

      Are we entertained?

      OZ conf losing margins this weekend 29, 24, and 20.

      • 9:47pm
        andrewM said | 9:47pm | ! Report

        Sounds like the lotto numbers

    • 9:44pm
      riddler said | 9:44pm | ! Report

      congrats chiefs.. very impressive.. arrived the night before at 8pm..

      quality squad..

      • 9:44pm
        Woodsman said | 9:44pm | ! Report

        Still waiting for the Reds to arrive…

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