Turning the pressure up on Melbourne ahead of Derby
By Davidde Corran, 20 Oct 2011 Davidde Corran is a Roar Expert
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This week is all about Melbourne. With the A-League’s only intra-city derby on the horizon, the self-proclaimed centre of the sporting world is currently the focus of the Australian football public’s attention.
However, with both Heart and Victory gripped by mini crises of confidence, it’s not just the weekend’s high profile fixture that is drawing curious glances from across the country.
While both have underachieved in their first two games of the new season, for Victory, responsibility seems to have been placed almost squarely upon the shoulders of Mehmet Durakovic.
What a challenge for such an inexperienced coach, but equally it remains a fantastic opportunity.
Durakovic’s tactics against Adelaide last Friday have been questioned roundly, and that’s not unreasonable. However he must trust his judgement and not fall into the trap of self-doubt.
Even before the season it was inevitable that this type of pressure would fall upon everyone at the Victory. Harry Kewell’s signing painted a big target on the club and it’s one weighed down with astronomical expectation.
Yet in my opinion the biggest troubles in Melbourne lie across town in Bundoora where Heart still seem to be finding their feet over 12 months after the club played its first competitive game.
Last season there was little pressure put on the A-League new boys for their debut campaign. It was a case of “lets just see how they go”.
Well we did see, and they went poorly.
So a crucial second season has now begun. After two losses, and controversy off the field with the replacement of Simon Colosimo as captain, there is some unease at the club.
I suspect the issue is one of comfort. Ever since criticism from outside the club was tempered last season, expectations have been a bit too nice for everyone at Heart, both on and off the pitch.
What makes this a genuine problem however is Heart are up against the A-League’s most successful club in Victory, who have had a five-year head start in winning the hearts and minds of Victorians.
To make up this difference, a touch of ruthlessness, not just passion and good ideas, is needed.
Striker David Williams probably didn’t realise how accurate he was being on Tuesday when he said the players are “too friendly” at the Heart.
To borrow from seminal electronica duo Daft Punk, could a bit of “harder, better, faster, stronger” help put the red and white half of Melbourne back on track?
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October 20th 2011 @ 4:45am
Axelv said | October 20th 2011 @ 4:45am | Report comment
The article is all wrong,
There’s only 1 team in Melbourne!
I can’t wait to go to the game this weekend, hopefully it will be a crowd of 35,000+ with an atmosphere at least as good as the last. If the Victory can’t score against Heart, they’ll never score. All the other games will be amazing to watch on TV as well, can’t wait to see how the A-League shapes up.
October 20th 2011 @ 7:18am
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 20th 2011 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Given the apparent fickle nature of many football fans, who seem to have memories that only last a week, whoever wins this game will be lauded as strongly as they are currently derided.
Sure, it’s a Derby and a win provides bragging rights amongst peers; the need to win and pressure is no different to any of the other 13 matches MVFC plays at home.
So far we’ve achieved 1 point at home and, according to my calculations, the team winning the League this year will require 59+ points (72%):
* HOME: 31+ points from possible 39 points = 79%
* AWAY: 28+ points from possible 42 points = 67%
So, maximum points from every home game is vital and, given the highest-profile Aussie footballer plays for MVFC, the pressure will be intense every single week.
October 20th 2011 @ 7:31am
Midfielder said | October 20th 2011 @ 7:31am | Report comment
Guns to the left
Guns to the right
Guns in Front
Into the valley of death rode the six hundred….
Hope I got the above somewhat close
Well well well No Heart V No Brains from and those strange bogan folk south of the boarder are getting emotional ..
The F3 derby now there is a classic with the travelling intelligent fans facing those no teeth knuckles dragging on the ground barely understandable folk … this is the true weekend derby…
October 20th 2011 @ 11:12am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Careful Mid, wouldn’t want any misunderstandings about where you are told to park your caravan…
October 20th 2011 @ 11:15am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:15am | Report comment
What ever you do just don’t park it here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050762/Dale-Farm-eviction-Protesters-torch-caravan-riot-police-wield-axes.html
I f**ken hate Pikeys;)
October 20th 2011 @ 11:43am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Ha!
Fuss, let us know if VicPol are carrying axes at the game will you…
October 20th 2011 @ 11:47am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:47am | Report comment
I thought Newy fans called the Mariners the Gyppos? Or am I comlpetely off the mark;)
October 20th 2011 @ 11:49am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:49am | Report comment
That’s one of the more kinder names…
October 20th 2011 @ 11:17am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Did I see a picture in a News very Limited paper where Newy adverttised the F3 game with the slogan, the difference is WE have won a championship! ? would love it if someone could upload a pic:)
October 20th 2011 @ 11:27am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Don’t know about the News Ltd paper, but there is this:
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/newcastlejets/videos/all/F3-Derby-Jets-v-Mariners—Round-3-TVC/3457/1
October 20th 2011 @ 11:32am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:32am | Report comment
That’s the one, there is a similar one for the ‘rivalry’ game between AUFC and SFC in today’s Advertiser, first page of the sport section:)
” Welcome to the city of Churches Sydney…now start praying!”
getting past the hackneyed phrase ‘ City of Churches’ , it is always good to see asdvertising in the MSM for upcomming HAL games:)
October 20th 2011 @ 12:27pm
phutbol said | October 20th 2011 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Love it
October 20th 2011 @ 12:01pm
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
This is now being advertised:
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/292094_305707006109842_207259542621256_1381801_2070661089_n.jpg
October 20th 2011 @ 1:07pm
Axelv said | October 20th 2011 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
And the difference is also, that Mariners have won a premiership! And were the best team of that season.
October 20th 2011 @ 1:35pm
nordozzz said | October 20th 2011 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
ah yes ‘grand finals’ lol … barely even a poor man’s Cup title let alone the League Premiership!
October 20th 2011 @ 8:11am
agga78 said | October 20th 2011 @ 8:11am | Report comment
The Melbourne derby has the best atmosphere in Australian sport, the singing the colour it is fantastic, all 3 matches last season were epic and the tribalism we all crave for football out here was their for all too see.
On the managers both have had plenty of time too pick their squads regardless of whether Kewell had signed for either of them or not, for Victory to not have signed a qaulity centre half, left and right back and defensive midfielder in the 7 months from last season is a disgrace and will cost us the title. Mem looks out of ideas already and his uneven squad will continue to hurt his management throughout the season.
JVS at Heart has no excuses either, he has also had 7 months to find qaulity for his back four where he has a striker playing left back and a midfielder at centre half and the fact Heart have leaked 5 goals already is purely down to JVS and his lack of signings at the back. Heart midfield and striking options are ok and they have the ability to score goals, but they have by far the worst defence in the league and you would think a guy like JVS with his experience would of fixed one of his major problems form last season and yet his defence is much worse than last season.
Bring on the derby Melbourne town will be painted blue on Saturday night as the Victory boys put the sword into the heart 4-1 to Victory.
October 20th 2011 @ 8:36am
Australian Rules said | October 20th 2011 @ 8:36am | Report comment
If not already one of the best rivalries in Australian sport (still in its infancy) it is certainly one of the best atmospheres for any derby in Australia for its sheer noise, colour and energy.
Crowds like this are what the sport desperately needs.
October 20th 2011 @ 10:29am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 10:29am | Report comment
AR I agree. One of the axioms we as football fans hold to be true is that our atmosphere is a unique callling card of the game(not the existance of it – just the way it is generated and manifest in a football crowd) so if anyone out there in Mebourne was thinking about taking a “I only care about the EPL and Arsenal/Spurs/ WestHam – type” to a live game to show them the benefit of supporting the local league then surely this would be the game you’d take them to, because first impressions count. My second choice were I a Melbourne-ite would be the visit of fierce rivals Adelaide United, as the Reds always bring a sizeable continget of away fans the 700km down the Dukes Hwy. So if like me, you’re a bit of a missionary when it comes to spreading the HALfootball word, then these derbies and hopefully one day the Sydney Derby are a God-send. In fact given the geographical Point of difference between SFC and a WS team, I dare say that the SFC/WS rivalry will soon jump to no1 with a bullet on the list of Australia’s best sporting rivalries when it gets a chance to exist.
I’ll be setting the IQ so I don’t have to travel at ludicrous speeds to get home from Hindmarsh to watch this game. Just have to avoid the iPhone FB/twitter updates and I can watch it ‘live’
Last year was a sumptuous feast of good, fast football and the occasional ‘volatile incident!, I can only imagine how much the Melbourne Derby will improve when its had 30 years to build the rivalry and really carve out a ‘must-see’ spot in Melbourne’s sporting calendar:)
October 20th 2011 @ 1:28pm
Stevo said | October 20th 2011 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
“I dare say that the SFC/WS rivalry will soon jump to no1 with a bullet on the list of Australia’s best sporting rivalries when it gets a chance to exist.”
Based on Johnno’s and a few other contributions to this forum, the anti-A-league/Hakoah/SFC people would surely come along to the fixture in droves!!! Wouldn’ they?
October 20th 2011 @ 3:50pm
Australian Rules said | October 20th 2011 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
If Victory are competitive toward the end of the year, I’d bet that the heady crowds of 50,000+ will return to the blockbuster games at Etihad (for Melb vs Adel, Syd, Bris and Melb Hrt).
Also, I’m sure the dream is to create a fierce Sydney derby within the HAL as well…and yes, GWS is a no-brainer for the second team.
Unfortunately, the fickle Sydney fans wouldn’t be convincing the FFA that they could handle/deserve a 2nd team quite yet.
October 20th 2011 @ 11:26pm
Titus said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:26pm | Report comment
I think this would indeed be a good rivalry considering WS doesn’t even have a team yet and the rivalry is already pretty strong.
October 20th 2011 @ 10:19am
jmac said | October 20th 2011 @ 10:19am | Report comment
firstly, mehm can hardly go on the field himself and finish the easy chances that have been created. had those been tucked away, all of a sudden MV are on 6 points and mehm is a genius. but this is the nature of things…
second, the back half of his team is functioning 400% better than the rabble he inherited after that humiliation in R1 of the ACL. give him some credit for this, at least.
incremental steps are a more realistic expectation for MV. they should be able to take one this week, you would think.
October 20th 2011 @ 10:23am
TomC said | October 20th 2011 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Good article, Davidde.
I particularly agree that both teams are experiencing mini crises of confidence. Both disappointed last season by their own standards, and neither seem to have shed their weaknesses from that season. The Victory still look static, slow, and tactically deficient. The Heart still look fragile at the back and ineffective up forward.
The loser is likely to cop a pounding from the local football media. The winner will get some respite for at least a week. If it’s a draw, particularly a scoreless draw, they’ll both be in the gun.
October 20th 2011 @ 10:37am
JrodMac92 said | October 20th 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Damn i wish i didnt have a 21st in warragul….:(
Hopefully Victory can stick to their guns though and not score any goals
October 20th 2011 @ 11:23am
Football United said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:23am | Report comment
skipping my sister’s 30th for this. priorities mate, priorities…….
October 20th 2011 @ 11:32am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Got a mate and family friend in country first time in 7 years, but not that interested in football, so am looking to palm off my members cards to friends for the F3 Derby.
Do I:
a) Stick to plan and palm off the cards
b) Bring him along, kicking and screaming
c) Leave him at home alone for a few hours while I watch the Mariners get a football thrashing
It had to be the F3 Derby he arrived. I suppose I should blame the FFA for their schedule
October 20th 2011 @ 11:34am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Take him along silly. At worst its a day outside with a few beers and your mate, at best its an amazing experience he’ll rave about to others.
October 20th 2011 @ 11:40am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:40am | Report comment
I have already emailed him to see. He doesn’t have much time to see the family. Although I did mention that ‘we’ could pick up a couple of shirts for his football mad boys back home…
…no reply yet.
October 20th 2011 @ 4:36pm
Michael said | October 20th 2011 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
Give ‘em to me Griffo!
October 20th 2011 @ 9:51pm
Midfielder said | October 20th 2011 @ 9:51pm | Report comment
Griffo
Yellow and navy I assume…
October 20th 2011 @ 11:38am
Griffo said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:38am | Report comment
The Melbourne Derby will be good to watch to see how both teams rise to the occasion after poor starts.
But once the game is over, there will be other games to see.
I’m tipping a Victory win: Mehmet will put players into preferred positions and realise he can’t fit his half-dozen strikers into a single shirt for his starting ’11′.
October 20th 2011 @ 11:41am
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:41am | Report comment
realise he can’t fit his half-dozen strikers into a “single shirt” for his starting ’11′.
Unless that single shirt belongs to Carlos ‘KFC Family Feast’ Hernandez of course!
October 20th 2011 @ 12:04pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 20th 2011 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Hey Kasey
Here are some video snippets of the guy, who has always allegedly been “too fat and too slow”. Apart from H, Carlos is the next player I would have in my squad if I had to choose from every player in the HAL.
Pretty sure Carlos’s dismembering of AUFC in a Final at Hindmarsh led Aurelio to label Adelaide – the town and the club – as “pissants”.
Enjoy the maestro – el zorro (he didn’t even win the Johnny Warren medal for the season highlighted in this video)
October 20th 2011 @ 12:45pm
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Alas I am at work, where youtube is blocked, but I’ll take yuor word for it.
Would you rather have KFC Family Feast or Marcos Flores in your team?
An interesting point was raised on last night’s WeAreTheReds podcast…would Ruini have recruited so aggressively if the club had been able to hold on to Flores? Imagine the selection headache of trying to fit in Vidosic and Flores to the same team? I wonder if theycould have found a way to play together as they both like to play the creative #10 role.
At the tail end of last season, United lost Fyfe to Busan I’Park and thsat created a hole in our back third hat was never adequately filled, at least until the arrival of McKain and Susak. We plugged the hole in our back third, but I don’t think MV have adequately compensated for the retirement of the talismanic Musc*nt.
I’m not ready to write off MVs season just yet, only 2 games in, but unless an improvement is shown this weekend I don’t think I’ll be the only one qiestiong just what is going on in the Blue 2/3s of Melbourne town?
October 20th 2011 @ 12:53pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 20th 2011 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Carlos definitely before Flores – but, then, I reckon I’ve seen Carlos play (live) around 50 games; I saw Flores play twice and, from memory, he wasn’t that influential – spent an awful lot of time rolling around on the ground.
Carlos gets kicked every minute he’s with the ball, but he never loses his feet.
Carlos also has proven himself to be far better at dead ball situations than Flores and set-pieces – corners and free kick assists.
October 20th 2011 @ 1:03pm
Kasey said | October 20th 2011 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
That’s fine, your opinion is based on your observations. I think we’d agree though that the playmakers in our league deserve moe protection than they currently seem to receive. Nobdy likes to see the players the fans pay their hard-earned to be entertained by hacked at, shirt-grabbed, etc. World football lost a great talent in Marco van Basten much too early thanks to some cynical Italian defensive tactics in the late 80s that left him crocked.
One can only hope the appointment of Mark Shield as FFA Referrees co-ordinator will help lift the general standard of the whistle blowers in the HAL. We accept that the standard of play has increased every season since the inaugural season. I would suggest that the refereeing hasn’t necessarily improved in line with the players. For our league to continue to improve, it needs to adress this issue I believe. Its too easy for footbal illiterate people to take umbrage with poor refereeing in football as the low scoring nature places higher emphasis/importance on the goals that ARE scored. Poor refereeing plays to well developed stereotypes that cheating(diving ec) is unfairly rewarded in our game:(
October 20th 2011 @ 3:53pm
Australian Rules said | October 20th 2011 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
Carlos every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Comfortably the best player so far in A-League history.
October 20th 2011 @ 4:37pm
punter said | October 20th 2011 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
I rate Broich ahead of Carlos. Not a Brisbane fan either.
October 20th 2011 @ 9:50pm
Midfielder said | October 20th 2011 @ 9:50pm | Report comment
Fuss … mate its time to stop taking those dark blue pills … Carlos before Flores … maatteeie..
October 20th 2011 @ 11:49am
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:49am | Report comment
NOTE to Editors: Surely you have a more appropriate photo for a Melbourne Derby than a bunch of Celtic fans – albeit one MVFC fan in their midst?