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GO Jamaica !

Who could dethrone Australia at the next Rugby League World Cup?

Dwayne
A point system to replace the salary cap is kind of the same thing I think. I think the salary cap works fine there hasn’t been a team that has lingered too long at the bottom except for Newcastle but that had to do with inept administration, Once they got their act together they are now in the finals race. To be honest salary caps discussions are not my strength I don’t really know all the ins & outs of how it all works but I would like to see club loyalty get some exemptions other then that I don’t know much about it.

A model for the future of the NRL

Nick
It’s not about the AFL putting another team in Sydney, it’s about disenfranchising a supporter base that would rather tune in to an AFL or Rugby match then a Rugby League game once their team has been lost. I think the same thing goes with the AFL if any team from Melbourne got booted you would probably get more people involved with the storm & a whole supporter base tuning out.

A model for the future of the NRL

Greg
Your right ! Super League would have to align themselves up with the NRL for an International window to exist mid season. I thought this way would work because state of origin just kills club footy for a bout 6 weeks. To just have state of origin & no club games would be a boring weekend. This would be a good time for other countries to get more exposure to the game and gives these countries a bit more experience which hopefully leads to higher standards which leads to a better International competition.
The 3rd tier rural competitions are the local competitions not a competition in it self so they are individual comps for instance for the North Coast RL it would be Port Macquarie v Grafton etc.

A model for the future of the NRL

I don’t wish for Penrith to relocate just take 1 game to Bathurst a year should be fine however in 30 years + who knows they could be struggling & have no option but to relocate. So incase of this scenario I chose Bathurst to be the back up town because if they take a game there over the years they are bound to get a following so moving there in the future would hope there is already a fan base set up.

A model for the future of the NRL

Micko
Well hopefully teams will play there as an away game & Perth have their own team.

A model for the future of the NRL

Randy
Sydney has about 5 million compared to Brisbane 2.5 so taking a team out in Sydney would leave a hole but I get where you are coming from. If you look at my list I would like to see 2 more QLD teams and over time Sydney teams can look at relocating, pending on finance or better opportunities elsewhere.

A model for the future of the NRL

MAX
Well Max they did merge so it is not like I just picked a spot for them on a map. I suggested just building a eastern grandstand at WIN stadium & playing a few more games there and still take a few games to Kogarah. The crowds are about the same over the last 2 years so with an eastern grandstand at WIN might bring the crowd average up & looks better on TV then a wet empty hill at Kogarah

A model for the future of the NRL

This problem can be solved with a low cost solution 1# Build a Eastern grandstand at WIN Stadium, 2# Souths & Roosters play at SFS, 3# Manly move to Gosford Stadium, 4# Tigers & Bulldogs play at ANZ or build a stadium at Liverpool. 5# Parramatta playing at Bank west, Penrith at Penrith & the Sharks playing at Shark Park or the Sharks could build a Stadium at Miranda.

Which Sydney suburban rugby league grounds should be redeveloped?

It’s not a bad idea on having a National Reserve Grade competition that replicates the NRL but I rather see the NSWRL, QLDRL, NZRL being the 2nd tiers. The 3rd tiers being the Ron Massey Cup, the Brisbane Cup & all the other NSW & QLD country local competitions that exist.

What rugby league should look like post-COVID: Part 2

I don’t think they need to build 4 new stadiums, Win stadium just needs a eastern grandstand & that stadium would look alright.
The (Illawarra – St George Dragons) could play full time in Wollongong & take a few games to Kogarah.
The (Central Coast- Manly Sea Eagles) could move to Gosford fulltime & play a few games at Brookvale.
As you mentioned the Roosters & Rabbitoh’s could play out of Allianz (SFS).
Tigers & Bulldogs could share ANZ (as long as they play at good crowd friendly timeslots for example 4pm Sat) or they could share a 25,000 to 30,000 seater boutique stadium that could be built in Liverpool, Sydney.
Cronulla are renovating their stadium however a 25,000 – 30,000 seater boutique stadium at Miranda that is more central to the area, has transport, shops, restaurants & parking.
Parramatta have Bankwest.
Penrith have a descent stadium that will need an upgrade in the next decade or so.

The NSW stadium policy is in shambles, but there is hope

NRL
Port Moresby Hunters – (2035+)
Nth QLD Cowboys – (Take 1 game to Cairns)
Sunshine Coast Dolphins – Sunshine Stadium (2023+) (Take 4 games to Redcliffe)
Brisbane Broncos – (Take 1 game to Port Moresby)
* West Brisbane Jets – Central Queensland Capras (Rockhampton) – Suva (Fiji) – or Darwin
Gold Coast Titans (1 game to Rockhampton)
Newcastle Knights (Take 1 game to Tamworth)
Central Coast – Manly Sea Eagles – Gosford stadium (2021+) (Take 2 games to Brookvale)
Penrith Panthers – Penrith Stadium (Takes 1 game to Bathurst) (Possible relocation) (2050+)
Parramatta Eels – Parramatta Stadium (Takes 1 game to Darwin)
Western Sydney Tigers – ANZ (Take 2 game to Leichhardt – 2 games to Campbelltown)
Canterbury Bulldogs – ANZ (takes 2 games to Belmore) – (Take 1 game to Christchurch NZ) (Possible future relocation) (Rename Canterbury Bulldogs)(2035+)
Sydney Roosters – Allianz Stadium (Take 2 games to North Sydney)
South Sydney Rabbits – Allianz Stadium (Take 1 game to Hobart) (Possible Relocation to Hobart)(2050+)
Cronulla Sharks – (Take 1 game to Coffs Harbour) (Possible future relocation to Coffs Harbour)(2050+) (Rename Coffs Harbour Sharks)
Illawarra – St George Dragons – Wollongong (Take 2 games to Kogarah)
Canberra Raiders (1 game to Wagga Wagga)
Melbourne Storm (Take 1 game to Albury – Geelong)
Adelaide Bulls – (2028+)
Perth Redbacks – (2023+)
Auckland Warriors (Take 1 game in NZ Country)
Wellington Wolves (2023+)
NSW Cup
North Coast Dolphins (Coffs Harbour)
New England Razorbacks (Tamworth)
Newcastle Knights (Reserve)
Central Coast Centurions
Manly Sea Eagles (2)
North Sydney Bears (Rooster reserve)
South Sydney (2)
Newtown Jets (Sharks Reserve)
St George Dragons (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Balmain Tigers (West Tigers reserve)
Western Suburbs Magpies (West Tigers reserve)
Parramatta Eels (2)
Canterbury Bulldogs (2)
Penrith Panthers (2)
Illawarra Steelers (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Western Rams (Bathurst)
Canberra Raiders (2)
Riverina Bulls (Wagga Wagga)
QLD Cup
Port Moresby Hunters
Darwin (Destroyers)
Northern Pride
Townsville Blackhawks
Mackay Cutters
Central QLD Capra’s
*Gladstone Gladiators
*Bundaberg (Polar Bears)
Sunshine Coast Falcons
Redcliffe Dolphins
Norths Devils
East Tigers
Wynnum – Manly (Sea Eagles)
Souths – Logan Magpies
Ipswich Jets
Toowoomba Mustang
Burleigh Bears
Tweed Heads Seagulls
Adelaide Rams
West Coast Pirates
NZRL Cup
Kaiviti Silktails
Pacifique Triaze
*Nuku’alofa (Tonga)
*Apia (Samoa)
Akarana Falcons
Counties – Manukua Stingrays
Bay of Plenty Lakers
Taranaki
Waikato Stalions
Wellington Orcas
Canterbury (Bulldogs)
Otago Whalers
Sydney Metro Cup (Tier 3)
Belrose Eagles
Asquith Magpies
Windsor Wolves
St Mary’s Saints
Blacktown Workers
Guildford Owls
Mt Pritchard Mounties
Cabramatta Two Blues
Wentworth Magpies
Moorebank Rams
Sydney Uni
Annandale Dales
Glebe Dirty Reds
Ryde – Eastwood Eagles
Concord – Burwood Wolves
Liverpool Catholic Raiders
Alexander Rovers
Coogee Dolphins
Renown United
Sutherland Pirates
NRL Season
Pre Season
All Stars
9’s
Trials (Country Grounds)
Trials (Country Grounds)
Trials (Country Grounds)
Season Launch
NRL (1- 11 rounds)
Rep Week 1
Tonga v PNG
Fiji v Samoa
Ireland v Wales
Scotland v France
Rep Week 2
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Fiji v Tonga – Ireland v Scotland
Sat Samoa v PNG – France v Wales
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – Philadelphia) – curtain raiser (Canada v Jamaica – USA v Latin Heat)
Sun NSW v QLD u20’s
Sun NSW v QLD Rotate (Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide)
Rep Week 3
Fri QLD v NSW (WNRL)
Sat Tonga v Samoa – Scotland v Wales
Sat PNG v Fiji – France v Ireland
Sat New Zealand v England (Canada – Toronto) curtain raiser (Jamaica v Latin Heat – Canada v USA)
Sun QLD v NSW U20’s
Sun QLD v NSW
Rep Week 4
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Top 2 Pacific Cup Finals – Top 2 European Cup Finals
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – New York) curtain raiser (Canada v Latin – USA v Jamaica)
Sun NSW v QLD 20’s
Sun NSW v QLD
NRL (Round 12 – Round 22 )
Finals
Week 1 Finals
Week 2 Finals
Week 3 Finals
Week 4 NSWRL Grand Final + Ron Massey + Jersey Flegg + SG Ball – QLDRL Grand Final- NZRL
Week 5 NRL Grand Final + (NSWRL v QLDRL Winners)
(Post Season)
World Club Challenge
European Winner v Pacific Winner
(New Zealand v England) loser v Winner (European v Pacific)
(New Zealand v England) winner v Australia
Week 1 Rugby League World 9’s
Week 2 Rugby League World 9’s Finals

What rugby league should look like post-COVID: Part 1

Good article ! I wrote a similar article a few months ago about expanding the 2nd tiers. My piece was more about expanding the NSWRL with Country NSW teams though. I mentioned a bit about expanding the QLDRL into Darwin & WestCoast with SA joining down the track. The difference in my idea to yours is mine is about expanding the NZRL into a 2nd tier comp that includes the 8 teams from NZ and a team from Fiji, Tonga, Somoa and maybe this might be a far fetched idea but maybe Hawaii could be added to that list down the road.

How a farm system could help the NRL expand

May the 28th to reboot the season means that there is only 13 weeks of the season remaining & since they already have played 2 games which is 15 weeks. With 16 teams, they just need to play each other once. Once the NRL work out a draw they just have to organise the venues, logistics & accomadation, easy !

Craig Bellamy is right - settle down with the ‘innovations’

I admire Wayne Bennett, he has been a great coach for a long time & has been great for the code. It will be sad to see him go but he can’t coach forever & if South’s do well he should leave on his terms in the next year or two & become a coach mentor if he wants.

The five clubs that could use Wayne Bennett

PGNEWC
I like the idea of the Sunshine Coast Dolphins with a new stadium on the Sunny Coast while taking a few games to Redcliffe however Brisbane Jets playing at Suncorp would be the answer to Suncorp being used every week

No hope in North Sydney, but the Bears could blossom in Brisbane

My Island home; should be the indigenous anthem, it’s a great song that was written by a indigenous man, but that’s just my opinion.

National anthem won't be played at NRL All Stars match

Hopefully in 10 years there will be 20 teams in the NRL Perth Redbacks, Wellington Wolves, Adelaide Bulls, Sunshine Coast Dolphins or Brisbane Jets playing 20 rounds with 4 representative weekends.
Souths & Roosters will be sharing Allianz
West Tigers & Bulldogs will be sharing Liverpool Stadium or ANZ
Dragons will be playing out of Wollongong fulltime when the Eastern Grandstand is Finished
Manly will relocate to the Central Coast
Tonga, Samoa, Fiji will have a team in the NZ Cup
NSW Country teams will be in the NSW Cup
Darwin, West Coast, Adelaide, Toowoomba, will be in the Qld Cup
The Golden point is scrapped except for finals & state of origin after extra time
Penrith Panthers v New York playing in the World Club Championship in New York with millions of Americans watching on TV. Boom Baby ! Drops the mic.

Where will the NRL be in ten years?

Justin
Thanks ! The one thing about expanding 2 more teams is a new time slot needs to be added as we have 9 games. The one problem with Perth is they can’t alternate a new time slot either Saturday 8pm – 10pm EST or Sunday 4pm – 6pm EST with another team. Wellington & Auckland could also lock in Sunday 2pm – 12pm EST as a new time slot which is the same time as the Canterbury Cup which I don’t mind watching or they can play on the dreaded Sydney crowd killer 6pm Friday slot.

Peter V'landys' problems are an easy fix

Perth Redbacks & Wellington Wolves should be the next 2 teams if the NRL are to expand in the future. Wellington Wolves because it gives the Warriors a rival & can lock up the 6 pm Friday time slot which is 8 pm NZ time with the Warriors alternating home games.

Peter V'landys' problems are an easy fix

It’s a fair call but these droughts come and go & in another year or 2 things might be better. To do nothing & let AFL thrive is what will happen. Maybe the locals might get on board and it might be more popular then people think & the clubs could collect donations at games

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Sammy
NSW Cup
North Coast Dolphins (Coffs Harbour)
New England Razorbacks (Tamworth)
Newcastle Knights (2)
Central Coast Centurions (I like Cougars) (Sea Eagles reserve)
Manly Sea Eagles (2)
North Sydney Bears (Sydney Rooster reserve)
South Sydney (2)
Newtown Jets (Cronulla Sharks Reserve)
St George Dragons (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Balmain Tigers (West Tigers reserve)
Western Suburbs Magpies (West Tigers reserve)
Parramatta Eels (2)
Canterbury Bulldogs (2)
Penrith Panthers (2)
Illawarra Steelers (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Western Rams (Bathurst)
Canberra Raiders (2)
Riverina Bulls (Wagga Wagga)
Victoria
Tasmania
QLD Cup
Port Moresby Hunters
Darwin (Destroyers)
Northern Pride
Townsville Blackhawks
Mackay Cutters
Central QLD Capra’s
Gladstone Gladiators
Bundaberg (Polar Bears)
Sunshine Coast Falcons
Redcliffe Dolphins
Norths Devils
East Tigers
Wynnum – Manly Seagulls (Sea Eagles)
Souths – Logan Magpies
Ipswich Jets
Toowoomba Clydesdale (Wolves)
Burleigh Bears
Tweed Heads Seagulls
Adelaide Rams
West Coast Pirates
NZ – Pacific Cup
Suva (Fiji)
Nuku’alofa (Tonga)
Apia (Samoa)
Auckland Vipers
South Auckland
Bay of Plenty
Taranaki
Waikato
Wellington Orcas
Canterbury (Bulldogs)
Sydney Metro Cup (Tier 3)
Belrose Eagles
Asquith Magpies
Windsor Wolves
St Mary’s Saints
Blacktown Workers
Guildford Owls
Mounties
Cabramatta Two Blues
Wentworthville Magpies
Moorebank Rams
Sydney Uni
Annandale Dales
Glebe Dirty Reds
Ryde – Eastwood Eagles
Concord – Burwood Wolves
Liverpool catholic Raiders
Alexander Rovers
Coogee Dolphins
Renown United
Sutherland Pirates

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Big Daddy
I did mention that they could run independently & lease their players out when needed for the NRL however I’m no expert, that would have to be worked out what the best option is for each club I guess. I read the NRL was withholding 7.5 million in funding until this merger was done so now that can be released I hope they spend it wisely.
I don’t think weakening the local competitions is a big factor but still an issue however it would hopefully be temporarily if the game grows more.
A development strategy will always have costs involved so making a competition were it has meaning & has some prestige while making money or at least keeping cost down is the goal. With the NSWRL & QLDRL getting some TV time that can be good for sponsorship and a bit of coin. I personally don’t mind watching the Canterbury Cup especially when it’s Newtown or North Sydney on TV, I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

I’m no expert but I’ve learnt a bit on the 2nd tiers but I don’t have the budget book’s so I’m a bit handicapped on that issue but if the locals get on board these country clubs & they run independently & lease their players to NRL clubs with some screen time who knows they might make a dollar and be profitable. This gives these clubs more incentive to develop their own players so it might be cheaper for NRL teams with these kids living closer to home until they sign the full time contacts & move to the city.
Travelling within the state wouldn’t be a huge blow out in cost I don’t think however I could be wrong, A few buses to Tamworth might be more expensive then a plane trip to New Zealand or Fiji I’m not sure.
The New Zealand competition that I propose with Tonga, Samoa & Fiji would be more costly.
At the end of the day this might be fanciful but it’s a way to get the Country people to be more in the mix while developing & retaining talent while hopefully growing it in the region. Giving the Island nations a pathway to the NRL instead of wasted talent playing amatuer Rugby, who knows it might even attract a crowd which brings the cost down I guess

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Mick
I didn’t mention it in my article but I do have a (Bundaberg Polar Bears) & (Gladstone Gladiators) as my 19th, 20th teams for the QLDRL (if the NRL were to expand to 20 teams).
I went with Darwin first because there is a small league stadium being built and Darwin, is a fifty fifty town when it comes to AFL/NRL so this might tip the balance and gives a good pathway to the locals that would otherwise have to travel to get recognized

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League