Rain and rotten luck can’t keep Carlton from securing AFLW win

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    When the Carlton Blues AFLW team travelled to Drummoyne Oval in Sydney to face the GWS Giants they were without two of their key leaders and their coach.

    Blues coach Damien Keeping is currently in hospital while Lauren Arnell and Madeline Keryk were both unavailable for the match.

    Oh – and Carlton’s captain Brianna Davey went down in the final quarter with a knee injury also. The Blues must have walked under a few ladders this week.

    To make matters worse for both teams, the massive downpour of rain and some rumbling of thunder – most of it in the distance, some of it very much not in the distance – put a damper on the first quarter and delayed the start of the second.

    It was GWS who struck first – Phoebe McWilliams calmly converted a set shot shortly after the match started, and the Giants looked to be on top.

    That came to end pretty quickly though, especially as the weather picked up. The rain seemed to favour the Blues and they dominated possession for the rest of the quarter.

    The bad news for Carlton was that all they could manage was a string of behinds, and that was the case even into the second term, when at one point they actually took the lead by virtue of scoring seven behinds to one goal.

    A pair of ripping goals first from Nic Stevens in the second quarter and then Katie Loynes in the third gave the Blues a decisive advantage however, while the Giants struggled to get near their sticks let alone put the ball through them.

    Things went from bad to worse for the home side when they conceded a free kick to Darcy Vescio directly in front of goal shortly before the end of the third term, and she made no mistake.

    The final term was a quiet one with neither side able to put a major score through, though Carlton pelted on a few more behinds to make the final margin 21 points.

    No one would call it a skillful display of footy in the end with the conditions seriously affecting both sides’ abilities to execute, but you couldn’t fault the commitment and effort of both teams, while the goals from Stevens and Loynes provided a bit of thrill factor.

    A well-deserved win for the Blues, who adapted better to the conditions and were victorious for it.

    GWS Giants 1.3 (9)
    Carlton Blues 3.12 (30)

    Josh Elliott
    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • February 9th 2018 @ 9:19pm
      Blue said | February 9th 2018 @ 9:19pm | ! Report

      Gil’s memo didn’t do much good. 1 goal to GWS for the whole game, 1 major in Q1 and none in Q4. Hardly the attractive, attacking footy he was looking for. They’ll need some rule tweaks if the rest of the round doesn’t improve.

      • Roar Guru

        February 9th 2018 @ 9:29pm
        Cat said | February 9th 2018 @ 9:29pm | ! Report

        Torrential downpour and a soggy ground … plenty of men’s games struggle to score in those conditions too

        • February 9th 2018 @ 9:36pm
          Blue said | February 9th 2018 @ 9:36pm | ! Report

          GWS scored 1 goal for the match. Nobody scored a goal in Q4. Results like that in anything over U10s are very, very rare.

          Admitting there’s a problem is not the same as being a raging misogynist – they need to tweak a few things or the TV right will be worth zero and the AFLW will never be self-funding.

          • Roar Guru

            February 9th 2018 @ 10:05pm
            Cat said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

            I’m well aware of the score. You just said it in your previous post and I watched the game. Scoring needs to improve. No one has denied it. But to sit there and think the women playing a shorter game in extremely wet conditions are ever going to kick the score of a dry and much longer men’s game is delusional. Most freshly drafted male players have spent 10 or more consecutive years playing footy. These women have never had that opportunity so to expect them to be the same standard is just foolhardy at best, wilfully ignorant at worst.

          • February 9th 2018 @ 10:05pm
            McNaulty said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

            Also every goal was from a free kick presented in front.

            • February 9th 2018 @ 10:43pm
              Maggie said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:43pm | ! Report

              That is simply not true.

            • Roar Guru

              February 9th 2018 @ 11:03pm
              Cat said | February 9th 2018 @ 11:03pm | ! Report

              Absolutely false.

          • Roar Guru

            February 10th 2018 @ 5:19am
            The_Wookie said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:19am | ! Report

            1991 at the Western Oval, Carlton kicked 1.10 for the game. The only goal scored by Mark arceri late in time on in the last quarter.

            • February 10th 2018 @ 5:46am
              jeff dustby said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:46am | ! Report

              so about 3000 games ago?

              • Roar Guru

                February 10th 2018 @ 5:55am
                The_Wookie said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:55am | ! Report

                point is – it happens – and these were AFL footballers.

            • February 10th 2018 @ 10:40am
              Blue said | February 10th 2018 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              “1991 at the Western Oval”.
              Yes, they’re very, very rare and run close to the lowest ever scores in the 100+ years of the foundation clubs’ histories. Many (most?) AFLW games have multiple quarters with no goals. It’s simply not what we’re used to seeing on a footy field. Either we’ll all come to accept it as a quite different game or the league will intervene to pump up the scoring.

              • February 11th 2018 @ 3:07am
                mattyb said | February 11th 2018 @ 3:07am | ! Report

                What a shocking argument….in 1991?

    • Columnist

      February 9th 2018 @ 9:28pm
      Stuart Thomas said | February 9th 2018 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

      Weather didn’t help but there is still some validity in what you say.

      • February 10th 2018 @ 5:47am
        jeff dustby said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:47am | ! Report

        correct but the fan boys wont admit it

    • February 9th 2018 @ 10:20pm
      McNaulty said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:20pm | ! Report

      The AFL get it.
      Yes, they have phenomenal crowd pull with those Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide fans. Yes, the corporates have gone nuts for this and bought right into it.
      What is being produced is simply not good enough and rules need to be brought in that will make it at least presentable. The quality of womens sport that is now forced to sit behind AFL in the pecking order is unbelievable. Soccer, netball, cricket have be striving for years and the product they are presenting to sports fans is terrific whilst getting by on the smell of an oily rag.
      The least AFL can do with this opportunity is present something watchable. Seriously, tonight I had the remote ready for the cringe worthy moment that nobody should watch.

      • Roar Guru

        February 10th 2018 @ 5:21am
        The_Wookie said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:21am | ! Report

        “forced”. Like the AFL owes other sports any kind of leeway. The AFL isnt responsible for the negligence or incompetence of other codes in promoting their own. Hell, even Netball rebranded and is actively using AFL clubs as a booster for their comp.

        • February 10th 2018 @ 7:05pm
          Kangajets said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:05pm | ! Report


          I’ve never seen a bunch of defensive people as the afl people. Grow up

          Accept other people have opinions

          • Roar Guru

            February 10th 2018 @ 7:11pm
            Cat said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:11pm | ! Report

            Says the guy running around defensively name calling everyone who won’t buy into his ‘opinion’.

    • February 9th 2018 @ 10:22pm
      Aligee said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:22pm | ! Report

      Skill factor is an issue and quite rightly posters can bring it up without being accused of this that and the other.

      It wont change in the short term.

      Womens footy ATM is what it is.

      Having said that it did not deter 4,500+ people from Drummoyne oval tonight.

      Girls interested in it see past what you guys see

      • February 9th 2018 @ 10:49pm
        McNaulty said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:49pm | ! Report

        Tonight might well have been demotivational to girls who watched it. Thats what worries me. They should have been watching W-League or W Big Bash or something of a similar top quality. With girls that have slugged it out for years before getting onto TV and into lounge rooms.
        One thing about the Olympics is it may only come around once every four years but the girls that are there have obviously been prep’ing hard for many, many years and they look awesome when they preform. That I think has long inspired many young girls.
        AFL needs to be conscious of its responsibility to womens sport.

        • Roar Guru

          February 9th 2018 @ 10:59pm
          Cat said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

          You have failed to provide any reasoning or evidence of this demotivation’. You are however, very much coming across as a code warrior that is just jealous that the AFL is the biggest code in Australia and has done a far, far, far better job of promoting their nascent women’s code than other sporting bodies have done despite having years and years head start.

          • February 9th 2018 @ 11:27pm
            Aligee said | February 9th 2018 @ 11:27pm | ! Report

            Yep, certainly sounds like he has a beef.

          • Roar Guru

            February 10th 2018 @ 12:04am
            AdelaideDocker said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:04am | ! Report

            Fantastically summarised, Cat. I couldn’t agree more!

            • February 10th 2018 @ 12:36am
              Lion tamer said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:36am | ! Report

              Keep your head in the sand guys .

              You are so defensive when someone has an opinion that doesn’t suit your afl narrative.

              As an afl fan , I can tell you that’s bad footy.
              Now gang up and call me something as u do to others .

              Bad footy is bad footy, men or women .

              • Roar Guru

                February 10th 2018 @ 1:11am
                AdelaideDocker said | February 10th 2018 @ 1:11am | ! Report

                Rebutting a flawed argument doesn’t equate to being overtly defensive in much the same way that criticising AFLW regularly doesn’t equate to legitimately caring about the code and trying to improve it.

                I think you’ll find that we acknowledge that the AFLW has some flaws, but are largely optimistic about the still young competition. On the contrary, you’ll find most of the constant naysayers about women’s footy rely a lot on their preconditioned ideas about women’s sport and back up their ‘claims’ using hyperbole, exaggeration, and, occasionally, just plain lies. They’re becoming increasingly irrelevant, and seem to want their ideas to stay in mainstream thought.

              • February 10th 2018 @ 5:14pm
                Big Country said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

                In the spirit of your post AD……..

                And pointing out such rebubuttle is equally flawed isn’t being overtly sexist in much the same way that supporting AFLW regularly doesn’t equate to legitimately caring about the code and trying to improve it.

                I think you’ll find that we do point out the AFLW has real, obivious flaws, but most are largely optimistic about the still young competition. On the contrary, you’ll find most of the fanatical supporters women’s footy rely a lot on their preconditioned ideaogly about women’s sport and back up their ‘claims’ using hyperbole, exaggeration, and, occasionally, just plain lies. They’re making themselves become increasingly irrelevant because of this, and seem to want their ideas to become mainstream thought because they can’t simply get over the fact, that yes, that men and women are different and that the AFLW could possibly end up failing…..

                And as for people arguing on emotion rather then facts, just look at posts in various AFLW articles where people have been labled 6 ways till sunday just because they say they don’t watch it (after an initial viewing) beacuse they aprreciate a higher standard of competition, when everybody basically admits that yes, it could be a lot better.

        • February 10th 2018 @ 12:07am
          Maggie said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:07am | ! Report

          It certainly wasn’t demotivational to any of the girls or women in the area I was standing in (including in the torrential rain). Nor for that matter to any of the boys and men – I didn’t hear a single negative comment about the play or players from those at the ground (although there were groans when marks were dropped and on the several occasions when the ball scraped the goal post to deny a goal).

          On the other hand the umpires were the target of a few insults. Some things never change …..

          • February 10th 2018 @ 7:52am
            I ate pies said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:52am | ! Report

            Oh it was wonderful, wasn’t it! They really are wonder women.

        • Roar Guru

          February 10th 2018 @ 5:27am
          The_Wookie said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:27am | ! Report

          The AFL doesnt have a responsibility to womens sport. The AFL has a responsibility to Australian Football, and its own grass roots.

          If you want to see how girls and women have been inspired then by far the biggest part of AFLW is its impact on grassroots community clubs – 700 new club teams for girls and women in 12 months, and near on 1,000 since AFLW was announced. 76% increase in registered club players alone last year. Those figures dont include Auskick, social footy or school participation either.

      • February 10th 2018 @ 5:48am
        jeff dustby said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:48am | ! Report

        who did the counting of the crowd?

        • Roar Guru

          February 10th 2018 @ 5:53am
          The_Wookie said | February 10th 2018 @ 5:53am | ! Report

          Presumably someone from the AFL. Official crowd was 4,952.

          • Roar Guru

            February 10th 2018 @ 7:03am
            Rick Disnick said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:03am | ! Report

            Will be the largest crowd in Sydney for the weekend that.

          • February 10th 2018 @ 11:18am
            Mat said | February 10th 2018 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            I live near the oval and have been there many, many times. The crowd was somewhere just over 2k before the rain. The “official” figure is either a joke or the AFL is treating people like idiots.

            • Roar Guru

              February 10th 2018 @ 6:42pm
              Cat said | February 10th 2018 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

              I do love you people, The AFL can’t possibly count crowds accurately … but I can! … seriously do you even think about your claims before your type?

              • February 10th 2018 @ 7:07pm
                Lion tamer said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:07pm | ! Report

                Do they use a lady to do head counts still

        • February 10th 2018 @ 7:01am
          Maggie said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:01am | ! Report

          Counting the crowd number is not difficult at Drummoyne Oval as entry is through one of three gates. There were queues for bag security checks so entry was quite orderly. Oval officials needed to know the crowd number for safety reasons in case it reached ‘lock out’ numbers. I read that lock out at Drummoyne is 5,000 – if that is true the entry crowd of 4,952 was just under the figure.

          • Roar Guru

            February 10th 2018 @ 7:06am
            Rick Disnick said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:06am | ! Report

            Didn’t you hear?… the AFL uses some Alan Turing prodigy to count their crowds.

          • February 10th 2018 @ 9:34am
            chappy said | February 10th 2018 @ 9:34am | ! Report

            Just watch the highlight of that game. If lockout at Drummoyne is 5,000 and they got 4,952 there was a lot empty space on the hills and in the grandstand.

            Bit of creative counting by the AFL on this one.

            • Roar Guru

              February 10th 2018 @ 9:44am
              Cat said | February 10th 2018 @ 9:44am | ! Report

              Let me guess, you did your counting after the multiple lightning strikes and the bucketing down rain that saw the game halted for half an hour or so and sent many people home.

              • February 10th 2018 @ 12:20pm
                Maggie said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

                Exactly right Cat. That’s why I referred to ‘the entry crowd of 4,952’.

                I estimate about half the crowd left when play was stopped for 30 minutes for the electrical storm. There was no shelter for those of us not in the restricted stands, except under trees which was in itself dangerous with lightning very close to the ground. I was actually very impressed by how many stayed.

              • February 10th 2018 @ 2:09pm
                chappy said | February 10th 2018 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

                They must have counted the crowd going in than going out. Smart! you double the crowd.

            • February 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm
              Mike said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

              Why exactly were they playing at Drummoyne?? It is inner west Sydney and far removed from what GWS is supposed to represent. It seems the GWS franchise moves further east each year. They’ve gone from Blacktown to Homebush to Drummoyne. They may as well just co tenant with the Swans at the SCG.

              • February 10th 2018 @ 7:08pm
                Lion tamer said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:08pm | ! Report

                Just so funny to see all you arguing

            • Roar Guru

              February 12th 2018 @ 1:03pm
              Penster said | February 12th 2018 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

              I was there and most of the crowd left when the lightening was directly overhead. 4,900 might be correct. Having never been to Drummoyne Oval before it’s hard to tell, but I’d have guessed there was upwards of 4,000 there easily – entire girls footy teams and clubs with their banners were there. GWS put on an excellent footy clinic for U15 girls from the Sydney clubs prior to the game at 5.00pm and there was a queue at this point. We also brought a dog and he was probably counted so deduct 1 from the total.

    • February 9th 2018 @ 10:25pm
      Pope Paul VII said | February 9th 2018 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

      I understand they are trying to play on but they often did straight into trouble or put their teammates under pressure.. Perhaps following coaching instructions instead of instinct?

      Maybe the low scoring is due to Carlton’s superior fitness and defence though. Often they would have 2 or 3 on 1 in defence which is how it was vs Collies last week. Also they kicked 3 11 so really should have flogged them.

      • February 10th 2018 @ 12:28am
        Maggie said | February 10th 2018 @ 12:28am | ! Report

        I definitely think players have been coached to play on at every opportunity, including by handballing to another player running past. I noticed that last week from screen viewing but it was even more obvious live at the ground. I suspect the coaches are trying to take advantage of .the fact that most of these women are superb athletes and extremely fit. Also watching live I realised just how quick some of them are – very good runners.

        You are right that sometimes this heads them straight into trouble – better game sense will take longer to develop. But the set up and motivation is there for a very attacking game style. And isn’t that what people are looking for?

        I also agree that the main reason for the GWS low score was the excellent Carlton defence work. The women in all teams appear to be fierce defenders and bone-rattling tough tacklers.

    • Roar Pro

      February 9th 2018 @ 11:52pm
      anon said | February 9th 2018 @ 11:52pm | ! Report

      You can’t have teams scoring 1 goal in a game for a nationally televised game.

      Fremantle scored 0.0.0 up until half time last week.

      This is shambolic.

      Even u/12’s score more than this.

      • February 10th 2018 @ 7:14am
        Maggie said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:14am | ! Report

        Defensive pressure in junior football is nothing like that of the AFLW. These complaints about scoring completely undervalue the relentless, fierce defending of the women players. They never, ever back away from a contest.

        • February 10th 2018 @ 2:34pm
          I ate pies said | February 10th 2018 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

          They really are warriors aren’t they. Not all hero’s wear capes.

          • February 10th 2018 @ 7:09pm
            Lion tamer said | February 10th 2018 @ 7:09pm | ! Report

            Don’t bring Batman into this ?

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