Right and proper end to 2011 Rugby World Cup
By Brett McKay, 25 Oct 2011 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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And that, as they say, is that. New Zealand has won a thoroughly deserved second Rugby World Cup in Auckland, beating a spirited and gallant France, 8-7.
I’m not expecting many comments from my New Zealand readers today. Indeed, they are well excused for still partying like it’s 1987. In what’s been a tough year for their country, it’s time to allow the Kiwis their time in the sun.
And since they’re not reading, I might first indulge a few pars about the Wallabies breaking their Eden Park drought; a hard-fought 21-18 win in the Bronze playoff over Wales.
All in all, this was a bit of a letdown as a game. Even though I had forecast late last week that it might be a tight and torrid affair, and that the Wallabies might be facing their toughest match yet, it just never reached any great heights as a contest.
The first twenty minutes were decent enough, and the Wallabies opened with a well-worked try for Berrick Barnes. But the twenty minutes either side of halftime were très ordinaire at best. This period also unfortunately claimed Quade Cooper, whose serious knee injury capped off what must have been a tough campaign in his homeland.
Thankfully, the final twenty minutes made up for the previous sixty. Wales’ try after the bell might well have been the team try of the tournament, a 32-phase movement that started near their own 22m line. Happily, by that stage, Barnes had already sewn up both the result and the Man of the Match hamper (or whatever it is MotMs win).
Yes, Shane Williams’ foot probably was in row C in the lead-up to the last try of the game, but honestly, it doesn’t really matter. If we were happy for the players to be a bit lax in this game, then it’s only fair that we can’t go hard on the officials as well.
Cooper’s injury was a horrible sight – knees buckling in ways they’re not designed to rarely make for comfortable viewing – but his absence from the Spring tour in a few weeks gives Robbie Deans the chance to try yet more combinations.
Barnes has to be a death-and-taxes certainty now for the no.10 jumper. That much we can probably all agree on. But I reckon James O’Connor showed enough in the midfield to suggest that he perhaps should be given a run in London and Cardiff at inside centre. He’s played well over thirty Tests now, and it must be getting near time to throw some more responsibility on his vitamin-boosted shoulders. Let’s see if he doesn’t get tired or stressed in a high-pressure position.
Interestingly, this could be the beginning of a budding rivalry between two teams on the up, too. Both teams have young exciting players in the backline and some imposing young punks in the forwards too. The thought of Pocock v Warburton over the next few years is mouth-watering alone.
Friday night’s game was the first of five within eight months, and by the time RWC2015 rolls on in England, these two teams could well be toward the top of the rugby tree. Stay tuned, I suspect.
Of course, the main event of the weekend, in fact the main event of the last four years of international rugby, was what played out on Sunday night.
From the outset, this was always going to be a night to remember. Both sides belted out their respective anthems, but the early highlight of the night would come just moments later.
When France lined up in their arrow formation to face off against the All Blacks’ Kapo O Panga, you certainly hoped something more was to come of it. And boy, didn’t it!
Advancing not just beyond their sterile IRB-legislated don’t-dare-offend-anyone 10m line no-go zone, the French moved as one arm-in-arm just into New Zealand territory, and stared down the haka in a manner not seen since Wales’ brilliant standoff in Cardiff years ago.
This was an important statement from France: we’re here on your turf to take what you think is yours.
And how close they nearly came to doing it. Though the All Blacks’ defence would stand up and repel the constant barrage of French attacking waves, Les Bleus can be proud of their part in one of the games of the tournament.
From the opening whistle, it was obvious France wanted to play the same way they faced the haka: in the All Blacks’ faces. Maintaining both possession and their break-neck speed, it really looked as though the French really wanted to run New Zealand around.
Unfortunately, though, the opening salvo only lasted around fifteen minutes, where after a bungled French lineout and penalty saw the All Blacks make their first visit deep into attacking territory. The front and back of the lineout split in opposite directions, and suddenly Tony Woodcock found himself with the ball as the waters parted in front of him to the try line.
You felt that Woodcock’s try would be the start, but the French held on like they hadn’t before in the tournament. Players, stadium crowd, commentators, and the entire occupancy of my sports den seemed surprised that the score was still 5-0 at halftime.
Both teams were forced to go their bench early. The evident curse on No.10s over the last seven weeks had one last double dose to hand out, with both Morgan Parra and Aaron Cruden cruelly struck down before the break. Surprisingly, Graham Henry replaced Piri Weepu and Keven Mealamu not long into the second half, too.
Goal kicking was perhaps unsurprisingly off on such a high-pressure night, and so it really was a special kind of irony that Stephen Donald – of all people – would kick what would be the winning penalty goal. I can’t imagine he was thinking of that scenario when fishing on the Waikato a fortnight ago. But good luck to him, either way.
France produced a game against New Zealand that perhaps only France could; a spectacular kind of flawed brilliance only the most erratic of teams are capable of.
The stats will support a decent argument that perhaps the best team lost on the night, too, but then there isn’t a stat for Les Bleus’ abundant enterprise and flair. Nor is there one for the All Blacks’ resilience and ability to withstand what plenty of other teams at the tournament would succumb to.
No matter how wide France threw it, and often it was sideline to sideline and back, the All Blacks were there to cover it. New Zealand’s fortified consistency over the last however many years got them home.
This was a triumph for the hours upon months upon years spent honing their defensive patterns, where everyone knows their role within the garrison, and how to execute it to perfection. Steve Hanson very deservedly got the bulk of praise within the New Zealand coaches’ box as Craig Joubert blew time on the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
On fulltime, Richie McCaw was an exhausted, yet obviously proud captain. Likewise, Coach Henry’s upside down smile has possibly never been bigger. It both cases, it was highly justified.
The All Blacks will undergo something of a generational change in the coming years, with both coaches and some key players moving on. Other players may not make it to England in four years time for varying reasons. But one thing you can be assured of is that whoever comes into those places vacated will be just as good, and the All Blacks juggernaut will roll on.
As much as I willed France on to spring an upset on the night, I was happily satisfied that New Zealand lifted the quadrennial symbol to confirm what the rugby world has known for years.
It was just the right and proper end to what has truly been a memorable Rugby World Cup.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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October 25th 2011 @ 6:18am
mcxd said | October 25th 2011 @ 6:18am | Report comment
At the start of the game i found myself whole heartedly supporting the French, shaking my head at every referee decision (or non-decision in some cases). Why ? I don’t know maybe because all the rubbish ive got from my kiwi mates over the years and the deplorable treatment of our young aussie Quade (bow your head in shame kiwis
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However, as half time commenced I realised..the horror, the horror. The French might actually win this one ! The thought of super angry and grumpy kiwis for another 4 years was way too much to bear. But most of all I would feel for the the ABs players themselves. I might be a Wallaby fan but im also a rugby fan as well. I admit, as players I really like the ABs, even that McCaw fellow.
In the final 5 mins, I was waiting for Joubert to blow his whistle giving a penalty the the French in kicking range (would he have the b..ls?, he certainly would have required a police escort from the country let alone the ground). The thought of that had me shaking. So when the final whistle did go, yes i did jump for joy. They say that the RWC is to be earnt but even before the final who in their right mind could say that the AB’s hadn’t earnt it.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:08am
Sam Taulelei said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:08am | Report comment
During the second half I sensed the game was slipping away from us and I was steeling myself for the inevitable mistake, penalty, drop kick, missed tackle, intercept try or missed forward pass to give France the winning score.
Then there was a long injury break to McCaw and he clearly looked rattled but then he got up, took up his position at the scrum and the look on his face said it all to me. Not this time, not on my watch.
There are allegations emerging in the aftermath of the game of foul play from the French against McCaw, two blatant stomps on his right foot by Yachvilli when McCaw was at the bottom of a ruck and the aforementioned injury break which was a result of an attempted eye gouge.
I’m sure this will dominate blog sites and online conversations for days which is a shame as France were gallant and pushed the All Blacks harder at Eden Park harder than any side since France in 2004. However if these allegations are true, it does show the ugly side of the French game that they unfortunately have earned a reputation for.
I normally remove myself from any conversations about the referee as I’m old fashioned in my belief that you just accept on the chin any decisions that go against you even if they are blatantly incorrect. However I’m surprised at the level of criticism from international media at Craig Joubert for robbing France as these were the same press corps that were strident in their support of Wayne Barnes four years ago at Cardiff and highly critical of NZ’s failings despite countless infringements by the French.
I believe in forgive but never forget and maybe the All Blacks victory is karma for that match.
The French definitely played better than us for the majority of the game, we saved our worst performance of the tournament for the most important game but just held on long enough. Not the type of style we expected from the All Blacks but it’s good enough for me and 4.2 million other Kiwis still celebrating.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:57am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Sam, there must be a part of you that’s actually enjoying this win more because of it’s tightness, though? You’re quite right about it it not being the preferred style of win, but I think that only adds to what will be ultimately remembered as a legendary win (and I know ‘legendary’ gets thrown around way too loosely these days).
From an outsiders perspective, I’m certainly happier about the final result being so close, rather than a blowout..
October 25th 2011 @ 9:14am
Sam Taulelei said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Yes I am Brett, yes I am.
I knew the French would be well up for this game and stated so in your column last week previewing the final. Loved the French response to the haka, it added to the drama and theatre of the occasion.
I feel for Julian Bonnaire, unable to swap jerseys with McCaw on two occasions, but completely understandable given the significance of the two games they’ve met, McCaw’s 100th test and the final.
The coming days and weeks will be such an emotional lull after the excitement of the last six weeks, what a fantastic world cup. The English public have big shoes to fill after the reception visiting teams received up and down the country.
October 25th 2011 @ 4:32pm
Krash said | October 25th 2011 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Don’t think the English public will come anywhere near matching the reception given by the Kiwis. Rugby just doesn’t occupy the same place in their hearts and minds as it does for New Zealanders. That said though, I hope they prove me wrong
October 25th 2011 @ 12:15pm
Wal the Hooker said | October 25th 2011 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Gidday Brett, the head’s still hazy and heavy. Boy what a game, I think my heart stopped about 5 times in the last 15 mins! Hats off to France a super effort to push the AB’s to the limit and I mean limit, our boys had nothing left in the tank but heart and guts to defend so staunchly. Dusatoir was inspirational and great all night, and McCaw was just everywhere I’ve never seen him so “shagged” after a game. I can’t believe the amount of criticism Joubert is copping? And agree with Sam after 2007 perhaps this was justice, however I thought none of Joubert’s decisions or non decisions was a game breaker.
As Horan said after match, he thought Joubert was great, he let the game flow it was just the pressure from both sides that produced such a nail biting game. For mine to lose Carter, lose Slade and then Cruden was just unbelievable, and yet the AB camp managed to show great character and resolve to get home. And it’s somewhat interesting the critics have forgotten all this. Considering what this team has gone through to win it it’s just amazing. Could it be the greatest WC victory thus far? The stuff of legends…I’m so stoked! I’m so stoked for NZ, McCaw, Henry and the ABs, my AUS partner boiled her eyes out god bless her! Come the Bledisloe she’ll be screaming for her WB’s. God bless rugby, God bless NZ… Thanks again for another good article Brett always enjoyable
And a lovely story to sign off… Enjoy the summer gents
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10761480
October 25th 2011 @ 1:10pm
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Good on ya Wal!! Hangovers earnt in victory are the best kind…
Enjoyed that Peter Bills article too, seems to echo most travelers tales of their time in NZ during the Cup…
October 25th 2011 @ 8:17am
katzilla said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Still a bit worse for wear this morning Brett, but heading out today for some Lunch and a few.
(2 weeks Annual Leave booked around Semi-finals time)
I’m glad France showed up and decided that they would throw everything at it. What strikes me as bizarre is how they play one game plan of tight kick infested rugby through most of the tournament then change it all up in the final and somehow pull it off.
Parra going down injured was probably a good thing for the French, Trinh-Duc was decisive in his running game and almost put the All Blacks away on a couple of occasions.
I would have preferred the ‘No Heart Attack’ scoreline but it was what it was and im now happy it worked out that way, France definitely deserved more credit then people were giving them.
Relieved to see McCaw get to hold the cup up, it would have been criminal for who will probably be remembered as our greatest ever captain to not win the greatest prize.
Congratulations also to Samo on his try of the year, it was a good one for sure and probably facilitated his further forays on the wing in the cup.
And Lastly congratulations to Dusatoir on IRB player of the year, probably just pipped Kaino in the final after Kaino had a relatively quiet night, but fully deserved. One of the best ‘Lead from the front’ Captains we’ll ever see.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:47am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
well played Katz, and long may the celebrations continue. The parade in Auckland was impressive yesterday, but I’m tipping Christchurch might really turn it on today. And so they should.
I reckon you’re right too, with your “it was what it was” comment, and I suppose that’s also been a contributing factor in the length of parties. Had NZ got up by 15+ as most (including me) expected, would you be still going??
October 25th 2011 @ 9:15am
katzilla said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Im not sure lol.
The scoreline certainly contributed to the insane scenes at the Kings St Wharf Brewery where I was.
My partner would be disturbed if she had seen the amount of guys I hugged in that 30 minutes following the final whistle.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:39am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Have read this morning that the IRB in their wisdom have fined France £10,000 for the four players who crossed halfway during The Advance. Fair dinkum, they jump all over the big issues in the game…
October 25th 2011 @ 8:59am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Brett maybe they should fine Joubert for the most amazingly one sided refereeing performance in history?
And fine themselves for not citing Mccaw for the punch to Morgan Parra, not to mention the knee to the head which took out the dead-eyed goal-kicker?
This is not to take anything away from New Zealand as it doesn’t mean France would have won, and they are hardly to be blamed for the referees and IRB.
However that was a despicable performance to cap a RWC of abominable refereeing.
Great for New Zealand to win and a fitting celebration of years of wonderful rugby and being the best team in the world.
It doesn’t matter how they won, but that they won. World Cup victories have never been pretty.
A deserved victory.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:12am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:12am | Report comment
KPM, Joubert refereed the game quite well, I believe, and more importantly, quite evenly. Yes, NZ got away with a bit at the breakdown, but France did too. I’m not into bagging refs and I’m not about to start now, especially when it’s not really warranted.
And I’ve seen you floating this theory of McCaw’s premeditated thuggery on another thread, and I’ve got to say I agree with the resulting comments there too. I saw Parra getting an accidental knee to the head, sure, but I don’t recall any punch nor in any intent from McCaw toward Parra (much as you can see intent in video). I don’t even think he had eyes on Parra, he was cleaning out one of the French forwards from memory..
October 25th 2011 @ 9:36am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Well we probably won’t agree with it on this: I’ve read masses of reviews of the game and the majority of them are amazed by his refereeing: in fact I watched it with English commentary and Lawrence Dallaglio said he simply couldn’t understand how Joubert could give not only every 50/50 call to NZ, but amazing decisions against them. However, every match report at least non-antipodean one says the same. Just an example from the Independent:
‘If France were aggrieved at losing Parra, they had even more reason to spit tacks at the refereeing of the South African official, Craig Joubert, whose decision-making in the first half was laughably one-sided. Both Dusautoir and his coach, Lièvremont, kept their counsel afterwards – “I told Joubert in the week that he was the best referee in the world, and that whatever happened in the final, I would not criticise him,” said the latter, pointedly – but there was no doubting their frustration. One of his scrum calls against the strong-scrummaging prop Jean-Baptiste Poux was hilarious. Or rather, it would have been had it not cost the French a hard-earned attacking position.’
I could quote dozens of such things.
As for the Mccaw punch rewatch the video carefully. It happened. I also wonder how accidental any knee in a final from someone as careful as Mccaw on the dead-eyed goal-kicker would be.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:43am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Be that as it may, KPM, I hardly noticed Joubert generally speaking, and that’s all I hope for from refs. So you’re right, we won’t agree on this. And to be honest, I don’t really care about it becuase it didn’t change the game as a spectacle. This Final deserves to be all about the players.
Post a video then, and point out where the punch happened. I’ll check it out tonight..
October 25th 2011 @ 9:53am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:53am | Report comment
I wouldn’t know where to find a video.
Anyway, seeing as the vast majority of journalists and commentators were astounded by his performance, I think most neutrals are willing to recognise how bad it was.
In fact to be honest on my part it was an outrage.
I think New Zealand would probably have preferred to win without the Joubert issue distracting attention too.
There’s a difference between saying ‘the referee stole the game’ and ‘the referee was abd but didn’t steal the game’.
I think they fully deserved to win, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend the referee was fine and ignore what he did.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:57am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Why can’t a neutral just see it as a referee handling the occasion well and focus on the game instead?? Let me answer that for you: I can, and will…
October 25th 2011 @ 10:09am
thurl said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:09am | Report comment
KPM, when have most commentators and journalists been neutral…particularly those of the Northern hemisphere whom you describe in another thread as always talking up the Northern sides….
October 25th 2011 @ 10:21am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:21am | Report comment
another neutral view without mention the ref: the BBCs Tom Fordyce and his refections on the Final: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/10/perfect_symmetry_of_all_blacks.html
October 25th 2011 @ 10:22am
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Parra
However, to those thinking NZ got all the 50/50 calls –
Rougerie is arguably offside as he never joins the ruck and kicks the ball out.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:27am
AussieKiwi said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Great article by Fordyce. Its interesting how the only people who are vocal about the referreeing are the French (understandable) and some Australians.
October 25th 2011 @ 6:51pm
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
Jerry, thanks for posting those video links..
KPM, you need to re-watch the Parra “punch”. Yes, McCaw hits him with a closed fist before the knee also makes contact, but it was almost certainly accidental. You can see that the fist is closed, but rather than the contact being with the knuckled in the fist, it’s actually the folded forefinger and thumb – the fist is at the angle that it’s obvious McCaw is bracing to tackle/clean out Dusatoir.
And as I also mentioned above, McCaw only has eyes for Dusatoir too, Parra unfotunately is just in the wrong place at the wrong time..
October 25th 2011 @ 12:23pm
Wal the Hooker said | October 25th 2011 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Here we go KPM zzzzzzzzzzzz, mate the players were the heros and the villains of an amazing spectacle that’s it. The ref had no bearing on the game a la a infamous forward pass in 2007, remember that one. Let’s just get on with it the score 8 NZ FR 7… good night
October 25th 2011 @ 10:18am
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
“And fine themselves for not citing Mccaw for the punch to Morgan Parra, not to mention the knee to the head which took out the dead-eyed goal-kicker?”
Are you serious? Entirely accidental and in case you didn’t notice, Parra had a very large bump on the other side of his head courtesy of Nonu’s leg in the tackle attempt immediately prior. That’s what took him out of the game.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:42am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
It’s all part of the game it would seem. Doubtless some French should be cited too.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:57pm
Charles Plowdog said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:57pm | Report comment
Well of course Cooper knees McCaw and its deliberate and he becomes public enemy number one. Mccaw knees Parra and it’s just an accident!
October 25th 2011 @ 4:38pm
Krash said | October 25th 2011 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
McCaw did not punch Parra, KPM. I’ve replayed it three times and I’m sure there wasn’t any intent. It really was just a trailing arm. Gotta say though, if ever testimony was needed of the raw power of Ma’a Nonu, Morgan Parra’s battered face after the game provided just that
October 25th 2011 @ 8:28pm
ScotandProud said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:28pm | Report comment
It might be worth looking at later replays of McCaw getting attention after Dusatoir clearly stamped on his ribs at a ruck then dropped a knee. Probably worse than anything that happened to Parra.
I don’t like foul play. I do understand Dusautoir’s frustration at McCaw et al cheating All Day Long and the ref letting them get away with it.
Good game. ABs deserved to win tournament but Joubert had a shocker. Not a missed forward pass shocker. Not a silly red card shocker. He reffed alot of things well but when it came to scrums, lineouts, high shots but Especially the breakdown he had a lowkey consistent one set of rules for the hosts another for the visitors 80 minute shocker.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:55am
Seiran said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Shockingly the IRB have fined the French $15000 for advancing on the precious Haka.
What a joke.
I thought a team was supposed to reply to a haka? Why should the French just have to stand there whilst the AB’s psych themselves, and their home fans up even more?
If anything it added to the tension of the final and added something that was needed for an opposing team going into such a huge test. They stepped over the line, SO WHAT? Brad Thorn steps over the line just about everytime he performs the Haka. Why hasn’t he been fined everytime he has done this?
Advancing on the Haka made a statement. The French were not there to play tiddlywinks. They were there to win the cup and they weren’t going to let the AB’s waltz through the test like many of the supporters had suggested by writing the French off.
I hope the French dig in their heals and refuse to pay up. If the AB’s, and the pacific nations, can perform their little routine before a test then so should all the other teams be able to reply as they seem fit.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:03am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Seiran, just to clarify, the £10,000 fine isn’t actually for advancing, rather it’s for four instances of players crossing the halfway line (£2500 each). Though the IRB overlords want teams to remain on their side of their 10m line normally for hakas and war dances, for the RWC they allowed the opposition to stand on halfway. Four French players went beyond halfway, and thus the fine.
Now someone with more time than me will have to check the tape, but I’ve got a recollection that at least two ABs – and I think it was Ali Williams and Richard Kahui on the front corners – advanced beyond their 10m line. If this is the case, surely there has to be some consistency here…
October 25th 2011 @ 9:15am
ohtani's jacket said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Considering the huge bonus the French players got simply for making the final, I suspect they didn’t give a flying hori about the IRB fine.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
OJ, the RWC organisers should pay it for them – it was the highlight of the pre-game entertainment…
October 25th 2011 @ 12:36pm
Wal the Hooker said | October 25th 2011 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Totally agree Brett! This is a shame as I kiwi I applauded France’s advance and accepting the challenge as did Jerome Kaino after the match. This is disgraceful!
October 25th 2011 @ 10:21am
Capital said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Appreciate the cultural significance of the haka, however I believe that teams should be able to respond, even if that means advancing or imposing themselves within 10m of the challlenge.
And I thought the french response was oustanding
October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am
katzilla said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
The sad thing about the IRB doing this is that it gives yet another vehicle for the Anti-Haka brigade to spout their views all over the papers.
Not 1 Kiwi would have complained about what the French did, and I for one loved it.
Its the Drama before the feast.
Yet the IRB have taken it upon themselves to be the Guardians of the Haka and have in turn opened it up for more ridicule from the haters.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:36am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:36am | Report comment
katzilla, my best mate is a proud Kiwi, and I can confirm that he loved the French advancing on the haka. He thought it was great for the spectacle and the game. And he’s as one-eyed and passionate a Kiwi as I’ve ever come across.
October 25th 2011 @ 3:47pm
katzilla said | October 25th 2011 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
And that view is shared by most Ryan.
I just don’t get it. Maybe the IRB is getting back at us for causing that stir during the WC about not competing in the next one.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:24am
thurl said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:24am | Report comment
I think its a bit pathetic on the IRBs part. Maybe a reminder all round would be the fairest result. The French advance set the scene for the game and I don’t think they should be fined for it. I see that Darren Shand in the paper not wanting the French fined as well
October 25th 2011 @ 10:08am
AussieKiwi said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:08am | Report comment
I thought it was an exciting start to the game, and it set the tone for what followed. I thought the ABs would make the French pay (like they did when the WBs turned their backs), but it actually seemed to unnerve them a bit. Maybe because they sensed that the French actually meant it!
October 25th 2011 @ 10:12am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:12am | Report comment
thurl most northern hemisphere journalists writing in English are much more biased against France than anyone else, and were predicting cricket scores last week, claiming France were an embarrassement, New Zealand sublime, and that the latter had actually already won (without exaggeration).
If even these journalists thought the referee one-eyed, then it must be true.
‘Why can’t a neutral just see it as a referee handling the occasion well and focus on the game instead?? Let me answer that for you: I can, and will…’
I wasn’t referring to you when I said a ‘neutral’. You can see it how you want.
Most neutrals would see the referee performing terribly and I was speaking about them.
I don’t actually know whether you’re neutral or not.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:58am
thurl said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:58am | Report comment
The Nthern hemisphere journos wrote the french off as a ploy to fire them up. Even Stephen Jones the biggest Kiwi baiter of them all came on NZ TV and gave the ABss 40 points. That was when it became obvious. So no KPM, the british press are not neutral.
Do you really think they would cheer a Sthern hemisphere win. A northern win means that all is well with world rugby and the IRB can carry on in their own blinkered way
October 25th 2011 @ 9:03am
Tissot Time said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Thanks Brett. It has been wonderful to come home and be part of the occasion. I do not know how I will fill the rugby void and I look forward to the Super season. The unsolicited unconditional warmth and happiness when meeting people before and after the match will be a lasting memory. The once reserved emotionless society I remember has been beautifully jolted awake by the RWC.
Joy and euphoric happiness is difficult to explain in words and is truly an experiential phenomenon. It is something that I and my country have experienced these past few weeks and I genuinely hope others too can know this feeling in the future.
Into my hearts treasury I slipped a coin
That time cannot rust nor a thief purloin
Ah better than the minting of a gold crowned king
Is the safe kept memmory of a wonderful thing.
- Anon
October 25th 2011 @ 9:17am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Tissot, it was a shock to turn on Fox Sports 3 last night and not see rugby!! And I agree, it’s a long time until Super Rugby starts. I know there’s a couple of Tests at the end of next month, but still, we’ve all got used to this diet of two-three-fours games a day. AND NOW IT’S GONE!!
October 25th 2011 @ 3:48pm
chief said | October 25th 2011 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Brett,feel exactly the same – turn on Fox and no rugby!
October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am
ohtani's jacket said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
These angry French reactions are fantastic. Here’s my favourite:
“Another French fan said New Zealand “was given the cup by Craig Joubert!! Shame on Craig Joubert. Shame on you!!! Shame on the people in Hell Park of Auckland!!”
October 25th 2011 @ 9:35am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:35am | Report comment
it’s funny OJ, I’m sure I’ve read similar on The Roar in recent days…
October 25th 2011 @ 9:41am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:41am | Report comment
OJ if you weren’t a New Zealander you might be objective.
New Zealand deserved to win.
However the referee was a disgrace. This doesn’t mean France would have won at all, and the All Blacks deserved to win.
That’s the neutral point of view as you can read in dozens of match reviews outside New Zealand and France. It’s not denying for a moment that the All Blacks deserved to win: it’s simply pointing out that the referee was awful.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:36am
ohtani's jacket said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:36am | Report comment
The ref wasn’t as bad as Wayne Barnes in 2007.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:42am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Barnes was indeed awful and continues to be, as was Owens in SA-Samoa, Lawrence in the quarter final, Rolland in the semi-final and to cap it Joubert (Barnes was again bad in the third place play off and even earlier in one of the pool matches though I don’t remember which).
But it is true that Joubert was very bad.
October 25th 2011 @ 3:27pm
ohtani's jacket said | October 25th 2011 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Joubert reffed the way he always refs. I don’t think it came as much of a surprise to anyone who’s seen him ref All Blacks games during the past four years.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:31am
dc said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:31am | Report comment
The All Blacks dominated most of the first half.
France played like demons but could only score one opportunist try, from a Weepu mistake.
Of course they could throw it around from side to side, they had nothing to lose.
My count is that their backs got into our 22 once – from a wide Rougerie break.
So the better team won – and without Dan Carter!
October 25th 2011 @ 9:38am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:38am | Report comment
DC, I don’t know if ‘dominated’ is quite the word. And whatever momentum the ABs had going into the break very quickly disappeared shortly after. But still, they got there..
October 25th 2011 @ 10:24am
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:24am | Report comment
I’d say they dominated the first half – won the territory, possession, minutes in opp 22 and created far more scoring chances. If Weepu had his kicking boots on it could have been 13-0 (but I’m glad it wasn’t cause that was the halftime score in 07, I think).
October 25th 2011 @ 10:45am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Jerry I’m going to step in for Weepu here. His goal-kicking was terrible, but until that kick into Rougerie’s arms his kicking out of hand and game management was excellent.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:49am
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:49am | Report comment
I thought he was actually playing well too. Great ankle tap to shut down that break from Trinh-Duc and was instrumental in getting the attacking lineout that lead to the try.
Apparently he sustained an injury in the warmup (groin, of course) which may explain both his poor kicking and why he was hooked.
October 25th 2011 @ 11:03am
kingplaymaker said | October 25th 2011 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Jerry also he can hardly be blamed for missing the kicks: he’s not a regular kicker and probably never asked to take the kicks, and also apparently offered to give the kicks to Donald, rather than trying to carry on foolishly for his own sake.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:57am
Dan said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:57am | Report comment
France dominated the game statistically and their captain was rightly awarded MotM. To say the better team won is a little trite considering the All Blacks too only managed one “opportunist try” as well. At the end of the day both sides scored one try and kicked one goal – it was pure providence that the goal kicked by the All Blacks happened to be a more weighty penalty. Had either side managed to field a world class kicker their team would have won with at least a converted try buffer.
October 25th 2011 @ 11:01am
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 11:01am | Report comment
How is a set play from a lineout ‘opportunist’?
October 25th 2011 @ 9:02pm
Charles Plowdog said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:02pm | Report comment
the lineout came from a penalty awarded to the ABs for holding onto the ball when the French player was clearly not released by McCaw. In most instances the penalty would have been awarded to the French.
October 25th 2011 @ 9:10pm
Jerry said | October 25th 2011 @ 9:10pm | Report comment
Except the refs have been ruling that differently all tournament, and even more so in the knockout rounds.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:01am
frog said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:01am | Report comment
The better team lost ,how can you say this is good end ,they still choker of rugby world they protected by official ,the french got fined for standing up to native war dance even crazy ,france as allways play best rugby ,all blacks cant score trys like us impossible ,i hope the might of a huge country will punish them in future ,rugby is getting bigger in france big country big money we will rule this game crush puny nz forever
October 25th 2011 @ 10:24am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Frog, it’s nice to have what I assume is a French perspective, even one that evidently isn’t taking the narrow loss well..
October 25th 2011 @ 8:02pm
ScotandProud said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
Ha ha ha.
October 25th 2011 @ 10:16am
King of the Gorgonites said | October 25th 2011 @ 10:16am | Report comment
What a game.! what a couple of days. Being at Eden Park was well worth it (though it would have been nicer if the Aussies were palying).
Just a few things……
The Wallabies performace on Frisday was encouraging, espically with the injuries that cruelled our backline. a really gutsy performace. went a long way to proving we were actually the 3rd best team at this tournament. that is nothing to be ashamed off. hopefully Berrick can stay healthy and build into a great 10.
i have posted numerous times over the cup about the treatment of Quade, the wallabies and their supporters. I didnt want to harp on about it, but i think the behaviour of the Eden Park crowd on Friday night warrants it. The brozne medal game should be a celebration of rugby. we had two very good young sides giving it their all. this game meant something to them .it is a ashame that the crowd and NZ did not buy into the carnival spirt and celebratino of rugby that should have occured. we all know Australia lost to the ABs. we all know that QC had a bad touranment. but why did the crowd still feel it appropraite to boo the young kid? that was perhaps the lowest thing i have ever witnessed. NZ and their rugby community should be ashamed. IMO this WC will always be blighted by the unfair treatment QC received. no one deserves that. it was interesting that on Monday the NZ Herald had a little article having a go at the “Quade Haters” for booing him as he was being taken off the field injured. pathetic. the NZ Herald went a long way to creating the anti Australian and anit- QC sentiement. they should be ashamed. but then they try to take the moral high ground and say booing an injured player is too far. what do they expect from their moronic readership? the sad thing is that QC may never be the player he was this year due to that terrible injury. we may have msised out on seeing potentially one of the most exciting players to ver play this game. the poor kid was crucificed for being different. how many times have we seen that throughout history. what if QC never plays again? would NZ be proud of how that treated a 23 year old kid? i could go on and on, but i think in time NZ and its rugby communtiy will becoem embarssed of how QC, the wallabies and their suppoerters were treated throughout this WC. it was good to hear Kearns finally have a go at the crowd for the quade hating.
well done to the French. they made a real game of it. absoultely magnificent. incredible heart. made it the est final ever.
October 25th 2011 @ 12:43pm
Wal the Hooker said | October 25th 2011 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10761480
October 25th 2011 @ 12:51pm
King of the Gorgonites said | October 25th 2011 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
And your point is?
So an ex-scottish player had a great time.
That does not address the fundamental issue. Was the treatment of QC, the Australian team and Wallaby supporters acceptable?
Was boonig a player during a bronze medal game in the spirit of rugby.
NZ may like to hide behind puff peices written by people who had their holidays paid for them, stayed in the best accomodation, and went to the ground in chaeffuer driven cars. but the issue remains, was the treantment of QC justifed and accetpable for rugby?
When i meet a 70 year old couple travelling around NZ who are disappointed and intimiated by NZ’ers all because they are supporting the wallabies, i know something was wrong.
There were plenty of examples were NZ were great hosts. But when it came to game down it was downright embarassing.
October 25th 2011 @ 8:10pm
ScotandProud said | October 25th 2011 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
I thought it was shocking. Just how can that sort of thing be justified? Which is what GH tried to do. Hate to say it but I did not like the host nation’s antics one bit.
October 26th 2011 @ 5:12am
flying hori said | October 26th 2011 @ 5:12am | Report comment
STOP CRYING KING, WE DID’NT BOO HIM OFF, HE WAS CLAPPED OFF!
October 26th 2011 @ 7:24pm
jumpers said | October 26th 2011 @ 7:24pm | Report comment
Reported on Radio NZ Sport a kaumatua from Coopers whanau and tribe stated QC had said degregortory remarks about his own whanau and tribe! That is a No no no! in Maoridom! you do not run yr own whanau and tribe down cause it will come back and bite you and so it did when he went off injured. His ancestors would have been disgusted with his comments!!!