Suck it up Storm and Roosters fans, you were going to lose anyway

Tim Gore Columnist

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    Yep, that title is deliberately antagonistic, and there’s a good reason for that.

    We supporters of the struggling clubs of the last decade want you to know, to truly understand down to your marrow, just how maddening and unjust hearing that sentiment delivered to you feels when you believe that your side has been subject to incidents that have wrongly cost your team the game.

    It is enough to drive you berserk.

    But here’s the thing about that, all you apoplectic Purple and Tri-Coloured people, you guys have been some of the very worst proponents of delivering that message to us Wests Tigers, Titans, Raiders, Eels, Knights and Sharks fans during the last decade. A ten-year period where your sides have routinely gone deep into the finals while our sides were already propping up bars at Kuta and Patong beaches.

    ‘“Smith held the player down for an eternity to give his team time to get back and it stopped a try!”

    ‘“You were going to lose anyway. Your coach is the problem. He’s lost the dressing room.”’

    ‘“That pass for the winning try was a mile forward! No way should that have been allowed!”

    ‘“You were going to lose anyway. Your club’s administration is woeful.”’

    I could go on and on. Believe me, I could.

    We’ve seen the likes of John Cartwright while at the Titans, David Furner while at the Raiders and Dean Pay the other day for the Dogs basically say that the top sides regularly get the rub of the green with rulings and non-rulings because of a latent vibe that the higher ranked side was better and was probably going to win anyway.

    A decision in their favour is far less controversial because, well, they were probably going to win anyway…

    Dean Pay

    Bulldogs coach Dean Pay. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

    While I’m not a guy to accuse officials of bias against my side – mostly because I’ve tried to prove it statistically and failed – I’ve certainly railed against incidents that have cost my struggling side victory against higher-ranked sides and been glibly served up the likes of the lines above.

    So when I see the Storm and the Roosters fans going berserk because ‘they wuz robbed’ – and what’s worse against those obnoxious, cheating bastards (respectively) the Sea Eagles and Broncos – forgive me if I feel more than a little Schadenfreude.

    Yes, I know it is poor form for me to roll around in a bit of shameful joy. But I’d find it much easier to stop if I didn’t firmly believe that both the Roosters and Storm were going to lose anyway, with or without the contentious issues.

    To say this has been an eventful weekend in the NRL is a massive understatement. Following on from Friday night’s brouhaha regarding Bernard Sutton’s sin-binning of Dylan Napa, there was another, bigger eruption in the 52nd minute of the Storm-Sea Eagles clash, when the silicon chip inside Curtis Scott’s head got switched to overload and he repeatedly belted the incessant pest that is Dylan Walker.

    The end result was Scott was sent off and Api Koroisau and Walker both got ten in the bin. Unlike the Napa binning, no one had too many problems with any of those calls.

    What people did have problems with was when both Koroisau and Walker were allowed back on the field before their ten minutes was up. The Storm officials were ropable that their last moment of personnel advantage they were to have in the game was cut short, denying them two minutes of opportunity to capitalise on the man advantage.

    The Fox Sports crew were incredulous that such a mistake could be made, with allegations thrown around about just who was to blame.

    That blame will almost certainly get laid at the feet of the NRL’s ground manager at AAMI Stadium. The ground managers are the people responsible for ensuring that the NRL Operation Manual guidelines are correctly carried out at each venue.

    That includes how the interchanges happen, who can get into the tunnel and press conferences and what the ground announcer can and can’t say.

    The old line spruiked by a player in the 80s that rugby league is a professional sport run by amateurs no longer applies. I work mostly at GIO Stadium in Canberra and our regular ground manager – Brian Roche – is a consummate professional. He has the place running like clockwork and everyone knows he is in charge.

    His boss – the NRL Operations Manager – is a bloke called Nathan McGuirk. Nathan has been working in and around NSWRL and NRL rugby league ops since the early 1990s and he knows his job backwards. While he and I have had our disagreements, I have total respect for his knowledge and ability. He is a great Operations Manager.

    The problem is that one of his charges seems to have stuffed up and now he’ll have to deal with it. He needs to ensure that ten minutes in the bin is correctly timed by his charges. He needs to give us all confidence that this was an aberration that won’t happen again.

    Curtis Scott

    (Photo by Robert Prezioso/Getty Images)

    However, just as Gerard Sutton’s (correct) sin-binning of Dylan Napa didn’t cost the Roosters the game, the timing error didn’t cost the Storm the match either.

    They were going to lose anyway.

    Why? Because there was no Cam Smith there to glue the side together. To focus them. To keep them relentlessly, metronomically on message.

    We all just got a little glimpse into the Purple future. If Smith had been on the field he would have ensured that Curtis Scott didn’t get so riled up by Dylan Walker and that he wouldn’t subsequently completely misplace his excrement.

    The Storm under Smith are the side that frustrates other players into lashing out. Often they do it deliberately to distract their opponents from their play, to put them off their game plan. Then, when their opponent does lash out with a shove or the like, the whole purple wave floods in to assert dominance. With none, of course, being dumb enough to ever throw a punch.

    However – without Captain Cam there – young Curtis allowed serial pest Walker to get under his skin.

    Right under his skin. To the point that he couldn’t help himself from smashing Walker repeatedly in the head.

    With this incident, we can clearly see that the aura of the Storm is fading and may soon be gone. It sure wasn’t there against the Sea Eagles.

    So the timekeeping error didn’t really matter at all. The Storm were going to lose anyway.

    Tim Gore
    Tim Gore

    Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the world's worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter.

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    • Roar Guru

      May 21st 2018 @ 7:37am
      Dutski said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:37am | ! Report

      Got a case of the “nyer, nyer, see how you like it”s, haven’t you Tim? As a Roosters fan I’ll suck it up, although I look forward to every reckless tackle going to the bin for the rest of the season, because binning Napa was so right. Bet you a dollar it doesn’t happen again this season.
      But my memory is long enough to remember my Chooks at the bottom of the table while that insufferable Green Machine got every call when they were one of the top sides.
      So chill, bro, on this no doubt frosty morning in Canberra. What comes around goes around and in a few years we’ll all be complaining about another team getting all the calls.
      It was ever thus.

      • Columnist

        May 21st 2018 @ 7:50am
        Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:50am | ! Report

        Karma has struck me down doubly! Bedridden with plague and the Nightingale play the ball…
        Yes, I remember those days. I old…

        • Roar Guru

          May 21st 2018 @ 8:34am
          Dutski said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:34am | ! Report

          Hope the lurgy improves mate. Nothing will fix that play the ball though…

      • May 21st 2018 @ 7:52am
        jimmmy said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:52am | ! Report

        When I see the next reckless contact to the head player sent to the bin, I will genuflect to Tim’s omniscience . Until then Napa’s binning remains a lottery call..

        • Columnist

          May 21st 2018 @ 8:05am
          Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:05am | ! Report

          Nah, he went in recklessly and it had high impact. I’m stunned he didn’t get suspended. Stunned. Warren Smith is with me too.

          • May 21st 2018 @ 8:15am
            jimmmy said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:15am | ! Report

            But it will never happen again Tim. That’s why it is so ridiculous. I am happy for all the reckless ones to go to the bin but the Napa one will be it for th rest of the year.

            • May 21st 2018 @ 11:37am
              PNGBF88 said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:37am | ! Report

              Just like the Billy Slater drop kick.
              Joseph Paulo did the drop kick yesterday leading to a potential Holmes try but the technically correct ‘attempt to kick’ rule was overlooked.

              But come off it mate, NRL rule book page 10 states clearly Napa’s misconduct to the opponents head warrants 10 in the bin.

          • Roar Guru

            May 21st 2018 @ 8:17am
            The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:17am | ! Report

            Tim I agree 100% about the suspension but we haven’t seen any other high contact careless, reckless or intentional get sinbinned.

            If the paradigm is that players get binned for high tackles I think most of us can live with it, but we’ve seen one in 11 rounds out of who knows how many high tackles.

            jimmmy is right, it’s a lottery.

            • Columnist

              May 21st 2018 @ 8:25am
              Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:25am | ! Report

              But I don’t think it will be a lottery. As was highlighted by the ludicrous situation where there was an in game punishment for Croker touching Crichton early but nothing for Burgess’ swinging arm to Sezer’s head, they’ve correctly realized that reportable offences also need to be sin binned. Napa was the first.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 8:36am
                jimmmy said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:36am | ! Report

                Let me know what year the next one happens Tim

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 8:47am
                The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:47am | ! Report

                Raiders v Souths was in round 7…!!!

                Are you telling me there has been one reportable high contact in the last four rounds?

                Anyway I can live with it if it is the new paradigm but I bet it won’t be.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 9:25am
                Nat said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:25am | ! Report

                In fairness TB, Sam has only just come back. Next week, we’ll see if he gets sent of trying to open a kiwi melon.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 9:31am
                Matthew Pearce said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                Wait, so are we suggesting that every reportable offence or every high tackle should be sin binned? That’s ludicrous. Napa already had a warning from the first half and he recklessly charged in, with what was going to be a full-speed head shot regardless (seriously, if Sims didn’t step Napa’s shoulder would’ve done it anyway).

                Sin-bin/send-off for especially dangerous shots, as it should’ve been for a while now. The false equivalence isn’t the way to go; not every reportable offence is worthy of time off.

                Maybe we’d have seen more resolute decisions like this if the administration and the fans actually had the guts to back them up:

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 9:51am
                The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

                That is an absolute can of worms Matt.

                So some reportable offences are worthy of a sinbin but other reportable offences are not?

                Which ones?

                And we expect refs to make that call on the run?

              • Columnist

                May 21st 2018 @ 9:53am
                Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

                Baz, the ones where the player hit high is taken out of the game would be a start.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 10:55am
                The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                How do the refs know that on the field?

                Because of the time of the game the refs know Sims wasn’t coming back from his HIA but if that happened in the 10th minute of the game the refs wouldn’t know if Sims was out for good and wouldn’t know if he has a broken jaw.

                Do they retrospectively sinbin players once they learn the opponent has failed his HIA?

                Or is an HIA itself grounds for a sinbin?

                Again that’s a massive can of worms. Wait for the calls of diving when a Gallen goes off for a HIA.

                The NRL can’t be consistent with this and are setting themselves up for failure…again.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 10:01am
                Matthew Pearce said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:01am | ! Report

                Like I said yesterday, is a lifting tackle that goes above the horizontal but has a controlled put-down that doesn’t drop the player on his head worthy of ten minutes? Is an accidental crusher tackle worth 10? How about the freak high shots where the player slips halfway to the ground just before contact? Should that be given ten?

                Being on report isn’t a punishment, it’s a referral for the judiciary. Not all reportable offences are equal; Napa’s was especially reckless and dangerous, and came after repeated warnings not just for himself, but other Roosters players as well.

                Tim is right; shots that take players out of the game should be prime candidates. Should have been brought back way before now, and now that it has happened, it should be supported. After all, just because they got it wrong before, doesn’t mean they should continue to get it wrong for the sake of fake “consistency”.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 10:48am
                The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:48am | ! Report

                Ok, I agree with all of that and I’m happy to see reportable offences that take anopponent out of the game sin binned.

                But does anyone really believe for a second that is going to happen when it’s happened once in 11 rounds?

                I’ll put money on it we see a high shot that results in an opponent leaving the field that doesn’t get sin binned in the next couple of weeks. I don’t even need to know the odds.

                Don’t forget that Napa wasn’t even charged as a careless tackle. So the refs have set the bar at the absolute bottom end.

                By their own standards any high tackle that results in a charge should be sin binned.

                There’s no way consistency with this is even possible.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 10:55am
                Dutski said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                That Eels Sharks replay is something else. One sent off for dissent, one sent off for a high shot (deservedly) and one for, I dunno. Pretty obvious that sending Peachey fired up the Sharks and they just went nuts.
                Interesting case study on the value of the bin/send off in terms of improving rule adherence. Didn’t seem to work in this instance.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 11:02am
                Matthew Pearce said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                I get that inconsistency is frustrating, and I’ll be very disappointed myself if it doesn’t get called more regularly, but it’s something that needs to be done for the sake of player safety. We as fans need to do our part too; there’s no doubt that the inconsistency we see now is partly due to (some) fans’ irrational responses to these calls. If the refs have the proper backing and the proper mandate from above, we should start seeing these called more.

                Napa not being charged is on the MRC, not the refs; it doesn’t make the refs call wrong, no more than the MRC always being correct with their decisions. Hardly the first time the judiciary’s stuffed up their calls.

                “By their own standards any high tackle that results in a charge should be sin binned.”

                That’s where I disagree, it doesn’t send that message at all. If Napa’s charge was purely an isolated incident, he may well not have been binned. But he was on chance 2, JWH also had a caution against him, and Napa himself did something similar against the Warriors. I wouldn’t be surprised if Radley’s form also came into it. It was extreme recklessness, and continued displays of recklessness from multiple players that’d played into it, not just the fact it was reportable. Hopefully they have the guts to back this stance.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 11:22am
                Busty McCracken said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:22am | ! Report

                I can’t possibly fathom how anyone who follows the game could argue that the call to Sin Bin Napa was a joke. No he didn’t likely go into to break his jaw, but he went in to put on a massive hit on that ended badly. If a player slips into a standard textbook tackle & gets injured , I don’t think the blame should be passed onto the defender. But if a forward who is known for his aggression comes in to put on a massive hit and it goes badly then yes a sin bin is an appropriate course of action. Look at Napas arms, he had very little control of what he was doing

                I personally hope to see more sin bins like we used to back in the day for foul play etc.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 11:25am
                BA Sports said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:25am | ! Report

                Sharks v Eels 2003, was one of the great moments in Australian sport..
                Andy Raymond “You can’t help but feel a little sorry for the Sharks” – what rubbish – Andy is blue and gold through and through, he loved every second of it!

    • May 21st 2018 @ 7:39am
      Duncan Smith said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:39am | ! Report

      First, which Storm fans are whining about the ref on Saturday? Melbourne played terrible and could not have beaten a bush side. No one is saying they should have won the game.

      Second, Storm fans have been in a defensive state of mind over the years because people like you never let up on the whining: ‘grapple tackle … Smith’s a grub … chicken wing … Slater .. blah blah blah.’ And especially ‘all their success came from salary cap cheating’ (a minor premiership in 2011 and premiership in 2012 says otherwise.)

      Third,if you’re going to get on the Schadenfreude train now that Smith will be gone soon, well good luck Tim, and let me remind you that next year is the 25th anniversary of the Raiders’ last grand final so at least you’ve got that nostalgia-fest to look forward to … hehehe.

      • Columnist

        May 21st 2018 @ 9:12am
        Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        Go f&$k yourself San Diego
        (Meant in the best of humor, Duncan)

        • May 21st 2018 @ 2:29pm
          Duncan Smith said | May 21st 2018 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

          No need to go all Curtis Scott on me, Tim! haha

          • Columnist

            May 21st 2018 @ 3:27pm
            Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

            Right! That’s your second go!
            Tell ya what, Curtis was ANGRY. There was so much violence that erupted there. Yet the punches were quite neat. Not wild haymakers.
            Not a bloke to pick it seems.
            I can’t remember who the Rabbitohs was in 1995 that had a go a Dave Furner who looked quite mild but was quite the pugilist. The guy in claret and myrtle got the first one in but after that he suffered an indignity.

            • May 21st 2018 @ 4:29pm
              Duncan Smith said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:29pm | ! Report

              I don’t remember that one but as for Dylan Walker: …

              A bloke who sledges, with the aim of getting an opponent to punch him deserves no sympathy when he achieves his goal.

    • Roar Rookie

      May 21st 2018 @ 7:48am
      BA Sports said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:48am | ! Report

      okay, so I am good with all of that – I just have my fingers crossed we get the “Suck it up Souths and Sharks fans, you were going to lose anyway” story next week because the swings and roundabouts don’t seem to have evened themselves out with these two yet…

      • Roar Guru

        May 21st 2018 @ 9:54am
        Con Scortis said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        C’mon BA Sports, you’re better than that! It’s funny that you should have singled out the Rabbitohs and Sharks (both of whom have had some bad calls this year, as well as good ones).

        The following is a list of the clubs that week in and week out receive both good and bad calls:

        Bulldogs / Broncos / Cowboys / Dragons / Eels / Knights / Panthers / Rabbitohs / Raiders / Roosters / Sea Eagles / Sharks / Storm / Tigers / Titans / Warriors.

        The following is a list of club fans who whinge when their team is at the receiving end of a bad call:

        Bulldogs / Broncos / Cowboys / Dragons / Eels / Knights / Panthers / Rabbitohs / Raiders / Roosters / Sea Eagles / Sharks / Storm / Tigers / Titans / Warriors.

        Such is life.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 21st 2018 @ 10:14am
          Matthew Pearce said | May 21st 2018 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          Are you suggesting that every team gets both good and bad calls? Mate, that’s ridiculous. We all know it’s only the winning team that gets good calls…

          • May 21st 2018 @ 12:17pm
            Big Daddy said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

            Some teams whinge when they win.
            It’s a cruel world.
            Although Parramatta don’t have anything to whinge about.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 21st 2018 @ 11:07am
          Ray Paks said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:07am | ! Report

          everyone receives good & bad calls, how did you reach that order in your list?

          everyone whinges when their team loses, and I think you should have Souths & Storm pretty high up in that list…

          • Roar Guru

            May 21st 2018 @ 12:35pm
            Con Scortis said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

            Hi Ray, it’s obviously alphabetical by way of mascots.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 21st 2018 @ 11:28am
          BA Sports said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          Mate it is all just a bit of fun. I know the Sharks lost a game on a refereeing decision once…. back in 1973. All swings and roundabouts

    • May 21st 2018 @ 7:51am
      Paul said | May 21st 2018 @ 7:51am | ! Report

      That was some seriously excellent gloating in the first part of your story, Tim. .

      The other point that losing team supporters so often forget is a simple one – if your team had played even close to it’s normal standard, they probably would have won. There’s no way either the Storm or the Roosters played like final 4 sides on the weekend. If they did…….

      On a separate note, I’d be interested in your thoughts about the success of the Cronk move to the Roosters. A 6 & 5 record is not what Roosters fans would have expected, I’m sure.

      • Columnist

        May 21st 2018 @ 8:02am
        Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:02am | ! Report

        I said last year he was gambling his legacy. Jury is still out but a few of the bets that I raise at the end of that article are looking shaky.

        • May 21st 2018 @ 2:10pm
          mushi said | May 21st 2018 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

          And yet a a man gambles his dignity when focuses on his memeory in the minds of those he wouldn’t call a friend.

          • Columnist

            May 21st 2018 @ 3:33pm
            Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

            No question that you’ve gotta be yourself and back yourself Mushi.
            Cronk is certainly his own man.
            My worry for him was that his brilliance was as a result of discipline and structure, the type only the Storm have.
            People only tend to remember the ignominious demise. All I know of Changa is the white boots.
            And while some secure their legacy in spite of poor last seasons, in this era people are uncommonly cruel.

            • May 21st 2018 @ 4:48pm
              ja ja klazo said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

              Has Cronk been that bad? The Roosters are in the top 8, within sniffing distance of the top 4. Tedesco looks like he is starting to hit his straps, Latrell is being utilised properly. Cronk has had his moments but you feel he is starting to get used to the surroundings. The forwards are an issue, Cordner seems to be coming into some form. You don’t win premierships in May.
              The fact that they are in the 8 and still look ‘clunky’, ‘out of sync’ and various other terms the so called experts spew out suggests to me that once they get going they’ll be right in with a shot.

            • May 22nd 2018 @ 8:42am
              mushi said | May 22nd 2018 @ 8:42am | ! Report

              Here is another factoid about Mr Langlands – he’s a rugby league immortal. Terrible legacy that one, aboslutlely terrible.

              If your smoking gun for destruction of a legacy is Changa then your argument needs a comeptle rethink.

              I also don’t think you can with any certainty say how today’s athletes will be remembered based on the current “cruel” environment.

              As such attempting to “protect” a legacy is just such a flawed decision making process that any advice to do so is in my mind harmful. A legacy is an outcome of how your actions are remembered by those oyu don’t directly know.

              Worrying about that is taking an express elevator to unhappiness.

    • May 21st 2018 @ 8:07am
      Forty Twenty said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:07am | ! Report

      Based on what happens when players are sent to the bin I wouldn’t mind if Manly do it deliberately from now on. Typically you win the ten minute period with a player short and it sets the platform for a win when the fresh player strolls back onto the field . I wouldn’t mind if the mistake goes the other way and it ends up being 12 in the bin.

      Moses Mybe was held back and denied a possible try but the player didn’t have a ten or eight minute rest. The best way to largely stop players holding back attackers when they think a try is on is to agree with the defender that a try was on and award a penalty try. Most think that is too radical but guess what has been eliminated (almost ) from the game ? Yes, the punch and holding back can be eliminated (almost ) as well because the reward will be non existent any more. The reward now is fantastic , prevent a likely try , get a ten minute rest and come back with your team in better position due to the sin bin paradox.

      • Roar Guru

        May 21st 2018 @ 2:24pm
        Adam said | May 21st 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

        I like your thinking. I think there is a sin bin paradox. I think the performance of teams who lose a player proves this

        • May 21st 2018 @ 5:22pm
          Gray-Hand said | May 21st 2018 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

          Broncos did okay while Napa was off.

          • May 21st 2018 @ 9:20pm
            Forty Twenty said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:20pm | ! Report

            Sometimes that happens.

    • Roar Guru

      May 21st 2018 @ 8:13am
      The Barry said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:13am | ! Report

      I don’t like Mondays.

      Nice reference to the Boomtown Rats. Thank goodness Scott didn’t hav access to a firearm and a school…

      There were a few Roosters fans claiming “that cost us the game” but I haven’t seen any Storm fans.

      The Napa case is extremely strange in how it’s been dealt with. Forget whether it’s deliberate or not and let’s call it careless high contact – which is the most generous way it can be looked at.

      Careless high contact gets sinbinned – can’t remember seeing that before.

      Careless high contact has no charge to answer by the MRC. That seems back to front as well.

      They wonder why people complain about a lack of consistency…?

      I think the NRL read the writing on the wall with the likes of Gould, Johns, Sterling etc ranting about it and decided the least controversial way forward was to ignore it.

      • Columnist

        May 21st 2018 @ 8:29am
        Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:29am | ! Report

        Honestly I reckon it could have been a send off.
        Their problem is that you can’t bring back the bin without the send off – unless you bin reportable offences. That’s what happened here.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 21st 2018 @ 8:39am
          BA Sports said | May 21st 2018 @ 8:39am | ! Report

          Should Koirsau have been sent off (he should have been for being a tosser as he walked form the field)?

          How are we differentiating between what is send off and what is a sin bin as it relates to punching? 1 punch into the head of a guy who doesn’t see it coming is a sin bin – 3 punches in the head is a send off? If Walker actually gets out of the road of punch two would it have been a sin bin not a send off? If Korisau throws a second punch does he get sent? I agreed with the sendoff, but the rest of it left be a little confused

          • May 21st 2018 @ 9:34am
            bearfax said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:34am | ! Report

            This comes down to the argument put forward earlier this year that the stars of the game need to be protected more. The crazy thing in this situation is that Scott put Walker out of the game and he’s now likely to be out for 6 weeks. Meanwhile Scott will get probably 2 weeks penalty. This situation shows to other sides that you can take a star player out of the game for extended periods for a minimum cost to your team. If the injury had been caused accidentally, or even through an illegal act that doesnt intend the harm it causes, that can be excused. But not for a premeditated act of violence to cause injury. He should be off for the same period Walker is unavailable. In criminal law such violence gets a gaol sentence. On a football field its ten minutes and two weeks suspension. What a joke. When we see such behaviour against Smith, Thurston, Cronk, wait for the outcry.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 21st 2018 @ 11:16am
              Ray Paks said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:16am | ! Report

              If I was Walker I’d open criminal proceedings against Scott for assault
              The NRL will never see a punch thrown until the end of time if that became the standard

              Someone is going to tell me that it can’t be done because …

              • May 21st 2018 @ 11:51am
                Noel said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:51am | ! Report

                I can’t speak for NSW, but in QLD, it can be done. I’ve been involved in similar situations (albeit bush footy) where serious assaults leading to GBH have happened off the ball. People have been charged and successfully prosecuted.

                It all comes down to an implied consent to violence, and how much of that is within the contemplation of the parties. 6 weeks rehab tends to suggest this injury is not GBH, so the bar would be a bit lower, I’d think. Still, given the rules of the game currently, there’d be a strong argument, I would think, that punches have been totally outlawed, so no punch can be justified by the nature of the sport. The next question is, was this otherwise a consensual fight (or did Scott have that mistaken belief).

                As for Api, he’s got all sorts of legal defences given the circumstances, which is hilarious on one sense where his punch over the top, to me, looks morally much worse.

                There is some precedent for this in NSW – see McCraken and Bai (that might have been in Victoria, I can’t remember). Though I’m not sure if they were criminal prosecutions or civil suits.

              • Columnist

                May 21st 2018 @ 12:18pm
                Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

                Problem with that Ray is that then Walker’s provocation – both at the time of the event and historically – comes in to play in a way it never does in the NRL.
                Walker deadset picked it. He was at Scott all game and, after the first melee, went back in again. He got ten in the bin and a busted eye but it won the game.
                He incited riot.
                He’s unlikely to get much sympathy from an actual court.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 1:05pm
                McTavish said | May 21st 2018 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

                I think his case may be compromised by the fact that he reportedly asked Scott to hit him!

              • May 21st 2018 @ 4:01pm
                bearfax said | May 21st 2018 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                But Tim you have missed the point. It really doesnt matter whether Walker stirred Scott up or not. That sort of thing is part of the game. In law you cant be gaoled for stirring someone. You can for assault. But most importantly, Scott will probably get 2 weeks for an action that will leave Walker sidelined for 6 weeks. There is no excuse mate for assault, no matter the apparent verbal incitement. Know your law. But most importantly its the issue raised about Thurston. Targetting a star player for whatever the reason and puting them out of the game, has just become worthwhile. What if that had happened to one of your teams best? Oh for the days of Comans and real disciplinary action instead of this slap on the wrist attitude. Its making serious assault a joke on the field. If Scott had punched someone in like manner in the community, no matter the verbal provocation it would be AOABH and that’s gaol time.

              • May 21st 2018 @ 5:48pm
                Jeffrey Dun said | May 21st 2018 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

                “If I was Walker I’d open criminal proceedings against Scott for assault”

                There are precedents in NSW, eg:

                Garry Jack v Ian Roberts
                Dale Shearer v David French
                Stever Rogers v Mark Bugden

            • Roar Rookie

              May 21st 2018 @ 11:32am
              BA Sports said | May 21st 2018 @ 11:32am | ! Report

              Stars of the game? Dylan Walker? What the plan was ‘if we knock out Walker, we have a chance to win…’? Please.
              And In “criminal law”, Korisau would have been up for worse given it was a coward punch on a guy that wasn’t looking.

              • Roar Rookie

                May 21st 2018 @ 12:17pm
                Ray Paks said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

                Walker had about 2 punches thrown at him (2nd one landed flush which broke his eye socket) before he could get in a position to properly defend himself, retaliate.

                Looking at someone without expecting to get hit is as good as not looking at someone! It’s not a boxing match! Scott broke the rules and he should be made an example of, 6 to 7 weeks on the sidelines

                The plan may have not been to win the game by knocking out Walker but they still lost and lost good and he was in the bin for 10 minutes

          • Columnist

            May 21st 2018 @ 9:56am
            Tim Gore said | May 21st 2018 @ 9:56am | ! Report

            Yeah, i was really annoyed by the manner of Api’s Departure. It wasn’t a good look.

            • Roar Guru

              May 21st 2018 @ 12:41pm
              Con Scortis said | May 21st 2018 @ 12:41pm | ! Report

              Hi Tim, I remember last year when Jayden Brailey had broken his jaw in the Sharks vs Manly game, Dylan Walker was in Jayden’s face yelling something along the lines of, “get up you soft c..t”. It was even picked up on the mike.

              I have mates who are Sharks fans and they loathe Walker because of the way he carried on. It’s funny that people called Ennis a grub, but he never yelled abuse at a clearly injured player.

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 3:09pm
                Renegade said | May 21st 2018 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

                Walker is a peasant… people saying he wasn’t expecting a punch are dreaming… considering he asked Scott to hit him!

              • Roar Guru

                May 21st 2018 @ 3:58pm
                Jason Hosken said | May 21st 2018 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                I know where this is headed. TG is loading a Matt Ridge on Ricky Stuart rant…stand aside.

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