Crusaders poach Australian schoolboy star

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    Schoolboy star Campbell Parata has promised his future to the Crusaders despite having played his most promising footy on Australian soil.

    The New Zealand-born first-five eighth moved to Western Australia with his family but has set his sights on a return to his homeland.

    “He’s a New Zealand kid and a lovely kid, and mum and dad are really nice people but at the end of the day they’re from New Zealand and always wanted to go back there,” said head of national XVs programmes Adrian Thompson.

    “It’s a bit different to Nick Frost who chose the Crusaders ahead of the Waratahs, for example. It was more the fact that the kid just wants to go home.”

    Thompson said that he and Junior Wallabies coach Jason Gilmore had been in touch with Parata in April.

    “We touched base with them and got them down to watch the 20s final and everything, but they came back to us and just said that they were keen to go home,” he said.

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    • August 13th 2018 @ 10:03am
      robert said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

      poached? australian?

      • August 15th 2018 @ 1:55am
        USrugger said | August 15th 2018 @ 1:55am | ! Report

        LOL! Truly… I abhor the term, but this banner is total ‘fake news’…

    • Roar Guru

      August 13th 2018 @ 10:14am
      pformagg said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:14am | ! Report

      The New Zealand-born. How is that poached?

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      August 13th 2018 @ 10:25am
      taylorman said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:25am | ! Report

      Well for me poached is about someone playing for someone other than the club or country the player learned most of their rugby from. If he came through the oz school and or club system then players he in a rugby sense hes poached for me. Bit like Tipou.

      • August 13th 2018 @ 1:33pm
        jameswm said | August 13th 2018 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

        Depends who chased who for mine.

      • August 14th 2018 @ 8:34pm
        Scrumma said | August 14th 2018 @ 8:34pm | ! Report

        Tupou wasn’t poached. Tupou left because he demanded the NZRU give him a contract or he’ll sign with the ARU. The NZRU let him go because they asked him to continue with the NZ secondary schools rugby programme and he said see yous later and the NZRU said, ‘chur catch you later’.

    • August 13th 2018 @ 10:42am
      Jacko said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:42am | ! Report

      it makes me wonder where he would choose to play if the Force were still a SR side, however if he sees himself as a Kiwi from the South then his choice. lots of kiwi’s live in Perth/WA

      • August 13th 2018 @ 2:33pm
        ajg said | August 13th 2018 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

        I really hope more people focus on this aspect of cutting the force

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          August 13th 2018 @ 3:14pm
          Train Without A Station said | August 13th 2018 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

          That players happy to go to school in QLD might decide to move back to NZ where they spent most of their life to pursue their professional career?

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            August 14th 2018 @ 5:54pm
            piru said | August 14th 2018 @ 5:54pm | ! Report

            I’m a kiwi from the South, I would have played for the Force had they been around (or I had any talent) at that age.

            TWAS you can’t seriously disregard this component – had there been an option in WA there’s a good chance he’d have stayed here.

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              August 14th 2018 @ 6:05pm
              Train Without A Station said | August 14th 2018 @ 6:05pm | ! Report

              Had there been an option in WA in none in QLD sure.

              But why would there be a contract in WA that wasn’t in QLD? If anything the Rebels have more of a recent history on contracting players at this age.

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              August 14th 2018 @ 6:55pm
              One Eye said | August 14th 2018 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

              Why would he have stayed when his parents returned to NZ?
              You above all should know how marginalised NZers are by the Aus government, why should he pledge himself to country he has no pathway to citizenship for?

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2018 @ 11:22am
                John R said | August 15th 2018 @ 11:22am | ! Report

                Why doesn’t he have a pathway to citizenship?

              • Roar Rookie

                August 15th 2018 @ 5:19pm
                One Eye said | August 15th 2018 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

                John – NZ citizens arriving in Aus after 2002 have “Temporary Residency” which can be revoked at any time and has no way to lead to citizenship.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 15th 2018 @ 11:32am
                piru said | August 15th 2018 @ 11:32am | ! Report

                Because his family and he lived in WA – I can’t believe that needed saying

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                August 15th 2018 @ 5:21pm
                One Eye said | August 15th 2018 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

                He’s a kiwi and his parents returned to NZ and the Aus government doesn’t want NZers in the country.

                Can’t believe you need to be reminded of that.

              • August 15th 2018 @ 10:51pm
                terrence said | August 15th 2018 @ 10:51pm | ! Report

                All NZers, sent back to NZ at anytime? Phew, finally we may have a solution to the (ahem) immigration problem Australia has. Has anyone emailed Senator Fraser Anning to let him know?

                Problem solved.

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                August 17th 2018 @ 11:55am
                John R said | August 17th 2018 @ 11:55am | ! Report

                That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a pathway to citizenship.

                A mate of mine arrived here in 2006 and got his PR last year.

                Your comment about the government not wanting NZ’ers here is in direct contradiction with the facts. There is approximately 600,000+ New Zealanders living in Australia.

                That’s a huge amount considering that the government doesn’t want them here 😂😂😂

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                August 17th 2018 @ 12:03pm
                piru said | August 17th 2018 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                We know you love us really

                Who would do your scaffolding or coach your rugby teams?

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                August 17th 2018 @ 12:07pm
                John R said | August 17th 2018 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

                Exactly!

                And if there were none here, then, well I wouldn’t have been born here, and I’d have no one to watch rugby with!

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                August 17th 2018 @ 3:21pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 17th 2018 @ 3:21pm | ! Report

                Piru,

                You forgot steel fixing too.

                John in appears old mate is unaware of the fact that despite the previous pathway changing, there is still a pathway by various means, and is the type of person who just assumes if he is oblivious to something, it doesn’t exist.

                Ultimately you and I know that the path to citizenship is now just based around the skills register, etc. which has meant being from NZ doesn’t just offer an automatic pathway to citizenship now, but it’s a merit based pathway.

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        August 13th 2018 @ 3:13pm
        Train Without A Station said | August 13th 2018 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

        Yeah that’s probably it.

        Was happy to move cross country to go to school but pursuing a professional career is too much…

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          August 13th 2018 @ 4:35pm
          Die hard said | August 13th 2018 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

          Was happy to follow his parents who were working in Perth but are now moving back to NZ is how I read the article TWAS.

          They were keen to return home, the article says.

          Why the spiteful reply. You are usually well balanced and fair.

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            August 13th 2018 @ 5:09pm
            Bakkies said | August 13th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

            ‘You are usually well balanced and fair’

            Not when it comes to paid employees of the RA.

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            August 13th 2018 @ 5:09pm
            Train Without A Station said | August 13th 2018 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

            Because it’s people inventing rubbish to push an agenda.

            This kid going to NZ has zero to do with the Force.

            He showed he was clearly willing to relocate for opportunity by taking up a scholarship at TSS. That wasn’t following his parents.

            Nothing spiteful towards the kid. Just people like Jacko grinding their axe.

            • August 14th 2018 @ 8:33am
              Jacko said | August 14th 2018 @ 8:33am | ! Report

              Haha Mr Grumpy this week TWAS….There is no axe to grind…I asked a pretty obvious question from what I read…….Being in WA and wanting to play pro rugby at SR level cannot happen but JUST MAYBE if their was a option closer to where he lives he would have done that, so jump off your high horse and take some “happy” pills and stop being a “train without a thought”

              • Roar Guru

                August 14th 2018 @ 8:59am
                Train Without A Station said | August 14th 2018 @ 8:59am | ! Report

                Hardly obvious when the kid is at school in QLD…

              • August 14th 2018 @ 5:39pm
                Jacko said | August 14th 2018 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

                Shame the article mentions he lives in WA not QLD then isnt it TWAS. Is it becoming obvious now ……. perhaps in your haste to find fault in everything anyone writes you could have mentioned the fact you knew but the article did not state

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                August 14th 2018 @ 6:03pm
                piru said | August 14th 2018 @ 6:03pm | ! Report

                Perhaps when you are looking to make a career as a pro rugby player (and are good enough to attract the attention of the Crusaders) it pays to be at a school with proximity to a Super side.

    • Roar Rookie

      August 13th 2018 @ 10:43am
      Dave_S said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:43am | ! Report

      Pffft, it’s not like we don’t have heaps of flyhalfs anyway …

      • August 13th 2018 @ 12:23pm
        Boggles the Mind said | August 13th 2018 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

        Why would you stay in Oz when Foley will play for another 5 years as Wallaby 10.

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      August 13th 2018 @ 10:47am
      Hoy said | August 13th 2018 @ 10:47am | ! Report

      The issue here is what was RA doing? Are they recruiting youngsters at all? Are they keeping the right ones? I just see so many young halves popping up in League, this bloke is going home etc… What are they doing at this level? We never hear much about it.

      I don’t understand the academy system, but here’s something a bit odd…
      Correct me if I am wrong, but: QLD Schoolboys, Aus Schoolboys etc… the tournament between states was held some weeks ago. Selections for the teams must have been a while ago… well before QLD schools are even playing rugby. So who is selected? Who is invited? A lot of reputation from the year before I guess? Which leaves out quite a few players potentially having a good year this year one would think.

      So Australian Schoolboys team is picked from teams picked majority from the year previous? Is that accurate? Can someone tell me?

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        August 13th 2018 @ 11:51am
        Bakkies said | August 13th 2018 @ 11:51am | ! Report

        Great post a lot to answer here. I will have a go.

        – The Brumbies have re-introduced their academy and have managed to prevent young talent from going to the NRL or NZ Rugby. Will Goddard, Boyd Hollingsworth-Dessent (who was on this site last year), Lachlan Lonergan, etc. Young Jiminez who again starred at the Schoolboys Championships at fullback is a must signing. Charlie Rorke was given an offer by the Brumbies (so he wasn’t completely ignored) but chose the Raiders. At least he is in Canberra so the Brumbies can keep an eye on him if Ricky Stuart doesn’t give him game time.

        In WA the Future Force has been kept going was bankrolled by Twiggy when they were in Super Rugby and was starting to produce players. A lot of them were the backbone of the Spirit’s NRC win.

        – The Schoolboys selection has been political for sometime. Often hasn’t made sense. The other issue for me is they don’t play enough matches together to feed in to the under 20s. This year they will be touring for the first time since 2012 to the UK and Ireland so it will give the Queensland boys a chance to impress.

        – Alan Jones has been banging on about a restructure of the Schoolboys program and I agree with him. The ASRU hasn’t moved with the times and I think the RA have taken more control (well that is like passing it around amongst the blind). He suggests that the Schoolboys are moved to the under 18 or under 19s model that Wales, England and Ireland have had for some time and be run by the national governing body instead of the Schoolboys Union who they have no control over. These unions play in regular fixtures to prepare them for further representative Rugby particularly the Under 20s.

        Apart from the politics over selection and coaches he further points that Australia has fallen way behind in player development compared to their international competitors and you can’t disagree with him there.

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          August 13th 2018 @ 12:26pm
          Hoy said | August 13th 2018 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

          Thanks Bakkies… I have not been in the schools system for quite a long time, so it is hard to know what is happening at the moment… Just some impressions though…

          Schools play about 10-12 games tops. Some less. That is a lot less than the NZ schools teams isn’t it? We know that more game time means better development. It just isn’t enough. IF the academies are selected from such a small sample size to begin with, then many will be left out of the elite development pathways really, won’t they? Particularly if they select from the Schoolboys teams, who are possibly picked incorrectly…

          Look at last years schoolboys championships. NSW came where? 4th? Yet had bulk majority of the Aus schools squad. Very strange, that the finalists, QLD II and ACT, who I think finished undefeated only had something like 5 between them in the squad. Just makes a mockery of it all really.

          But again, I know a lot of league players are promised, and then put through the GPS system to learn about some professionalism, but where are League pulling these young blokes from, and why can’t RA do the same? The League clubs have scouts out and about… Honest question, Do the Reds? Do the Tahs? Do the Rebels? Does RA at all? They used to have Development Officers, but I haven’t heard about them lately… Do they still exist? Not that they are talent scouts, but by being on ground, producing programs in areas, surely they can see good players?

          Just what is RA doing? Or is the divide between RA and the provinces again causing issues here? Would it be easier to recruit if it was all under a national system?

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            August 13th 2018 @ 12:55pm
            Bakkies said | August 13th 2018 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

            ‘Schools play about 10-12 games tops. Some less.’

            In NSW GPS and CAS comps only half of them would be competition matches. In the ACT since the merging of the ASC and ACTJRU comps the schools would play about 13 to 14 games in the regular season than there will be finals. That’s far better and that is without playing Waratah Shield which I believe the ACT schools have again been kicked out of. I think the Kiwi schools play that amount of matches at least. SA seem to play more.

            Kalyn Ponga said recently that he played schoolboy Rugby with Brodie Croft who is now at the Melbourne Storm.

            There was big relief in ACT Rugby when Goddard signed with the Brumbies Academy. He plays flyhalf and there were rumours that the Chiefs or Crusaders were interested in signing him. The Brumbies brought down at least two players from Sydney to join the academy.

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              August 13th 2018 @ 2:44pm
              Hoy said | August 13th 2018 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

              Back in the day in QLD, we used to play over terms 2, and half of term 3… now they all play term 3 only don’t they? Can someone in NSW help me out? I see there are only 6 schools in the Sydney comp? How many games do the firsts play?

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                August 13th 2018 @ 3:40pm
                Bakkies said | August 13th 2018 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

                I believe they are term 3 only in Qld. In NSW both the CAS and GPS have 6 teams each so they only play 5 competition games. I think there were talks of playing a home and away GPS season. There are three schools that don’t compete in the 1st XV competition Sydney Grammar, Sydney High and The Armidale School.

        • August 14th 2018 @ 1:26pm
          Highlander said | August 14th 2018 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

          Am in Sydney nice and early for Bledisloe 1 and last Saturday took the opportunity to go and watch my sons old school First XV, Barker College hand out a 50 point hiding to their traditional rivals and complete their 5 game competitive season undefeated.

          What struck me was the quality of talent on display.
          Barker have kids at loosehead, lock, number 8, halfback and fullback as good as anything running round in the NZ southern districts First XV schools comp. If you want to see an aussie halfback with a bullet pass get yourself up to Barker for a look.

          Over many years I have seen real quality pass through this comp never to be heard of again, there has to be an issue somehwere in the pathways which narrows the funnel too quickly so that not enough schoolboy talents are given the chance to be managed through to the next level.

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