Deans will force players to own Samoa loss
By Andrew Logan, 18 Jul 2011 Andrew Logan is a Roar Expert
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Australia's Rod Davies, left, is knocked out of bounds by Samoa's Alesana Tuilagi during their rugby union test match in Sydney, Sunday, July 17, 2011. Samoa won the match 32-23. (AP Photo/Rick Rycroft)
Amongst the smoking debris and bomb craters left on ANZ Stadium after the Wallabies were lambasted by Samoa yesterday, the comment was made that “coach Robbie Deans will be shattered in the dressing sheds after that”.
I’ve been something of a student of the Deans School of Psychology since he was appointed to the Wallabies top job in 2008 and while it’s hard to argue that Deans won’t be disappointed with the loss to Samoa, there is plenty to suggest that he’ll use it as an opportunity to reflect the responsibility back to the players, just as he has since day one.
A Deans University degree in rugby has plenty of free ranging electives, combined with a few core subjects, and these core subjects all point to one thing – that your standing in the game is always temporary, and you have to front up and earn every result.
This central tenet to the Deans philosophy was underlined by his comments post-Samoa, where he said plainly “We were beaten by a side which came here with a real intent, and got the result that they wanted”. The implication being plainly that the Wallabies didn’t bring a real intent, and consequently got a result that will make them squirm for some time yet.
Only those in on the half-time talk will really know what coach Deans said to his players, but I am certain that the vibe would have been “OK boys, you got yourselves into it, now get yourselves out of it”.
Certainly that line of thought was supported by his reluctance to use his reserves bench. Will Genia and Kurtley Beale didn’t join the play until the 55th minute, despite Mark Gerrard being largely absent, and halfback Nick Phipps being unable to organise the rabble.
Sitaleki Timani remained on the field when Dan Vickerman joined, with the experienced and effective Nathan Sharpe given the early shower. Rod Davies stayed on for the whole game, despite an ordinary display where his lack of raw strength was evident.
It all pointed to Deans wanting to see whether any of his fringe starters could step up and take some control in the face of huge pressure from a buoyant and aggressive Samoan outfit. Unfortunately as the game went on, the answer to that question became clear.
To say that Robbie Deans wasn’t interested in winning the Test would be plainly wrong. He’s a proud man, and a winner at heart. But he knows that the big prize on offer is the World Cup, and that perhaps the best thing for his young group is to get themselves into a tough situation and then own the experience of getting out of it. Or not, as the case may be.
Sometimes the learning can be as valuable as the winning.
Robbie Deans is big on responsibility and he’s big on learning. He’s also big on competition within the squad, and giving as many players as possible a chance to show their wares and press for a spot.
As he said recently “Only a certain number get that opportunity on the weekend to run out in the cauldron, but the wheel turns, and opportunity always presents itself. It is up to how individuals grasp those opportunities.”
Not many grasped the opportunity yesterday.
By way of illustration, when the 40 man Wallaby squad was named recently, it was an intriguing experience to feel uncertain for once about the naming of the returning Dan Vickerman and the recently injured Rocky Elsom, two players who normally inspire a huge amount of confidence.
Out on the field, Elsom looked sullen and out-of-sorts and appeared to be a yard behind for a lot of the match. I once wrote that he ran and fought for ground as though he was being paid by the metre. If that was the case against Samoa, he might be wondering about next week’s rent.
As for Vickerman, his hands were rusty and his lack of pace after an extended period of time out of top line rugby was obvious. Does Australia really need him at the World Cup?
Despite Timani’s lapses with his hands, he is much fitter and harder on the ball than Vickerman, and James Horwill is better than both of them by a country mile. Perhaps at 32 and after 3 years out, the big lock has left his run too late.
Speaking of grasping the opportunity, we have to look hard at the experienced Wallaby Matt Giteau, who was given the chance to show that he is a viable alternative to Quade Cooper, particularly in the nightmare scenario where Cooper is injured during the World Cup.
It wasn’t to be.
Although Giteau was the glue that held the faltering Brumbies together this year, he was unable to turn the tide against a physically rampant Samoa. To be fair, he was given no help from Phipps early, but it’s hard to imagine a Genia/Cooper pairing failing as much to change tactics when things started to go badly wrong.
Giteau appeared to not want to kick for position, but as Scott Higginbotham showed during his cameo, a judicious grubber or two went a long way to turning the Samoans around and rebalancing the pressure. Playing wide and cross-field against a rushing Samoan defence doesn’t really work – just ask Rod Davies who was on the end of a couple of bellringers. Indeed Giteau himself was t-boned a couple of times for his one-dimensional tactics.
To paraphrase Deans, the Wallabies didn’t so much show “the depth of their resolve” so much as the “depth of their presumption”.
And the Samoans played tutor to Deans’ professor, driving home Deans’ lesson to the Wallabies that “Nothing is forever and you have to earn it every time”.
Where to from here? It’s ugly, but not a total horror movie.
The Samoans played with some real structure and intelligence, unlike the unjust stereotype of Islander teams. Their defensive patterns were for the most part tight, fast off the line and very physical – a gift to the Wallabies really, in the sense that we got a good look at what we are likely to confront from the better sides come World Cup time.
Not everyone was poor either.
Adam Ashley-Cooper and Pat McCabe were strong in defence and McCabe took the ball forward with heart, despite the certain knowledge that he was going to get bashed.
Ashley-Cooper made a heavy try saving tackle about 3 metres out from the Wallaby line. Ben McCalman also managed to wrestle his shoulders through the defensive line to give the Wallabies some go-forward ball – the fact that it was mostly squandered was not his fault.
Digby Ioane didn’t see anything like the space he enjoyed with the Reds, but ran hard, and was physical in his work.
There were good signs there and nothing should detract from the Samoan victory. On this performance, they were as good or better than all the Six Nations teams, except probably England and France. The Wallabies, by contrast, were no better than any of the 6 Nations teams, except probably Italy and maybe Scotland.
But they didn’t get there on their own. The Samoans pressured them into mistakes, beat them at the tackle and breakdown contest, and won the physical battle generally. They deserve all the plaudits.
Robbie Deans will be disappointed that some of his players didn’t front up on this occasion. But he has learnt the hard way that this Wallaby side always needs a reminder early in the season. “Nothing is forever and you have to earn every result”.
He’ll be disappointed, but in the hands of Robbie Deans, the Samoan result could be just the mirror which reflects the Wallabies’ lack of resolve back at them, and forces the players to take responsibility for their World Cup fate.
If that happens, look out world.
Of course, that’s just my own outlook. As Deans quite rightly says about the words of critics and selectors, “It’s just one man’s opinion”.
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July 18th 2011 @ 6:36am
Ben S said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:36am | Report comment
This Samoan game wasn’t a one-off. We’ve now seen losses (where victories were expected) to Scotland at Murrayfield, Munster at Thomond, England at Twickenham, and two crushing defeats to England and Samoa at home. All games were marked by an absence of mental strength ans willingness to really put bodies on the line. What exactly is going on?
Samoa were deserved winners, but they played a very obvious brand of rugby, and on quite a few occasions they didn’t know what to do, so just hoofed the ball in the air. Let’s not convince ourselves Australia lost to a great team here (i.e. Samoa are better than most 6N sides), because that plainly isn’t the case. Samoa had a very, very weak set piece, and played hard, but obviously and they rode their luck too. This was a very, very winnable Test match, and yet again a Wallaby side under Deans was manhandled. Given the ferocity with which Samoa played during their recent European tour, it was hardly a surprise how they would play either.
Alexander, Moore, Sharpe and Elsom are all likely starters, and they were blown away. That is hard to ignore. We know that McCalman and Hodgson are little more than honest triers, but Kepu and Timani had excellent Super seasons, and yet went AWOL. All sides with a strong pack will be taking notice. Who cares if Genia and Cooper are coming back if the same vulnerabilities remain at the breakdown? It’s pretty hard to cover this loss with positives IMO.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:23am
Who Needs Melon said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:23am | Report comment
Ben, hate to agree with you again but unfortunately you are right.
Been a bit of a disease in Oz for years. It could be explained as a ‘tactic’ – i.e. don’t commit to many to the ruck so we have numbers in the line in defense. But if it’s a tactic, someone out there has to know when to change tactics!
But I don’t think it is a conscious tactic. I don’t think it’s a question of fitness either. Not physical fitness anyway. I just think we select too many forwards who would rather hang off the ruck so they can receive a pass and attempt that great, bustling run and leave the hard work at the breakdown to someone else. Work at the breakdown isn’t as noticeable as that great, bustling run, is it? Unless you get a great, sneaky pilfer of course! And that’s the other problem – when we do get to the ruck it’s usually one or at most two forwards who think the best thing to do is reach in and try and grab it.
Lesson guys: watch both the Reds and Crusaders in the Super final again. Forwards contest the rucks by arriving in numbers and driving over the top of the ball, staying on your feet. It’s super effective!
Finally, yes we can sub out these guys and put our A team on… But shows our lack of depth is frightening.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:21am
Ben S said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:21am | Report comment
WNM, don’t hate the player, hate the game…
It’s different when Pocock is playing, because realistically Hodgson is no more than a solid Super player. Also, the tight five didn’t front up. Kepu and Timani didn’t replicate their Super form, so when TPN and Horwill turn up then that ‘tactic’ becomes more viable.
Am actually really excited about the Springbok Test next week now.
July 18th 2011 @ 3:21pm
F Rugby said | July 18th 2011 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Agression in the forward pack is what is need, by adding Pocock, Daley and TPN to the pack the whole physicality of the team will lift. These guys inspire the players around them to get down and dirty and physical.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:36am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Samoa deserved to win – full stop. Too aggressive at the breakdown, too hard defensively. And they dominated without even possession.
Elsom cost the wallabies any chance of momentum with stupid decisions not to take points in the first 15. Wasted opportunities to lineout and scrum went begging. A lack of respect or overconfidence from a side that had no glue. The Samoans then took two turnovers and deserved to lead.
And the wallabies with that line up – Elsom up front and Giteau as captain of the backs had nothing. They could not lift their team, change tactics, try options.
Elsom will be lucky to retain his place in the side or the captaincy. Giteau played himself out of any chance of a starting jumper. Both good results for the wallabies.
AAC and Gerrard will be lucky to be seen in the 22 on those performances.
Moore worked hard, Sharpe worked hard, Kepi needed the run, Beale and Higginbotham were excellent. Genia was very good.
I think the positives out weigh the negatives, we gave some guys a chance and they didn’t deliver. Good, easy to find 10 names now. And I am sure that Deans treated this match as a challenge for the fringe players, with the hope that Samoa and SA B would let him see some form. Unfortunately, too many failed to show up and the leadership of the team failed. SA B will now be a real test with our best starting and fringe players getting 5-25 minutes depending on the result.
I think we need another foil in our backline and hope that Barnes is fit, and Mitchell can recover.
And it ended any discussion on Giteau at 10, and seriously dented Rocky’s chances of remaining at the helm.
July 18th 2011 @ 11:15am
Cattledog said | July 18th 2011 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Capital, I hope its smashed rather than dented Rocky’s chances of staying in the team, let alone as captain. Giteau should not have even been given the chance…better giving Beale some game time in that position (just for this game) or JOC, but he was (supposedly) injured.
I think we have gained much more from losing that game than we would have gained from winning it. Quite frankly, I think the Wallabies will win next week against an understrength Boks and the real litmus test will be the following week in NZ. Might be a hard one to win but a good performance will be the order of the day.
As I have said on other posts, doesn’t matter what battles you lose, as long as you win the war
July 18th 2011 @ 10:21am
cookee said | July 18th 2011 @ 10:21am | Report comment
rather simplistic to exonerate deans entirely for another dismal performance with all the pseudo-psychology in this article.
deans has to be responsible for guiding the wallies esp in this world cup year.this result demeans the jersey.
deans probably arranged this fixture and selection to test these players and teach his 40 member squad about responsibility not presumption.YEAH RIGHT.anyway deans you can take comfort that jon you and the peurile uni bs will get rationalised and look forward to your contract being renewed til 2015.INCREDIBLE
July 18th 2011 @ 1:12pm
jokerman said | July 18th 2011 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Well Ben S, you win one game against the All Blacks in Hong Kong and all humilty just goes….wraped up, wraped up in self, in hype and mind…and trying to plant a seed of doubt into others.
What you give, you get back.
July 18th 2011 @ 5:20pm
Gumboot said | July 18th 2011 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
@Ben S
Did you watch the game Ben? “They just hoofed the ball up in the air” or “they had very, very weak set pieces”, wow, I’m of the opinion that their kicking was tactical genius that set up set pieces. They disrupted the Wallabies set pieces, their positional field placement was outstanding, to me they showed a team unit that stuck to a game plan and didn’t show the typical running sideways backwards flashy play that we’ve been accustomed to in the past, they played as a unit with decoy runners, support play etc.
July 18th 2011 @ 6:38pm
Ben S said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:38pm | Report comment
A lot of the Samoan kicking was reactionary, because the Samoans turned over ball, rather than any great concerted effort to put the Wallabies back in their own 22.
The Samoans didn’t disrupt the Australian set piece either. Their scrummage was very weak, with Taulafo constantly disengaging and they could only really work off of a short lineout.
July 18th 2011 @ 6:53pm
Canon said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
Well I watched the game and I have to say I agree with Ben. The Samaon kicking wasn’t great nor were their set pieces. The point is that they overcame the weaknesses in their game whilst the Wallabies were unable to. As Ben says, and has been clearly apparent for a number of years, the Wallaby forwards and especially the tight five cannot cut it at international level. They’ve been getting outmuscled for quite a while now and it’s hard to see why. They are just as big and strong as any around and yet they keep getting beaten and I can only assume it’s because their attitude isn’t right. Defence comes down to attitude and if you aren’t prepared to do the hard work then you are going to get beaten every single time.
July 18th 2011 @ 5:39pm
aitor moragas said | July 18th 2011 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
Ben S, while Samoa was a pretty formidable opponent on that day, they are not better than most 6N sides. Most of the 6N sides actually defeat the Samoans on a regular basis.
However you have a point as they have upped a few notches and everybody (including the Springboks and the All Blacks that will face them in their respective pools) should take notes of what a pacific nation in a World Cup year might do.
But I’d suggest you not to be over pessimistic when assessing your players strengths: you will get a much better idea on where the Wallabies are next week when they face the Springboks. You may call them South Africa A, but they will definately be tougher than the Samoans.
While you are at it, please do pay attention on the team that the ABs will name to line up against Fiji.
July 18th 2011 @ 6:40am
Damo said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:40am | Report comment
I like your optimism Andrew, but is it not possible that the coaching staff made mistakes in selection and tactics?
Or were they deliberate mistakes in order to trial the resolve of contenders?
I think the staff may have under-selected for the breakdown and for the most crucial position on the field- halfback. I am not writing off Phipps, because he was struggling behind a wobbly pack, but a week ago the same thing was happening to the Reds 9. But unlike yesterday Genia rose to the occasion.
This game was a brilliant experiment designed on the training paddock that failed miserably on the real paddock. Now the coaches and selectors are going to have a hell of a job working out their reverse selections now- that is their improbable/impossible selection split from yesterday’s game.
As an aside I have wondered over the years why Samoa have not beaten Australia (or other top tier nations). My conclusion was that they had not had the coaching, the tactics and the time together to gel into a successful unit.
Well that era is now over. Well done to Samoa.
July 18th 2011 @ 6:47am
Ben S said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:47am | Report comment
They always spend weeks together during their European tour.
July 18th 2011 @ 6:50am
GoldenBull said | July 18th 2011 @ 6:50am | Report comment
Not worried- Glad the wallabies lost, shows you once and for all that Giteau does not bellow there, nor does Timani, Vickerman and Hodges.
Higginbothem showed he deserves to be in the team and it was only Higginbothom, Beale, Genia and Iaone that played to any good standard.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:05am
warrenexpatinnz said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:05am | Report comment
GB agree in most part and when you look at the comments posted others are singling out players that disappointed them, or infuriated them!
Deans didn’t plan/want the loss but needed to discount members of that squad and more importantly who can play his game style under pressure, in this case wasn’t necessarily speed pressure but physical pressure. The Wallabies face Samoa potentialy in the quarters, England and Ireland. All teams not noted for their backs (not a dig) but more for the forward confrontation so for me it was great that some soft arses were kicked yesterday and those that were rested understand that anything less than 100% will be a fail.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:38pm
Pot Hale said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:38pm | Report comment
“The Wallabies face Samoa potentialy in the quarters, England and Ireland. All teams not noted for their backs (not a dig) but more for the forward confrontation… ”
Ireland are known more for their forward confrontation? News to me. Ask SH fans to name Irish players and you get: ” Brian O’Driscoll, eh, Ronan O’Gara, Darcy, eh, eh, O’Connell and eh, eh, eh…..Heaslip!.
“The Irish finished strongly in the Six Nations. They are a very dangerous side because they have players in the back-line who can create. I think they’ll be strong.” G. Henry 5 July 2011.
July 19th 2011 @ 7:50am
Hopperdoggy said | July 19th 2011 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Agree strongly on all points GB. This game certainly achieved the outcome of sifting out the boys from the men!
July 18th 2011 @ 7:04am
Who Needs Melon said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:04am | Report comment
Agree with “nothing should detract from the Samoan victory”.
Don’t agree with the “except probably” statements in the article.
Samoa beat the 2nd ranked team in the world. If Samoa put in a performance like that they could beat anyone.
Not too long ago Australia lost (in a similar way?) to Scotland. If Australia play like that again – no enthusiasm to contest rucks – we could lose to just about anyone.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:15am
Colin N said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:15am | Report comment
“If Samoa put in a performance like that they could beat anyone.”
They did, against England and possibly Scotland in the autumn, except those teams had the pack to repel their tactics.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:28am
Who Needs Melon said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:28am | Report comment
That sounds dangerously close to saying “with our pack, we couldn’t possibly lose to Samoa – even of they put in a good performance like they did against Australia”.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:38am
Colin N said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Well, England have had a tendency recently to not commit that many men to the ruck, but they changed tactics and asserted control at the breakdown in the autumn, something Australia were unable to do.
Samoa are a good side and if they have the preparation time, they could cause some damage at the World Cup, but I’m not convinced that they are that strong up front. Johnson, Stowers and Fa’asavalu are very good players, but the likes of Perenise and Schwalger, I think, are pretty average. So I’m slightly surprised that they were able to dominate up front so easily against Australia, which is slightly worrying.
July 18th 2011 @ 11:53am
Winston said | July 18th 2011 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I remember they pushed a very strong England team in the 2003 WC
July 18th 2011 @ 7:30am
TembaVj said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:30am | Report comment
They will get another chance this week… Against the B Boks.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:40am
Mike said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Deans – the worst Wallby coach ever!
July 18th 2011 @ 3:22pm
vaguely said | July 18th 2011 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
What about the ones that came before him? Short memory, Mike.
I’m not saying Deans is great, btw.
July 18th 2011 @ 11:01pm
Denby said | July 18th 2011 @ 11:01pm | Report comment
Technically Deans is actually the worst Wallaby coach ever. He has the worst win/loss ratio of any Wallaby coach, he was in charge for the longest run of AB defeats and 2 of the worst losses of all time Samoa and Scotland.
Not bashing Dean’s just pointing out the facts.
July 20th 2011 @ 1:53am
vaguely said | July 20th 2011 @ 1:53am | Report comment
I know, statistically he is the worst, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I base anything important solely on stats.
You know what they say about stats being like bikinis…
July 18th 2011 @ 7:52am
CraigB said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Anyone who watched the brumbies this year should have seen this coming. The backline has nothing. Pat McCabe has a big heart and throws everything into ebery game but is not yet anywhere near international standard. AAC and Gits were rubbish as usual this year.
Phipps had absolutely no idea about how to organise his pack. As a result players were hesitating not knowing whether they were needed at the breakdown or to run the ball etc.
There was marked difference when Beale, Genia and HIggas came on. Higgas showed he needs to start at the expense of Rocky. Samo too is needed to provide the same physicality that was handed to them so readily by Samoa. Hopefully now Deans and co understand the leve; to which Oz rugby lacks depth and maybe rotating a couple of starters may be an option, wholesale change will not work. Unfortunately we do not have NZ depth levels.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:41am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Anyone who has seen the Brumbies this year (every damn match) didn’t ned to see this happen in gold.
Giteau – is not a 10. Is not a leader. Is not good enough to play in our starting 15.
Rocky is not a captain.
AAC has no form and will be lucky to make the 22.
McCabe needs to play with some good playmakers and develop further. He did everything asked of him.
This team were so easily rattled, because they were so poorly led.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:10am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Agree with your comment about McCabe….give him some good playmakers and try him at 13 would be my suggestion to bring him on.
July 18th 2011 @ 7:55am
Al from ctown said | July 18th 2011 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Well it was a great time slot, thrown in there with all the league… Got me interested enough to watch… Unfortunately sorry union lovers, I won’t be watching again… To get beaten by a lesser team that was clearly better and everyone involved was ok with that?… I’m not saying that there was much wrong with your game, just not for me. Thanks anyway.
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July 18th 2011 @ 8:24am
stillmissit said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:24am | Report comment
I am in general agreement with you. I understand what Andrew Logan is saying here about Deans thinking but this was the first TV game of the Wallaby season on FTA and an opportunity to build a following. There will be many non rugby watchers who like you watched this and won’t be watching Australia at the World Cup after that gutless effort.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:45am
simon said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Like many when NZ beat AUS in league I guess.
July 18th 2011 @ 10:58am
Lorry said | July 18th 2011 @ 10:58am | Report comment
what, is your leaguie ‘aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi’ patriotism blinding you from enjoying a good win by the samoans?
As a casual rugby observer, would you prefer to see australia flog every team for example like Kangaroos v Great Britain?! Ha!
July 18th 2011 @ 11:21am
Recruiter said | July 18th 2011 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Good, go back to your boring pass pass kick it’s time for a group hug ….now its your turn no contest for the ball game!
League has deteriorated into the most boring predictable game on the planet, second only to synchronised swimming (I used to be a fan of league as well but I lost interest about 30 years ago). I doubt we will see your game at the Olympics nor will it be taken up by any other country in the world outside the current few where it only exists because of historical accident.
Now that Union has become an Olympic sport watch how it will grows globally. It will overhaul league in Australian government schools in time as well as kids and administrators realise that Union is truly an international game through which players can aspire to play on the world stage, not just in your own back yard or the north of England.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:20am
ohtani's jacket said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:20am | Report comment
It’s about time Robbie Deans owned the reality that he’s just as bad as the players on the field. Loses matches no other coach would lose.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:25am
cinematic said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:25am | Report comment
hear hear! Amazing the Deans bubble still hasn’t burst for most of the journos on this site.
July 18th 2011 @ 4:09pm
flying hori said | July 18th 2011 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
cinematic, Deans was a seed grown by NZ to destabilize the wallabies before the RWC, O’Neil took the bait, hook , line and sinker. No backs, hes yours!
July 18th 2011 @ 8:29am
stillmissit said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:29am | Report comment
OJ – I know you don’t like Deans and I’m OK with that but there is a player reality in Australia and it has been there for the last 10 years. There has grown over this time a gutless element that if the game gets tough they go missing (see my comment below). It happened in Welllington a couple of years ago when the AB’s gave us the mother of all beatings and has happened often at different times and in different circumstances, it is there and it is ingrained at all levels of Australian Rugby.
We have got soft in the forwards and believe our media rather than reality.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:39am
Who Needs Melon said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:39am | Report comment
I’m in 100% agreement. I’ve said virtually the same thing above. I think if were still playing like this in a months time, THEN the finger will start to point more to Deans. But right now the players and selectors and on-field ‘leaders’ I think are a little more responsible.
July 18th 2011 @ 8:57am
ohtani's jacket said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:57am | Report comment
No doubt, stillmissit, but all this talk about Deans wanting to see what players are made of is cr*p. The Wallabies are poorly coached and badly selected, and nothing about the result against Samoa will stop Robbie Deans from making the same poor selections in the future.
July 18th 2011 @ 10:00am
Justin said | July 18th 2011 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Correct. The selections were a laugh as were the tactics.
Apparently we had a superior lineout, then why not contest the farking thing on Samoan throws. Their lineout was ordinary yet we virtually never contested and it was wet!!! Our mauling was appalling, the back had not one move to confuse the defence.
This was a Test match – not a trial. Deans and the selectors got it wrong, underestimated a proud team, didnt have any clear tactics were too slow to make changes when they still could have won the match.
The commentators stated that the players had had a heavy training week. Forgive me but after a full season of Super Rugby they do NOT need conditioning they need tactical and combination time!
We have 4 more matches before the WC starts – does Deans know who is starting props are, his favoured locking pair, backrow, and centres? From what I have seen there are still so many questions marks over his selections and tactics and we are almost out of time.
Then again he has only had 45 Tests to find this stuff out!
July 18th 2011 @ 8:47am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Don’t agree OJ.
Two options in this match – play your best team and don’t get a chance to see the other 18 players who have performed well, or give new blood a chance.
Deans has been big on new blood, and developed our young players into a match winning force.
This was a Walabies side with no cohesion, except some club links – which had failed all year (Brumbies 10 12 13). And I appreciate this is what test rugby is all about.
I am OK with his decision to blood new players, the reality is that there were few combinations that were proven prior to teh match. I much prefer his strategy than peddling out the same faces – and not getting the feedback he needs to see good or bad from his fringe 15 players.
Well done Samoa, not good enough Wallabies. Start looking at the leadership of the team on the park – please, because on paper this side was good enough and didn’t deliver.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:09am
ohtani's jacket said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Since when was losing a test match good for anyone involved? If Deans knew how to use his bench properly he wouldn’t have to make the other 18 players look useless. This wasn’t some midweek tour match against a club side, they just lost a test match. I don’t think it will have a lingering effect on the Wallabies and they’ll front up this week like they always do, but does anybody really trust Deans to not continue making mistakes this season?
July 18th 2011 @ 9:17am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Actually OJ, I do.
If we want examples of the flip side – look at the All Blacks – every RWC in the 18 months prior they smash all comers. Unbackable favourites. Plan A doesn’t always work.
And this year, it’s not about anything other than the RWC. This year we have a 40 man squad being cut to 30 and some of them had their chances.
Well done Samoa, you deserved to beat the Wallabies, and should be proud of your achievement.
Wallabies, nowhere to hide from here.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:25am
Ben S said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Capital, it’s 8 weeks until the WC. Deans has been in charge since 2008. Australia shouldn’t be losing at home to Samoa in 2011 on the basis that it’s time to narrow a WC squad down.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:36am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I think there were positives in that match. Even if it is – you are not good enough.
And I don’t like to see us lose test matches, but I’d rather lose a test match now, than against the Boks, ABs, or in the RWC pool matches.
Sorry, I’d rather know this stuff now than in a pool match, and the scheduling of the Samoa match was to give teh wallabies a match before the 3N.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:45am
Jerry said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Losing a match now doesn’t really make you any less likely to lose later, though.
Glass half full is fine, but don’t pretend that it’s full of Moet when it’s really cask wine.
July 18th 2011 @ 9:57am
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Jerry
The run on team didn’t deliver. It’s that simple. Samoa deserved to win.
But I think our RWC squad is good and prospects are good.
July 18th 2011 @ 10:14am
Sam Taulelei said | July 18th 2011 @ 10:14am | Report comment
“But I think our RWC squad is good” If anything that game highlighted the gulf from the expected Wallaby starting XV and their backups.
There are personnel problems for their best front row, the best loose forward combination and midfield. Australia are very strong in the halves, back three and at openside flanker. This means that if they get front foot ball they can bring their dangermen into the game but if they don’t, there are question marks over the ability of their tight five to scrap it out and lay a platform.
July 18th 2011 @ 1:30pm
Capital said | July 18th 2011 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Sam
The Reds were the best side in the competition. Pick their next best side or the Crusaders … and what have you got?
The ABs are probably the most consistent when you take their best dozen players off teh park – have been for as long as I can remember. Their depth is stronger, better.
Not many countries can deliver test match sport without their best players. Boks won’t do it this weekend – and if you look at other sports for examples – Australia cricket side in 70s when WSC started.
The performance was poor. Players played badly. The captaincy was rubbish. Samoa were far better. Too many players did not step up.
Lets see where we are at the end of the 3N, because from what I have seen – the only concern is we lost Robinson; and we may have found out that some players can’t transition from great S15 form to test rugby.
Yes we have depth issues – but you know what, they didn’t appear when the final whistle blew. And these players wn some very good close matches at the end of last year.
I am not ready to preach the doom and gloom line.
July 18th 2011 @ 1:55pm
Sam Taulelei said | July 18th 2011 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Capital I agree that it’s too early to predict doom and gloom for the Wallabies. Those comments are par for course when the Wallabies lose or put in a substandard performance.
I wouldn’t even write them off if their form is wobbly during the Tri Nations.
There are three distinct tournaments played this year in our part of the world. The Super 15, the Tri Nations and the World Cup.
Success or lack thereof in either of the first two doesn’t automatically signal an advantage or disadvantage for Australia, NZ and SA.
The Reds play a style of game that suits their players and temperament, whether that translates to success at international level for the Wallabies we’re still to find out.
July 18th 2011 @ 10:30am
cookee said | July 18th 2011 @ 10:30am | Report comment
OJ.exacltly such deceit is palpable.
just keep telling little robbie that hes a guru and that hes got it under control ;not your responsibility mate;and guess what we will get more of the same;OR will we be good parents and show some guidance thru preparation.
reality,clarity and ownership is whats needed.
July 20th 2011 @ 2:01pm
johnny-boy said | July 20th 2011 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
And here his OJ’s beloved Graeme Henry’s take on Deans …
“But Henry today labelled criticism of Deans as wide of the mark and backed the former All Black’s call not to throw key members of the Super Rugby-winning Queensland Reds side straight back into the test arena.
“Robbie has got a bit of stick by the media which I think is questionable stick,” said Henry when questioned on the match’s repercussions for international rugby.
“Like, how does he play those Reds players? Throw them out there again, kill them? Or be pragmatic? He was hoping he’d do the business without those Reds players, and it didn’t happen that way.
“So he gets a lot of stick for making the right decision. It’s easy to sit back here and criticise him. We don’t have to do the job. So I’ve got some sympathy for him. “
July 18th 2011 @ 8:20am
stillmissit said | July 18th 2011 @ 8:20am | Report comment
We have a huge catch cry that kills Australian Rugby at all levels and it is “Don’t Over Commit” in the breakdown, which in turn is interpreted by the players to be “Don’t Commit” to the breakdown; then we have forwards standing around in the backline convincing themselves they are doing a great job, whilst the ‘real forwards’ in this case Samoa were killing us.
This get out of jail without any work card has to be deleted from all forward coaching talks at all levels immediately.