
Liam Anthony of North Melbourne is tackled by Andrew Embley of the Eagles during the AFL Round 03 match between the North Melbourne Kangaroos v West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium, Melbourne.
When the AFL expands to 18 teams in 2012, questions over scheduling will become more of a dilemma for the league, with a conference system one of the few options available to balance fairness and marketability in its draw.
The current system of 16 teams playing 22 rounds obviously has the flaw of creating an imbalance where some teams are forced to play stronger opponents twice in a year.
The AFL won’t condense the season to 17 matches, each team playing each other once, as some, such as the AFL Players’ Association, have suggested for obvious fiscal reasons, while expanding so each team plays each other home and away would extend the regular season to 34 weeks plus finals, which obviously isn’t possible.
One option is a conference system in which the competition is split into two different divisions, with teams in their own division playing each other home and away in addition to playing teams in the other division once.
It makes sense. Every team plays each other at least once, there is regularity in terms of which teams you play twice, and the season would be extended to a manageable 25 home and away rounds.
But deciding on how teams are split into the two conferences poses a huge dilemma.
In America, where the conference system is widely used, there is the easy distinction that can be made by geography. For example, in the NBA, the Eastern and Western conferences are easily split by the North American landmass.
For the AFL however, being heavily weighted in Melbourne, this poses some problems.
At first sight the obvious option appears to be to split the conferences into Victorian and non-Victorian (although, with ten Victorian teams and eight non-Victorian teams, one of the Victorian teams would be forced to the dark side) divisions.
But while this would retain the AFL’s valuable Melbourne blockbusters, it would be woefully unfair to the non-Victorian clubs, who would have to travel to Perth, Queensland, Adelaide and Sydney twice each, while the Victorian teams would rarely have to leave the state, possibly only having to travel four or five times when they play teams from the other conference in away fixtures – unless it’s decided that the Victorian teams must play the non-Victorian conference teams away, guaranteeing each of them must leave Melbourne at least eight times each while compensating the non-Victorian conference with more home games for all their extra travel (did you get all that?).
But the fairer option is mixing up the Victorian and interstate teams.
Again, there can be no real geographical basis for the divisional split, therefore, and they would be ad hoc creations to cater for fairness while trying to retain traditional rivalries.
But while Collingwood and Essendon, Carlton and Richmond and the other traditional Victorian rivals could be grouped into the same conference, the non-Victorian rivals shouldn’t really be aligned together.
West Coast and Fremantle, for example, would surely need to be split into separate conferences so there is an even balance of trips to Perth for the rest of the teams. For the sake of fairness, the same should apply for Adelaide-Port Power, Brisbane-Gold Coast and Sydney-Greater Western Sydney.
This, however, limits the AFL’s blockbuster fixture options. If the likes of the Eagles and Dockers were split into two separate conferences, then West Australian fans would only see one derby per season.
Figuring out who goes into which conference and appeasing the demands of each club will be an extremely difficult task for the AFL.
The conference system also shouldn’t be flexible and ever changing. If rivalries and meaning are going to be developed in the two conferences, then it needs time to settle. If the teams in each conference are changed each season, perhaps using some sort of seeding system, then it would take a lot longer for fans of the game to embrace the conference system and the rivalries within that.
So while a conference system appears to be the way to go in the next expansion phase, there remains the scheduling dilemma for the AFL in balancing blockbuster fixtures with fairness, let alone deciding the make up of the conferences.
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James said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:45am | Report comment
The big advantage of the conference system IMO compared to the current system is there will be consistency in terms of which teams you play twice, ie you know each year who they’ll be. Problem is as you say balancing the conferences.
Marshall said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Interesting article. While people have spoken about the AFL adopting a conference system the reality of how it work is complicated.
Imagine the likes of Kennett and Mcguire bickering about which conference they get out in and with who.
Timmuh said | April 11th 2010 @ 8:58am | Report comment
I’d prefer the current situation, except formalised somewhat. A single ladder, but who plays who twice being decided by a random draw, slightly compromised to take into account some blockbusters.
In essence the following pairs would all end up in the same group, with three groups:
Adelaide/Port Adelaide
Brisbane/Gold Coast
Carlton/Collingwood (this one is debatable, I’d rather not have any Vic pairing guaranteed to be together)
Fremantle/West Coast
Sydney/West Sydney
No more than four Vic teams in any group.
Each team plays the rest of their group twice, and everybody else once.
Each team plays in each region (Adelaide, Perth, Sydney, SE Qld) at least once.
Each team plays at the MCG a minimum of two times.
So you may have, as an example, in 2012:
Group A – Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Essendon, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs
Group B – Fremantle, West Coast, Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond
Group C – Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, West Sydney, Geelong, North Melbourne
but in 2013 those groups would change.
It changes very little, but at least gives some chance of equity; despite being compromised for local derbies. And a random drawing of such groups is necessary, to stop the (justified) cries of favourtism.
The above will not happen though, not without all of Carlton-Collingwood-Essendon always being drawn together – because of the “blockbuster” policy.
Marshall said | April 11th 2010 @ 11:06am | Report comment
See if you have Bombers Carlton and Collingwood in the same conference then the other Victorian teams are disadvantaged.
Timmuh said | April 11th 2010 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
As I said, my prefernce would be not to have anu guaranteed pairings of Vic clubs, but the AFL would put those three together. As an ugly compromise, Carlton-Collongwood or Collingwood-Essendon could be used; but the preference would be none.
Even if all three go together it would be little different to now, except Collingwood and Essendon would travel more than three times a year.
Forgetmenot said | April 11th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
A conference system may be the way to in 2012. I dont see the problem with only having one blockbuster per year in the two team states. It may bring a bit more prestige back to the games.
The Victorian teams will need to be broken up. They could be split between the Southern conference, and the Eastern conference.
However i am more concerned with what will happen next year. Will there be only 17 rounds??? Is that enough. Can there be more rounds by giving 3 teams a bye each week?? Should SoO be back for next year with Tas, Vic, SA, WA, and the rest playing?
Timmuh said | April 11th 2010 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Next year, I believe, will be 24 rounds with 22 games for each team. Presumably with the byes there will be no need for a split round. So, the season will be one week longer. My guess is that the gap week between the pre-season final and real round one will disappear. Again, with two byes to come (sometimes one team, sometimes three?), the break might be deemed unnecessary.
Forgetmenot said | April 11th 2010 @ 9:47am | Report comment
So they alternate between 7 and 8 games a week?
That seems reasonable.
It will be very interesting to see how teams approach the season and see how they attempt to keep momentum going between breaks.
Also interesting will be how the AFL schedules which team plays a team after they have had a bye. Will they ensure that each team has equal amount of times playing a team after a bye, or will they forget about it.
Marshall said | April 11th 2010 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
What’s going to happen with Supercoach and Dream Teams with all the byes? It’s gonna be hard to field a full team each week. They better give us more trades!
Forgetmenot said | April 11th 2010 @ 11:45pm | Report comment
In the English Premier League version you have to select players based on which teams are playing that week.
There are two trades each week, and then each additional one costs a certain amount of points.
Baz35 said | April 11th 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
“So while a conference system appears to be the way to go in the next expansion phase”
How could possibly conclude that when you haven’t come close to presenting an acceptable model?
There needs to be a solution to the unequal “draw”, currently subject to absurd determination, but there are a number of ways it can be achieved.
Marshall said | April 11th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
How then?
Baz35 said | April 13th 2010 @ 8:40am | Report comment
See Brian suggestion.
Also, the simplest is to base the draw purely on last years ladder finishing positions, though you’d lose any current advantages in relation to block busters / derbies etc
Ben said | April 11th 2010 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
A topic with has not been discussed concerning a conference system, is the oppurtunity for a conference vs conference All Star match, similar to what occurs in the United States. The AFL might look to hold this match annually.
Conference All Satr games do have their benefits. Suppose they are played in the middle of the season, it gives the vast majority of players a weekend off, while it may also serve as a counter to the NRL’s All Star game which was popular earlier this year. Also, I believe the 150th anniversary match in 2008 was a success.
However, because the conferences are artificially built, there may not be the support of the fans, who are alligned to a particular team rather than a conference. This means the results of the game may not be taken seriously by fans. Take the MLB All Star game in America for example, where the conference which wins means their team gets home field advantage in the World Series. This would not happen in the AFL, with the MCG always holding the Grand Final. Still, an All Star game could be entertaining, with the best 44 players on display on a Saturday night at the MCG. The All Star match is something the AFL should consider when discussing a move to a conference system.
I believe that the AFL should look at 2 conferences of nine teams each, with the top four in each conference making the finals. As the league continues to grow, a conference system ensures the league become fairer. Recently the league has muted that they would like a 10 team finals series. This means teams with a less that 50% winning record can become premiers. Lets hope the AFL is joking. With four teams from each conference making the finals, the finals series can be cut to 3 weeks meaning regular season game have more importance. (1 vs 4, 2 vs 3) winner plays off to become conference champions, with the conference champions playing the Grand Final.
My final point is that a conference system would also ensure closer finals races. This is because you could structure the season in the following way:
First 8 rounds you play your conference rivals.
The next 9 rounds you play teams from the other conference (interleague play).
Last 8 rounds you play your conference rivals, this means there are alot of “eight point” games later in the season, this model has been adopted by super rugby for next season.
ralph said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
@musolino understand the rationale to balance club travel loads, but its a bit strange to split freo/west coast, crows/freo, swans/west syd and lions/gold coast. the whole idea of conference rivalries is tossed out of the window if they are in seperate conferences?
James said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
If WC and Freo are in the same conference then it’s unfair to the other teams in that conference as they’ll have to travel to Perth twice in a season, while teams in the other conference could avoid a trip to Perth entirely, hence the problem of fairness.
Brian said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
I would have 17 even rounds and then split the teams based on their ladder positions.
Teams 1-6 play another 5 rounds with points carried over to determine finals positions.
Teams 7-12 play another 5 rounds with points carried forward to determine the last 2, 3 or 4 finalist’s depending on how many make it
Teams 13-18 play another 5 rounds without points carried forward with the winner getting 1st pick in the draft.
This would give us a GF preview in the last five rounds of the season, provide bklockbusters for making the finals, solve the tanking issue, keep a 22 Round season and actually be fair to all teams by basing everything on results in the even draw of rounds 1-17.
James said | April 11th 2010 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
Doesn’t the NFL do something similar? Short regular season then a long finals series.
ralph said | April 11th 2010 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
@james I think NFL do 16 games (not all the 32 teams get to play each other) then a 4-week conference championship + superbowl.
@brian I like your idea too, but i recall the reason why the season doesnt have all the teams playing once in the first 17 rounds of the season is because the AFL dont like the scheduling disasters out of it. things like teams playing after only five days break, teams travelling twice in two weeks to perth or adelaide and the best broadcast timeslots may not get the blockbuster games. the scheduling becomes uneven for clubs, really shabby for broadcasters ($$) and the competition overall.
Brian said | April 12th 2010 @ 8:50pm | Report comment
Silly me to think about fairness and crowd interest when network $$ are at stake
Marshall said | April 12th 2010 @ 10:03pm | Report comment
That’s the dilemma at the heart of all this.
Baz35 said | April 13th 2010 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Something like this has always been my preference. There are other variations you could think of on this. You could even potentially give the top team from the lowest a chance to to play off with one of the teams in the second to play off for the last spot in the finals. You could increase the points etc to double the importance of the last 5 matches
A system like this:
1. would significantly increase interest at the end of the season
2. would eliminate a lot of the one sided matches between contenders and “tankers” for instance (note IMO one sided matches are a bigger turnoff in our code then in the other codes -particularly soccer)
3. Likely increase the number of “block busters” and big interest “8 point” matches, and so overcome the loss of not being able to rig the draw
4. add more prestige to the minor premiership
The only sig negative I can think of is the travel for the Perth teams losing the guaranteed second derby
Jaredsbro said | July 5th 2011 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Freaking genius mate. Sorry I wasn’t there to congratulate you on your genius, but if you catch this GOOD WORK! Something like a system where you have a tiered structure like that would work wonders, with ladder position being even more important than it is now. Also gets rid of tanking…and just like the Football League, everyone’s realising playoffs aren’t just to decide winners, they ought to decide privileges as well. Also any system which allows carry-over, that is doesn’t wipe the slate clean (like the tanking phenomenon) is the best acknowledgement I can think of for the true value of encouraging a general plugging-away and rewards both winners earlier in the season and those who struggle but have the capacity to reach the playoffs later on when the ball gets rolling.
Bob said | April 11th 2010 @ 7:51pm | Report comment
Bring back State of Origin, start the season in May and play a 17 game season. The NFL limits the number of games and it keeps the interest high.
sheek said | April 12th 2010 @ 6:09am | Report comment
Once you go beyond a certain number of teams, & aim to keep total home & away matches within a certain number, you won’t find the perfect solution.
My suggestion is to firstly break the proposed 18 clubs into 3 pools, or conferences of 6 clubs.
Pool A – WA x 2, SA x 2, VIC x 2.
Pool B – VIC x 6.
Pool C – NSW x 2, QLD x 2, VIC x 2.
Everyone plays each other once, & the other teams in their pool twice, for 22 home & away games. How you determine the finals is another problem. Straight out top 8, or top 2 from each pool, plus 2 of 3 third best performers?
Anyway, this is my suggestion. Keep the non-Vic local derbies together. Vic teams can be rotated around each pool over a period of time.