Five talking points from Wallabies vs Springboks

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    The Wallabies remain winless in the Rugby Championship but continue to churn out the breathtaking thrillers, hanging onto a tense 23-all draw against the Springboks in Perth.

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    Two tries and three penalty goals for both sides kept the scoreboard ticking over in a pretty scrappy affair of rugby.

    Australia not winning, but two thrillers on the trot is doing wonders for interest
    The Wallabies are zero wins from three games in the Rugby Championship, building off a pretty steady and nervy June International window.

    Despite the dire state of results, those same results, in the last three weeks in particular, have been about as good as a win anyway.

    The die-hard rugby heads will continue to watch anyway, begrudgingly at times, but casual fans will only tune in if they know it’s going to be entertaining, something worth setting their time aside for.

    There’s no way you can sit there and tell me the last two games haven’t produced thrilling finishes, tense dying moments that have you on the edge of your seat.

    That’s the kind of thing Australian rugby needs right now, great games for fans to sink their teeth into and bring interest back into the sport after a very trying year.

    The wins will come, the Wallabies will taste success before heading to Europe for the Spring Tour but these are solid building blocks for getting the sport back into the attention of sports fans.

    Israel Folau Wallabies Australian Rugby Union 2017

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    The sea of blue was out, but what now for rugby in Western Australia?
    There is just way too much to write about in regards to the Western Force, Super Rugby, the ARU and the ongoing saga that has been dropping a team this year.

    Despite the odds being wildly stacked against them this late in the game, the faithful fans of WA continue to fight, and for good reason, flooding nib Stadium in a sea of blue jerseys, hats, scarves… anything that could show the ARU they still hold strong.

    There was rarely a bit of yellow to be seen among the green of South Africa and the myriad of Force support.

    So we can see the love for the Force is still there and the fans and players will continue to battle for their existence, but where to now?

    It’s hard to imagine the ARU back-flipping on their decision to axe the franchise after seeing fans wear a blue shirt instead of a gold one.

    They’ve shot down Twiggy Forrest a handful of times already despite him throwing millions and millions of dollars at them, so it’s difficult to see what WA can do to turn things around against a stubborn ARU who have clearly made their decision and will not move from their post.

    Where does that leave not just the Force, but the state of rugby in the west?

    This was only the fifth Test in Perth in seven years, and without any Super Rugby being played there anymore by the way things are going, the entire state is being shoved aside.

    They’re being starved of rugby.

    You’d hope the ARU bring more international games to the west in the future to keep the sport relevant but there is a major disconnect on the horizon and that’s only going to be bad for the sport.

    Rugby in the west is a breeding ground, one that’s being neglected for nicer looking financial propositions in Victoria, a state dominated by AFL with very little fan base of rugby.

    I’m not saying Victoria doesn’t need rugby or doesn’t like the game, I am saying that Western Australia needs it more.

    Western Force Protest

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    Love him or hate him, Michael Hooper is one of the best on the planet
    Onto a brighter topic of conversation, Michael Hooper is a machine. An unnatural rugby machine.

    He has his fair share of detractors, especially after the Waratahs disastrous Super season this year, but the 25-year-old is by far one of the best players in the world right now and building a career to be one of the greats of all time.

    His strength, tenacity, mind for the game and a very deceptive turn of speed were all on show against the Boks, driving the Wallabies into the lead and being the blockade that kept the South Africans from taking it away from them.

    In the second half with the game in the balance, Hooper somehow pulled down a runaway Jan Serfontein while running past his own winger Henry Speight in pursuit to save a certain try.

    His counter rucking is a broken record of praise but he’s just too good in there, digging around like a terrier with no energy limits.

    He made more runs than anyone else on the park, more metres than any South African player, forward or back and was only bested in that category by his own winger and fullback.

    Most tackles for the Wallabies as well and a host of turnovers. Just try and slow him down.

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    Australia’s lineout an absolute mess
    This just became painful to watch at times as the Australian lineout continued to fall over itself and gift the Boks possession time and time again.

    Australia won just 63 per cent of their own lineout throws, a ridiculously poor number for a top flight rugby side.

    It wasn’t even under that much pressure from the South African jump either, giving away three scrums in the one game for not throwing straight, something that was hampering both veteran Tatafu Polota-Nau and debutant Jordan Uelese.

    They gave away penalties for talking the opposition jumper in the air, they gave away scrums for knocking on the ball when bringing it down for the halfback.

    They straight up had their throws stolen as well. The lineout was such a mess and it ultimately may have cost them the game, throwing away attacking opportunities time and time again inside the enemy half.

    How real are the Springboks’ chances at the Rugby Championship?
    There is no way South Africa would have thought they’d be undefeated from six games in 2017 after their worst year in rugby history just one year earlier.

    Just three wins from 13 games last year, including historic first defeats at the hands of Italy and Ireland to name a couple, as well as a record loss to New Zealand, had South African rugby in a state of despair.

    But boy have they bounced back this year.

    A dominant clean sweep of France in June in a three-Test series gave them a boost leading into back to back wins over Argentina at home and on the road.

    Now they didn’t win against the Wallabies, but they didn’t lose either.

    South Africa have only won one game in Australia in the last eight years, so not losing is a huge result for them and continues their rebuild and upwards trend away from the disaster of last year.

    Taking on New Zealand will be a whole different kettle of fish, we know that, but they sit just three points behind the All Blacks in the Championship standings and are the only team that can take them down from here.

    The Boks have never won the Rugby Championship since making the jump from the Tri-Nations and this is the best they’ve looked towards taking a shot at it in a long time.

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    • September 10th 2017 @ 10:43am
      Fionn said | September 10th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

      Cheers, Connor.

      I think you might need to go easy on the superlatives in regards to Hooper, mate. But the way you’re talking he has been one of the true greats in 2017. He had a good game last night but was really poor the two previous weeks and was average for the Waratahs.

      Australia’s line out is just awful. When will this McMooper/Pooper/Ooper experiment end? Imagine how scary Mostert would have been.

      The Saffas look to be building. They need more confidence and to play more like the Lions. Outside backs are really poor and I think they need someone of the power of RJVR in the team, at least on the bench if not starting.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 11:06am
        enoughisenough said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

        Yes, considering the game was lost (or not won) at the breakdown, where Australia was absolutely bossed, it is hard to dole out too much praise to any of the Wallabies back row. Sure Hooper made a couple of good cover tackles that kept us in the game, but that was about it.
        Still, given the Wallabies finished the game with 8 Waratahs on the field, I suppose a draw was about the best outcome one could expect.

        • September 10th 2017 @ 12:08pm
          Bill said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

          I’m not positive but what happened at the line out right before their no 12 made the run that lead to the hooper tackle? Pretty sure our backrowers didn’t secure the ball. So yes, praise hooper for the tackle but we have to ask wtf happened to put us in that spot?

        • September 11th 2017 @ 12:35am
          Bill said | September 11th 2017 @ 12:35am | ! Report

          A classic! You reckon 9 would have tipped us into a loss!!

      • Roar Guru

        September 10th 2017 @ 11:13am
        PeterK said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

        Coleman ran the lineout poorly though, why not change to throwing to the 1st jumper once it obvious the problems Etzebeth was causing.

        An area of the game Coleman needs to work on is his lineout management

        The boks with only 3 lineout jumpers often went to no 1 jumper

        • September 10th 2017 @ 3:46pm
          Paul D said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

          Not just his management of the lineout but his own hands too. He drops so many takes cold.

        • September 10th 2017 @ 9:49pm
          ScottD said | September 10th 2017 @ 9:49pm | ! Report

          To be fair to Coleman both hookers threw like amatuers most of the night and tge Boks def lineout was very good

          • Roar Guru

            September 10th 2017 @ 9:57pm
            PeterK said | September 10th 2017 @ 9:57pm | ! Report

            exactly and that is where his lineout management was poor. Once he saw this he needed to change the calls to the no 1 jumper or to the front to pass back to the hooker.

            He didn’t think on his feet and adapt.

      • Roar Guru

        September 10th 2017 @ 1:19pm
        Machooka said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

        Fionn… sorry buddy but your blindspot is becoming irritating. You might want to call the ambulance??

        • September 10th 2017 @ 1:32pm
          Fionn said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

          What alleged blind spot is this, champion? Is it Michael Hooper, the guy that I rarely criticise and haven’t argued against being the starting 7 since Pocock left?

          • September 10th 2017 @ 3:40pm
            Daveski said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

            Well you were basically insinuating it was Hoopers fault partly that our lineout was so poor…..

            • September 10th 2017 @ 3:51pm
              Fionn said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:51pm | ! Report

              No I wasn’t, you’re back to making up make believe facts again, Daveski. I said that Cheika deciding to select two 7s cost us our line out and that he needs to pick a single openside flanker in the starting 15 rather than two.

          • Roar Guru

            September 11th 2017 @ 10:10am
            Timbo (L) said | September 11th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

            Hoopers Fault, No.
            Coaches Fault Yes.

            Hoops did a lot of good work in open play. But…..
            The Selection of Hooper creates a disturbance in the Force.
            Hoops is weak in Ruck Defense (and attack once formed), a place the Boks blew through all night.
            To cover this weakness Michael ChiekTah puts in MacMahon (Another 7) at 8.
            With no Locking Hardman 8 we need a Locking 6 – Ned.

            The Selection of Hoops has a Causal Link.

            Is he a great player, Sure.
            Is he a good selection?

            Let’s Look at Hoopers’ chase down.
            The Boks Blitzed our Ruck and snatched the ball and ran for the chalk.

            Praise Hoops and Speight (who traveled extra distance coming across from his wing) for making the tackle, but why was that ruck under protected?
            Would we be better off defending the ruck and having a 10, 12 or 13 to provide the chase down service?

            • Roar Guru

              September 11th 2017 @ 2:22pm
              biltongbek said | September 11th 2017 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

              Speight should have been penalised in that chase, went completely off his feet to stop Serfontain from placing the ball.

              Unfortunately it was just another lazy piece of officiating by Jackson

        • September 10th 2017 @ 1:58pm
          Fionn said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

          I’m presuming you won’t reply. However, unsubstantiated allegations of ‘bias’ or ‘blind spots’ without any sort evidence or context whatsoever are the laziest and worst comments on this site. They contribute nothing to the debate and don’t further any sort of discussion.

          Sure, they’re sometimes correct (however, you need to provide at least some sort of evidence for why that is), but more often than not they’re a lazy way of saying ‘I disagree with your opinion’.

        • September 10th 2017 @ 5:47pm
          MH01 said | September 10th 2017 @ 5:47pm | ! Report

          Kettle …pot chook.

          • September 10th 2017 @ 7:35pm
            Maddie said | September 10th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

            There you go again Machooka… correcting roarers. This is an opinion thread. Fionn and every else are entitled to submit their opinion.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 11:10pm
        dan in devon said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:10pm | ! Report

        Hooper was immense. Played like a captain, especially when the big moments counted – the try-saving tackle was inspirational but even more awe-inspiring was his blocking of the South African drop kick. To bust his gut to get to Jantjies after emptying his tank for the whole game simply shows why he is Australian captain and why Cheika keeps him on the field for the full 80 mins.

    • September 10th 2017 @ 11:00am
      ScottD said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

      Thanks Connor. I think you have done the Boks lineout a bit of a disservice mate. The Boks def lineout competed well and put us under pressure, however we didn’t handle that pressure well at all and need to work on it.
      The WB front row also struggled and we need another number 8 who is a realistic lineout option. Hanigan worked hard and no disrespect to his effort but he isn’t good enough to play for WB’s as their starting 6. There are plenty of better starting players with a bit more grunt and then bring Hanigan in late.
      In the backs Beale was very very good. Interestingly I think we won the territorial kicking game which is rare.

      • Roar Guru

        September 10th 2017 @ 11:13am
        PeterK said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

        or throw to no 1 more often
        agree need a jumper at 8 though

      • Roar Guru

        September 11th 2017 @ 10:25am
        Timbo (L) said | September 11th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report

        I was relieved to see this sort of tactical kicking. It is something that has been Shunned under Michael CheikTahs Reign.

        It also shows that Beale is probably wearing the wrong Jersey. a 15 or 10 might be more appropriate. Hodge defended, and played in the 12 channel for a large portion of the game while Beale was back on guard duty.

    • September 10th 2017 @ 11:09am
      Gepetto said | September 10th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

      It’s time to run Quade Cooper on for the last 20 minutes so the Wallabies can score some points. Quade has great hands and will be able to catch Phipps’ passes.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 12:53pm
        Johnny J-Dog said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

        He’s not Inspector Gadget.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 4:08pm
        Dontcallmeshirley said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

        Genia’s passing was just as bad

      • September 10th 2017 @ 9:43pm
        Grotto said | September 10th 2017 @ 9:43pm | ! Report

        I watched the replay with roarers comments re Phipps in mind, but I only counted two wayward passes… That’s two .ore than Aaron Smith might make, but I don’t think the like on Phipps is justified this time…

    • September 10th 2017 @ 12:04pm
      Jeffrey said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

      Hooper is great except for where he is really needed which is at the breakdown. He might make a great centre but wouldn’t start for any of the other top International sides at openside.

      • Roar Guru

        September 10th 2017 @ 12:09pm
        PeterK said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

        eddy jones would have him in a heartbeat

        • September 10th 2017 @ 12:15pm
          Jeffrey said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

          I don’t know. I think Tom Curry would be the first choice pick. He at least attacks most breakdowns unlike Hooper.

          • Roar Guru

            September 10th 2017 @ 12:18pm
            PeterK said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

            Nicholas Bishop would strongly disagree with you and I take his analysis over yours

            • September 10th 2017 @ 12:29pm
              Jeffrey said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

              Ok, so he makes the English side because they are weak in that area. That still doesn’t change the fact that he is not doing his core role well which was the main point I was trying to make. Happy now?

            • September 10th 2017 @ 12:37pm
              Jacko said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

              Haha quoting Nick Bishop!!!!!!!!Desperation to believe in your point……..Bishop would write a 4000 word essay with 40 pictures….all stills with arrows everywhere….and disagree with himself 20 times in the article….and no one would know what he was trying to say apart from the articles title…..which he probably didnt come up with…..
              But please show me where he said that Eddie jones would want Hooper????????????

              • Roar Guru

                September 10th 2017 @ 1:16pm
                Machooka said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

                Good one Jacko… options are like @r$e holes, everyone has got one eh!

              • September 10th 2017 @ 1:19pm
                RahRah said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Actually chook, not all of us have a plethora of options – opinions however 😄

              • Roar Guru

                September 10th 2017 @ 1:21pm
                Machooka said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

                RahRah… it’s been a tough few weeks eh?

                🙂

                Opinions! Ffs… auto correct does my head in 😉

              • September 10th 2017 @ 1:24pm
                RahRah said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

                😡😓😡😓

              • September 10th 2017 @ 6:05pm
                Jacko said | September 10th 2017 @ 6:05pm | ! Report

                Thanks Chook…..glad you agreed with me……or was sarcasm one of those OPTIONS

            • September 10th 2017 @ 3:57pm
              cuw said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

              dont know about Hooper, but last night commentary was saying Jones is keen to have saffa Michael Rhodes of Saracens in the fold.

              Jones is also keen for Brad Shields to come there. 🙂

              • Roar Guru

                September 10th 2017 @ 4:35pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

                To be fair, it was only the commentators who speculated about Rhodes possible future in the English Test team. But I can see where they are coming from. England has really good quality and depth in almost all positions now, except in the back row. After Billy Vunipola there is a huge gap to almost nothing. So right now almost everyone is an option (including moving one or two looks to the back row).

              • September 10th 2017 @ 4:57pm
                Jeffrey said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

                Nathan Hughes isn’t a bad back up, Neutral. He is another poach I guess. Played for Auckland a few years ago.

              • September 10th 2017 @ 5:15pm
                Bakkies said | September 10th 2017 @ 5:15pm | ! Report

                Ben Morgan and Dave Ewers are no mugs

              • Roar Guru

                September 10th 2017 @ 5:25pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 10th 2017 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

                Hughes is a big boy with some qualities, but I am far from sure he has what it takes to perform consistently at Test level.

                To claim “England” poached him from NZ is a big stretch me think. He is born and bred in Fiji. Came to NZ when he was 17, left for England when he was 21.

                Overall England can’t really poach players like many other nations can with promises of Test rugby. If a player moves to England it is because a club wants him, the English union has no say what so ever and the player only get paid from the national union when he is selected for the England team.

                Overall, only Argentinian-, Georgian-, and to a degree, Springboks-fans can claim moral high ground when it comes to poaching. Everyone else is just throwing stones inside the glasshouse.

              • September 11th 2017 @ 1:32pm
                Council said | September 11th 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

                Oh NZ has more than enough moral high ground to talk about poaching, considering the amount of island players we develop with NPC and Super Rugby who then play for their home country, and still retain their spots in NZ super and NPC teams.

                Please o please god stop him from preaching to us about NZ rugby.

              • Roar Rookie

                September 10th 2017 @ 7:26pm
                Phantom said | September 10th 2017 @ 7:26pm | ! Report

                Jones has no shame when it comes to picking imports.

              • Roar Guru

                September 10th 2017 @ 10:14pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 10th 2017 @ 10:14pm | ! Report

                Is this something that makes Eddie Jones unique?
                Can you point out some coaches who act differently to Eddie in this regard?

              • September 11th 2017 @ 2:09pm
                cuw said | September 11th 2017 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

                they were not speculating – they said Jones had spoken to him . but i looked up his wiki and Rhodes is like 29.

                as for Hughes , it was the previos coach and the player who poached 🙂 Hughes was picked by FIJI for the RWC 2015 , but he refused and said he will qualify by residence for England.

                his game is loose – last night for Wasps he was brilliant and rubbish ( tho it was raining ). much like a Q Cooper ….

            • Roar Guru

              September 11th 2017 @ 10:35am
              Timbo (L) said | September 11th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

              Nick’s piece extolled Hoop’s virtues. He is very good at what he does, and where he does it.

              It is one thing to Pilfer, another to prevent it.

              What was needed last night was a hard man to defend a ruck and push in a scrum.
              MacMahon struggled to move any of the Green Machine. A Higgers 8 would have made it a fair fight, leaving the smaller guys for MacMahon.
              Hoops got most of his stats playing like a 12. Give him that Jersey or or find someone else that can do the role. Stop Crippling the Forwards!
              The whole Argies pack is just as potent, and if they can stay disciplined they are going to be trouble.

        • September 12th 2017 @ 5:40am
          FunBus said | September 12th 2017 @ 5:40am | ! Report

          Yes, Eddy Jones would definitely pick Hooper to start for England.

          • September 13th 2017 @ 10:13am
            Eddy Jones said | September 13th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

            No I wouldn’t. I want hard nuts not seagulls.

    • Roar Guru

      September 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm
      Machooka said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

      Thanks Connor… it was a difficult game to watch but at least a game did finally break-out in the second half.

      This first half was rubbish for mine… from both sides. Although, the Bok looked the goods at the break-down and were totally dominant in this pursuit. The Wallaby seemed to be a step off the pace, or just trying too hard which makes you look outta sorts. Anyhow, both sides will be better for this hit-out… and that’s about the only positive I can come up with.

      Interesting to hear in the post match interviews of what the players actually thought about the game… and that was they thought it a classic Test match. So I’ll bow to their interruption on that one.

      Next week’s Tests, for both teams, will be very important as to how the RC plays out. The Wallaby will need to win against Los Pumas… and with some authority. The Bok, on the other hand, will need to throw everything at the almighty ABs to have a chance of being close at back end of the game. I’m not expecting a win for the Bok… but a good fight. And bare in mind after this round the Bok then host two Tests against both the Black and we hapless Wallaby. Lots to play for before this comp is done and dusted.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 3:43pm
        Daveski said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

        The second half was vastly superior to the first and in the end I’d say was a good game in part due to the closeness. But really that first 40 was a fumble-a-thon with Australia misfiring the Sth Africa taking a more conservative approach then we expected.

        • September 10th 2017 @ 3:59pm
          cuw said | September 10th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

          saffas seemed to be sleep walking in 1st half – was it the travel?

          just wonder what this match would be if both sides pick their best in their positions – like Flow a 7 and Thor at 8 for saffas and H’botham at 8 for auzzy.

          • Roar Guru

            September 11th 2017 @ 1:13am
            Harry Jones said | September 11th 2017 @ 1:13am | ! Report

            I’d have settled for Jean-Luc du Preez at 8. Hope he starts in Albany.

    • September 10th 2017 @ 12:29pm
      RahRah said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

      Personally I felt incredibly ambivalent about the result. Having just culled my team, the feeling is that the WB’s are no longer my team either. Couple the EARU backstabbing and underhanded betrayal with Ahab’s continued selection idiocy and for me anyway – f$&k em!
      Try as I might, there was just no more emotional investment in the WB’s and the result.

      • September 10th 2017 @ 12:36pm
        ScottD said | September 10th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

        You might have to start supporting the All Blacks or Boks mate😃

        • September 10th 2017 @ 1:22pm
          RahRah said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Would be easy to do in theory Scotty, but it just leaves a lot of the Blue Crew with nothing now.
          NFL started this weekend so at least I will have a welcome distraction through the spring tour.

          • Roar Guru

            September 10th 2017 @ 1:25pm
            Machooka said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

            Go the Newton Jets 😉

          • September 10th 2017 @ 2:02pm
            Helen said | September 10th 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

            Just had the misfortune of hearing Emma Freedman and the Sport Sunday panel bag the West’s support of rugby. 17500 at a ground with a capacity of 20000 trounces the crowd at the first Bledisloe. And, the Force crowds whilst not great, were no worse than any east coast team. The east coast band wagon is rolling on strong …

            • September 10th 2017 @ 4:05pm
              B said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

              I was watching as well- unless my hearing deceived me I thought the other female panellist (unsure of the ladies identity) basically denigrated WA and Force fans for not selling out the stadium. I’m from the East coast (and was at the game) but I am starting to understand how WA can feel quite jaded, the turnout for the Force last night was something I’ve only seen once before with the South Sydney Rabbitohs- the attitude on display on WWOS was ignorant and an unfortunate misrepresentation of the turnout ( I was surprised that the general public turned out in the numbers they did considering the week that has been).

            • Roar Pro

              September 10th 2017 @ 4:55pm
              Crazy Horse said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

              THe other 3,000 seats would have been sold if there weren’t so many fans in Perth totally disillusioned with the EARU> I wouldn’t have gone myself if I didn’t already have tickets when the decision to cut the Force was announced.

              • September 10th 2017 @ 9:58pm
                ScottD said | September 10th 2017 @ 9:58pm | ! Report

                I am a bit confused as I thought the stadium capacity was 25000 and I couldn’t see 3000 empty seats. I looked around quite carefully during the game and came to the conclusion that there might be 1000 empty seats.

              • Roar Guru

                September 11th 2017 @ 9:30am
                Train Without A Station said | September 11th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

                Or just as likely they wouldn’t have given the recent trend in WA attendances:

                2012 – 34,377 (SA)
                2013 – 18,214 (Arg)
                2014 – 25,718 (SA)
                2016 – 16,202 (Arg)

                Looking at the trends since 2012, the Saturday attendance of 17,528 is hardly out of character.

          • September 10th 2017 @ 9:55pm
            ScottD said | September 10th 2017 @ 9:55pm | ! Report

            I was also at the game. It was great, I got to jump up and cheer anytime either team did something good. It was quite liberating actually..

      • September 10th 2017 @ 1:05pm
        Jules said | September 10th 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

        Sad to say felt the same! Loved the spectacle and wearing my blue but didn’t feel any emotion towards the result! I hope I can forgive and move on sometime and get back my love for the wallabies but at this point I just don’t know.

      • Roar Pro

        September 10th 2017 @ 4:23pm
        Crazy Horse said | September 10th 2017 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

        I hear you Rah Rah. I just couldn’t get enthused about the East Coast Wallabies last night. I found myself cherring for the Boks. I never thought I’d ever do that. I wasn’t the only one either.

      • September 11th 2017 @ 4:36am
        Ex force fan said | September 11th 2017 @ 4:36am | ! Report

        The ARU treatment of 4-6 old kids also wouldn’t have made them any friends either. It is ok to treat players, staff and fans like rubbish but little kids! Then to state that they couldn’t find a few more in the stands to make it 46 is just another rediculous lie! Burning your bridges for the next generation as well…

        http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/young-mascots-sidelined-for-wearing-western-force-jerseys-at-wallabies-versus-south-africa-test-at-nib-stadium/news-story/4e2e43468889fba18fe91e8f2e4e695a

      • September 11th 2017 @ 3:01pm
        ajg said | September 11th 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

        I totally feel ambivalent as well

        I live over on the east coast and I am filthy about the decision too. Have completely gone off rugby as a whole because of it.

        Hope u guys out west get better treated and something comes through for you

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