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Commbank Stadium:
– built with $300m of public money
– with “safe standing’ areas specifically for soccer matches
– to be used by just 1 ALeague club…which is 100% privately owned.
– painted red and black
– is usually about 1/3 full.
Brainstrust: complains that the fans don’t get to sit on the shady side.
This worldview seems to capture a fair chunk of ALeague fan mentality.
Football in Australia must never stop fighting for its fair share of funding
chris1: “…more and more people are starting to realise what a parasitic organisation the AFL are.:
Also chris1: “Give us $1billion for a stadium!”
😂
Football in Australia must never stop fighting for its fair share of funding
You can’t just ask (or expect) TEN to run more ads of the ALeague. It’s either in the contract, or its not.
The improvements needed to bring the A-Leagues back to prominence
“ 4) Negotiate separate TV deals for FTA and subscription. This is how it works for NRL, AFL and NBL.”
The FA and APL already tried this. They couldn’t find a FTA bidder.
The improvements needed to bring the A-Leagues back to prominence
The VFL started planning for Waverley in the 1950s. It was built and paid for in 1970. It was a move determined, in part, because the MCC/MCG tenancy deal was so restrictive.
Year later, the Vic Govt reneged on its promise to build heavy rail out to Waverley, and so the AFL was forced to move back to the city.
It sold Waverley for $30m, put that money into the construction of Docklands Stadium, agreed to play 40+ games per year at the new stadium.
In return, it could purchase Docklands for $1 by 2025. As it happened, the AFL purchased Docklands earlier than expected for about $200m.
It now owns this $billion asset outright.
This extraordinary result started with the planning for Waverley back in the 50s. To cast the Waverley episode as some kind of investment misstep, is pretty funny.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
Thanks, I hadn’t realised that.
$10m from the NRL – that’s fantastic.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
“…the best AFL deal in the land is Gold Coast Suns where they get the whole stadium lock stock and barrel including naming rights for the whole year for free.”
Um…the AFL contributed $14m to Metricon Stadium.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
“just build it!”
Simples.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
“…the Matilda’s and Socceroos are national sporting programs and deserve government backing.”
Of course they do. We all agree with that. But there’s 2 glaring factors that few people here acknowledge:
1. They already get massive government backing
– The Matildas currently have a dedicated home at LaTrobe Sports Park (Vic Govt $101m, Cth Govt $15m). The Socceroos should share that facility.
– Both teams play all their matches in stadiums that are 100% govt-funded. This includes Accor Stadium which has just received $810m of govt funding, SFS which had $828m, CommBank which had $300m, AAMI Park which had $270m, etc etc.
2. Rather than discuss how to get more money for dedicated infrastructure for national teams (if indeed that is warranted), most people on this tab think the only strategy is to whine and blame other sports. To date, that’s a strategy that hasn’t yielded results.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
This is written by someone who clearly has no knowledge of how Docklands Stadium was created.
Docklands was built with 100% private money and only exists because the AFL agreed to move 40+ games there per year.
The MCG, despite being a state-owned asset, has had remarkably little government funding, and instead relies on funds from the MCC Trust, which gets the bulk of its money from AFL revenue.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
Seriously?
Well the GABBA is over 100 years old. I’m not sure when the last upgrades were done, I think in around 2005, and the Qld Govt paid for it. Without AFL games, it would probably still be a dilapidated cricket ground.
The NRL is an easy one. It has never put in a cent for a stadium anywhere, like Football Australia, and instead waits for governments to announce the next billion dollar staduim spend.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
How about LaTrobe Sports Park with the Matildas?
The Vic Govt has already contributed $101m.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
I did chuckle when “Tarniet stadium” was held up as the model to follow.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
chris1 perfectly encapsulates the “missing the point” response.
It’s not about preferring soccer over tennis or AFL or hockey.
It’s not about we “deserve this” or “deserve that”.
I’m pretty sure it’s not about “b ogans’. (Lord knows I’d never give the RBB that moniker).
It’s about how best to secure stadium funding.
You can get organised and come up with a plan. Or you can complain and hope that someone, somehow, someday pays for it all.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
So you’re saying that the retired Jeff Kennett is in cahoots with Albo? That’s a new one.
And of course it’s a cherry pick of just one example. I said it was.
Another cherry pick is Giants Stadium:
TOTAL $60m
NSW Govt – $45m
AFL – $10m
RAS – $5m
Same approach, different stadium, multi-use, various stakeholders etc, chip in some of your your own $…get a shovel ready.
Otherwise, continue the current strategy of complaining.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
I suspect many of this tab won’t like reading this, but here’s one example of how funding works…
The Hawthorn FC are building a new elite training complex (modelled on European football facilities), which is due to be completed in 2025. Other than being a home to HFC, it will also serve as a community facility for men’s and women’s sports.
TOTAL COST – $113m
Hawthorn FC – $73m
Cth Govt – $15m
Vic Govt – $15m
Local Council – $5m
AFL – $5m
Now people will of course argue that the Socceroos are a very important national entity and deserve its own home facility and yada yada yada.
But this is how you secure funding for a stadium – devise a proposal, do your own feasibility, spread it around different stakeholders, make it a public-use facility, approach various financiers/funders, stump up with your own money, and hey presto you’re breaking ground.
Holding your hand out and complaining just seems less effective in getting the thing you want.
'We are homeless': 'Frustrated' Arnie's plea as Socceroos train for crunch WC qualifier on rugby league fields
Hang on, there AFL doesn’t have an Olympics… or a World Cup..?!!
Someone should report this to the press.
The NFL has been acting like a fool and they don’t even know it!
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
I think Aerial Ping Pong works better, but CCV isn’t bad.
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
No it just started.
You didn’t watch Round 0, followed by Round 1?
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
“Football in this country, operates in a hostile media environment.”
Until very recently, all ALeague matches were broadcast on Australia’s biggest sporting platform – FoxSports.
And yet ALeague fans howled in delight when Fox decided to pull the pin.
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
“Need a passionate Aleague lover to win one of those stupid $100 million lotteries.”
There were media reports of this being on a whiteboard at APL HQ under “10-year strategic plan”.
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
“Even Geelong gets dudded. A big upcoming home game against Carlton will be held at the MCG, despite a beautiful new stadium in Geelong.”
Geelong arguably have the biggest advantage of any club.
They get their big home games at the G, in front of thousands of Melb-based Cats fans, and so have more ‘MCG practice’ than every other non-Melbourne club (and even more than StK, WB, and Norf).
And they play the rest of their home games at their Kardinia fortress in sleepy hollow, a stadium built for one club with 100% government money.
Sweet deal.
'Dripping in inequality and stupidity': Footy is back... and so is AFL interference
Please let’s not start with this silly SOO revival again.
State of Origin, as a sporting concept, was started by Australian Football.
It marked the bitter rivalry between WA/SA state leagues against the all-powerful VFL, who had raided the WA/SA players year after year. This rivalry peaked in the late 80s early 90s.
SOO died out after game fully nationalized with the introduction of the WCE and BB in 1987, the formalization of the AFL in 1990, and the additions of Adel, Port, Freo and to a lesser extent, GCS and GWS.
The NRL took SOO to another level, and arguably created a mid-season monster that overshadows the NRL season year after year.
The AFL doesn’t need it. We don’t want it.
'Dripping in inequality and stupidity': Footy is back... and so is AFL interference
“Do you think that Cross-Country Volleyball announced their Taswegian team just because they could or because there has been a lot of talk about Auckland.”
Brilliant.
Forget that a Tasmanian AFL team has been debated for decades (before the ALeague existed), or that the plans for a new team/stadium have been in the press for the past 2 years…it’s all designed to nullify any chatter of a new franchise from…Auckland.
(…insert Twilight music)
'Would be a tragedy': Can the Jets find a new owner, or are they about to spiral out of the A-League?
“I’d prefer to see a total change in emphasis in relation to stadiums. If you want a stadium, buy the land, fund it and build it – an end to government owned facilities.”
Huzzah!
This guy gets it.
Or… whilst funding the whole thing is probably out of reach, the thinking is bang on:
– PLAN for the thing you want
– do your own feasibility
– invite various stakeholders to get on board
– ensure it is a multi-use public facility
– chip in some of your own money
– go to the government and ask for the rest
– get a shovel, you’re under way.
Football in Australia must never stop fighting for its fair share of funding