Kennett is right, the AFL must temper its arrogance
By Michael DiFabrizio, 2 Dec 2010 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
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Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett is known for making outlandish statements, however he was completely justified yesterday in labelling the AFL “bloody arrogant” for the way it switched official airline partners from Qantas to Virgin Blue. The reason behind the switch, it’s believed, is that the AFL were demanding Qantas not sign agreements with other major sporting codes.
Kennett’s primary concern was how the change could affect player welfare, given (until Virgin expands to include business class) clubs won’t have the luxury of upgrading players from economy if they’re injured or simply need the extra space. And it seems to be a concern held by a number of clubs.
However, Kennett also didn’t shy away from the apparent reasoning behind the AFL’s decision.
“The reason that has (been) given to me and was publicised at the time was that Andrew Demetriou said if you don’t give us exclusivity over soccer and union, then we’re going to change the airline,” Kennett said on 3AW. “I think that is just so bloody arrogant, as to be very, very upsetting.”
Jeff’s right. The AFL have really come across as arrogant on this one.
Sure, the league has every right to be competitive and to seek out the most beneficial deal for the game. But it’s nothing short of provocative to other codes to ask Qantas – who hold naming rights to both the Socceroos and Wallabies, in deals that would have to be worth millions annually – to end sponsorships with rivals of the league.
What’s truly troubling with the AFL’s mindset here is that the league is currently expanding into New South Wales and Queensland, markets where this kind of behaviour is unlikely to go down well.
Firstly, because the sports that would be most affected by Qantas removing its sponsorship are so prominent in those states. (Aside from soccer and rugby union, Qantas are also involved in rugby league.)
Secondly, because history shows that even the hint of arrogance from the AFL tends to lead to hostility in the northern markets.
The league should have learned from the failure in Sydney of its ad campaign a couple of years back spruiking “The Game That Made Australia”. Not only did the ad fail to resonate with locals, the Daily Telegraph’s Tim Morrissey wrote at the time, “The AFL could not have come up with a better way to alienate Sydney if it tried.”
And thirdly, it’s an issue because it doesn’t fit well with the AFL’s public mantra that all the codes can work together or at the very least coexist.
It’s one thing for Andrew Demetriou to talk the talk (like in this recent Herald Sun piece, even if he does plug his own code one too many times) but it’s another thing entirely to walk the walk. The AFL don’t always back up their words with actions.
That’s not to say the AFL should be diplomatic with other codes at the expense of all else. Far from it.
There are times where the league needs to stand up and protect its own turf, and I’m happy to see it happen.
However, the request of exclusivity from Qantas was provocative to other codes and the assumption that the airline would want to partner solely with the AFL at the expense of two of our country’s most popular national teams was bigheaded, to say the least.
Given that, the response of Qantas spokesman Ken Ryan last month was unsurprising: “It’s been a good partnership, but the AFL had issues with our arrangements with the other codes. We have a proud history of supporting all sports in Australia, including all codes of football and that’s not going to change. We will not enter into exclusive arrangements with any sporting body.”
You can’t blame Qantas for holding that attitude.
Just like you can’t blame Jeff for his comments.
Michael DiFabrizio is completing his journalism degree. As an AFL writer, he has been an expert columnist at The Roar since 2009, and appeared in The Age and on ABC television and radio. Follow Michael on twitter @mdifabrizio
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December 2nd 2010 @ 5:05am
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2010 @ 5:05am | Report comment
You cannot be serious. Its Andrew Demetrious job to do whats best for the AFL. Its not his job to worry about the consequences for other sports. The fact that he did get an exclusive arrangement from an airline shows that not only was this the correct approach, but it wasnt an unreasonable one to take either no matter how provocative it may be. Kennett can hardly talk when it comes to arrogance. Finally, the Socceroos and Wallabies arent really competitors to the AFL, in Australia only the NRL can really claim that.
Qantas position is understandable, but the fact that the AFL got what it wanted from Virgin should mean that the AFLs position is understandable as well.
December 2nd 2010 @ 5:22am
katzilla said | December 2nd 2010 @ 5:22am | Report comment
Why does the AFL need exclusivity with Australia’s national airline?
Would it mean they get all of the Qantas sponsorship dollars?
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:41am
The Link said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:41am | Report comment
by definition it was unreasonable to QANTAS
December 2nd 2010 @ 8:31am
amazonfan said | December 2nd 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Yes, but it’s not the obligation of the AFL to determine what is unreasonable to QANTAS. They should only determine what is in their best interests, and if QANTAS does not agree, then that’s fine, they will simply cut ties. There’s nothing wrong with that.
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:39am
allblackfan said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:39am | Report comment
Qantas is an international carrier who sees sense in sponsoring those codes with a truly international reach (ie soccer and RU). If Aust does win the 2022 SWC, who will care one cahoot about the AFL’s preferences? When the Wallabies go to Europe or SA (or even NZ), do they fly Virgin? I think not!
Another reason for western Sydney to turn its back on the arrogant AFL!!
December 6th 2010 @ 4:39pm
John said | December 6th 2010 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
Allblackfan. Totally agree with you.
March 2nd 2011 @ 5:31pm
Patrick said | March 2nd 2011 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
I do apart from Australia winning the World Cup.
March 2nd 2011 @ 11:17pm
amazonfan said | March 2nd 2011 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
So the AFL is arrogant for wanting to look after its own interests? That is absurd.
December 2nd 2010 @ 7:03am
Redb said | December 2nd 2010 @ 7:03am | Report comment
I agree business is business – this happens all the time in the corporate world.
However, the players comfort should have been considered, some consultation with the AFLPA undertaken,etc.
December 2nd 2010 @ 12:45pm
TCunbeliever said | December 2nd 2010 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
I think that’s the issue here – every weekend during the season roughly 160 players have to fly interstata, as well as another 15-20 officials, coaches, trainers from each club. they’re the people who are going to be most effected by this decision.
December 2nd 2010 @ 5:09pm
p.Tah said | December 2nd 2010 @ 5:09pm | Report comment
I’m looking forward to seeing Demetriou get out his credit card as the food trolley comes down the aisle to order his pringles, chicken sandwich and juice!
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:33am
TCunbeliever said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:33am | Report comment
I’d be surprised if he didn’t have his own private jet, TBH..
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:38am
Wotdoo said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
He didn’t ghet an exclusive deal with the airline, the airline has no other deals to begin with
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:06am
Whites said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:06am | Report comment
I find it bizarre that the AFL thought that Qantas would even entertain the idea. Qantas have been heavily involved in the world cup bid. Did the AFL really think Qantas would decline being the official airline of a world cup?
What have they now ended up with? All the players flying economy. I’m sure that will be appreciated on trips to Perth.
December 2nd 2010 @ 1:28pm
Black Diamonds said | December 2nd 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Many clubs charter flights to Perth in any case – Victorian clubs I’m talking about.
December 9th 2010 @ 5:40pm
AC said | December 9th 2010 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
It sounds like the AFL were probably going to cut ties with QANTAS anyway. They may have figured, “We’ve been negotiating with Virgin Blue for a while now. They’re giving us everything we want. We’re ready to walk away from QANTAS. But let’s for the sake of it see if we can squeeze the unreasonable out of QANTAS. You never know, we may just be able to screw Soccer and RU as the cherry on the cake! “.
December 9th 2010 @ 9:11pm
MyLeftFoot said | December 9th 2010 @ 9:11pm | Report comment
AC -
I tend to agree.
Although, when the ‘Qantas Kickstart’ program get’s renamed the ‘Virgin Kickstart’ program,
it kinda works on one level,
but, kinda doesn’t work on another………………hmm, troubling!!
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:12am
KP said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:12am | Report comment
Not really looking after players here tho is he?
I’d LOVE to be a 7foot tall ruckman with a history of hamstring problems, sitting in a cramped economy seat travelling for 4 hours from perth after a game… Brilliant… Love to be the physio dealing with that situation, those boys need the legroom!
Also in terms of selling the AFL as the game the whole of Australia loves, wouldn’t it be better to be associated with the national carrier and not a budget airline? SO what if they also sponsor other football codes – they support the national teams of rugby and soccer, AFL is now selling itself as all about the money, not about being a national Australian code.
Remember that chartered jet QANTAS organised for the socceroo’s to get them back from Uraguay? That was MASSIVE PR for both QANTAS and the socceroos, imagine if the All Australian side was flown back from Ireland like that? Or one of those meaningless friendlies played overseas was flown by QANTAS? Haven’t really thought it through…
Chase the $$ Demetriou and the more we move away from what is a great national sport.
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:40am
Forgetmenot said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:40am | Report comment
A few years ago Qantas had stickers on the glass windows at Melbourne Airport stating “Football … its taking off” and they had a soccer ball included in the graphic. That is one of many reasons why the AFL dropped them. They were simply not paying enough attention to them.
December 2nd 2010 @ 8:02am
MagpieFlag said | December 2nd 2010 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Yes, I suspect this had something to do with it. Likewise I seem to remember a “Qantas, proud sponsers of Australian Football since XXXX” or something a long those lines….
I suspect the AFL had every right to be concerned with with Qantas and I wouldn’t take a quote from some Qantas dude and certainly not Jeff Kennett as given. Rather than exclusivity it is highly possible that the AFL merely attempted to put conditions on the use of “football” and particularly “australian football” to promote rival sports?
Having said that I don’t think the AFL really had much choice but to stick with QANTAS, regardless of where Qantas prioritised them, unless of course they have a rock solid commitment from Virgin Blue to ensure that the players needs are looked after. And once again, where the AFL has truly demonstrated arrogance is in the lack of consultation of its own “stakeholders” in a decision that affects them deeply.
December 2nd 2010 @ 8:09am
The_Wookie said | December 2nd 2010 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Given that the AFl has already said subsidized charter flights can be used by clubs which want them, and given that Virgin is already undertaking major improvements to its class arrangements, I think its way too early to hit the panic button.
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:50am
Mals said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:50am | Report comment
Arrogant indeed! This & a whole host of other reasons is why many of us “Northerners” greatly dislike (being polite) the game of AFL. Long live league, union & soccer in Australia!!!
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:23am
Fez's are cool said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:23am | Report comment
+ 13m (the population of NSW and Qld)
December 2nd 2010 @ 1:31pm
Chris said | December 2nd 2010 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Well put Mals, very well put..
April 21st 2011 @ 3:36pm
Tito el Colombiano said | April 21st 2011 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Exactly!!!! This is not the only issue they display arrogance on – be careful AFL or it could quickly become the VFL again.
April 21st 2011 @ 4:33pm
amazonfan said | April 21st 2011 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
How did the AFL display arrogance, any arrogance at all, on this? Anyway, no matter what happens, it will never become the VFL again. Adelaide and WCE, for starters, are too successful, while the competition has the resources to support less successful clubs, Victorian or otherwise, well into the future. If you think the AFL could ever become the VFL again, you are clearly understating its success and popularity.
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:56am
Redb said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Good article MD right on the money.
Is anyone else struck by the irony of Kennett calling someone arrogant?
December 2nd 2010 @ 7:30am
slickwilly said | December 2nd 2010 @ 7:30am | Report comment
yep… comedy gold
December 2nd 2010 @ 6:59am
Lindsay said | December 2nd 2010 @ 6:59am | Report comment
Michael, Intersting to see this story has been removed from the HeraldSun website.
December 2nd 2010 @ 9:59am
Michael DiFabrizio said | December 2nd 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
I found that interesting too, Lindsay. You can imagine my horror last night when the article that led to this piece was no longer online! Thankfully, you can still hear the original 3AW interview online: http://www.3aw.com.au/ – but it’s still very intriguing why it was pulled down by the HS.
December 3rd 2010 @ 12:11am
Karlos said | December 3rd 2010 @ 12:11am | Report comment
Wow. So the media is protecting the AFL by pulling an article from the web that portrayed the AFL badly. Just like the media pulled an article that showed Rugby Union hero phill keans in a bad light regarding sexual activity with a dog. Doný hear of any Rugby League articles being pulled to save that game’s face.
December 3rd 2010 @ 6:57am
Ian said | December 3rd 2010 @ 6:57am | Report comment
Karlos
As I mentioned above, the AFL live in a little bubble in Victoria with little in the way of accountability to its sports fans and decent investigative independant journalism. (Melbourne Media is full of ex AFL hacks with even news limited have a policy of employing ex players).
A bit like the “Emperor’s New Clothes” with Jeff Kennett acting like the little boy by stating the obvious ie “The AFL have really come across as arrogant on this one.” is akin to “he has no clothes on”.
Well done to Michael for running with this. Its a shame that many of the threads deviated from the intent of the article.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:12am
Redb said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:12am | Report comment
Oh the irony of a RL fan talking about bubbles. Gave and have a read of the Daily Telegraph, owned by News Ltd, half owner of the NRL.
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:01am
Ian said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Redb
Agree with you 100% on this one. Isn’t that ironic in itself?
December 7th 2010 @ 7:49pm
John said | December 7th 2010 @ 7:49pm | Report comment
Not any more.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:19am
The_Wookie said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:19am | Report comment
And as Ive mentioned above AFL isnt just based in Victoria any more than Rugby league is just based in NSW. If you think the Sydney media is full of ex nrl hacks you obviously have some sort of literacy issue. All media outlets emply former players and coaches from the major sports.
jeff Kennett has a right to complain, but hes viewwed by many in Victoria as a guy who has had a big mouth and an opinion about everything since he was premier. Remember this is the same guy that a couple fo years ago wanted to restart the FFA.
December 9th 2010 @ 5:45pm
AC said | December 9th 2010 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
I think Phil Kearns legal reps jumped in there pretty quickly and threatened to take News Limited to court. In his case there was no public domain footage/evidence of his alleged act. So it’s an unfounded allegation subject to civil slander laws until that evidence comes to light.
December 5th 2010 @ 10:22am
Paul Roberton said | December 5th 2010 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Unsurprising. The Herald Sun is the official newspaper of the AFL.
December 7th 2010 @ 8:28am
Lindsay said | December 7th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
Michael, This is why the story was pulled.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mr-andrew-demetriou/story-e6frf7jo-1225966767286
December 7th 2010 @ 9:54am
Joel said | December 7th 2010 @ 9:54am | Report comment
A REPORT on heraldsun.com.au last Wednesday (DEC 1) wrongly suggested AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou was involved in an argument with a female Qantas worker after he was refused entry to the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge.
The Herald Sun accepts Mr Demetriou was not involved in any argument with a Qantas staff member and was not refused entry to the Qantas lounge, and apologises to Mr Demetriou.
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:02am
JamesP said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Looks like it…and they replaced it with this
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-denies-demetriou-refused-entry-to-qantas-chairmans-lounge/story-e6frf7kx-1225964118028
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:24am
Fez's are cool said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Typical of the Melbourne media and their sweeping of anti AFL stories under the rug.
December 2nd 2010 @ 7:30am
Jay said | December 2nd 2010 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Great article.. This story didn’t really get much of a run up here, but I’m sure most of Sydney would be appalled at the blackmailing of QANTAS (and let’s face it, they could use the sympathy at the moment)..
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December 2nd 2010 @ 8:22am
Redb said | December 2nd 2010 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Sorry, how is it blackmailing? QANTAS either agree or not to the exclusivity.
This happens all the time in business.
The bigger issue is around player welfare and lack of consultation.
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:26am
Fez's are cool said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:26am | Report comment
I hope you are coming to understand how much your sport is loathed north of the murray by the responses in this thread.
You just seem to be in an AFL bubble Redb and oblivious to reality
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:37am
slickwilly said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
afl is not so much concerned by what cashed up sports fans think today – it is interested in providing choices for the coming generations of cashed up sports fans – and slowly, bit by bit the afl will establish a sustainable presence
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:38am
MyLeftFoot said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
I don’t think the AFL is overly concerned by a dozen correspondents expressing envy for the scale of the AFL’s operations, in fact, they woudl be overjoyed.
December 2nd 2010 @ 1:18pm
Redb said | December 2nd 2010 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
I hope you realise that generalisations are fraught with danger.
December 2nd 2010 @ 2:37pm
Koops said | December 2nd 2010 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Fez’s are cool said I hope you are coming to understand how much your sport is loathed north of the murray by the responses in this thread.
Fortunately a few bogan comments on some websites , and some nasty childish comments in the Daily Telegraph from a couple of people with real chips on their shoulders are not the real public’s perception of Australian rules, i have lived in Sydney and it’s just the same few idiots time after time.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:05am
Redb said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:05am | Report comment
Spot on. Mean very little in the big picture.
June 23rd 2011 @ 11:22am
Brad said | June 23rd 2011 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Try again, it’s loathed. The perception is it’s a fairy’s game. It’s Netball for men.
June 24th 2011 @ 3:57am
amazonfan said | June 24th 2011 @ 3:57am | Report comment
Brad, have you ever watched a game of netball? Obviously not, as if you had, you wouldn’t make such a silly statement. That you would resort to homophobia is truly sickening.
July 25th 2011 @ 11:05am
brad said | July 25th 2011 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Hey amazonfan, where’s the homophobia? What are you on about?
July 25th 2011 @ 12:31pm
amazonfan said | July 25th 2011 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
You wrote ‘Try again, it’s loathed. The perception is it’s a fairy’s game. It’s Netball for men.’ The term fairy is often used as a bigoted term about gay people, as it suggests that they are less than masculine. It may not have been your intention, however it is a horrible thing to say.
August 1st 2011 @ 10:31am
westie said | August 1st 2011 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Goo on Fez’s are cool. This publication (The Roar) has it’s head office in NSW. No wonder it is full of AFL bashers. Oh and by the way, Kennett may be arrogant but he is correct. The AFL is arrogant to the point that the game could suffer. And another thing, how about you do some research and compare game attendances for all football codes and tell us what you discover.
December 2nd 2010 @ 7:43am
Titus said | December 2nd 2010 @ 7:43am | Report comment
QANTAS could use Tim Cahill as a spokesman and he would be recognised all over Australia, Asia, Europe and the world.
The AFL couldn’t even use someone who is recognised Australia wide except maybe Folau/Hunt. The AFL brand is extremely limited despite the large number of spectators in Melbourne.
December 2nd 2010 @ 7:50am
punter said | December 2nd 2010 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Very true.
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:04am
Anthony said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Is Tim Cahill the son of John Cahill? If so, I would know him!
December 2nd 2010 @ 1:21pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | December 2nd 2010 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Who is John Cahill?
December 2nd 2010 @ 3:03pm
Koops said | December 2nd 2010 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Ignorance is bliss, even if you dont follow football, but have a general knowledge of Australian sports history, which of course would include tennis you would know who John Cahill is.
December 2nd 2010 @ 3:09pm
Ben said | December 2nd 2010 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
I know of a Darren Cahill who was a tennis coach, not of a John Cahill, probably some obscure historical AFL figure that no one outside of Victoria or South Australia knows nor cares about, if Darren is related to him then good on him for becoming a coach in a proper sport and not the victorian shame.
December 2nd 2010 @ 3:58pm
Koops said | December 2nd 2010 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
As i said, ignorance is bliss, you must be extremely happy, and your posts prove it.
December 3rd 2010 @ 3:06pm
Total F said | December 3rd 2010 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
I thought wikipedia might help, but there are no references to a tennis player!
John Cahill may refer to:
John Cahill (baseball), former Major League Baseball outfielder
John Cahill (footballer), retired Australian rules football player and coach
John Cahill, C.E.O of Meez.com, a popular virtual world
John P. Cahill, former Secretary and Chief of Staff to New York Governor George E. Pataki
John Baptist Cahill, Roman Catholic Bishop of Portsmouth
John Joseph Cahill, Premier of New South Wales from 1952 to 1959
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:05am
JamesP said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:05am | Report comment
“The AFL couldn’t even use someone who is recognised Australia wide except maybe Folau/Hunt. ”
Which is exactly why they AFL was keen to get them on board playing with GC/GWS Duh!
I think you’ll find Gary Abblett and Adam Goodes and possibly Chris Judd are also pretty well known…
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:16am
AGO74 said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:16am | Report comment
…..in Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Still greatly unknown in NSW. Warwick Capper or Tony Lockett would still be the most recognised AFL person in NSW. Serious too – not a wind up.
December 2nd 2010 @ 11:28am
Fez's are cool said | December 2nd 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
And even then, Capper only as “that bogan AFL guy”.
Lockett is the only AFL personality that has some respect in NSW. And that coach guy who just retired (sorry don’t know his name)
December 2nd 2010 @ 5:19pm
TCunbeliever said | December 2nd 2010 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Well we’ll just see how that changes over time..
I kinda thought Barry Hall, Adam Goodes and Paul Kelly would have been kinda well known. But at any rate, in 20 years from now more and more players will be household names up there.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:11am
Fez's are cool said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:11am | Report comment
Err, no they won’t. Unless you buy up more Broncos players
December 3rd 2010 @ 6:52pm
TCunbeliever said | December 3rd 2010 @ 6:52pm | Report comment
Well lets just wait and see, mkay?
March 2nd 2011 @ 5:35pm
Patrick said | March 2nd 2011 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
Hall’s well known, Ablett not so much, and Reiwoldt (Because of the naked pics). Goodesy’s known too.
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:20pm
UK Steve said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:20pm | Report comment
The average European (even soccer fans) wouldn’t have a clue who Tim Cahill is.
December 4th 2010 @ 4:29pm
Titus said | December 4th 2010 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
No because they wouldn’t know who the highest scoring midfielder in the Premier League is, right?
Are you sure you live in the UK Steve?
December 4th 2010 @ 5:07pm
slickwilly said | December 4th 2010 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
cahil plays midfield – well… you live and learn
December 2nd 2010 @ 8:19am
djfrobinson said | December 2nd 2010 @ 8:19am | Report comment
This type of attitude and tactics is why I do not want to see AFL in New Zealand.
December 2nd 2010 @ 10:45pm
Forgetmenot said | December 2nd 2010 @ 10:45pm | Report comment
The lower levels of football promote a very strong sense of community and personal growth.
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:36am
TCunbeliever said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:36am | Report comment
that’s right, so while djf will see a fair bit of amateur Australian Football played, there will never be an AFL side based in New Zealand.. They’d have to change the name of the league from FVA to VFL to AFL to OFL/IFL (oceanic / International) depending on whether we have the Chinese team in the comp then too..
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:02am
djfrobinson said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:02am | Report comment
TC
I have no desire to see any level of the sport in New Zealand. It’s an Australian sport let it stay in Australia.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:07pm
TCunbeliever said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:07pm | Report comment
I’d love to help you out there buddy, but it’s out of my hands.
There are independent run leagues there already, and there’s nothing I can do about that..
I suggest you get a blindfold.