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Justin
Thanks ! The one thing about expanding 2 more teams is a new time slot needs to be added as we have 9 games. The one problem with Perth is they can’t alternate a new time slot either Saturday 8pm – 10pm EST or Sunday 4pm – 6pm EST with another team. Wellington & Auckland could also lock in Sunday 2pm – 12pm EST as a new time slot which is the same time as the Canterbury Cup which I don’t mind watching or they can play on the dreaded Sydney crowd killer 6pm Friday slot.

Peter V'landys' problems are an easy fix

Perth Redbacks & Wellington Wolves should be the next 2 teams if the NRL are to expand in the future. Wellington Wolves because it gives the Warriors a rival & can lock up the 6 pm Friday time slot which is 8 pm NZ time with the Warriors alternating home games.

Peter V'landys' problems are an easy fix

It’s a fair call but these droughts come and go & in another year or 2 things might be better. To do nothing & let AFL thrive is what will happen. Maybe the locals might get on board and it might be more popular then people think & the clubs could collect donations at games

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Sammy
NSW Cup
North Coast Dolphins (Coffs Harbour)
New England Razorbacks (Tamworth)
Newcastle Knights (2)
Central Coast Centurions (I like Cougars) (Sea Eagles reserve)
Manly Sea Eagles (2)
North Sydney Bears (Sydney Rooster reserve)
South Sydney (2)
Newtown Jets (Cronulla Sharks Reserve)
St George Dragons (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Balmain Tigers (West Tigers reserve)
Western Suburbs Magpies (West Tigers reserve)
Parramatta Eels (2)
Canterbury Bulldogs (2)
Penrith Panthers (2)
Illawarra Steelers (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Western Rams (Bathurst)
Canberra Raiders (2)
Riverina Bulls (Wagga Wagga)
Victoria
Tasmania
QLD Cup
Port Moresby Hunters
Darwin (Destroyers)
Northern Pride
Townsville Blackhawks
Mackay Cutters
Central QLD Capra’s
Gladstone Gladiators
Bundaberg (Polar Bears)
Sunshine Coast Falcons
Redcliffe Dolphins
Norths Devils
East Tigers
Wynnum – Manly Seagulls (Sea Eagles)
Souths – Logan Magpies
Ipswich Jets
Toowoomba Clydesdale (Wolves)
Burleigh Bears
Tweed Heads Seagulls
Adelaide Rams
West Coast Pirates
NZ – Pacific Cup
Suva (Fiji)
Nuku’alofa (Tonga)
Apia (Samoa)
Auckland Vipers
South Auckland
Bay of Plenty
Taranaki
Waikato
Wellington Orcas
Canterbury (Bulldogs)
Sydney Metro Cup (Tier 3)
Belrose Eagles
Asquith Magpies
Windsor Wolves
St Mary’s Saints
Blacktown Workers
Guildford Owls
Mounties
Cabramatta Two Blues
Wentworthville Magpies
Moorebank Rams
Sydney Uni
Annandale Dales
Glebe Dirty Reds
Ryde – Eastwood Eagles
Concord – Burwood Wolves
Liverpool catholic Raiders
Alexander Rovers
Coogee Dolphins
Renown United
Sutherland Pirates

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Big Daddy
I did mention that they could run independently & lease their players out when needed for the NRL however I’m no expert, that would have to be worked out what the best option is for each club I guess. I read the NRL was withholding 7.5 million in funding until this merger was done so now that can be released I hope they spend it wisely.
I don’t think weakening the local competitions is a big factor but still an issue however it would hopefully be temporarily if the game grows more.
A development strategy will always have costs involved so making a competition were it has meaning & has some prestige while making money or at least keeping cost down is the goal. With the NSWRL & QLDRL getting some TV time that can be good for sponsorship and a bit of coin. I personally don’t mind watching the Canterbury Cup especially when it’s Newtown or North Sydney on TV, I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

I’m no expert but I’ve learnt a bit on the 2nd tiers but I don’t have the budget book’s so I’m a bit handicapped on that issue but if the locals get on board these country clubs & they run independently & lease their players to NRL clubs with some screen time who knows they might make a dollar and be profitable. This gives these clubs more incentive to develop their own players so it might be cheaper for NRL teams with these kids living closer to home until they sign the full time contacts & move to the city.
Travelling within the state wouldn’t be a huge blow out in cost I don’t think however I could be wrong, A few buses to Tamworth might be more expensive then a plane trip to New Zealand or Fiji I’m not sure.
The New Zealand competition that I propose with Tonga, Samoa & Fiji would be more costly.
At the end of the day this might be fanciful but it’s a way to get the Country people to be more in the mix while developing & retaining talent while hopefully growing it in the region. Giving the Island nations a pathway to the NRL instead of wasted talent playing amatuer Rugby, who knows it might even attract a crowd which brings the cost down I guess

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Mick
I didn’t mention it in my article but I do have a (Bundaberg Polar Bears) & (Gladstone Gladiators) as my 19th, 20th teams for the QLDRL (if the NRL were to expand to 20 teams).
I went with Darwin first because there is a small league stadium being built and Darwin, is a fifty fifty town when it comes to AFL/NRL so this might tip the balance and gives a good pathway to the locals that would otherwise have to travel to get recognized

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

What if it’s Western Suburbs Magpies v Souths – Logan Magpies or what happens when Wynnum – Manly Seagulls v Tweed Head Seagulls hmmm ?
There is a East Coast Dolphins that is the North Coast that play there junior rep games in Coffs Harbour so I just changed the name to North Coast Dolphins.
Bananas ! Of course why didn’t I think of that I guess bananas are scarier then friendly Dolphins, a banana on the ground is much more dangerous

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

This is about the 2nd tier so it’s not about expanding the NRL Tassie and Victoria at least a competitive side made of locals in the Canterbury Cup is a long way away I agree so that’s why I thought West Tigers have 2 teams in the Canterbury Cup Balmain & Western Suburbs St George-Illawarra use 2 teams (St George Dragons & Illawarra Steelers) if the Canterbury Cup would expand to 18 (If the NRL expanded to 18) rather then Victoria and Tassie teams but I think eventually a Tassie & S.A could at least have a Semi Pro team in the future however if AFL don’t give them a team soon & league moves in with a semi pro team plus an NRL team could take a game down there once a year & maybe a trial match could change things, Souths would be the best team to take a game to Tassie or whoever but just need the live exposure to the game more I think

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

Adam
I realize there is a Fiji team in the Ron Massey Cup.
The Ron Massey Cup is a 3rd Tier Sydney competition so Fiji doesn’t belong there however it’s not a bad move to start them there to get their first year or 2 sorted out.
The main point to this article is the expansion of the Canterbury Cup to the NSW Country, Also expanding the Queensland Cup to Darwin and Perth and a NZ competition with Fiji, Tonga and Samoa added that will give a pathway to the NRL, so having 3 strong 2nd tier competitions is not fanciful I think it can be done

Setting up the future of Country Rugby League

I prefer a draw after 80 mins keep golden point in the Finals & State of Origin after extra time.
During a regular game they could stop the clock when a try is scored & don’t start the clock until the other team kicks off that should add an extra 12 minutes average to game time so there is your extra time without extra time no need for golden point (field goal a thon).

NRL must change its scoring system to resolve the golden point farce

Peter
See I would think if the time stops more for wasted time & the game last longer then there is more opportunity for ads & ad breaks, I don’t want league to end up like NFL were a 60 minute game last 4 hours & a thousand ad breaks but I do see time wasted in curtain areas that the clock could stop & give the fans more time in play rather then the boring stuff although conversion is not boring I just rather see the time being spent having the time in play rather then a conversion or as mentioned before about time wasting “winding the clock down” it could ad more worth to the experience the spectator has & still can fit into the 2hrs slot just less talk time at the end that’s all

Golden-point bonus points are unfair

I personally prefer a draw after 80 minutes, 1 point each during the regular season opens the ladder up & shows the real closeness of the competition, keep over time & golden point to the finals & state of origin when the game needs a result.
Also like to add if the clock stops after a try is scored & doesn’t start until the other team kicks off then you could save up to 10 minutes average, there is your extra time without extra time & if the result is the same after real 80 minutes of play instead of time getting wasted going for conversions however a penalty goal is different because if the kicker misses & the other team catch it it’s play on (I think) So stopping the clock for wasted play time could be looked at.
Off the topic but with referees making some dubious calls this year & people getting frustrated I would suggest a coaches challenge maybe 2 a half however it might slow the game up so just a thought for the day.

Golden-point bonus points are unfair

Well there is a lot more Sydney teams then in QLD so some would already of had to but for a weekend to play entirely at ANZ when Sydney teams make up more then half the competition it’s only fair & Sydney teams v out of towners should be the theme since they get the least crowds most of the time anyway

The Easter Showdown could be Sydney's answer to Brisbane's Magic Round

I like the idea ! The NRL could have 2 games on Friday, 2 games on Saturday, 2 games on Sunday & 2 games on Monday or 1 game on Thursday & 1 on Monday however it would have to be the Sydney teams taking a home game there & not expect the out of towners to take a home game otherwise should be good & maybe to make it fun the teams can wear super hero jerseys for the kids

The Easter Showdown could be Sydney's answer to Brisbane's Magic Round

Noooooooooooo

James Maloney practices his French as he explains decision to leave Panthers

Toovey would be a good choice for GC I hope he gets it

Geoff Toovey puts his hand up for Gold Coast Titans job

Good article! If the NRL play trial matches in the country & have a Country round like what’s been mentioned from James while adding 4 Country teams into the NSW cup such as Wagga Wagga (Riverina Bulls), Bathurst (Western Rams), Tamworth (New England Razorbacks), Coffs Harbour (North Coast Dolphins) playing against the famous Sydney teams would hopefully boost the Country in League & keep young developing players close to home. These Towns also have universities which are needed for young players career development.

Stand by your fans: Every club should take the country road

I sent this idea to the NRL feedback over a year ago by putting a example season together with 16 teams 20 rounds or 20 teams 20 rounds with a retro, heritage rounds played at suburban grounds & a country round played in NSW/QLD towns Port Moresby, Darwin & Hobart, I’m glad it’s been brought up. I also had in my season a Queensland round playing 1 game on the sunshine coast on Thursday night, Friday night double header in Townsville with Nth Qld being the 2nd game then sat with 3 games in Brisbane with the broncos playing last then Sunday 2 games on the Gold Coast played during the winter school holidays in July (I think) to maybe boost tourism during the quiet time of the year in QLD but they did the magic round instead just in Brisbane & think the Thursday night game will look bad with a small crowd at Syncope who ever is playing

Stand by your fans: Every club should take the country road

Gus is God, No grand final win but his time at Penrith was a success in my eyes as he has built the club from the verge of collapse, the last few years have been enjoyable to watch through the season & I wish Gus all the best & hopefully gets on the NRL board. His bold statement of the Panthers winning a premiership fell short but his knowledge put the team in a chance to get there & be a competitive side for the last few years, I’m sad to see him leave

Can Phil Gould really call his time at Penrith a success?

Why not just 20 teams, 20 rounds play 10 rounds then have a 1 + 3 representative weekends then play another 10 rounds, with each team playing each other once a year except finals then repeat the next year with only home & away changing or 16 teams, 20 rounds the first 4 rounds repeat on the last 4 rounds

Time to go our separate ways?

NRL
Port Moresby Hunters – (2045+)
Nth QLD Cowboys – (Take 1 game to Cairns)
Sunshine Coast Dolphins – Sunshine Stadium (2022+) (Take 4 games to Redcliffe)
Brisbane Broncos – (Take 1 game to Port Moresby)
West Brisbane Jets – Ipswich Stadium (2045+) – or Central Queensland Capras (Rockhampton) -or Suva (Fiji) – or Darwin
Gold Coast Titans (1 game to Rockhampton)
Newcastle Knights (Take 1 game to Tamworth)
Central Coast Sea Eagles – Gosford stadium (2020+) (Take 2 games to Brookvale)
Penrith Panthers – Penrith Stadium (Takes 1 game to Bathurst) (Possible relocation) (2050+)
Parramatta Eels – Parramatta Stadium (Takes 1 game to Darwin)
Western Sydney Tigers – (Liverpool Stadium) or Campbelltown Stadium (Take 2 games to Leichardt)
Canterbury Bulldogs – (Liverpool Stadium) or ANZ (takes 2 games to Belmore) – (Take 1 game to Christchurch NZ) (Possible future relocation) (Rename Canterbury Bulldogs)(2050+)
Sydney Roosters – Allianz Stadium (Take 2 games to North Sydney)
South Sydney Rabbits – Allianz Stadium (Take 1 game to Hobart) (Possible Relocation to Hobart)(2050+)
Cronulla Sharks – (Take 1 game to Coffs Harbour) (Possible future relocation to Coffs Harbour)(2050+) (Rename Coffs Harbour Sharks)
Illawarra – St George Dragons – Wollongong (Take 2 games to Kogarah)
Canberra Raiders (1 game to Wagga Wagga)
Melbourne Storm (Take 1 game to Albury – Geelong)
Adelaide Bulls – (2025+)
Perth Redbacks – (2022+)
Auckland Warriors (Take 1 game in NZ)
Wellington Wolves (2025+)

NSW Cup
North Coast Dolphins (Coffs Harbour) (possible Sharks reserve)
New England Razorbacks (Tamworth)
Newcastle Knights (Reserve)
Central Coast Centurions (I like Cougars) (Sea Eagles reserve)
Manly Sea Eagles (Reserve)
North Sydney Bears (Rooster reserve)
Eastern Suburbs (reserve)
South Sydney (reserves)
Newtown Jets (Rabbits reserve)
St George Dragons (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Cronulla Sharks (Reserve)
Balmain Tigers (West Tigers reserve)
Western Suburbs Magpies (West Tigers reserve)
Parramatta Eels (Reserve)
Canterbury Bulldogs (Reserve)
Penrith Panthers (Reserve)
Illawarra Steelers (Illawarra St George Dragons reserve)
Western Rams (Bathurst)
Canberra Raiders (Reserve)
Riverina Bulls (Wagga Wagga)

QLD Cup
Port Moresby Hunters
Darwin (Destroyers)
Northern Pride
Townsville Blackhawks
Mackay Cutters
Central QLD Capra’s
Gladstone Gladiators
Bundaberg (Polar Bears)
Sunshine Coast Falcons
Redcliffe Dolphins
Norths Devils
East Tigers
Wynnum – Manly Seagulls (Sea Eagles)
Souths – Logan Magpies
Ipswich Jets
Toowoomba Clydesdale (Wolves)
Burleigh Bears
Tweed Heads Seagulls
Adelaide Rams
West Coast Pirates

NZ – Pacific Cup
Suva (Fiji)
Nuku’alofa (Tonga)
Apia (Samoa)
Auckland Vipers
South Auckland
Bay of Plenty
Taranaki
Waikato
Wellington Orcas
Canterbury (Bulldogs)

Sydney Metro Cup (Tier 3)
Belrose Eagles
Asquith Magpies
Windsor Wolves
St Mary’s Saints
Blacktown Workers
Guildford Owls
Mounties
Cabramatta Two Blues
Wentworth Magpies
Moorebank Rams
Sydney Uni
Annandale Dales
Glebe Dirty Reds
Ryde – Eastwood Eagles
Concord – Burwood Wolves
Liverpool catholic Raiders
Alexander Rovers
Coogee Dolphins
Renown United
Sutherland Pirates

NRL + Representative Rugby League

NRL (1- 8 rounds)

Rep Week 1
Fri City v Country – England v Exiles
Sat Tonga v PNG – Ireland v Wales
Sat Fiji v Samoa – Scotland v France
Sun A League Grand Final

NRL (Rounds 9 – 10) (2 weeks later)

Rep Week 2
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Fiji v Tonga – Ireland v Scotland
Sat Samoa v PNG – France v Wales
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – Philadelphia) – curtain raiser (Canada v Jamaica – USA v Latin Heat)
Sun NSW v QLD u20’s
Sun NSW v QLD Rotate (Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide)

Rep Week 3
Fri QLD v NSW (WNRL)
Sat Tonga v Samoa – Scotland v Wales
Sat PNG v Fiji – France v Ireland
Sat New Zealand v England (Canada – Toronto) curtain raiser (Jamaica v Latin Heat – Canada v USA)
Sun QLD v NSW U20’s
Sun QLD v NSW

Rep Week 4
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Top 2 Pacific Cup Finals – Top 2 European Cup Finals
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – New York) curtain raiser (Canada v Latin – USA v Jamaica)
Sun NSW v QLD 20’s
Sun NSW v QLD

Bye week (Sydney Swans v GWS Giants) – (Brisbane Lions v Gold Coast Sun)

NRL (Round 11 – Round 20 + Finals)

(Post Season)

World Club Challenge

European Winner v Pacific Winner
(New Zealand v England) loser v Winner (European v Pacific)
(New Zealand v England) winner v Australia

Week 1 Rugby League World 9’s
Week 2 Rugby League World 9’s Finals

NRL 2025: A fan fiction

Joshua !
That’s not a bad idea, I don’t think it will have a big following to start with or might not ever, however it could be used for development purpose, it could be played over the 4 weeks maybe a different city host every week, it doesn’t have to be popular either & the talent on the display at least for the first few years won’t be any good but who knows when the NRL starts to expand & in a generation or so the contest might be a lot higher quality & be actually worth watching on tv

Relocation now a fruitless annual debate alongside mooted Bears comebacks and Titans rebrands

Peeeko !
It’s a work of art mate ! I know in life there will be always be haters bro but you know this is flawless except i accidently left out the Indigenous All Stars & Country Trials.
What don’t you like other then the Dragons having more games in Wollongong & changing the name around as we have had this discussion before ?

Relocation now a fruitless annual debate alongside mooted Bears comebacks and Titans rebrands

NRL
Port Moresby Hunters – (2045+)
Nth QLD Cowboys – (Take 1 game to Cairns)
Sunshine Coast Dolphins – Sunshine Stadium (2025+) (Take 2 games to Redcliffe)
Brisbane Broncos – (Take 1 game to Port Moresby)
West Brisbane Jets – Ipswich Stadium (2045+) – or Central Queensland Capras (Rockhampton)- or Suva Stingrays
Gold Coast Titans (1 game to Rockhampton)
Newcastle Knights (Take 1 game to Tamworth)
Central Coast Sea Eagles – Gosford stadium (2020+) (Take 2 games to Brookvale)
Great Western Panthers – Penrith Stadium (Takes 1 game to Bathurst) (Possible relocation) (2050+)
Parramatta Eels – Parramatta Stadium (Takes 1 game to Darwin) (Possible relocation to Darwin) (2050+)
Western Sydney Tigers – (New Liverpool Stadium) or Campbelltown Stadium (Take 2 games to Leichardt)
Canterbury Bulldogs – (New Liverpool Stadium) or ANZ (takes 2 games to Belmore) – (Take 1 game to Christchurch NZ) (possible future relocation) (Rename Canterbury Bulldogs)(2035+)
Sydney Roosters – Allianz Stadium (Take 2 games to North Sydney)
South Sydney Rabbits – Allianz Stadium (Take 1 game to Hobart) (possible Relocation to Hobart)(2050+)
Cronulla Sharks – (New Miranda Stadium) (Take 1 game to Coffs Harbour) (Possible future relocation to Coffs Harbour)(2050+) (Rename Coffs Harbour Sharks)
Illawarra St George Dragons (2020+) (Wollongong stadium) (Take 2 games to Kogarah)
Canberra Raiders (1 game to Wagga Wagga)
Melbourne Storm (Take 1 game to Albury – Geelong)
Adelaide Bulls – (2025+)
Perth Redbacks – (2022+)
Auckland Warriors (Take 1 game in NZ)
Wellington Wolves (2022+)

NSW Cup
North Coast Dolphins (Coffs Harbour) (Possible Sharks reserve)
New England Razorbacks (Tamworth)
Newcastle Knights (Reserve)
Central Coast Centurions (Sea Eagles reserve)
Manly Sea Eagles (Reserve)
North Sydney Bears (Rooster reserve)
Eastern Suburbs (Reserve)
South Sydney (Reserves)
Newtown Jets (Rabbits reserve)
St George Dragons (Illawarra Dragons reserve)
Cronulla Sharks (Reserve)
Balmain Tigers (West Tigers reserve)
Western Suburbs Magpies (West Tigers reserve)
Parramatta Eels (Reserve)
Canterbury Bulldogs (Reserve)
Penrith Panthers (Reserve)
Illawarra Steelers (Illawarra St George Dragon reserve)
Western Rams (Bathurst)
Canberra Raiders (Reserve)
Riverina Bulls (Wagga Wagga)

QLD Cup
Port Moresby Hunters
Darwin Destroyers
Northern Pride
Townsville Blackhawks
Mackay Cutters
Central QLD Capra’s
Gladstone Gladiators
Bundaberg (Polar Bears)
Sunshine Coast Falcons
Redcliffe Dolphins
Norths Devils
East Tigers
Wynnum – Manly Seagulls (Sea Eagles)
Souths – Logan Magpies
Ipswich Jets
Toowoomba Clydesdale (Wolves)
Burleigh Bears
Tweed Heads Seagulls
Adelaide Rams
West Coast Pirates

NZ – Pacific Cup
Suva (Fiji)
Nuku’alofa (Tonga)
Apia (Samoa)
Auckland Vipers
South Auckland
Bay of Plenty
Taranaki
Waikato
Wellington Orcas
Canterbury Bulldogs
NRL + Representative Rugby League
NRL (1- 8 rounds)

Rep Week 1
Fri City v Country – England v Exiles
Sat Tonga v PNG – Ireland v Wales
Sat Fiji v Samoa – Scotland v France
Sun A League Grand Final

NRL (Rounds 9 – 10) (2 weeks later)

Rep Week 2
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Fiji v Tonga – Ireland v Scotland
Sat Samoa v PNG – France v Wales
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – Philadelphia) curtain raiser (Canada v Jamaica – USA v Latin Heat)
Sun NSW v QLD u20’s
Sun NSW v QLD Rotate (Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide)

Rep Week 3
Fri QLD v NSW (WNRL)
Sat Tonga v Samoa – Scotland v Wales
Sat PNG v Fiji – France v Ireland
Sat New Zealand v England (Canada – Toronto) curtain raiser (Jamaica v Latin Heat – Canada v USA)
Sun QLD v NSW U20’s
Sun QLD v NSW

Rep Week 4
Fri NSW v QLD (WNRL)
Sat Top 2 Pacific Cup Finals Top 2 European Cup Finals
Sat New Zealand v England (USA – New York) curtain raiser (Canada v Latin Heat – USA v Jamaica)
Sun NSW v QLD 20’s
Sun NSW v QLD
Bye week

NRL (Round 11 – Round 20 + Finals)

(Post Season)
World Club Challenge
European Winner v Pacific Winner
(New Zealand v England) loser v Winner (European v Pacific)
(New Zealand v England) winner v Australia

Nov – Week 1 Rugby League World 9’s
Nov – Week 2 Rugby League World 9’s Finals

Relocation now a fruitless annual debate alongside mooted Bears comebacks and Titans rebrands