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Michael Cheika and the lip readers

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    It has been widely reported by the world’s rugby media that Michael Cheika muttered some dodgy words under his breath while in the stands during Australia’s last match against England at Twickenham.

    The issue here is not whether or not Cheika actually said anything or more importantly what he said.

    Apparently he may face disciplinary action because of it. This is a load of rubbish, why are we lip reading people in stadiums?

    What Cheika said or did not say is largely irrelevant as he did not say it to anyone’s face or in the company of anyone who was deserving of his words. There is an old question lurking around the internet that goes something like ‘If a tree falls down in a remote place and no one is there to witness it, did it make a noise?’

    The answer is obvious to most but when you think about it a little longer you realise that the answer is not actually that clear.

    The fact of the matter is that people as in the case of Mr Cheika should quite frankly whisper, mutter or even think whatever he wants, if he thinks the ref is a chop then let him say it to himself.

    Should he make the mistake of telling the world in an audible tone that the masses that matter can hear, then it is 100 per cent a different story.

    Don’t worry Mr Cheika, there is nothing wrong with what you did and those that think there is are not worthy of engagement.

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    • December 16th 2017 @ 3:37am
      StevieB said | December 16th 2017 @ 3:37am | ! Report

      Coherent thought and comment is not encouraged on The Roar.

      • Roar Rookie

        December 16th 2017 @ 4:44am
        tsuru said | December 16th 2017 @ 4:44am | ! Report

        Coherent thought and comment are always encouraged and appreciated on “The Roar,” but they are not always practised. And thanks Gavin for your coherent and concise comment on this. I agree with what you say. I feel that focusing a camera on the coach’s box in the hopes of lip reading something scandalous is an invasion of privacy akin to trying to listen through the wall to what is going on in the adjoining room.

        • Roar Guru

          December 16th 2017 @ 5:59am
          Carlos the Argie said | December 16th 2017 @ 5:59am | ! Report

          The moment he takes this “public” job and is aware that the cameras are or could be on him at any time reduces his sphere of privacy quite significantly. They are not “peeping” into his living room.

          He can think and say what he wants, but once he says it, he should accept the consequences of being in the public domain.

          I do agree that the “public domain” is voraciously hungry for issues like this, so he should not provide them the ammunition.

          He can then go home, swear at the TV and kick the cat if that helps him release tension.

          • December 16th 2017 @ 7:30am
            Fionn said | December 16th 2017 @ 7:30am | ! Report

            Carlos, totally agreed.

            • December 16th 2017 @ 7:45am
              Ruckin Oaf said | December 16th 2017 @ 7:45am | ! Report

              If you know that you’ll be sitting in a big glass box where you can be viewed by thousands of people you can’t really complain about a lack of privacy.

            • December 17th 2017 @ 4:31pm
              cuw said | December 17th 2017 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

              in those times i wonder what will happen , if the cameras get in his face like those in footy do.

              or even in 7S where the cameras are “IN” the huddle and showing the agitation of all…

              or like in France where the coaches are on the sidelines 🙂

          • December 16th 2017 @ 8:19am
            soapit said | December 16th 2017 @ 8:19am | ! Report

            not even at any time. he was aware they were definitely on him the whole time.

          • December 16th 2017 @ 8:21am
            woodart said | December 16th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

            agree totally carlos

          • Roar Rookie

            December 16th 2017 @ 9:43am
            ChrisG said | December 16th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

            I agree. He’s not in the privacy of his own home. He’s in a public place where behaving badly is visible. There’s no tree in the forest thing happening here.

            • December 17th 2017 @ 8:38am
              Realist said | December 17th 2017 @ 8:38am | ! Report

              He’s such a disaster with his embarrassing behaviour, favouritism in selection and let’s face it -performance. he has been an absolute disaster.
              Take away the dead test victory over an under gunned All Blacks and the lucky streak against beatable sides at the last rugby World Cup – Chieka has had a pretty shocking record
              Not being able to get up in ANY of those tests against England in our own backyard speaks volumes. Phipps and Foley were instrumental in losing that series

              • December 17th 2017 @ 9:21am
                Drongo said | December 17th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

                You are correct. Cheika coached the Wallabies to a great test victory against the mighty All Blacks in 2017. The only match the All Blacks lost against another test playing nation in 2017. He deserves full credit for this achievement.
                As for the alleged swearing, big deal, I live in the real world, often mix with cattleman and tradesmen, as well as QC’s and that language is common and normal.
                My kids play sport at an elite level and understand the emotional response to negative decisions. They manage to control their own responses ( 99% of the time, not always) but understand that others may not.
                Keep the passion, Micheal Cheika, don’t change that at all. Just change one thing, drop Foley and select the best 5/8 available.

              • December 18th 2017 @ 2:34pm
                Jock Cornet said | December 18th 2017 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

                You are kidding. Cheika got us a to a World Cup final with rubbish cattle

              • December 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm
                bluffboy said | December 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

                It is a fair point you make Jock other than the Scotland game.
                The Rugby landscape would be completely different if that game already had the script written or mumble mumble cheats. Also I’m not sure the cattle has improved greatly.

              • December 18th 2017 @ 11:08pm
                Jock Cornet said | December 18th 2017 @ 11:08pm | ! Report

                I’m a Scot and was at that game and believe the walllabies were the better side, scoring more tries . Great game

              • December 19th 2017 @ 8:20am
                bluffboy said | December 19th 2017 @ 8:20am | ! Report

                slangevar Jock, I’m neither Scott nor Aussie.
                I wasn’t lucky enough to be there, but did watch the game live with several of your countrymen and quite a few token Wallabies.
                The consensus was 100% in the room Scotland were ripped off.
                To say that Wallabies were the better side all day is a stretch considering the game was decided by a dubious call. I could be wrong, but the pressure that came down on Craig Joubert forced his retirement.
                Anyway my comment was more point at Cheika, the way he carries on when he thinks the game is rigged pretty sure he hasn’t lost a game with that muck controversy.

              • December 19th 2017 @ 8:59am
                bluffboy said | December 19th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

                Sorry Jock about the spelling errors.
                I have sausage fingers and lets face it, not that smart……

              • December 20th 2017 @ 11:38am
                taylorman said | December 20th 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

                They were the better side, because they gifted many of the Scot points through silly errors, yet scored their own.

                That Scotland were ripped off is a separate issue. Joubert made an incorrect call, as confirmed by World rugby, so the penalty decision was incorrect.

                Those are the facts.

          • December 18th 2017 @ 6:25am
            Morsie said | December 18th 2017 @ 6:25am | ! Report

            Carlos, Fionn etc – And try to lip read what he says and then try to make a s*** storm out of it? Rubbish.

            Gavin the article and you are exactly correct. Its the real world.

            • Roar Guru

              December 18th 2017 @ 10:50am
              Carlos the Argie said | December 18th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

              I guess you missed the points.

              • December 18th 2017 @ 9:41pm
                Morsie said | December 18th 2017 @ 9:41pm | ! Report

                Mitch Marsh was right.

            • December 18th 2017 @ 9:28pm
              Jacko said | December 18th 2017 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

              MORSIE…I dont lipread but he could have yelled it from the rooftops and it could not have been any clearer…But if you find it accepable for a coach to yell that sort of thing then that is your standards,,,,They do vary massively from the rest of the world tho

          • December 18th 2017 @ 12:31pm
            Ian said | December 18th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

            I saw Cheika eat an onion while looking at his watch!!!!!!

            Hanging offences, both of them…..then add this on top!

            I’m outraged…..offended!!!….even before he did it.

            • December 18th 2017 @ 9:39pm
              Jacko said | December 18th 2017 @ 9:39pm | ! Report

              Oh hillarious Ian…Eating an Onion and looking at your watch is No different to calling a ref A F..Ing Cheat eh???
              Interesting standards you have

            • December 20th 2017 @ 5:09am
              Taylorman said | December 20th 2017 @ 5:09am | ! Report

              Red or brown onion?

      • December 16th 2017 @ 6:04pm
        Kieron said | December 16th 2017 @ 6:04pm | ! Report

        Gavin, you must be Michael Cheika is disguise..

    • December 16th 2017 @ 5:25am
      englishbob said | December 16th 2017 @ 5:25am | ! Report

      Agreed Gavin. In the race for ‘professionalism’ there seems to be a media, not shared by the fans largely, outrage that players and coaches swear when things don’t go their way.

      As invested as we get as fans, we trudge through turnstiles and pay our hard earned money to watch professionals make mistakes that defy the logic of even the most sedentary of arm chair pundits, professional athletes and coaches eat, sleep, live and breath their games and a bad one can ruin a week/month/year/career.

      However one of the nice additions to watching aussie sport as a brit is that the language is generally a bit coarser, but funnier and never offensive.

      As an addition though, I don’t like Chek’s constant bellyaching, whether he swears or not is almost immaterial. He shouldn’t sarcastically clap referee calls he doesn’t like and shouldn’t whinge in post match conferences. This is rugby union, not league, not football, we DO NOT have a go at the officials in public.

      • December 18th 2017 @ 9:47pm
        Jacko said | December 18th 2017 @ 9:47pm | ! Report

        EB Im with you on that…The swearing isnt an issue…Attacking the Ref with the “C” HEAT word was not acceptable

    • December 16th 2017 @ 6:22am
      Taylorman said | December 16th 2017 @ 6:22am | ! Report

      Ha ha. Youre actually comparing a sold out stadium with Cheika knowing cameras are on him specifically to capture his reaction to the ‘If a tree fell in the woods would anyone hear it’ cliche?

      Can’t honestly think of any other example that is more the complete opposite of that. Quite hilarious. Love your courage though. ?

    • December 16th 2017 @ 8:04am
      Red Block said | December 16th 2017 @ 8:04am | ! Report

      Frankly I don’t care what he says, let the results speak for themselves.

      A record loss to England and then Scotland in consecutive weeks, two draws against a really ordinary Springbok side, and a narrow win over Italy.

      Since the 2015 RWC, the win ratio for Cheika is at 45%. Rather than what Cheika says, I’m more bemused by the silence of his critics.

      If we are going to make change it needs to happen now.

      The real question is ‘Who is next in line?’

      • December 16th 2017 @ 10:57pm
        Over here said | December 16th 2017 @ 10:57pm | ! Report

        Agree. But I wish to play devils advocate for 30 seconds. I think there is light at the end of the tunnel but there is a possibility its another train coming. I hated Chieka last year before the England tests for bringing back the old fogies such as Horwill et al but now I think he’s switched train lines and is backing our young guys. So maybe that isn’t a train coming down the tunnel after all 😉

      • December 17th 2017 @ 6:40am
        Taylorman said | December 17th 2017 @ 6:40am | ! Report


        • December 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm
          Jacko said | December 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

          Tman that would upset PererK and TWAS…Did you see that Saracens lost again over the weekend…Neutral wont believe it tho…Maybe its all the ABs in the Clermont side that did it

          • December 20th 2017 @ 11:39am
            taylorman said | December 20th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

            Or lack of them (or enough) in the Saracens side?

    • December 16th 2017 @ 8:08am
      The Electronic Swagman said | December 16th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

      The essence of communication is, well, communication. If you purposely stare at a camera which you know is trained on you and mutter not once, but twice, “ cheat” then you have said “f…ing cheat”. You can then be rightfully castigated for your borish, unsportsmanlike and amateur behaviour. Even then someone will write an article defending you.

    • Roar Pro

      December 16th 2017 @ 8:08am
      swamprat said | December 16th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

      I’m a professional lip reader/consultant. He said (I quote) faking rubbery if that was a peanut tree my mast is a fire hydrant.

      • December 16th 2017 @ 10:59pm
        Over here said | December 16th 2017 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

        Please THE ROAR, can we have a like icon because swampy, your comment deserves one 😉

        • Roar Rookie

          December 17th 2017 @ 4:09pm
          ChrisG said | December 17th 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

          Classic but LOL will have to do in the meantime