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Good One Jim. That’s like asking the Board of IAG to return money to it’s shareholders instead of unilaterally remunerating themselves for a job poorly done. Rugby like all professional sport if not the nation more generally is victim to corruption and self interest. It is run by an elite for an elite and comes at the expense of everyone else.

Australia gets 'preferred candidate' status to host 2027 Rugby World Cup

They should have given it to the USA.

Australia gets 'preferred candidate' status to host 2027 Rugby World Cup

Rugby World Cup didn’t do much for the popularity of the code on the last two occasions. Yes, it gave it an initial boost but long term it had little impact.
Rugby League and AFL are so firmly engrained in the Australian sporting landscape and cultural psyche. Football too as far as participation is concerned. Their political influence is so pervasive that Rugby will continue to be crowded out. The only mitigating factor I can give for World Rugby handing the tournament to Australia for a third time, (I am including 1987) is that at least most of the matches will be in the Japanese time zone. That said, I can’t imagine that games at 5pm Sydney time will attract too many viewers in what is World Rugby’s fastest growing zone, the America’s.

Australia gets 'preferred candidate' status to host 2027 Rugby World Cup

Rugby IS a minority sport in Australia. Despite the “Old boys Club” granting Australia this favour it will continue to be a niche sport here whether on the face of it the World Cup is a success or not. Rugby is on a flogging to nothing in this country. I live in Australia, I am an Australian but I am also a Rugby supporter and I think that World Rugby has missed an opportunity here. This decision shows that World Rugby is still run by a club of entitled crusty old conservatives that are more concerned with looking after each other than the sport they purport to represent. They don’t even have the courage to come out and say that they have already given Australia the tournament.

Australia gets 'preferred candidate' status to host 2027 Rugby World Cup

Rennie says that he makes a point not to criticise referee’s and yet like Rassie Erasmus he is doing just that. He is “not going to go down that path of criticising the referee”, so he claims and then proceeds to do just that. Glad he’s a Rugby coach and not my barrister. Who ever said as he would appear to do, that referee’s were not accountable for their decisions. Of course they are. Sure, like players and coaches they don’t always get it 100% correct. In his haste NOT to criticise he points out that Kurtley Beale made an effort to tackle the player and not disrupt the ball. Well that may be how he interpreted it but that opinion is far from universally held. He claimed that the Welsh player was facing forward so therefore he must have knocked it on. Why should facing forward imply that the ball was propelled forward. Sure, It might have looked a bit messy, even a bit confusing but that does not mean that the referee made the wrong decision. Do I think that the game has become overly officious sure, the deliberate knock down law is a particular bug bear with me because it produces this kind of dispute, disputes that often take too much time out of the game, but do I agree with Rennie. No I do not.

LISTEN: Dave Rennie tears strips off referees, TMO in extraordinary post-match presser

Thanks for the good natured way in which you took my comments KCR. You are a good sport and you are of course, correct. It really is one big joke. 😂 As a wise man once said to me, “if you don’t laugh you’d cry” which fairly accurately sums up how I feel about the Wobblies. Oops !! 😢 Looks as though I’m at it again, I mean’t Wallaby’s. I am getting a bit clumsy with my spelling these days. I tend to drop the ball. Bit like the Wobblies who as coincidence would have it had yet another loss last night. Did you see it ? The renaissance would seem to be over before it had even begun KCR. What a crying shame !! Thanks again for your kind words. I look forward to your next post.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

KCR……. I notice you didn’t respond to my post. I was looking forward with great anticipation to you supplying the names of all those “elitist private school types” that are currently littering the Australian Rugby squad. By the way, is that the correct terminology for our national team now or should I be referring to them simply as, “The Wallaby’s.”

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

But you didn’t throw it in the bin KCR did you ? You recycled it. Thanks for that, The Roar does appreciate a blogger with a social conscience.

To address your concerns. It is not simple. It never has been simple. Everything, particularly sport is and sadly increasingly is becoming not just politicised but deeply entrenched into the political system. Ask Quinton De Kock or Israel Folau if participating in sport at the elite level is apolitical, or don’t their respective stands if you will excuse the pun pass your pub test ? Is Australia’s Rugby World Cup bid not guaranteed to be subsidised by both our Federal and State Governments ? Who asked them to do this on behalf of the Rugby Community, I didn’t.
Do you think that in turn they won’t demand for their supposed largesse (our money), a pound of flesh figuratively speaking. Of Course they will and the Rugby Union, like the beggars that they have become are prepared to grovel for every last crumb, even if it means cutting off it’s nose despite it’s face it will do so and in so doing push whatever social agenda the Political elite’s choose to throw at them. Everything is political KCR. Participation in Sport at a community level is political too. Sure the South African’s are using a blunt tool with quota’s but at least they are not as naive as Rugby Australia is to bite the hand that feeds it. The AFL are savvy in how they target and encourage participation at all levels across all demographics. Rugby is inept and relies almost exclusively on the Wallaby’s as a kind of one trick pony. This is a big mistake as I say and almost guarantee’s that whilst AFL blossoms into the premier winter code across the Nation Rugby stagnates and cements it’s position as a niche sport followed ostensibly by two to three percent of the population across only two of the Eastern seaboard states.

No doubt your comments though misguided were heartfelt and I thank you for highlighting the situation in South Africa. In doing so you highlight Authoritarianism and just how corroding it can be but in doing so, it would do well to remember that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Besides who needs quota’s in a country like a Australia that has in recent history been running the fastest growing per capita immigration programme in the Western World. As for your claim that Rugby is a game for elitists. I ask you, How many of the current Wallaby squad are in fact as you put it “Elite Private School type’s”. Kurtley Beale I hear you say. Well sure, He was given a scholarship, surely you can not begrudge the young man this benevolence. You are echoing the past. Football and AFL are as popular if not more so, than Rugby in many if not most of the private schools in 2021. Stop mythologising. If we are bound to disagree and I suspect we are, then at least a detente might be reached by acknowledging that it is one way or another – not a level playing field.
I guess George Orwell was right when he wrote, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”. In the three quarters of a century since he first published this attack on all types of Authoritarianism, not just Communism, it would seem that little or everything, all and nothing has changed but I guess qualifying such a statement will depend largely on one’s own perspective KCR – don’t rubbish it.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

So now you are telling me how I should feel. What is this “Brave New World”. To me, that is skating close to Authoritarianism. So much hand wringing from social commentators such as yourself about a fair representation of cosmopolitan Australia. See Adam Smith’s remark several posts back, but when the shoe is on the other foot and someone dares to speak out and tell it, as they see it, from their perspective, it is sanctimoniously condemned out of hand. Well, the jokes on the Wallaby’s because Australia has already spoken and people have stopped watching. The statistics don’t lie, Rugby is on the ropes in this country and no amount of whitewashing by social commentators or Rugby Australia will change that.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

I guess that’s true but like the Pacifika population they do only represent 2 – 3 % of the overall population depending on which statistical data you reference of course. Good point though. You made my point perfectly.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

International Rugby if not International sport has become a dogs breakfast. National teams are operating like glorified club teams. Can’t get a player on the pitch because he hasn’t got the appropriate credentials, not a problem. A quick phone call to your local MP should see you right. Government’s in this country have proved themselves more than willing to bend over backwards to sporting body’s in this country if it means doing them a favour in return. You scratch my back and all that. More than ready for instance to pass an amendment through the senate long after midnight if it will give Team Australia an edge. Neo-Con Governments have de-nationalised everything else why not nationalise a few elite foreign athletes. The irony is that as National Leagues become increasingly more cosmopolitan the import of International sport or representing “One’s” nation as we used to know it grows comparatively weaker. Let’s face it, would you rather play football for Chelsea or for Chile and if it came to choosing one over the other as on occasion players must do, I am fairly certain I know what most young boys from the back streets of Santiago would choose. The paradigm has shifted. Australian and New Zealand Rugby must begin to understand the big money flowing into Rugby is and will increasingly be for the top leagues. International Rugby will stagnate or be increasingly constricted as a result.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

I totally agree with you Sheek. The Romance of International Rugby is lost, at least it is for me. It looked as though there were more Australians in the Japanese Rugby team two weeks ago than in the Australian side. If heritage matters I wonder why I bother to follow the Wallaby’s at all. The answer of course is that many of us don’t. The composite team that we now call the Wallaby’s doesn’t begin to reflect my heritage as it once did a decade or so ago. If Heritage matters to Pacific Islanders then surely it matters to the rest of us as well.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

Define Fair. What’s happening to Pacific Rugby is about as fair as the corner store trying to compete with Amazon. Anyway, the Jokes on the Wallaby’s because as the make up of the team reflects less and less the greater population that they purport to represent interest in them continues to decline.

The law of unintended consequences: Perverse incentives, eligibility and the Pacific Islands

I agree Jacko and Harry. The officious policing of the intercept is a bore. That’s another 3-4 minutes of my life I am never going to get back again, waiting as we do with frustrating regularity for the TMO and ref to play god. I thought the idea of the game was as much about stopping the opposition from scoring as it was to score oneself. Talk about Pedantic. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The excitement in almost every major test match this year has been hampered by the time taken in officiating whether it was or wasn’t a knock on. The excitement palpably drained out of the game on Saturday night when the said incident occurred, the atmosphere deflated not because of the incident itself but because of the pedantic officiating that followed the failed attempt, (Legal or otherwise). By the time the game resumed I think I’d forgotten what the score was. As an added aside, top quality athlete’s are now so reluctant to attempt what has been over the years, in effect one of the most exciting spectacle’s in the game of rugby – the intercept try. This of course is the aim of policing the law as heavily as the authority’s do. To stop obstructive play but in doing so they are depriving us of one of the most spectacular aspects of the game. It is the officials not the players that are guilty of obstruction and of waisting our time with this anachronistic and pedantic law.

The laws of rugby and their loose connection with common sense

I understand the quasi-historical context surrounding the issue but I wonder if a forced protest would apply if the knee was, as it were, on the other foot. 😂

Cricket South Africa took away their players' voices and robbed gesture of power

Eagle Jack, Is that a POSITIVE ?

Cricket South Africa took away their players' voices and robbed gesture of power

TOTALLY AGREE MICKO. State based Rugby is an anachronism particularly in a country like Australia that has a huge schism between it’s football codes. Neither 5 States Super Rugby Competition or a City based tournament like the Hospital Cup or the Shute Shield is good enough. The answer lies somewhere in between and it doesn’t lie across the Tasman. I propose a NATIONAL COMPETITION with a national footprint with each major urban centre represented. This will guarantee coverage from all major syndicated media outlets including the National Broadcaster. Key Rugby Heartland’s like Brisbane and Sydney would be blessed with the added benefit of derby’s for they would feature a minimum of at least two teams located in each city. An Eight to Ten Team national competition IS sustainable if Rugby Australia chooses to place the success of the tournament before that of the Wallaby’s. If Australia cannot afford to pay for Samu Kerevi, then DON’T pay him. Let him go ply his trade elsewhere. He will anyway. Rugby cannot rely upon the gate receipts from one or two Wallaby matches a season to sustain future growth. The Top 14 in France and a plethora of other National Competitions is white anting the International Calendar. Cricket Australia had enough perspicacity to recognise the limitations of a state based system when they embraced a city based big bash league. Why cannot Rugby see that the goal posts have shifted. It’s time to move on.

'We're absolutely committed': RA chief reveals plan to centralise control of Super Rugby clubs

I agree. I appreciate the sentiment behind the push but low hanging fruit just the same. World Rugby will not deal with the ELEPHANTS in the room digging up every stadia that they attend.
Professional Rugby needs to be de-powered. It is no longer a game for all shapes and sizes.

Blind leading the colour blind? World Rugby's surprise call on kit clashes for 2027 World Cup

I agree RayinSydney. Don’t see anything wrong with the sentiment behind the push at all but it seems to me that World Rugby keeps skirting around the BIGGER issue’s facing the game which is a lot more than can be said for backs these days that just steamroll their way over and through the opposition. Why, for instance is it every Grounds keeper’s fault when a Rugby pitch is torn to shreds by a pair of forwards totalling 1600 kg’s. Surely, Rugby needs to be addressing the issue of De-Powering the game. Professionalism has skewed the balance and it is no longer a game for all shapes and sizes.

Blind leading the colour blind? World Rugby's surprise call on kit clashes for 2027 World Cup

It’s ok for World Rugby to engineer a professional game that far from being a game for all sizes as it maintains, is now a game for giants and World Rugby is worried about a comparatively small percentage of the male population that is or would be following the game if not for colour blindness . It seems to me that it is World Rugby that is blind or in denial about what is happening in Rugby.

Blind leading the colour blind? World Rugby's surprise call on kit clashes for 2027 World Cup

Well said Scrum. Couldn’t agree more. Administrators are doing the game a great disservice in not addressing time wasting. Your point about lineouts is a good one but there are so many aspects of the game that could be addressed I hardly know where to begin my self.
A fast game is a good game. I thought it was meant to be a game for all shapes and sizes. Yet clearly it has become dominated by power, too much power and not enough by skill, agility, speed and fitness. It is no good Rugby blaming every ground keeper in the country each time two forward packs of 800 kg lock horns. Of course they are going to rip up the turf. It’s not the ground keepers fault. It’s Rugby’s fault for allowing the game to develop as it has. If you will excuse the pun Rugby needs to look not at the ground keeper’s shed but in it’s own backyard for resolution to it’s own self inflicted problems. Professionalism has ripped up the old rule book as surely as those forward packs have ripped up the turf at your local Rugby ground and it’s time that they were relaid.

Time wasting hurts more than just rugby's spectacle

Yesterdays news Deon. Like old newspaper’s they just don’t sell. Pay TV wants either todays or tomorrow’s game and the more entertaining it is THE BETTER.

I know it is tempting but It is no good blaming the players or a single professional outfit. They are generally speaking working in or at the very least around the parameters set by WORLD RUGBY. Ultimately the Buck stops with World Rugby. It is they who have allowed Elite Rugby to become stodgy, stop/start, boring, penalty ridden affairs that for referee’s have become almost un-policeable. It is they who have sat on their hands and knees whilst professional teams like the Springboks develop winning tactics. (Why wouldn’t they. That’s the idea of the game isn’t it. To win.) I’m not saying i’m a fan of the Springbok style of play. I am simply pointing out that Professional Rugby teams are outsmarting the Governing body. They are developing tactics faster than World Rugby can react to them but, that is hardly saying much. A Turtle reacts faster and is more pro-active than World Rugby. World Rugby are still taking credit for allowing the game to turn professional but it would do well to remember that when it did so, even then, it was only done with a gun to it’s head. No wonder the game split in 1895. Run the way it is, it will split again if it continue’s to vacillate. What Did World Rugby think was going to happen when the game turned professional ? That it wasn’t going to change the way Rugby was played into the future ? It changed everything.

Time wasting hurts more than just rugby's spectacle

Yes, I do agree, Mr Jones. Changing the Value of Penalty Goals has long been mooted. Teams are playing for Penalty’s. It is an aberration. Again, it comes back to a lack of space on the field. The law book as it stands, does not encourage running Rugby. Teams, fearful of either giving away possession or worse, a penalty revert to kicking the ball away in the hope of picking up a cheap penalty themselves, within striking distance of the posts. Small, fleet of foot backs can no longer compete at the elite level. This is clearly to Rugby’s detriment. Players must run through or over their opponents these days, not around them as David Campese once did. He was loved for chancing his arm. People would go to the game just for the chance to see him do just that. Rugby can and must attract all shapes and sizes not just claim that it does. World Rugby talks the talk when it comes to player welfare. They over police some area’s of the game and yet seem blind to others. In not being pro-active they have failed to address or de-escalate the consequences of high impact collisions. An expansive game would not only be a more enjoyable and a safer game to play but a more spectacular game to watch. What are they waiting for, “a class action” to be filed against them before they react.
ABSOLUTELY Mr Jones. Penalty goals should be de-valued, they should have been devalued years ago. Other than Morne Stein’s parents who else wants to watch the bloke potting penalty goals like candy all afternoon. Whether the value of a penalty goal is addressed by awarding more free kicks instead of penalty’s for less significant infringements or by devaluing the value of the goal itself is open to debate but it is worth noting that if by reducing a penalty goal to say 2 points was a bridge too far then perhaps devaluing the value of a penalty goal indirectly by proportionally increasing the value of a try might go someway to not only mitigating the number of penalty goal attempts but the sceptics as well. Either way, something must be done for I feel certain that most people do not want to spend their evenings looking at a penalty shoot out. They don’t in football and they don’t in Rugby either. If we are to be honest, audiences don’t even watch Rugby for the number of tries scored or Football for the number of goals conceded. They watch it in anticipation of the possibility of both. For the impartial viewer, that is where the entertainment exists. Not between penalty goals but between the lines. It’s about the build up, the drama, the skill, the athleticism, the tactics, the fitness not JUST the power.

Time wasting hurts more than just rugby's spectacle

I agree. Time Wasting is ruining Rugby as a spectacle. As an impartial Rugby supporter for over 40 years I can see that the situation far from improving is getting worse. There were 36 attempts at goal in the Lions series. That’s over an hour waisted in watching one man line up an attempt at goal which, as often as not was in front of the posts. Penalty’s ran at 3 times the average penalty count than in a game of Rugby League. I am not a supporter of Rugby League, please don’t shoot me down for pointing this out, Rugby League has it’s own issue’s, I am just stating a fact. Do the sums yourself if you don’t believe me. Twenty Seven penalty’s per test were handed out on average in the Lions series. Rugby Union is bogged down in too many ambiguous, antiquated laws that were more often than not set in place during the Victorian era when players were a fraction of the size they are today. If Rugby is, as it espouses a game for all people it needs to, short of expanding it’s playing surface, reduce the size of elite players and the best way to do that is to make the game quicker. There are so many ways that this can be done but for financial reasons setting the clock back to 1970 and having a 5 minute half time break as everyone is handed a slice of orange is not one of the them, it simply will not happen. Broadcasters demand advertising space. Broadly speaking we need to get rid of as many scrum resets as possible. 5 Metre scrums are a blight on the game. Why not reset scrums at the 10 metre mark. Many if not most penalty’s need to be reduced to free kicks only. Take the penalty for example for an illegal knock down. So much time is waisted, so much frustration is consumed in policing it, watching endless replay’s so that the referee can be satisfied that the action was illegal that it is counter productive. It’s not entertaining. Whilst all this goes on, almost everygame, everyone must sit around and chew their finger nails, not in anticipation but out of pure boredom. Oh, how sorry I feel for the poor sods that pay their hard earned to sit through it all. Rugby Administrators, always entitled seem to be having a laugh. Imagine paying $250 as some did in Perth this year to sit through that. Heavily policing of Trainers on the field would also be a good idea. If a 40 year veteran of the game gets bored with watching the Lions vs Boks series then how in hell does Rugby hope to expand it’s supporter base. Just as infuriating as the games stop start nature is that Rugby supporters more than any other supporters it seems to me are set in their ways and so reticent to see change. Do they not understand that Professionalism has changed everything already. For the laws not to be calibrated in recognition of this seismic shift is doing everyone in and around the game an injustice and yet administrators continue to react at a glacial pace. Other sports would not stand for it.

Time wasting hurts more than just rugby's spectacle

Why don’t we just give them one of our Submarines instead.

Time for rugby diplomacy and new stadiums in the Pacific

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