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Micko I’m in Queensland so everyone does love NRL 🙂 In the youth group I run those who play sport play rugby league or basketball. I thought my comment was long enough without delving into AFL which coincidentally I enjoy watching much more than NRL.

Is it too late to reverse rugby's long decline?

If I may offer up my views as a pom. I grew up watching soccer, rugby union, tennis, cricket & athletics probably in about that order. I remember watching the 2003 world cup and seeing Johnny wilkinson hit the winning drop goal in extra time. Every February I remember watching the 6 nations. What made rugby different from soccer was the size and physicality of the game. The fact you don’t kick the ball you pass it. This is what made rugby unique. The other thing that made rugby unique was that I never watched club rugby it was just internationals. World cups and 6 nations. I didn’t even know there was premiership until I was a teenager.

Then about 4 years ago I moved to Australia and everyone loved rugby league or should I say NRL. I was confused why players would get tackled and the tackler would lie on top the ball carrier for as long as possible and the tackled player would hump the ground. The physicality was there but then the game was slowed down. They then get up and roll the ball through their legs (but then i found out that’s a penalty even though every time that seemed to be what they were doing). Then after three or four one out runners there would be 1 back move or a kick. I still don’t understand what the attraction of NRL is.

The reason I prefer union over league is that it isn’t so structured as league. League you know one team will have the ball for 5 phases then either score or kick it. Union brings some much more facets to the game: scrum, lineout, breakdown, running attack, kick contest, collision success, counter attack.

There are so many tactics your team can employ whereas league I couldn’t say what the tactics are: run hard try and offload to gain extra ten metres and kick on the last tackle. What teams play with different tactics in league? Whereas a rugby union team can try and play to so many different tactics. Don’t have good backs we will try and win it in set piece and kick chase. Set piece not working keep the ball in play.

Is it too late to reverse rugby's long decline?

Agree that a lot of excuses were tabled for South Africa but not so many for England. For context England won short their top two hookers, and two starting looseheads (one came on after 1 training session), their captain & vice captain and countless wings. That’s how you start the game. You then lose your big ball carrying centre against SA after 7 minutes.

All of this against a backdrop of renewing the team. Since RWC2019 the true order by win percentage:
England
France
Ireland
NZ
SA

I think you can geniunely make the case that England, france & ireland are at various stages of evolving their team, NZ in need of some sort of freshen up & what about SA. What areas have they progressed since RWC? I would say the problem areas that were there are still there. They have tried to develop the attack through the year but most of the tries i’ve seen are off kick chase or when teams are down to 14. I don’t think you will win the 23 world cup with that strategy.

'Rocky, heaving, but brutally beautiful': What we learnt about every RWC contender in 2021

Pretty big call early doors – definitely possible but there are a lot of people who after 5 tests look good but they may not realise the perceived potential. Certain tactics may find him out, loss of form, loss of desire.

The Thursday rugby two-up: The Panel's Players of the Year

Woki the breakout player of the year with Freddie Steward breakout player of the autumn in my books.

The Thursday rugby two-up: The Panel's Players of the Year

For balance last 6 nations they lost to france by 2 points only but once again france played with 14 from minute 59 and outscored wales 12-3 although the game ended 14 vs 13 after two welsh went to the bin for repeated infringements.

Why it's not all doom and gloom for the Wallabies

Wales wins over major nations since RWC 2019
Ireland player red carded in 14th minute win by 5 points
Scotland player red carded in 54th minute win by 1 point
England 14 points from two dodgy tries (knock on & ref not allowing time for defence to set)
Australia player red carded in 15th minute win by 1 point

I’ve never been convinced Wales were ever that good since RWC 2019. Definitely lucky: 6 red cards in the past 12 matches not aware of any team to have had such luck but even then they are not winning by more than 5 points.

Why it's not all doom and gloom for the Wallabies

England learnt to win without tuilagi, with a second string front row whilst blooding a number of youngsters. Defence on the whole was good I think one try conceded over the autumn.

Still to work on discipline, fourth choice hooker lineout throwing & consolidating line breaks.

Why it's not all doom and gloom for the Wallabies

If it goes back you have played within the laws of the game, you have got into a position where you contest possession and deliberately knocked it back to your side of the field. If it goes forward and you’ve gone with one hand then you have deliberately knocked on.

Genuine flames, if not a roaring bonfire of momentum, to end the Wallabies’ year

But isn’t that what rugby is if a pass is marginally forward its the difference seven points and a scrum to opposing team. You can tackle someone on their shoulder create a huge whiplash on their neck and not be penalised but get it marginally wrong and its red. Clean out too far and your attack is stopped.

We complain that the rulebook is too complicated this is about as simple as it comes knock the ball forward when you are in possession scrum, knock the ball forward going one handed penalty and maybe yellow if line break is on. Knock the ball back play on.

Genuine flames, if not a roaring bonfire of momentum, to end the Wallabies’ year

I agree there is no need to change the law, if you as a defender get to a position to bat the ball back why should you be punished ?

It’s still an incredibly high risk play probably about 1 in 100 attempts are actually going to come backwards and given the overlap Australia had the welsh player should have seen yellow if it had gone forward.

There are many other situations in games eg competing for high ball, lineout etc where you should be able bat the ball down backwards.

Genuine flames, if not a roaring bonfire of momentum, to end the Wallabies’ year

They should just ban the caterpillar ruck. That’s the real gripe, at times the ball is trapped in between bodies so some times the scrum half needs to go digging with hands to clear it out but then could definitely say if the ball is not trapped and you touch it ball is out.

Rantings of an armchair referee: Too much TMO and offside remains unclear

Both England & Australia were very poorly disciplined on the weekend and have been for some some time. What can they do to fix that?

Or how like england make that indiscipline not matter?

Get your questions in for Issue 35 of Coach's Corner

If you can’t see the difference between DR speaking out for three minutes at the end of the tour when the next match for Australia is in what 6 months as opposed to an hour long edited video put up by a burner twitter account in between week 1 and week 2 of a 3 test series then I don’t see how anyone can be reasoned with.

'Is there any accountability?': Everything Rennie said as he savaged refs group over 'massive decisions'

You can’t seriously suggest that losing your two first choice looseheads and two first choice hookers would not impact any team.
Sure having four players out isn’t a biggie but when four of the six front rowers are out surely you can see the bigger impact at set piece

The Bok fan is not normal: Why everything rides on this battle with England

I think it suits England going in as underdog in this game. Key will be scrum with two props out or having 1 day training and 2 hookers down will be interesting to see how that goes.

The Thursday rugby two-up: Last chance saloon

Please tell me you aren’t complaining about the red card to damien mackenzie? I’ve got news for you Nic berry didn’t make damien mackenzie run into tate mcdermotts head with his shoulder. There is a difference between getting the 50/50 calls and being a biased ref. I see lot of people comment saying nic berry is a bad ref but for me the games i’ve seen him ref there haven’t been any howlers. He may have made mistakes but please tell me MH01 when you are refereeing a game and we will see how many howlers you make or miss.

'Forever tarnished': Nic Berry reveals heavy toll of Rassie's 'character assassination'

Brett agree there shouldn’t be but in practice there is. From memory this SR trans Tasman there was a red card to Damien Mackenzie that some commentators were saying was wrong and then I can’t remember which Barrett it was but it was a pretty clear red card which was only given as a yellow.

Whereas in the premiership the players and commentators know exactly what is going to happen because it’s consistent.

'No answers': Only questions and confusion left lingering from Wallabies' loss to England

I would suggest the difference in cards is more down to how head contact is officiated in Aus & NZ and as a result not as strong a technique change as in NH.

It is a good point though about the influence the home tv director has. Not sure how you solve that though. no independent person will be quicker at controlling the replays as the host broadcaster

'No answers': Only questions and confusion left lingering from Wallabies' loss to England

Agree cookie the pressure exerted by both defenses were exceptional IMO. Both teams scramble defense stopped a lot of those line break opportunities.

'No answers': Only questions and confusion left lingering from Wallabies' loss to England

Both sides were clunky in attack but I think you need to credit the defences of each side a lot more. England defence put pressure on wallaby attack and superior kicking game meant game was played well away from danger zone. England played how you would expect with new personnel and attack coach whilst giving away multiple stupid penalties

MATCH REPORT: Brave but bumbling, the Wallabies fall to Eddie for eighth straight time

As an English supporter the key to stopping England is gain line. To be within a shout you have to win the gain line against English attack. If you don’t the 10/12 are too good, the forwards can move the point of contact too well (look at the ball playing skills of genge, sinckler and George possible the best ball playing front row in the world). In previous times if you got gainline the English attack struggled. The big unknown is now with Smith at 10 can england still score tries with no gainline

'Playing smarter rugby': Why Wallabies have a good chance of breaking England drought

Don’t suppose you want to email Eddie to include this tactic against Australia 😂

You aren't imagining it... proof the Wallabies were hard done by

Surely this can’t be the case every 5m lineout drive teams don’t compete wait for two players to bind to the catcher and penalty to you. Is there no exception during the lineout?

Surely this is not an intended consequence of the wedge law?

You aren't imagining it... proof the Wallabies were hard done by

But that’s a maul offence with no need to reference the new wedge ruling. My understanding of what occurred is scotland players bound onto the ball carrier thus forming a wedge. so with this new rule this is now a penalty. Without this wedge rule however I think the try is good.

Man at the front was in possession until engaged by a defender. Yes the person in possession holds the ball right under scotland 7 at the back of the maul nose but if he is still holding the ball he hasn’t actually transferred it. He then does this when contact is made.

You aren't imagining it... proof the Wallabies were hard done by

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