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‘Last year I warned that if we didn’t start performing at the Wallaby level, here in Townsville we may not survive until 2026 or 2027. This year down to four first grade teams from a recent seven.’

I’m sure you’re right but it also shows how too much of the game’s popularity has been built solely on the Wallabies’ performance instead of trying to make the game attractive at tier two level.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

This is always going to happen.

RA have done what’s reasonable by offering a top-up but shouldn’t break the bank for him.

Instead put the money saved into keeping three young players in similar positions.

Having said that I doubt he’ll actually go to a ProD2 team however much money is on offer.

Wallabies in danger of losing Hanigan to ambitious French club just as forward enters his prime

You’d need to be a washed up, alcoholic country and western singer to sign this one now.

'Definition of madness': Rugby reform must start with total cleanout of RA board - and this should happen next

It’s a good point. Basically you go to the broadcasters and ask them how much they’ll pay for a team in a particular location. They’ll know the number of games they’d get and the area covered, and they give you a price. Advertising is then factored in along with any private equity involved.

On that basis you decide how many and which ones are possible.

So you cost it in advance rather than just trying some and hoping they pay.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

This can all be priced in advance with broadcasters and what’s possible known. They may well pay more for certain areas than others.

Once advertising, as private equity if there is any and costs are factored in, and then the number can be known.

Australia probably has a lot of potential markets-the issue in the beginning is players.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

That sounds good.

You’d probably have to get everyone playing in the Champions Cup though to make more money and play simultaneously as in Europe to spread interest.

In terms of number of teams what’s possible can be discovered by getting it priced by broadcasters who will say how much they’ll pay for more teams.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

The bizarre thing is that Super AU and Super AO were domestic, but also linked to Super Rugby Trans-Tasman (although should have been played at the same time), so there was both domestic and international.
The domestic points could even be counted to Trans-Tasman as well.
In future it could be altered, reshaped, marketed in any way.
But at least it was something that began to bring a domestic tournament of some sort into the format. A first step.
Then it was thrown out…
In terms of the A-League the greatest irony of all is that it was John O’Neill who created a near perfect format for the wrong sport (and one which enabled it to severely damage rugby).
Call that Super rugby AU if need be. Make its point also go to the Trans-Tasman format if necessary.
But it needs to also have a separate table with a separate finals series. The winner can get an automatic Trans-Tasman finals series.
Also, not that much needs to be changed to do this.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

The amazing thing is that this has been known for twenty years.

The only change in that time has been the addition of the Rebels, pushing the season a little later, and adding teams in distant places as if they’ll save the day. None of this fundamentally addresses the problem though.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

If Ben is that massive and powerful it’s best to avoid doubting him again.

Also, perhaps Eddie Jones chose his RWC squad through matching on Tinder.

If Australia is looking for big men, let's not neglect the old and the fat

It’s worth remembering this is a moment of realisation.
Until the South African teams left, RA could try to convince everyone that Super Rugby was ‘global’, using the ‘global’ strengths of the game and therefore one day it would become popular. Becoming popular meant the Wallabies win, solving all woes.
Then the South African teams left and a domestic+international competition hybrid (Super AU+Super Trans-Tasman) was tried for the blink of an eye, and then inexplicably abandoned to keep the format ‘global’ (Australia AND New Zealand ONLY…).
Supposedly for years everyone had been hankering for a Trans-Tasman format by itself anyway.
So how would this work?
Not well it seems.
And therefore this is the moment of realisation. The format with South African teams didn’t actually work domestically, and today we realise the Trans-Tasman format alone doesn’t work domestically.
It doesn’t matter if rugby connoisseurs on the Roar enjoy it and personally I do, as it is by far the best club rugby tournament in the world (if you actually watch the Northern tournaments you’ll see why), because we can’t multiply ourselves into 20,000 fans in ten different locations in Australia and ten in New Zealand.
In addition to the Trans-Tasman tournament not working with fans, there is also less money from TV. (The season is so short it hardly makes any money anyway).
Perhaps it’s better though without the South African teams as they only masked the lack of popularity and decline of the game at home.
I wonder if this was all based on a mis-comparison with the NRL, thinking that as it looks like a ‘Trans-Tasman’ format and works for fans, a rugby ‘Trans-Tasman’ format would work as well?
If so this is absolutely false comparison. The NRL is an almost completely Australian tournament that satisfies the lust for the average fan for a domestic tournament, that Super rugby doesn’t give. It doesn’t provide a domestic tournament for New Zealand but that doesn’t matter as there’s only one team.
In Super Rugby though there is such an even balance in scale between the two countries that it can’t be a domestic competition for either.
So it can’t appeal as the NRL does.
The first stage of the solution was accidentally found in putting the domestic tournaments Super Rugby AU and Super Rugby AO INSIDE Super Rugby by separating Super Rugby Trans-Tasman thereby keeping both domestic and international, but there you are.
So, what next?
What’s the solution?

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

A better defence than ‘They very rarely offer any viable solution’ would be to describe the solution RA are offering themselves, as it’s their job to do it.
I wonder what kind of ‘solution’ cutting Super rugby AU three years ago was (and to what problem?).
If the problem is not enough money, and the season is too short meaning a lot of money is lost, what’s the solution?
If it’s admitted that there are problems, then the solutions should be described as ‘continue the same thing as now’ obviously won’t be a solution.

'Easy to throw stones': RA chairman hits back at mudslingers' 'hypocrisy' after calls for AGM board cleanout

Karmichael Hunt tried at the same time at 23.

Those are the big two missed chances (in that they actually tried to come, rather than being chased, and were young).

Brumbies to welcome back Wallabies duo for 'Canes clash after week of soul-searching, Tahs to tweak side for Chiefs

Alas yes-he tried to come at 20 years old but the ARU missed out!

Brumbies to welcome back Wallabies duo for 'Canes clash after week of soul-searching, Tahs to tweak side for Chiefs

No and despite the bashing you read occasionally I think the standard to be an NFL running back will be incredibly high.
And if he wanted to go to the NRL he could have done it all along.
It’s a great time to be a player his age with Lions tour and home RWC coinciding with peak years of his career.
With 32 caps at 24 he could approach 100 in the end.
Hopefully he can be a little like Nonu and go from somewhat imperfect to consistency of performance and reliability at a similar age.

'It's disappointing': Petaia's Super season over - and it could end his Reds career

Mark Nawaquanitawase must be experiencing mixed feelings now.

Does he actually want to go through with it or and miss the Lions tour and home RWC?

Or can he get out of his contract…

He probably signed up in emotional turmoil after the pandemonium of Jones’ RWC.

He might even think he can walk back into the team for the Lions.

But he won’t. Schmidt will play whoever we’re the last two wings in the European tour unless an exceptional new player like Folau turns up as happened last time.

Then Mark would have to break into the team past younger players and even the man he’s replacing, Suaalii, for the RWC.

But it would have been so much easier for an incumbent…

Brumbies to welcome back Wallabies duo for 'Canes clash after week of soul-searching, Tahs to tweak side for Chiefs

Folau came from league, not the other way round.

Brumbies to welcome back Wallabies duo for 'Canes clash after week of soul-searching, Tahs to tweak side for Chiefs

I agree RTS was very badly used.

However he was almost 90 which didn’t help.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

Yes but a couple were in France. Had he stayed the coaches would have had to open up the competition for centre instead of Nonu/Smith keeping it a closed shop. But his leaving simplified it for them.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

Look at SBW’s offload break to Nonu to turn the match in the 2015 final. That’s not mediocre at all…

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

I watched plenty of them comfortably.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

2015 I meant.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

Typo 2015.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

Actually than the whole Northern hemisphere.

Hansen's done Joey Manu no favours comparing him to SBW. He'll be more like RTS - and Foz is the reason why

Petaia should want to stay the next four years as he’ll be 26 for the Lions and 28 at the RWC in Australia plus Olympics the year after. As for RA there’s hardly so much talent around it can just throw it away.
The NRL and most oddly NFL don’t have anything that unusual to offer.
Just State of Origin.
Also injury can be the rare opportunity for exhausted internationals to rest and re-motivate.

'It's disappointing': Petaia's Super season over - and it could end his Reds career

The irony of course is that Super Rugby is still easily the best club competition in the world.
Those that claim the northern competitions are good just haven’t watched them.
But yet SR hasn’t managed to appeal to anyone.
When I say the competition isn’t working it doesn’t mean I personally don’t enjoy watching it. It means that the other thousands of supposed potential rugby fans don’t enjoy it.

'Definition of madness': Rugby reform must start with total cleanout of RA board - and this should happen next

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