According to AFL TTables,in 2010 Richmond averaged 37452 for home games.

In 2011, 42784.
In 2012, 41319.
In 2013, 50901.
In 2014, 43196.
In 2015, 49877.
In 2016, 41155.
In 2017, 55950.
In 2018, 61175.
In 2019, 59987.

Benny Gale has done a fantastic job.

From memory,Richmond did not used to average 50,000 for home games when near the bottom. They would get a 50,000 crowd every so often but not average 50,000.

From memory,Richmond were the first club to average 50,000 for home games when they won it in 1980.

James.

I haven’t read all the debates previously about AFLW on this site,so I don’t know if AFLW has been criticised simply because they are women. Having said that,I have seen plenty of comments suggesting the standard isn’t up to scratch,but,I can’t remember many,if any,comments making out that women don’t have a right to play Australian Rules Football and to try and become very very good at it.

This first line of yours – “Why are Australians so critical when a woman aspires to be great, particularly in sport?

Can you provide evidence for this question of yours please?

Sorry,I’m not meaning to duplicate my comments but the site is not letting me reply directly to Kanga and my attempts are landing here instead.

Kanga,what do you think about the umpiring stats?

Kanga,what do you think about the Alan Richardson comments and the umpiring stats?

Kanga is a West Coast fan.

From the look of their comments, a biased one too.

Want to talk about the umpiring Kanga??

They just refuse to see any advantage for their own team and only ever see (or just plain make up!) Richmond’s possible advantages.

Someone made a comment a few months ago that you may remember. They said that they have never known a successful team to be so villified as has been Richmond (or words to that effect).

I never did this to other clubs. Not once since i started following the Tiges in about 1970. I always saw the premier as being deserved winners.

All the best mate.

Yeah,I also realise that the team with the more free kicks isn’t necessarily being favoured,but,……..

Yeah,I know that you are Freo Jonboy, 🙂 I just needed a spot to insert my comment and replying below you seemed like a good position. Also,I thought that you were likely to reply to me and that may get others to look as well. 🙂

Yeah,I know that the stats don’t include “free’s not paid’ but seeing that we don’t have those stats, we have to go on what we do have,and it does look suspicious to me (and obviously to Alan Richardson as well).

Ok,I’m just gonna borrow your bulltish-adjustor IAP if that’s ok with you??

Oh,good. Thanx mate. 🙂

Ok,feeding Kanga’s comment into it right now…..ok…right…”Bulltish Adjustment complete” it says.

Kanga’s comment now reads:-

“I’m just gonna have a go at Richmond cos we all know how easy they have it and that’s the only reason they won in 2019 when I really thought we would (and deserved to go back-to-back). I have made sure that I’ve provided the obligatory incorrect and exaggerated information,as well as little-to-no evidence to support my view as, if I did, I may actually have to get into a debate with actual facts included,and I don’t want that.”

I think Geelong do quite nicely when it comes to the draw Gatto,…..well,at least in 2019 compared to Richmond:-

Look at games where teams get to play in front of crowds where the fan proportion is approx 90% or greater one way or the other (we call them “true” home and away games).

Geelong – 9 true home games & 5 true away games (i.e 6 if the game against the Suns at Metricon had 10% or less Geelong fans – I’m not sure)

Richmond _ 3 true home games & 3 true away games (i.e 4 if the game against the Giants at Giants Stadium had 10% or less Richmond fans – I’m not sure; 5 if the game against the Suns at Metricon had 10% or less Richmond fans – I’m not sure).

So,Geel- 9TH 5 to 6 TA (advantage of 3 to 4 games)

Rich- 3TH 3 to 5 TA (disadvantage of 0 to 2 games)

Total true home and away games advantage of Geel compared to Rich in 2019 – 3 to 6 games advantage.

Now, I am cherry picking the data to a degree as,if I had used a figure of 70% instead of 90%, then Richmond’s game’s against Sydney and Brisbane that were played in Melbourne would be considered to be true home games,but, I’m putting them up again o show you that maybe Geel do ok when it comes to the draw. Also, Geelong having a ground in Geelong that is so unfamiliar to teams compared to Richmond’s home ground surely is another advantage to Geel as well.

Oh, also, Geelong is the only team in Victoria that can train and practice at it’s home ground as much as it wants and till it’s heart’s content. Richmond is not allowed to train at it’s home ground except if it makes it to a grand final (I’m not sure about other finals.I think it is just the grand final tho).

Talking about possible gifts,look what IAP posted a few days ago:-

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/04/the-numbers-behind-west-coast’s-free-kick-advantage/

Then I posted this:-

I had a look at AFL Tables for the same time period:-

In 2019 West Coast at home had 13th best free kick % at home. Rich were 18th.
In 2018,West Coast 1st Rich 18th.
In 2017,West Coast 2nd Rich 17th.
In 2016,West Coast 5th Rich 8th.
In 2015,West Coast 1st Rich 2nd.
In 2014,West Coast 1st Rich 10th.
In 2013,West Coast 1st Rich 7th.
In 2012,West Coast 1st Rich 6th.
In 2011,West Coast 4th Rich 16th.

Look at all the 1st’s for the Eagles!

5 1st’s out of the last 9 seasons!.

Now of course,because Richmond don’t play in front of nearly as many couldron-like crowds when at home compared to a team like the Eagles,we wouldn’t expect Richmond to get the free kick advantage as often as the Eagles,but ,look how many times the Eagles come out ahead of the other non-vic clubs who also play in front of couldron-like crowds when they play at home.

Yeah,thanks Yattuzzi.

I just wanted to set the record straight just in case.

And,I have family who are Geelong fans. 🙂

Now of course,because Richmond don’t play in front of nearly as many couldron-like crowds when at home,we wouldn’t expect Richmond to get the free kick advantage as often as the eagles,but ,look how many times the Eagles come out ahead of the other non-vic clubs who also play in front of couldron-like crowds when they play at home.

Wowee!.

Gee,what an article IAP. Thanks for that.

And,have a look at this:-
I had a look at AFL Tables for the same time period:-

In 2019 West Coast at home had 13th best free kick % at home. Rich were 18th.
In 2018,West Coast 1st Rich 18th.
In 2017,West Coast 2nd Rich 17th.
In 2016,West Coast 5th Rich 8th.
In 2015,West Coast 1st Rich 2nd.
In 2014,West Coast 1st Rich 10th.
In 2013,West Coast 1st Rich 7th.
In 2012,West Coast 1st Rich 6th.
In 2011,West Coast 4th Rich 16th.

Look at all the 1st’s for the Eagles!

5 1st’s out of the last 9 seasons!.

Hi Yattuzzi.

I don’t know if you read my long comment above,but,after I posted it I thought of you and Cat.

In my comment I said that all teams have the chance to turn their home ground into a fortress like Richmond have,but don’t. That was a generalised comment to those who have a problem with Richmond winning alot of their home games that offset some of their away losses. It wasn’t my intention to say that no other team has made their home ground a fortress,but that’s the way I wrote it and I am wrong. Geelong have definitely made their home ground into a fortress and there may be other teams as well.

IAP is now a published author.

I haven’t read all the article yet IAP,but I am liking the thought of a BS Adjustor. 🙂

I didn’t think I’d need to provide evidence for teams on average having a higher win % at home compared to away. I’d just assumed it was a given that all readers would believe this already.

According to AFL Tables Rich have played Freo 37 times and Richmond has a win % of 56.76. At home Richmond has a win % of 64.71.

I just had a look at home-team-wins-totals for each season going back to 1897 and the home-team-wins-percentages for each season almost always are above 50%.

Thanks alot Peter. Really appreciate that as well.

And Neil too.

Thanks alot Realist. Really appreciate that.

Thank you for a gracious response Jonboy (and even a “like”).

Ok.I’ll take your word for it for the moment that my memory is wrong and it was only 8 you have ever said.

Jonboy – “It was in fact 8 home games straight at home in Melbourne which is where they live…”
Oh Boy (to use another BT saying IAP).
In the AFL,Home Games are not solely determined by where the team is based as you are well aware.
Round 16 2019, Freo v West Coast. It was classed as a Freo home game. But,but, Freo don’t live in Perth??
And,huge difference anyway between Rich playing Coll in a Richmond MCG Home game compared to Rich v West Coast at the MCG. And,you haven”t refuted my point 6 yet

Travel factor maybe a big factor and you are free to provide evidence like I just did and we’ll look into it.

I notice you haven’t refuted any of my points

Yeah IAP,I didn’t bring up the umpiring as according to AFL tables (I think that was the site I looked at) the free-kick count from memory has been alot closer to neutral for the Eagles(and maybe even slightly against them?) over the past couple of seasons. I hadn’t gone back for previous seasons but I will now that you mention it.

*Point 1 – After the 2019 season I had a look at the Eagles first halves of the season compared to their 2nd halves since their first year in 1987.
Now,I did it quick and haven’t double checked,but,this is what I found:-
The Eagles on average do drop off in premiership points. They drop off on average approx 1.4 premiership points between first halves of seasons and second halves. Now,this isn’t proof of anything,but if Eagles players do tire over the course of the season,the stats don’t suggest it may be as much as what some like to make out. Where is the clear signal that all their travel tire them out as the season wears on. Now,they may tire. I’d be surprised if they didn’t tire at least a little,but where is the clear signal in the stats?
I was listening to an SEN interview with one of the former Eagles (I can’t remember for sure but I’m pretty sure it was Guy McKenna) a few weeks ago and he was asked about how they coped with the interstate travel and he basically said it was a hindrance,but,not as much of a hindrance as you’d expect as they got used to that routine.
So,that means that whenever West Coast plays a Vic side, they are playing a side that is not as used to travel as when West Coast play in Vic so,that is an advantage to West Coast is it not?

*Point 2 – In 2019 h & a –
West Coast played 9 games where they were disadvantaged by having to travel by plane.
Richmond played 5 games.
West Coast played 10 games where they were playing a team that was disadvantaged by having to travel by plane.
Richmond played 5 games.
That was a one game advantage to West Coast.

*Point 3 – Here’s another fact. It takes roughly 30min longer to fly from Melb to Perth as vice-versa. -about 4hrs compared to 3 1/2. So,whenever West Coast play a Vic team in Perth they are playing a team that has spent approx 30min longer in flight than when a Melb team hosts a team such as West Coast. Now, I know that West Coast and Freo fly the most in a season. I understand that. But then,please refer to my initial stat. Now,Essence has previously stated that what I wrote above is countered by Eagles flights being delayed more than Vic teams flights due to Melbourne’s bad winter weather(compared to Perth’s),but he didn’t provide any evidence to support this. He may be right,I don’t know,but I’ve had a google and I can’t find evidence for it so far. And,what if Melbourne weather is also causing Vic team flights to WA to be delayed? Here’s a stat I did find – Sydney Morning Herald April 27th 2018-by Patrick Hatch – Data supplied by the Bureau of Infrastructure,Transport and Regional Economics show that Melb to Perth and Perth to Melb routes are not in the top 10 for delays,nor for cancellations (Australian Domestic Flights).

*Point 4 – In 2019, West Coast had 10 home games where the crowd was about 90& or greater barracking for West Coast.
Richmond had 3.
In 2019, West Coast had 9 true away games where the crowd would have been roughly 90% or greater barracking against West Coast.
Richmond had 3 (4 if the game against the Giants at Giants Stadium had 10% or less Richmond fans – I’m not sure; 5 if the game against the Suns at Metricon had 10% or less Richmond fans – I’m not sure).
So,
West Coast – 10 true home games & 9 true away
Richmond – 3 true home games & 3 true away (and that’s not including Richmond away games in against Giants and Suns).
Now, I am cherry picking the data to a degree as,if I had used a figure of 70% instead of 90%, then Richmond’s game’s against Sydney and Brisbane that were played in Melbourne would be considered to be true home games,but, I’m putting up these figures to show that when it comes to playing in a couldron-like virtually one-way crowd,the Tiges didn’t have it quite as good as a team such as West Coast in 2019.

*Point 5 – Another advantage that West Coast has compared to Richmond (and Vic teams and especially MCG tenants in particular) is that when West Coast play Richmond at the MCG they are more familiar with the ground than when Richmond plays West Coast in Perth at Optus Stadium. Richmond plays roughly one to one-and-a-half games on average at Optus whereas West Coast plays somewhere around four (I’m guessing here as I haven’t looked at the exact figure). So,the MCG is more familiar to West Coast than what Optus is to Richmond.

*Point 6 – Now,regarding Richmond playing their last 7 games in 2019 at the MCG (yes Jonboy,that is 7,not 8 or 9 like you love to write),first of all it is 7 games in a row at the MCG, NOT 7 HOME GAMES IN A ROW. Ok, I’ll just repeat that again-
7 games in a row at the MCG, not 7 home games in a row. That is 7 Jonboy. Yes, 7.
And as we all know,most of Richmond’s home games ain’t nothing like most of West Coast’s home games!
OK,the AFL shouldn’t have scheduled Richmond to play their last 7 in a row at the MCG,but some like to make out that somehow that fact automatically got them to win a final the Gabba. But,it is also true that Richmond only had those 7 MCG games in a row because they had already played all their away games earlier in the season and yet this fails to get a mention by some.
Also, as it turned out though, how did playing those MCG games prepare them for playing their first final in Brisbane? I can understand it if they had played their first final at the MCG,but, how did it prepare them for the Gabba? Travel and rest I here you say. Well,maybe you are right,but,if you are, then how do you explain that according to a zerohanger article from 2017, up until the time of the article there were 141 matches played post-bye since 2011 and only 56 were were won by the team that had the extra week off? That’s a win strike rate of about 40%. Those stats suggest rest isn’t as important factor as made out by some. And,Richmond still had to win those 7 in a row. Just turning up at your homeground doesn’t guarantee a win. But,if you have made your home ground into a fortress like Richmond has(and which every team in the competition has the opportunity to do but don’t!),it naturally means the Tigers were going to be more able to set themselves up for the double chance.

*Conclusion – Now, to all those West Coasters(Westerners) out there,I’m not having a go at West Coast. West Coast have been and are one of the top clubs of the AFl, and have had many champion players. I respect the club enormously.
But,their are a few fans seem will only ever talk about the disadvantages that West Coast suffer,and never any possible advantages,and will only ever do the opposite for a team like Richmond.(And I know, all teams have them).
I will say it again, it is wrong that West Coast or GWS etc have to play grand finals at the MCG against Vic teams if they finish above them in the finals. It is flat out wrong. And also, the extra travel may shorten West Coast players careers and maybe even cause a drop off in performance as the season goes on(but,again,go back to my first point-where is the actual evidence for this and not just people saying stuff like West Coast should be given 3 extra wins or something in order to make up for a guessed-at disadvantage). But,at the very least,there is no need to exaggerrate or make things up and make out Richmond were handed more than they actually were.