Why Cloke should stay with Collingwood
By Rodney Penny, 25 Jul 2012 Rodney Penny is a Roar Pro
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Boy, oh boy. What a month it’s been for Travis Cloke. And I don’t mean that in a positive way. We as the general public don’t know exactly what’s going on inside of his head, but whatever it is; it’s certainly affecting his football.
Over the last month, Cloke has averaged 10.25 possessions, 3.5 marks and 1.5 goals a game, hardly satisfactory statistics for a “premier” centre half-forward. In fact, if you don’t include Travis’ game against Carlton, (in which he performed quite well in a losing side), his statistics are significantly underwhelming (8.7 possessions, 1.7 marks and 1.3 goals a game).
Looking at those Key Performance Indicators, it’s hard to understand why Fremantle would offer Cloke a five year deal in the vicinity of $1 million a season.
When it came to light that Fremantle offered Cloke such a massive deal, I could understand why they’d want his services: he’s got a great mark, a massive presence on-field and he has an improved goal kicking technique over that of years past. At the time I probably thought he was worth around the $750,000 a season, not the $1 million that was being reported.
To be frank, I don’t believe he’s worthy of such a big deal anymore. There’s no doubt he’s a talented forward, but there have been numerous situations that have occurred over the past couple of months that have made me think of him as a selfish, self involved footballer, unable to cope with pressure or expectation.
I love it when players broaden their vocabulary to things other than “do the team thing”, “give it a crack”, or any other tedious cliché I’m sure has been repeated to the point of ennui.
But the way Cloke sounded on The Footy Show reminded me of a spoilt brat. His priority seems to be getting more out of another club’s bank account than getting more out of himself and his football.
Is that what AFL football has come to? Are players playing the game for the love of money or for the love of running out in their club’s colours, with their best mates, in front of tens of thousands of adoring fans?
Sadly, I think more and more players are choosing money over their team. And Cloke, simply by making the comments he’s made, is in that same group of players.
I’ll compare Travis Cloke with Travis Boak. Both are similar. They are fielding offers from different clubs, they are both being offered a nice sum of money and they both have remarkably similar names.
Yet they’re fielding offers for two very different reasons.
Cloke is doing it for financial security, and Boak is doing it for family reasons.
Travis Boak would leave for $150,000 less a season, to a club which will be declining in the next five years; for the sole reason of being with his family.
Travis Cloke would leave for $250-300,000 more a season, to a club which probably won’t reach the heights of Collingwood in the next five years, and move nearly 3,000kms away from his family and friends.
In adversity, both players have been performing in stark contrast to each other: Travis Boak has averaged 27.3 possessions over the past three weeks on the back of undergoing foot surgery and Cloke has averaged 10.25 possessions, 3.5 marks and 1.5 goals.
After all of what’s happened over the course of the past month, I’m surprised that Fremantle haven’t retracted their offer.
Who knows whether he’ll fit into Fremantle’s game plan anyway? Where will that leave Matthew Pavlich? And If Cloke impacts negatively on Matthew Pavlich’s game, you can be rest assured that the Purple Haze will start a riot on Fremantle Oval, demanding this impostor be on the next flight to Tullamarine.
He’ll probably just end up heading back to Melbourne after his deal finishes, citing homesickness, leaving Fremantle administrators and recruiters scratching their heads wondering, “What on earth were we thinking?”
For god sake’s Trav; sign a comfortable $750,000 a season, four-year deal with the biggest club in the land. Get your head out of your arse and start playing some decent footy again.
With pen put to paper, Cloke can start pulling down the big marks again, we’d all receive a bit of respite from the excessive contract talk. It’d be one less thing Eddie McGuire would be waging war over.
And then we can all look forward to the next big name player fielding offers from rival clubs.
Sounds good, doesn’t it? There’ll be more overhyped, mind-numbing monotony in an otherwise slow news week.
And soon thereafter; in an ironic series of events, I’ll be here to articulate.
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July 25th 2012 @ 9:09pm
Mark from Ocean Shores said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:09pm | Report comment
If any AFL team has a legitimate premiership chance, they must contain a power forward. Travis Cloke is a power forward. In modern history Collingwood have not had that player and consequently have not won premierships despite finishing the end of most home and away seasons over the past 40 years towards the top of the ladder. If Collingwood have in fact made a logical offer, something like $800k a year for 4 or 5 years, Cloke should sign. He is a very important player and a quality player but he is most importantly part of a team and ultimately it’s teams that win premierships like Geelong over recent years and Hawthorn, Carlton and Richmond as dominant teams over the last 40 years. If Cloke leaves for another club he will more than likely never be the player he has been or should be in the future by remaining at Collingwood. For his sake and for the sake of another Collingwood flag within the next few years lets hope both Cloke and Collingwood can taste the ultimate together again very soon.
July 25th 2012 @ 10:40pm
Alfred Chan said | July 25th 2012 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Cloke is supposedly the solution to Pav’s retirement. The two will play together for one maybe two years max. Outside of Pavlich, the Dockers have no AFL-potential key forwards capable of filling the void when Pav retires. Chris Mayne can’t take a contested mark and the next closest thing is moving Zac Clarke up forward which won’t happen. Pav is currently on seven figures a year but plenty of that was front ended when the Docker’s midfield guns were just developing.
The Dockers have move money to throw around than any of the other clubs vying for Cloke’s services and their pretty peeved about not getting Mitch Clark. They’ll get a gun forward but it probably won’t be Cloke.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:39pm
Jaceman said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:39pm | Report comment
Cloke should consider how the Sydney media works before moving there
The Leichhardt Council debate was closed before I could this on the tribal site debate .Fussball should reconsiderafter getting all sides of the discussion
http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/25/glenn-burge-trumps-tom-harley-in-sydney-soccer-stoush/
http://www.aflnswact.com.au/index.php?id=5&tx_ttnewstt_news=1078&tx_ttnewsbackPid=4&cHash=3e7e0cf2e1
July 26th 2012 @ 11:23pm
Brewski said | July 26th 2012 @ 11:23pm | Report comment
Fuss is a closed vacuum, and quite simply not worth the effort, he is last thing that should be thought about when a fair debate is considered.
What is interesting though, is that in the original Leichardt council sporting ground document, it states quite clearly that AFLNSW never applied for Birchgrove, it was actually the council that thought it would be a good idea, mainly because of the size and shape of the ground, but also notes that Australian football was played there from at least 1903.
So quite clearly the RL media has told untruths.
Here is the link, and it should clearly embarrass both the RL media, and the local soccer club.
http://www.leichhardt.nsw.gov.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/item12b-jul2012-ord.pdf
July 27th 2012 @ 11:55am
clipper said | July 27th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Very lengthy assessment. Most of the codes seem quite amicable, apart from Balmain and district Junior Rugby league who said ‘AFL should go elsewhere’ – bit petty, although league was the only group that didn’t supply player numbers.
There was a resolution that the Council write to the Australian Rugby League Commission seeking financial and logistical support – wonder how they’ll go with that?
Huge numbers for Soccer though – obviously the biggest sport in the area.
July 27th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Dingo said | July 27th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
It seems like the usual code has still got a runny nose when it comes to AFL. Wow, the Balmain and District Junior Rugby League Club are struggling to accept diversity within the sporting landscape.
Good to see most sporting groups are more mature and can look to resolving issues rather than saying “go away”.
July 27th 2012 @ 10:45am
Jaceman said | July 27th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
It was disgraceful how they made it into a NRL thing when if anything it was about the local soccer clubs future. I wonder if Sheeds had to invent the we are chasing Cloked thing to drum up some publicity for the Collingwood game which has been pretty quiet in the SMH this week
July 27th 2012 @ 10:57am
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Correct Jaceman, it is really about the local soccer club taking more grounds, and running a smear campaign against the NSWAFL using the RL media.
2 things, ……. just exactly how thick are these RL journos, and just how downright deceitful has the local soccer club been.
Burge’s hand (soccer club secretary and fairfax exec) in the SMH articles should be looked at closely.
July 27th 2012 @ 4:58pm
Titus said | July 27th 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
But why? It is quite clear from that, that the Balmain and Districts FC doesn’t want to be relocated from Birchgrove Oval.
So it is basically a case of the AFL coming in and kicking the Football team, who are the largest sports club by some distance, off their homeground.
If the FC wanted to go then fair enough, but they clearly don’t want to.
July 27th 2012 @ 6:57pm
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 6:57pm | Report comment
You are clearly not following, and perhaps you are incapable of doing so.
Quite clearly the SMH got it wrong, very wrong, maybe on purpose wrong, the NSWAFL never put a bid in for Birchgrove, they put a EOI in for another ground, the council states that emphatically in their own document about local sportsgrounds.
Yet we get fairfax headings in the SMH stating AFL drops Birchgrove, AFL out to steal cradle of RL etc and oddly enough Glen Burge is the Balmain soccer club secretary and a leading fairfax executive.
Those sort of heading fire up the RL fraternity to the point of hysteria, and blankets the NSWAFL completely from ever getting Birchgrove, even though the council recommends it, so soccer gets Birchgrove and the new facilities.
Looks to me like a serious use of mispower from a Fairfax exec, i wonder who told these Faifax RL journos that the NSWAFL was after Birchgrove ?, when it was simply not true.
July 27th 2012 @ 7:33pm
Titus said | July 27th 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
Brewski—you say;
“it is really about the local soccer club taking more grounds, and running a smear campaign against the NSWAFL using the RL media”
Whether it was the AFL or the Council, the jist was that the B&DFC should be relocated from Birchgrove and the B&DFC saying they don’t wish to be relocated.
How all of a sudden is this the B&DFC running a smear campaign. They have every right to say they would rather stay where they are.
The question is, where is this pressure to relocate coming from?
July 27th 2012 @ 8:10pm
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
So, just checking … you think it’s OK, that a person with a significant position of power within the media (fairfax) , and a personal interest in one of the clubs, can run or allow to run articles that totally misrepresent the situation.
Seems odd that fairfax was the only media org to run such articles !!.
Hope he gets called to account.
July 27th 2012 @ 8:30pm
Titus said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:30pm | Report comment
When this story broke we had the AFL media guy and people like yourself saying it’s all a beat up, the Football club was relocating to shiny new premises and it’s just League not wanting AFL to use the grounds.
Now it appears clear that the Football club didn’t want to relocate, it was pressure coming from the council presumably because the AFL were influencing them with money. Seems like a legitamate news story to me.
If the Football club doesn’t want to relocate then find somewhere else AFL, maybe the grounds where you were trying to shaft the Football kids to will do?
July 27th 2012 @ 8:39pm
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
Very sad, but very predictable response, i guess you get both the old and new testament home delivered, the SMH, and top it off with a copy of the Daily Telegraph.
You clearly have little idea.
July 27th 2012 @ 7:48pm
TW said | July 27th 2012 @ 7:48pm | Report comment
I have lived in Sydney and the long time residents hate anything to do with Melb – Fortunately the AFL is getting involved with a lot of Immigrants in GWS who do not have that ingrained dislike.
Tom Harley has a tough job in front of him but has a well organised structure behind him.
The question to ask – How come R/L as the number one code has LET Soccer football become so dominant in those areas.
Which leads me into this —-
In a major move over here in Perth – The local WAFL Club -West Perth – will be wearing a jumper incorporating the Union Jack for the August 11 WAFL International Round. –
Why – Because in some areas of their zone in the North Suburbs ( Little Britains) the population is 60% british and others. Their dev officers spend a lot of time at some of the primary schools to offer another footy code to the Soccer soaked English Kids when they arrive.They have reported some success increasing participation up to 50%, but they also admit they wont know the true pick up rate of kids for quite a while yet.
The Brighton Seagulls junior footy club at the northern suburb limits is just about entirely run by English parents and kids it seems
Remember – The price of Aussie Rules footy success is eternal vigilance – (Apologies to the original saying)
July 27th 2012 @ 8:15pm
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
I live up in Joondalup way, and many many British people are involved in local footy, in fact at junior level there is even quite a few coaching, probably quite a similar situation to Elizabeth in Adelaide where Central Districts has a very big UK support base.
Quite common to see British people with, for EX, both Collingwood and Newcastle United stickers on their car, or Eagles and Chelsea etc
July 27th 2012 @ 8:37pm
Titus said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:37pm | Report comment
Yeah that’s interesting, you could almost imagine British people becoming Aussies like you and me……..I mean, given time.
July 27th 2012 @ 8:40pm
Brewski said | July 27th 2012 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
Your shoulders are very clearly lopsided.
July 28th 2012 @ 9:41pm
Jaceman said | July 28th 2012 @ 9:41pm | Report comment
Titus
AFL make a bid to get a ground within the LGA that their club name states (Balmain) and there are limited fields so they make a bid. Soccer is offered Callan park to itself and wants to retain Birchgrove. Fairfax exec make it into an AFL to get into RL birthplace (actually Huddersfield I think) and completely distorts the story and you defend it.. Amazing And as the SMH loses money and demands editorial independence, its any wonder people get thier news elsewhere…