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AFL Phantom Draft 2017: A very, very early top 20

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    After the trade period wrapped up last week the next big event on the AFL calendar is now the draft, which will be held a little over a month from now on Friday 24 November.

    Realistically speaking, the draft is still much too far away for us to have any hope of accurately predicting who will go where – but why should that stop me making a few wild guesses and having some fun?

    Below I’ve put together a very, very early attempt a top 20 phantom draft for 2017, looking at players both in terms of what kind of prospect they are, and how they would fit into the club I’ve matched them with.

    Some matches already feel hand-in-glove, most are nothing short of wild guesses. I make no apologies for what is a virtual certainty that I will be proven horribly, horribly off the mark when the big night arrives.

    Pick 1 – Brisbane Lions – Cam Rayner
    187cm, 88kg

    The Lions face a curious decision as moreso than other clubs they will be considering not just who is the best prospect but also who is the most likely to commit to a Queensland club for the long term.

    That is really always something of a gamble though and no matter which route the Lions go down there will be some risk. The recent departure of Josh Schache is a reminder that you never really can predict who will stay and who will go.

    With that in mind I have them taking the best talent available which at this stage appears to be Cam Rayner, who has drawn numerous and repeated comparisons to the iconic player of 2017, Dustin Martin.

    The knock on Rayner in his endurance – at the moment it’s not clear whether he has it in him to become a fulltime midfielder, or if he’ll forever split his time between the middle and the forward line.

    Pick 2 – Fremantle Dockers – Paddy Dow
    184cm, 78kg

    The leading contenders for this pick are all midfielders and Fremantle have a few options to choose from. I have them picking up Paddy Dow, a versatile inside-outside mid with a deadly burst of speed away from the stoppages.

    Pick 3 – Carlton Blues – Luke Davies-Uniacke
    187cm, 85kg

    Rayner, Dow and Davies-Uniacke are touted as the likely top three by most, though in what order remains to be seen – Carlton will be happy with any of them.

    Davies-Uniacke is a mature, big-bodied type who will be ready to play plenty of midfield minutes from Round 1, 2018.

    Luke Davies-Uniacke AFL draft 2017 tall

    (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

    Pick 4 – North Melbourne Kangaroos – Jaidyn Stephenson
    189cm, 76kg

    Stephenson hasn’t necessarily got same the deep record of good form as some other prospects in the early part of the draft, but his combination of height, speed and forward nous make him a unique and exciting prospect. North Melbourne could use that.

    Pick 5 – Fremantle Dockers – Aaron Naughton
    194cm, 84kg

    I was originally sceptical of Fremantle going after tall WA-born backman Naughton here, but having gained another top five pick they might be willing to reach for him a little.

    In combination with last year’s first pick Griffin Logue he would set their defence up for the longterm.

    Pick 6 – Collingwood Magpies – Jarrod Brander
    195cm, 90kg

    An athletic tall who has played good football at both ends of the ground, it’s not clear right now whether Brander will settle as a forward or a defender.

    These ‘swingman’ types make me a bit wary as I prefer players who know what their best position is, but Collingwood could badly use a tall at either end of the ground so it might be less of a concern for them than it would be others.

    Pick 7 – St Kilda Saints – Adam Cerra
    186cm, 85kg

    A classy midfielder, Cerra could easily go much, much higher than this but if the Dockers and Magpies pick talls then someone very promising is going to slip to the Saints and it might be him.

    Cerra would add a touch of finesse to a St Kilda midfield that is more known at the moment for its grunt and grind.

    Pick 8 – St Kilda Saints – Andrew Brayshaw
    183cm, 80kg

    The brother of Melbourne’s Angus, Brayshaw is a bit smaller and more versatile than his sibling, and has a touch more class as well, potentially making him a good fit for the Saints.

    Pick 9 – Western Bulldogs – Nick Coffield
    190cm, 85kg

    An attacking defender who may wind up a midfielder, Coffield’s height gives him the ability to match up on a versatile range of opponents.

    Having lost Bob Murphy and Matthew Boyd to retirement this year, Coffield could be a logical acquisition for the Bulldogs as someone who can slot into a similar role.

    Pick 10 – Carlton Blues – Sam Hayes
    203cm, 93kg

    Although he is considered one of the best prospects in the draft, ruckman Sam Hayes – by virtue of being a ruckman – could prove to be a slider on the night.

    Clubs are generally hesitant to draft ruckmen this early, and looking at recent premiership teams you’ll notice none of them have spent big on rucks.

    However with a goodly number of high picks lately, Carlton may be willing to buck the trend and pick up Hayes with an eye to making him the successor to 28-year-old Matthew Kreuzer. Someone has to be.

    Pick 11 – GWS Giants – Jack Higgins
    178cm, 76kg

    The classic “that’s what I’d be saying if you weren’t an inch too short” type, Higgins arguably boasts more talent than some of those who I’ve already taken off the board at this point but at his height there are naturally questions about him being a fulltime midfielder.

    That’s not a problem for GWS and it’s why it makes sense for him to go here. They could use more dangerous medium and small forwards and he could play Round 1 for them in that role.

    Pick 12 – Adelaide Crows – Darcy Fogarty
    192cm, 92kg

    A contender for the number one pick at the start of the year who failed to come on due to injury as much as anything else, Fogarty is the best South Australian prospect on the table and it would be a dream come true for Adelaide if he slips to this pick.

    He’s played both in the midfield and as a tallish forward, the Crows would probably expect him to be a midfielder longterm. I like the fact that, unlike most other prospects left on the board now, he’s more forward-leaning rather than being a behind-the-ball type.

    Pick 13 – West Coast Eagles – Aiden Bonar
    190cm, 89kg

    One of the harder prospects to place in the draft pool, Bonar has already been through two ACL reconstructions but the blend of speed and power he has shown when able to play is electrifying. He’s played both forward and midfield.

    It’s not the safest pick available by any means but West Coast have spent years drafting safe types and have a dishwater-dull midfield as a result. It’s time to take a risk.

    Aiden Bonar AFL

    (Photo by Robert Prezioso/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Pick 14 – Sydney Swans – Charlie Constable
    190cm, 83kg

    Compared by many to Carlton’s Patrick Cripps, Constable has developed from being more of a general defender into a genuine big-bodied inside midfielder.

    In the absence of any obvious need here Sydney can afford to take best available. Constable would learn a lot from and likely eventually replace Josh P Kennedy.

    Pick 15 – Brisbane Lions – Lochie O’Brien
    184cm, 75kg

    An outside midfielder with line-breaking ability and good kick, O’Brien would add another layer of class to Brisbane’s emerging young midfield.

    Pick 16 – Richmond Tigers (matching bid from Western Bulldogs) – Patrick Naish
    180cm, 69kg

    A slightly-built outside midfielder/forward, Naish will likely join the Tigers as a father-son pick. As is always the case with players of his size, the question on him is how much he can eventually bulk up.

    Pick 17 – Western Bulldogs – Noah Balta
    194cm, 92kg

    Balta is a bit difficult to place in the draft due to not having really settled in one position and being a more raw prospect than some, but his athleticism and booming kick put him in the conversation as one of the best talls in the draft.

    Pick 18 – Brisbane Lions – Jack Petrucelle
    185cm, 77kg

    He would be a bit of a bolter at this pick, but Petrucelle is the fastest player in the draft and having brought a diverse range of young talent into the club lately, that might be a point of difference that appeals to Brisbane.

    Pick 19 – Gold Coast Suns – Hunter Clark
    186cm, 79kg

    A regular victim of leather poisoning, Clark is an inside midfielder ball magnet who would help balance out the abundance of flanker-types that Gold Coast has drafted over the years.

    Pick 20 – Richmond Tigers – Oscar Allen
    191cm, 83kg

    A WA-born key forward who won the Larke Medal as the best Division One player in the national championships, Allen might prove to be a little shorter that most AFL key forwards, but perhaps that’s the way the league is trending.

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    • October 23rd 2017 @ 9:42am
      Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

      You are right Josh that the blues would be happy with any of the top 3 (or possibly even Cerra but I doubt that will take him). Rayner looks likely to be gone but both the other 2 offer pretty much exactly what the blues are looking for.

      On the pick 10 option I agree we need to start considering a replacement for Kreuzer soon but I am not convinced they wouldn’t go for another midfield option at 10 and try to fill the ruck spot with a later pick or a rookie spot in the 2017 or 2018 draft. Perhaps Scott Jones might fit the bill.

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        October 23rd 2017 @ 10:22am
        Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

        Cheers Macca. I agree that’s entirely possible, if not probably the more likely result – think it depends a lot on how much Carlton rates Hayes’ ability to go forward too. Who do you like of the midfielders likely to be there at that pick?

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 10:33am
          Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:33am | ! Report

          Hayes does look like he could go forward but as with Schache it becomes difficult to develop McKayas the blues will hope to this year and develop someone like Hayes, although it is easier to develop Hayes in the VFL than Schache who will be looking for senior games at his age – it will be a an interesting one.

          As for the midfielders at 10 it isn’t a really clear cut choice but if Brayshaw was around he seems a good fir, any player described as “Compared by many to Carlton’s Patrick Cripps” always gets a bit of interest from a carlton supporter but perhaps we would be looking for a more outside type, I coulds see BOnar being of interest but I am not sure the blues can afford to take the risk on a player with 2 ACL’s behind him.

          Who would you take?

          • Editor

            October 23rd 2017 @ 11:02am
            Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

            Difficult to pick really. Higgins is great but not sure you want another small bloke. Constable arguably too similar to others, Fogarty too much risk of another Blue eventually wanting to go to the Crows? 😉 if I thought there was an obvious choice I probably would’ve put them in there instead of Hayes tbh.

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:08am
              Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

              If the blues did take Higgins that would make 5 on the list under 180cm, the other 4 being Fisher, Poulson, Wright & Pickett – I wouldn’t be too upset if Higgins is the equal of those.

              You are right though no one stands out as the must take – it really looks like a draft where someone will slip through and everyone will be wondering how they were taken behind X.

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am
          Davo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

          I think who ever get Cerra will get a great player. He looks really classy and his coach said he is probably the best player he has ever coached. Carlton or Norths would be mad to pass him up. Also like the look of Stephenson but not as a midfielder.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:37am
            Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

            Davo – the Saints would be stoked if Cerra got through to 7, but I can’t see him going top 3 and if Freo and Pies go more for needs it could happen.

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:18pm
              Davo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

              I think Cerra would have been top 3 if he didn’t get injured. His last game he had 3 goals and 5 behinds. He apparently isn’t as fast a Dow but has great endurance. I think Saints are in a great position in the draft with their 3 top ten picks.

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                October 23rd 2017 @ 8:13pm
                Col from Brissie said | October 23rd 2017 @ 8:13pm | ! Report

                Where did that third one come from Davo?

              • October 24th 2017 @ 8:16am
                Davo said | October 24th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

                I mean 2 top ten not 3.

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 10:45am
        Liam said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

        You don’t pick ruckmen with first round picks; either the game changes, they never come on as much as they should, or injury strikes them down like it does all big men in AFL.

        Not to mention that the best rucks running around are rookie draftees, with the exception of Natanui who did an apprenticeship under Dean Cox, the best ruck of the previous generation. There is simply no way Carlton picks up a ruckman here, despite how good Sam Hayes projects to be, as they now have three rucks on the list. They’ll pick up a ruck with a later selection, and try to develop them in the twos.

        Ask yourself, given the Gibbs trade, if Carlton would try to add another utility/midfielder with one of their selections. Pick 3 is definitely for best available, but if you think Charlie Constable is slipping past the Blues at pick 10 you’re kidding.

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:35pm
        terrence said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

        As anticipated in the July update, a poor finish to the AFL winter and an exceptionally poor AFL September ensued across much of the country. The main impact of the poor season has been the downward trajectory of Australian draft cattle prices – largely caused by waning restocker demand. In recent weeks, despite some culling of older unnecessary stock has not revived the AFL market, with increased yardings and declining restocker buyer activity reducing saleyard prices.

        This will continue to jeopardise the national AFL herd rebuild, with adult cattle slaughter remaining on track with the July update. However, record numbers on feed and a relatively low proportion of females making up AFL cattle slaughter has resulted in an upwards revision to average carcase weights. This, in turn, has flowed on to a slight increase in projected AFL export volumes.

        Although coming off the boil in recent weeks, the appreciation of the A$ over the last few months has challenged Australian exporters – particularly at a time when the US, Australia’s greatest competitor on the global market, has been expanding its beef production and global market share.

        The cattle market hangs in the balance, with the price direction in the short-term dependent on how the season plays out in the lead up to summer. If the positive rainfall outlook for eastern Australia in October comes to fruition, this will go a long way to supporting young cattle prices.

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      October 23rd 2017 @ 9:44am
      Col from Brissie said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

      Josh, brave effort to go this early. From a Carlton perspective I am not sure they would look to take Hayes at pick 10 especially after grabbing Lobbe in the trade period. Clubs these days tend to chase mature aged ruckmen from other clubs to satisfy their needs.

      I think Carlton will look to take the best talent available at that spot and if Brayshaw was still there they would happily take him. I think they will continue to strengthen their midfield and after picking up another inside mid in Kennedy to help Cripps will look for some outside run with goal kicking abilities.

      • Editor

        October 23rd 2017 @ 10:23am
        Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

        Hey Col, you’re right that clubs rarely look to draft ruckman high these days but someone will eventually bit the bullet and pick hayes – I’m interested to see who it will be.

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      October 23rd 2017 @ 9:49am
      Will Cuckson said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

      I hope that Carlton can take Rayner or Davies-Uniacke with pick 3, and I’d be pretty happy to pick up Jack Higgins at 10 or even Stephenson if he slips that low.

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 9:54am
        Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        Will – I dobt very much we will get Rayner but Uniacke-Davies or Dow will be great pick ups for us.

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:12am
          13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

          Your a chance to get Rayner if both Brisbane and Freo baulk because of the go-home factor.
          With both LDU and Dow being country boys the flight risk is lessened somewhat than Rayner who is a Vic Metro boy.
          I have Brisbane taking LDU at #1 and Freo going Dow at #2, with Rayner slipping through to the Blues.

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            October 23rd 2017 @ 11:27am
            TomC said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

            I don’t know much at all about the draftees, but I think Josh is on the money when he says that trying to draft players with no home game factor is an exercise in futility.

            Maybe if one of the players in question was Tasmanian or a Queenslander it would make a significant difference.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am
            Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

            13th Man – Rayner has apparently assured the Lions he will stay but talk is cheap.

            If he does slip through to 3 I won’t be complaining – he does seem close to the exact player the blues would want.

            The knock on him seems to be his endurance but I read a quote from a recruiter recently saying “that is the easiest thing to build” in an AFL environment. If his head is screwed on straight I don’t think there will be an issue.

      • Editor

        October 23rd 2017 @ 10:23am
        Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

        Can’t imagine Stephenson going any further than St Kilda’s picks personally.

    • Roar Guru

      October 23rd 2017 @ 10:39am
      TomC said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

      Josh likes a good pun, but I haven’t known him to engage in double entendre.

      Nevertheless, his description of Bonar as one of the harder prospects to place has me suspicious.

      • Editor

        October 23rd 2017 @ 10:46am
        Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

        Ha, is there any chance anyone believes me if I say that one was entirely unintentional?

    • October 23rd 2017 @ 11:21am
      13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

      Will be interesting to see whether Freo do take the punt on Naughton at #5. After already getting one of the top 3 mids, I’d love them to take a WA boy, and Naughton has been really good for Peel.
      However I’m not sure if he’s entirely what we need considering we got Logue last year plus brought in Hamling and also have Alex Pearce coming back from injury.
      I do rate Oscar Allen highly but think #5 may be a bit of a stretch considering you have him sliding to #20.

      • Editor

        October 23rd 2017 @ 11:38am
        Josh Elliott said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

        Wouldn’t be surprised to see Allen going at one of West Coast’s picks in the 20s, but can’t imagine he’s any chance to go earlier than the late teens at best, and there’s every chance he slides as is pretty common for talls unless they’re very, very elite.

        Spending two top ten picks on KPDs in as many years is definitely a bit of a gamble and not one I would have recommended if the Dockers hadn’t also somehow nabbed pick 2. You’re not likely going to play all of Naughton, Logue, Pearce and Hamling in the same team so it does need to be considered to some degree whether or not it’s the best area for the Dockers to add talent – suspect the Pies would be happy with Naughton at 6 if not.

        • October 23rd 2017 @ 3:49pm
          johno said | October 23rd 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

          I would actually like Freo to take Fogarty at pick 5. South Aussie, who Freo have had no trouble in keeping in the past (Pav, Clive, Byron, Lachie Neale) and a very very good player who had some injury issues.

          Big bodied midfielder / forward. Kind of reeks of Pav mk II

          Happy with any of Dow, Uniake Davies or Rayner. But equally happy with Stephenson at pick 2 – pace and a liking for the goals

          Kinda think that Naughton and Allen will fall to West Coast at 13 and the 20’s. West Coast will need to start getting in some goal kickers as Le Cras and Kennedy are both on the wrong side of the 30’s.

          Naughton could release McGovern forward straight away as Naughton will play seniors in 2018

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 4:41pm
            13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

            I agree, my personal preference is LDU at #2 and Fogarty at #5. LDU a country boy that loves a surf… Just make him housemates with Blakely!
            Also we should Make sure whoever we draft is single then find them nice local girls ??

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 6:41pm
              Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

              That used to be Weller so there’s a room available.

              • October 26th 2017 @ 2:37pm
                Jon boy said | October 26th 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

                No he had a girlfriend.

              • October 26th 2017 @ 2:58pm
                Don Freo said | October 26th 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

                Shared a house with Langdon and Blakely. Some people have houses that allow boys to have girlfriends sharing with them.

                Welcome to the last 50 years.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 6:23pm
            dontknowmuchaboutfootball said | October 23rd 2017 @ 6:23pm | ! Report

            I’m only ever going from write-ups in draft previews, etc., but Fogarty is the one who has caught my eye.

            I’d be sorry to pass over Naughton, but I agree that Freo’s pretty well stocked now for tall backs (and intercepts, and even running half-backs). Definitely need to be looking at tall mids who go forward and have a lot of impact. To that extent, I’d be happy with Stephenson, or even Allen, though Dow’s “burst of speed” does sound useful too.

            My biggest fear now is that WC, with their stock of second rounders, will pick up Liam Ryan, before Freo get a shot in the third round. If he reaches even half of his potential, it’s going to cause me no end of agony seeing him play for WC. (Having said that, I expect that Freo don’t have him on their watch list anyway).

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 6:44pm
              Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

              I’d be staggered if they pass up Naughton, especially now they have #2 pick. Freo has the best midfield in the AFL so I don’t think one of those top 4 mids is a priority. They’ll probably take one of them and then Naughton.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:23pm
                13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:23pm | ! Report

                Don, whilst our midfield is good, we don’t have much depth really after Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, the Hills and Blakely. Its why we can’t send Fyfe forward as often as we’d like.
                I think with the likes of Hamling, Logue, Alex Pearce, Cox and Ryan, there isn’t much need for another key defender so whilst I rate Naughton extremely highly I would pick for needs.
                There are no real standout Key forwards in the draft so I think big bodied midfielders are probably the go so the likes of LDU, Dow, Rayner, Fogarty and Stephenson will all come into consideration at our first two picks.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:44pm
                Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

                You have mentioned 6 stars there. Add to that Sunny Walters, Harley Bennell and Ed Langdon and we have a very deep lot of stars with the S brigade for depth. That is 9 guns. Only Mundy is likely to depart in the next year or two.

                You don’t let someone like Naughton go through to another club. He is not just a Collins or Silvagni. He is a McPharlin, Rance type. He is also heart and soul Freo/Peel. An All Australian key position local must never be overlooked when we hold the draft aces.

                A defence built around Pearce, Logue and Naughton with Hamling and Cox to swing back…now that is depth. Logue, by the way, is a good chance to become one of our inside midfielders. I know that’s his hope.

                The forwards are fine with the return of a pack marking Apeness and the establishment of Taberner to support a real gem in Cox. Cox is Hayden Ballantyne’s predicted Freo star of the future.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 8:54pm
                13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 8:54pm | ! Report

                Fair enough, i’d be extremely happy with Davies Uniacke and Naughton. Drafting a quality freo local boy is always preferable.
                If we nail our picks this year it could be 1999 all over again when we got Haselby and Pavlich (no pressure guys!!)

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 9:33pm
                Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:33pm | ! Report

                Ah! Hasleby. My favourite ever Docker.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 12:59am
                13th Man said | October 24th 2017 @ 12:59am | ! Report

                Haze certainly has been in a pretty good paddock since he retired though!

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:18pm
              13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

              Yes, as much as I highly rate Naughton, hes not what we need, meanwhile Davies-Uniacke and Fogarty are those big-bodied mids that can go forward if need be and can also release the likes of Fyfe to play more time forward.
              LDU in particular could debut rd 1 next season and slot straight into our best 22, the kid is rolled gold and I honestly hope Brisbane don’t take him pick 1, but I suspect they might.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:25pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                I thought naughton would be exactly what was needed. Do you guys see logue as a kpd? I read that a lot and I see him developing into a yeo type player not a kpd

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:31pm
                13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

                I see Logue as a Michael Johnson type player, can play a shutdown role if necessary but can also play that intercept role as well.
                For mine Luke Ryan is more of a Yeo type player.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:59pm
                Johnno said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

                I am a bit confused as to wghat is best.

                Take a gun midfielder with 2 and maybe Naughton or Hayes with 5 or a Fogarty.

                Could you see Pearce going forward or is he solely a backman? And I agree Logue could end up midfield more than defensive, Johnson gone after 2018, and Pearce will take some time to get back to full game strength.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 9:30am
                Don Freo said | October 24th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

                Pearce and Logue can go foirward. Pearce has played just as much at CHF as down back so far. Naughton also kicked 2 big goals for Peel leading up to the finals.

                It would be great to have Pearce, Cox, Logue, Naughton and Johnson as all capable swingmen to support Apeness, Taberner and McCarthy. Apart from Johnno, they are all 10 year big men.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 9:37am
                Macca said | October 24th 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

                10 years from now or when they started? Taberner is currently 24 – not sure he will make 34, Apeness will be 23 before the next season starts, McCarthy not long after while Pearce is 22 – big ask to expect all of them to be still playing at 32 and beyond.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 9:42am
                Don Freo said | October 24th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

                Good counting Macca. We all know their ages.

                Yes. What I have said. No correction required. In 10 years time you can go back to talking about how old Freo’s list is then. Marc Murphy will be 41 then.

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                October 24th 2017 @ 1:03pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | October 24th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

                Pearce will need to do a power of work on his kicking before he could make that transition forward. He lacked a lot of penetration and power when he last went forward. It’d also be good for him to develop down back a bit when he comes back, rather than throw him around too much. Logue too would benefit from a few seasons playing in the backline, he needs to work on his intuitive playing knowledge of the game and going forward can just mess with that.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 2:54pm
                Macca said | October 24th 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

                OK Don – you believe that – I think you will be as accurate as all your other predictions (ie not at all) but if you want to believe it knock yourself out.

                My only real surprise is that you don’t have Sandilands still running around in a decade.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:26pm
            13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:26pm | ! Report

            West Coast should really look at Tim Kelly and Hayden Schloithe with their picks in the 20s. Losing Priddis and Mitchell means a real lack of ball winners in the middle of the ground, they really only have Shuey so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if WCE go for some mature aged recruits with their picks.
            I also suspect they will take Liam Ryan but if hes still there at 42 Freo must take him!

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 7:35pm
              Mattician6x6 said | October 23rd 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

              I reckon wce will take Kelly, Ryan and Brandon starcevich with schloithe a smoky with a later pick

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 8:50pm
                13th Man said | October 23rd 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

                Don’t know much about Starcevich but certainly Kelly and Ryan will be very good players for you. Might mean you can finally not play Josh Hill!!
                I do hope Schloithe gets a go somewhere, much improved player from when he was on Freo’s rookie list.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 9:37pm
                Don Freo said | October 23rd 2017 @ 9:37pm | ! Report

                Starcevich is built like a bull. Look at his highlight reel on It is all just crazy 2nd and 3rd efforts, especially tackling. He’d suit either WA side but WC should make him a priority.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 10:53pm
                rusty said | October 23rd 2017 @ 10:53pm | ! Report

                I reckon freo will hedge their bets and take the best player available at pick 2 and Naughton at 5. That would be fine by me because Naughton is a very good player and has proven himself against men already- unlike the vic prospects. All-Australian as well.

                West Coast are cunning getting alot of picks in the 20’s. They will take Sam Taylor from swan districts- another all-Australian who has played against men and shone in the finals. They will also look at Oscar Allen but it’s after that things will get interesting because I think the two WA clubs will fight over Kelly, Schloithe and Ryan.

            • October 24th 2017 @ 2:01am
              dontknowmuchaboutfootball said | October 24th 2017 @ 2:01am | ! Report

              I don’t think Schloithe will go that early, simply because he’s already been on and off a list. That’s not to say I think he doesn’t deserve to go in the second or third round — just that I think clubs might think him too much of a risk to choose him then.

              • October 24th 2017 @ 9:24am
                Mattician6x6 said | October 24th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

                Schloithe is a late selection/rookie list player. At his age he is the type to slip through to the keeper.

    • Roar Guru

      October 23rd 2017 @ 11:47am
      Cat said | October 23rd 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

      I know it gets harder to predict the further is goes but any plans on Phantom draft past pick 20? If not have any guesses on the players the Cats will look at with their pick 22 and 24? Maybe not even the exact players, but what type do you see them looking at?
      For mine I’d like them to find small forward. Also, another player that can break the lines, a run and carry type and possibly a small defender.

      • October 23rd 2017 @ 12:57pm
        Harsh Truth Harry said | October 23rd 2017 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

        Difficult to know with the Cats as they simply don’t go to the draft enough, usually relying on top up players rather than trying to develop their own. I’m amazed they didn’t trade both away actually.

        • Roar Guru

          October 23rd 2017 @ 2:38pm
          Cat said | October 23rd 2017 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

          What a rubbish comment. Do you actually have any footy knowledge at all or are you just a turd stirrer?

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 2:42pm
            Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            Cat – “Do you actually have any footy knowledge at all or are you just a turd stirrer?” Do you really need to ask that? HTH is yet to make one comment on this thread that has conveyed any sort of insight into football on passed on any football knowledge. Every comment is just a biased partisan cliché.

            He is of course entitled to his “opinion” but considering how frequently his “opinion” is contradicted by facts his “opinion” clearly isn’t worth a cracker.

            • October 23rd 2017 @ 4:00pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 23rd 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

              Macca, your opinion is Carlton has built the best list in the competition….facts dispute that while you remain glued to the bottom four collecting wooden spoons…my Bombers pick starts at 48 so the draft this year is a moot point as our next flag list, Unlike Carlton or Geelong, has already been built.

              • October 23rd 2017 @ 4:26pm
                Macca said | October 23rd 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

                HTH – the facts only dispute “my opinion” because you are making up what “my opinion” is.

                You made the claim a while back now you were here to challenge people but here is a little hint – making something up just to criticise isn’t challenging anyone. It also isn’t much of a “harsh truth” if it isn’t true.

                As for the bombers next flag – how about you aim for winning a final for the first time in 13 years (even getting close in a final will be a big step forward) before polishing the silverware.

          • October 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm
            Billy said | October 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

            What is Geelong’s first pick?

          • October 24th 2017 @ 12:03am
            Billy said | October 24th 2017 @ 12:03am | ! Report

            I do seem to recall a recent article in the Roar that made a very similar point, with Geelong moving away from the “cat factory” to recruiting established players. Hence the level of young Geelong players being at best “average”. Couple that with Geelongs incredibly poor finals record over recent years ,there Is likely to be a bit of pain coming for the Cats.