Eddie Jones and the ELVs
By Shaun, 16 Sep 2008 Shaun is a Roar Rookie
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Eddie Jones, the great “student” of the game of rugby union, one-time coach of the Reds, Brumbies, Wallabies, and currently the Saracens Director of Rugby, has made his views crystal clear on the ELVs, comparing them to Twenty20 Cricket: a simplified rugby spectacle for the masses.
He sees that they are of most benefit to Australia, and is not in favour, believing their creation to be fundamentally flawed. While he may have his finer points as a technical advisor, his indictment of the global trial of the ELV’s is not one of them.
In a recent column for the Independent, Eddie has slammed the ELVs, arguing that they “quickly achieve the polar opposite [of the IRB’s desired effects].”
Eddie believes that he can make such a judgement after “having looked (at) the opening round of (European) matches”. Eddie’s article was written after one round of the Guinness Premiership, the Magners League and three rounds of France’s Top 14. Now we all realise from what we have seen in the Super 14 this year that the ELVs, let alone any raft of changes, take more than the opening matches to settle down.
Eddie continues, calculating that on average per match in the Guinness Premiership and the Magners League respectively, 3.3 and 1.2 tries were scored. What is clear from a comparison of the Super 14 with and without ELVs (noting the difference between the current and Super 14 ELVs – the free kicks), however, is that the number of tries per match was boosted from an average of 4.76 in 2006 and 4.68 in 2007 to an average of 5.70 per match in 2008.
Eddie then says how the ELVs have created hesitancy and confusion within teams – as above; judgement has been passed far too early.
Now Eddie goes on to tell us, that “there are fewer scrums and line-outs, more kicks (and in his analysis, therefore less “actual” ball-in-play time), less pick-and-drives and generally less set-pieces.
So you ask, what is my point exactly?
Do I believe that the ELVs result in the game that Eddie Jones goes on to describe, as one without a job for his scrum coach Cobus Visagie and with less specialists?
While that question requires further, more long-term and deeper analysis of the effects of the ELVs than presented here, it is my view that Eddie has crucially not actually analysed the true effects of the “sanctions ELVs”, or the “cheat’s charter” as they have been labelled by sections of the English media.
From what I have seen this year in the Super 14, there have been more tries, more scrums, more or less the same amount of line-outs and more of the ball in play – all in my opinion, due to the sanctions ELVs.
Having a free-kick gives you the tactical choice to tap-and-go, take the scrum or go for the line-out as your strategy and situation dictates. It is for this reason that John O’Neill has campaigned so hard for the Northern Hemisphere to trial all of the ELVs (and specifically this one) in some form or another.
While I was annoyed at the way the “ruck/maul unplayable” free kick was refereed in Saturday night’s game and do not believe that the sanctions ELVs are perfect, it remains absolutely clear that without the sanctions ELVs, the ELVs do not function as they were intended.
It then becomes clear to us that Eddie has only analysed the ELVs in isolation, not with a view to the bigger picture, and I would make two direct criticisms:
1) That it was the NH Unions, not the iRB, that allowed the “polar opposite” to be achieved by their collective non-trialling of the “sanctions ELVs”.
2) That he failed to include any constructive criticism of the current global ELV trial, which would have led to him to the conclusion that the “sanction ELVs” were mistakenly left out of the global ELV trial.
No real disrespect to Eddie himself. In many ways he has done rugby proud in Australia, but here I believe he has undoubtedly erred.
PS. I find it quite intriguing that Eddie, as a once strident opponent of “boring” English-style rugby (Eddie playing mind-games perhaps?) and as a Wallaby coach who directed as much time to scrums as they had game time, has now changed his tune somewhat. Would that be Eddie playing games again, or just him playing to the tune of his new masters/country?
Eddie Jones article: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/news-comment/eddie-jones-elvs-produce-only-gremlins-for-a-game-which-suits-all-sizes-928839.html
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Benjamin said | September 16th 2008 @ 1:46am | Report comment
It would probably serve your argument better had you any S14 statistics to offer.
Colin N said | September 16th 2008 @ 3:06am | Report comment
I’m getting bored of the ELV’s debate now. Let’s see how the NH season goes and then we can judge.
Benjamin said | September 16th 2008 @ 4:41am | Report comment
Indeed, I don’t think Jones is the poster boy for the NH anti-ELV party, firstly because no such party exists and also because there is a necessity to question a selection of them. I imagine he was repsonding to the interviewer as opposed to having rung up the paper and saying, “Look mate, I want an interview to slate the ELVs, can we do that?”.
Also Shaun… to clarify, Jones has worked for Saracens before so he has the perspective of the GP pre-ELV and during the ELVs.
Spiro Zavos said | September 16th 2008 @ 6:04am | Report comment
Eddie Jones is a control freak coach. He wants every second of a game to go according to rehearsed drills etc. He even worked out that scrums take up 8 minutes in a game, so he used to spend 8 minutes on them at practice. Hence the woeful Wallaby sacrum in his regime. He hates players having to play what is in front of them rather than his rehearsed plays. So of course he hates the ELVs.
Benjamin said | September 16th 2008 @ 6:25am | Report comment
I think hate isn’t a very responsbile word Spiro. Frankly what he says makes sense. I am pro most of the ELVs but makes valid points. What you are doing is basically saying that he should be ignored because he is a control-freak and essentially anti-rugby. Just sounds like another George Gregan tirade.
I think the Wallaby scrum would have been woeful had Woody Hayes or Fred Allen been in charge. The Australian scrum problem stems from the ARU’s top-down approach and not the efforts of a single coach who generally over-achieved.
Justin said | September 16th 2008 @ 8:35am | Report comment
You cannot make any clear analysis after a couple of rounds so its ridiculous to start having a debate on them. I suggest Eddie wait until the end of the season to see how the game has evolved.
Shaun said | September 16th 2008 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Benjamin- I’ve got some from wikipedia about the number of tries, but where else could I find statistics?
I was relying a bit on memory from post game-analyses, when the line-out and scrum numbers were mentioned..
I didn’t realise he’d worked there in 2006 though- probably as an advisor.
Colin- Understandable, I just saw this article and felt compelled to speak out really
Justin- My point exactly- that Eddie and everyone else who is judging the ELVs(myself too perhaps?) is judging them way to early.
LeftArmSpinner said | September 16th 2008 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Shaun,
While in favour of free speech, I wish I could draw the line just before rantings from Mad Eddie. Instead, I will just upgrade the spam filter. Here is why….
Firstly, he has lost two games from two in the new season, so he is looking to blame someone other than himself. Compare this to Graham Henry mea culpa after the loss in Sydney in this year’s 3N.
Secondly, trialing 13 of 33 ELV’s is not a sufficient number to qualify anyone to sprout forth on them.
Thirdly, Eddie has an opinion on everything and sadly is allowed to subject us to these rantings on a regular basis.
Benjamin said | September 16th 2008 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Shaun, rugbyheaven perhaps? Peter K is normally quite good with stats. I think as much as some people are judging the ELVs as being inherently bad (not many – all European fans have found some good points), equally many SH fans are all too willing to judge the ELVs as fantastic and impervious to critique.
Spinner… I have already informed you that the interview was released prior to the second Saracens loss. An 84th minute loss in Manchester is hardly sack-the-coach material. Jones has worked at Saracens previously and he worked wonders so I am sure the board have complete faith in him.
hayden said | September 16th 2008 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and look at his coaching record. He is trying to win the battle of the headlines because he can’t win anything else. Whether or no the ELV’s are any good is another matter.