I remember seeing the footage on the news. It WAS Herman Ese’ese. If you say it was someone else then who was it? The only other person with a “melon” like that on the Broncos team is Joe Ofahengaue and it WASN’T him.

As for Sam Burgess ((who was cleared of being the player involved in the Roosters employee scam to entrap him) what else had he been accused of off-field? Now let’s compare his record with Matt Lodge and James Roberts shall we? And Sam has never thaken a cheap shot at his own team mate on or off the field. As for grub records about your Sam, Sam Thaiday? Torquing and wrenching James Tamou’s broken ans taped thumb with no intention of making a tackle just injuring the player. What a hero!

Hess has played 5 games for QLD in origin which at 22 yrs of age which is FAR better than Josh “grub” McGuire had achieved at the same age. Try to judge apples with apples. Which is hard when McGuire is a lemon.

And Herman Ese’ese felt a full contact hit in the back from QLD’s chief grub during a light contact training drill for the Broncos. The rest of the squad had to intervene or Ese’ese would have sat McGuire on his ass!

First of all, let’s not forget that the Storm, the Rabbitohs and the Sharks finished on the SAME competition points as the Roosters and the Roosters only won the minor premiership in “last man standing” fashion on a differential count back.

Secondly, perhaps the season review should take into account that the Roosters clearly tried to buy the premiership from the outset recruiting not one but TWO marquee player on $1 mill dollars each! Now which club can afford to do that these days under such a tight salary cap system?

Thirdly, at least 3 different media sources reported at the beginning of the 2018 season that the Roosters and then the Storm had by FAR the EASIEST draws in 2018. Now, factor that in when you consider that the Rabbitohs and the Sharks finished on the SAME competition points as these two NRL favoured clubs.

Had Souths played the Sharks in the Qualifiers and earned a week off and the Roosters had played first the Storm and then the Dragons in two brutally physical back to back games that were “Grand Final like in intensity”, they would have been too exhausted to have made an impression on a fresh and firing Rabbitohs side that had the benefit of a week’s rest. And even then it was only an 8 point game. Had the situation been reversed Souths would have put 20 plus on an exhasted Roosters side.

All in all, things could not have gone better for the Roosters in 2018. Sone could say it was almost by design.

“Coen Hess starstruck by McGuire at Cowboys”

Seriously, WHY? McGuire is one of the biggest grubs in the game and just a season or two ago had more decoy runs that hitups as he routinely “went missing” when the physical intensity of the game lifted. Whatever hitups had during this period never bent or broke the defensive line and more often than not he would pass well before the defensive line to avoid getting smashed.

Already in his short career Hess shows more promise than McGuire ever has and he looks like he will be twice or three times the players McGuire ever was. I wouldn’t want McGuire at the Rabbitohs but I would welcome Hess and take him in a heart beat along with TPJ.

“BTW, did you know that Newscorp, through HT&E*(Company) are a major
shareholder in the ROAR.”

I kind of figured that was the case since the “modding” of all my posts started around the same time as my campaign of shining a spotlight on the Roosters salary cap situation. Let’s see if this one goes up? 😉

Much as I respect your love if fair play eels47, the Roosters AREN’T playing fair as I continually have proven AND you really need to let the Roosters fans make their own excuses. Otherwise they will just copy your answers now won’t they?

@ souvalis

I can confirm that. Look at the stories on Zero Tackle and my posts “AngrycEagle Breaking News!”. This was confirmed by AngryEagle47 3 weeks before the media reported it. He also had the same scoop about Hasler coachimg Manly and bringing in Don Singe, Noel Cleal, Brett Stewart and Matt Ballin and also confirmed Marty Taupau would be staying at Manly when it was being widely reported he was going to the Roosters to replace Napa.

Perhaps it is YOU that should check YOUR facts?

Put simply, put Corey Norman at FB and Widdop at 5/8 and the Dragons may have a chance. Reverse the two and they won’t.

Actually it’s 26 players only named on the Roosters official site, so 4 players short. They only have an average of 71K to pay their last 16 players when the minimum player salary for 201

@ eels47

Actually mate JimboJones’s comment is totally relevant in light of Fraser’s post:

“Because another generation who think “make me a sandwich” or “get back in the kitchen” is banter or wit, is another generation of men who have little respect for women.”

Q.E.D. are more likely to disrespect an abuse women. That was clearly the inference.

Have a Longbow… or is it a Strongbow cider? Just call out for your misses to get one while she’s in the kitchen. LOL

Note: Irony intentional.

You were addressing just one side of the issue Fraser and oversimplifying the argument. There have been generations of men in the past who believed that women belonged in the kitchen yet would NEVER raise a hand to a woman.

What about a generation of women who behave in a manner that does not inspire respect? That put themselves in situations their parents would be horrified to see them in, like the young woman at the centre of the Jonathan Thurston Coffs Harbour scandal? Or young women who blatantly lie to accuse men of acts they have not committed like with Brett Stewart, Ben T’eo and SKD. Or the woman who was proven to be a pathological liar and publicity hound who tried to implicate a number of players from the Essendon football club just to get her 15 mins of fame.

The female football groupie is a well known phenomenon that has been part of the game for a very long time. Women who are prepared to lower their standards of behaviour and compromise their moral judgement to gain the attention but not the respect of celebrity athletes.

Let me be clear though that this does NOT excuse players who commit common or sexual assault. It is not an argument for “it’s the woman’s fault” but any parent would not like to see their daughter put themselves in this position in the first place where their behaviour sends mixed signals or invites inappropriate and disrespectful behaviour.

@ elvis

THERE was a woman quite heinous
Who liked to water THEIR pandanus
But what she could do
With a telescope or two
THEY’RE focusing on Uranus.

How’s that champ?

Which club do you support Forty Twenty?

@ “the other Barry”

“No IAN an ex rooster never lol”

To quote Pauline Hanson; “Please explain?”

“The reality is the Sharks aren’t broke..nor have they been backed into any corner… catch up mate”

Do want to take this one AngryEagle47? Perhaps you can confirm the inside word from two NRL coaches on this?

@ Fraser

“another generation of men who have little respect for women”

While there are undoubtedly many examples of misogynistic male troglodytes there are also many examples of aggressive and abusive brainwashed women who seek to vilify and disenfranchise men from having any voice in discussions regarding equality of the sexes and instead try to bully and intimidate anyone who voices an opinion that even hints at disagreeing with their stated agenda. Disrespect of the sexes (particularly amongst Millenials) runs both ways.

Search “Cassie Jaye TEDxMarin” on Youtube and watch a 15 min video titled; “Meeting The Enemy A feminist comes to terms with the Men’s Rights movement” to see the other side of the story. This is a woman who was a staunch feminist documentary filmmaker and shot a documentary to try and prove that the “Men’s Rights movement” was a front for the misogynistic underground. What she discovered instead was her own deep-rooted bias and a group of men who believed in equality between the sexes and support women’s rights but that this should not come at the expense of their own rights and freedoms or that they should be vilified as a group for the misbehaviour of rogue individuals.

“The problem is the way that the salary cap TPA s are set up it encourages clubs to try things that are not the norm.”

Like lie about the combined total of TPA’s that club has registered. The Roosters have “claimed” to have only $200K in TPA’s. Are they serious? Cronk (38 Tests, 22 Origins) would be on that alone for the first quarter of 2019! Times that by 4 and you get a more realistic figure of $800K.

Then what about other international and origin rep players like Tedesco (8 Tests, 7 Origins), Cordner (19 Tests, 12 Origins), Crichton (3 Origins), Keary (2 Tests), Morris (18 Tests, 15 Origins), Hall (38 Tests), Mitchell (2 Tests, 3 Origins) and Joseph Manu (3 Tests).

The Roosters other rep players would also have to be on TPA’s to supplement them being underpaid on the cap, players like; JWH (22 Tests), Tupou (12 Tests, 4 Origins), Taukeiaho (8 Tests), Liu (9 Tests) and Friend (1 Test). In other words an “All Star” rep team with a total of 180 tests and 66 Origins! What other teams can boast such a squad and still be under a $9.6 mill salary cap and claim a combined total of $200K in TPA’s?

Even South’s estimate would be BS. Greg Inglis and Sam Burgess alone would make up more than the $300K in TPA’s attributed to Souths. It looks more like the NRL made these figures up and forgot to have someone with common sense look at the data before it was released.

Recent major salary cap breaches:

Sharks – exceeded the salary cap by up to $250,000 in 2015 and 2017 (2018), Tigers – $400,000 undeclared arrangement with 1 player (Farah) over 4 years (2018), Sea Eagles – exceeded the salary cap by $1.5 million over 5 years (2018), Eels – exceeded the salary cap by $500,000 (2016), Storm – serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap over 5 years exceeding the salary cap by $3.78 million over this period (2006 – 2010), Warriors – exceeded the salary cap by $1.1 million over 2 years (2005), Bulldogs – systematic breaches of the salary cap totaling $2.13 million over 3 years (2000 – 2002).

The salary cap and TPA’s are a joke and the NRL are choosing which teams to penalise while clearly turning a blind eye to others (i.e. the Roosters). For all those who say it couldn’t happen then just look at all the clubs that have been busted in recent years for significant salary cap breaches ALL of whom swore that they were abiding by the rules. Had anyone posted complaining that any of these clubs were over the cap at the time they would have been shouted down by the same narrow-minded automatons who follow the ROAR party line without ever looking at the facts or using their own brains.

“NRL CEO Todd Greenberg is on record as saying the system needs review and former Melbourne CEO Mark Evans conducted one for head office several years ago. As yet, there haven’t been any major changes to a system that most clubs feel is open to manipulation.”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-under-investigation-over-salary-cap-breaches-20180828-p500d4.html

The former News Corp owned Melbourne Storm are given the responsibility to “review” the salary cap system and the former NRL chief auditor now does the books for the Roosters and the Broncos are now majority owned by News Corp (i.e. FOX Sports) who is one of the main benefactors who bankroll the NRL’s billion-dollar income. Is there any wonder why the Storm, the Roosters and the Broncos are routinely favoured by the NRL and given the best draws and prime-time TV time slots year after year?

NZ was almost part of the Federation of Australia and only backed out of signing as a member state at the last minute on 1 January 1901. Who can say if they had joined whether they may have been one of the foundation clubs? However, they did not join and my comment still stands. They are taking up a spot in the competition that could be used for expanding the game nationally WITHIN Australia and if the situation were reversed IMO they would not hesitate to punt an Aussie team from their domestic competition to facilitate the growth and expansion of their game.

@ Admiral Ackbar

So then irrespective of whether or not Perth get their own team or a relocated Sydney club you won’t be shifting your support from the Cowboys then I take it? I was all for the Bears being reinstated to the NRL playing from the Central Coast when I was living there but I still would have followed the Rabbitohs regardless so I can understand you sticking to the Cowboys. Do you think there are many who live in Perth would rally behind a Perth based team? Also, is there a large Rabbitohs following in Perth as large crowds dressed in Rabbitohs merchandise would seem to indicate?

@ Footy Fan

In business, there cannot even be the perception of impropriety. Hiring a former NRL salary cap auditor clearly gives the Roosters an advantage over the other 15 clubs, even IF everything IS above board. But there is also the very real possibility that inside knowledge of the NRL salary cap auditing system will be used to effectively allow that club to play a “shell and pea” game with the NRL and move money around to avoid discovery.

There is also the “potential” for the former auditor to have sympathetic friends on the inside of the system that can give tips or advanced warning of any “potential” action or scrutiny by the NRL. In short, the public “perception” is that there is an unfair advantage for one club over the others. This is made worse by the fact that the former NRL auditor has a LONG association and loyalty to the club in question and therefore a predisposed bias towards them. To argue otherwise is to be either intentionally naive or affected by the same bias. At the very least any rational, fair person has to admit that there IS the “potential” for this to be abused and give one club an advantage over the system and the other 15 clubs.

Particularly when NO other club has more than ONE player on $1 mill a season much less THREE and ALSO their third highest player is on $850K, TWO players on $650K and TWO more on $500K. Latrell Mitchell and Joseph Manu “should” be on at LEAST $450K. That’s $7,150,000 of a $9,600,000 salary cap for just 10 players! That leaves just $2,450,000 for 20 players! Or $122,500 per player. That’s an NRL rookie salary, NOT a salary for players with international and origin rep experience that should be earning 3 or 4 times that amount.

JWH $350K* (New Zealand) – 22 Tests
Liu $300K* (New Zealand/Samoa) – 9 Tests
Taukeiaho $350K* (New Zealand/Tonga) – 8 Tests
Tupou $300K* (Australia/Tonga) – 12 Tests, 4 Origins

Sub-Total = $1,300,000

* VERY conservative market value estimates (less than market value)

That leaves “realistically speaking” $1,150,000 for 16 players which averages $71,875 per player with an NRL minimum salary set to $105K in 2019. Little wonder that the Roosters own website only lists 26 players of their compulsory 30 man squad!

@ Big Daddy

His job us to protect the club not himself. Show the emails to the board, sake Flanagan (say they are going in a different direction and tell Flanagan if he speaks out the emails will be released and in all likelihood he will be de-registered and banned from coaching). Then delete and purge all of the contentious emails and move on.

@ souvalis

And if it results in the Cronulla Sharks going broke and being backed in a corner by the NRL who take over control of the Sharks what then? Should the Sharks fans get behind that knowing that the reward for being one of the two clubs that sef-reported along with the Tigers is to face financial ruin and NRL control of the club that will lead to them either being wiped from the game or forced to relocate and change their identity. Would you feel excited if that was the outcome for yoyr club?

I read a story on another forum today that confirmed the Roosters did exactly the SAME thing as the Tigers in offering Anthony Minicello a post-game position as the club’s ambassador. The only difference is that the Roosters declared this in advance and the who exercise was rubber stamped and approved by then NRL auditor-general… Ian Schubert. I guess it helps to have friends in high places.

Spot on! Honesty and integrity it one thing but naively pushing a club you are paid to protect infront of the NRL bus without considering the consequences that could destroy that club is not a sign of professionalism but rather of naive incompetence.

So you must be a Broncos supporter then Matt H? You must be proud of the way your clubs administrators shot themselves and the Rabbits in the foot with their keystone cops handling of finding a coaching successor for Wayne Bennett (aka Papa Smurf)?

Was it ethical or proper for them to approach Seibold in April 2018 when he still had a year and a half to go on his contract? Then when it hit the fan and Bennett dug in his heels they didn’t even have the balls to terminate his contract but allowed Bennett instead to control the media releases. Seibold may have had a great first at Souths but second-year syndrome can affect coaches as well. Seibold might yet prove to be the coaching equivalent of Chris Sandow who could do nothing wrong while at the Rabbitohs but after leaving them he could do nothing right.

At least Bennett will be highly motivated to remind the Broncos of their mistake in spurning him. Remember, “Hell hath no fury like a geriatric stick insect scorned”. Or words to that effect. 😉