that you Mark Latham…

Get ready for the Alan Jones tirade. Reserves his most vitriolic bile for women in power, and this will have him in misogynistic nuclear mode. He might actually explode.

get off the weed man… you’re minds running wild

Smith, for mine, made the right decision not to follow on. It wss foreseeable, had he sent England back in to bat, that his bowlers would have got some of the same movement that night and probably gone through a couple of the England top order before stumps. But it was not certain. Batsmen can do better the 2nd time round when put back in as we all know. One of his considerations was the workload of the bowlers who had toiled hard and long, and as they had the week before. It is an astute captain who can resist the call to follow-on, rest his bowlers (who have a big campaign still), and go on to win as planned. Smith did all of this. Spot on decision for mine, and proved to be so with the win, and momentum for WA test, and no bowler breaking down.

I recall watching the glory days with McGrath and Warne in tandem, and have reflected many times that that attacking excitement has bot been bettered since, for me as an Australian fan. However…. these 3 quicks, with ‘Garry’, pretty much get there. How lucky we are.

bloody great article

in depth analysis and intrigue …what a story,

the author had me at “The..”

In 2015, 80 Australian women died violently. Murdered. 80% was domestic violence. In 2016 it was similar. Incredible statistics. HUGE problem.

Domestic violence data in Australia showed that one in six women and one in 20 men have experienced at least one incidence of violence from a current or former partner since the age of 15.

Below are some more sobering facts:

On average, at least one woman a week is killed by a partner or former partner in Australia.
One in three Australian women has experienced physical violence, since the age of 15.
One in five Australian women has experienced sexual violence.
One in four Australian women has experienced physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner.
One in four Australian women has experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner.
Women are at least three times more likely than men to experience violence from an intimate partner.
Women are five times more likely than men to require medical attention or hospitalisation as a result of intimate partner violence, and five times more likely to report fearing for their lives.
Of those women who experience violence, more than half have children in their care.
Violence against women is not limited to the home or intimate relationships. Every year in Australia, over 300,000 women experience violence – often sexual violence – from someone other than a partner.
Eight out of ten women aged 18 to 24 were harassed on the street in the past year.
Young women (18 – 24 years) experience significantly higher rates of physical and sexual violence than women in older age groups.
There is growing evidence that women with disabilities are more likely to experience violence.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women experience violence at higher rates than non-Indigenous women.

And the figures for assault of young women socially (ie not in the home) are as alarming, but many do not report sexual or verbal assault (ie at a party)

Allan should be congratulated for putting the issue on the page. The sports and other leaders can play a huge role in changing community expectations and encouraging every man to call out poor comments and behaviour against women when we wee it.

I see the derogatory language start form a young age, at school, seemingly innocent enough. In the playground. Things are reinforced if it is not challenged, and it should be challenged then, by the father or brothers, or older boys/men. It is reinforced on-line, on the pornography sites some of these young men get to see. I know with my own son who is 8 years old, I try to consistently teach how to talk to his sister and to girls at school; what resect is and what is respectful. But he still comes home with some comments from school that floor me, and it shows he listens to his peer group more than me.

Calling out behaviour includes calling out public figures who are revoltingly misogynistic like Mark Latham, Alan Jones and Sam Newman. Latham’s bullying of Rosie Batty (whose son was murdered by her partner as a final act of violence to get to her) is one of the worst things I have seen.

This site gets nearly 500 daily posts for some ROAR articles. I wonder how many Allan’s will get?

Come on men. lets teach our boys and call our friends out and help make this community greater and safer for our daughters, sisters, etc, because is a tragic reality, and we’ve all got skin in the game.

This from Greg Baum in SMH just now

Brilliant take on the test…

“… Australia will win the first Test despite the thwarting of most of their plans. England executed most of their plans and will lose anyway, and by a wide margin. It doesn’t leave this Ashes series with much place to go.

Australia were grumpy throughout about the pitch, which lacked pace, swing or seam. The Gabba might yet be had up for false advertising. Mitch Starc was out of sorts for most of the match, Josh Hazlewood took a long time to work his way into it. Australia’s vulnerability, a minimum of bowlers, seemed to be exposed.

They could not have reckoned on the way Nathan Lyon’s off-spin would mesmerise England’s plenitude of left-handers, because they cannot have reckoned on so much spin for Lyon. It was not in the blueprint. He had a good record here, but because of bounce, not spin.

Except for the exceptional Steve Smith, and with a caveat about Shaun Marsh, the first innings batting was worth a C-plus. A composed debut half-century for Cameron Bancroft and another energetic one for David Warner on Sunday evening at least were fillips, but the science is far from settled.

And Australia won anyway.

England were calm to an almost Zen-like degree in the build-up, were pleasantly surprised by the pitch and the way it looked to play into their hands, were patient in their approach, had the better of the first two days and were prepared to engage Smith in a long staring match, figuring him to be only one player.

The pitch has shaped the match: the modest pace and scale of the scoring and the tactics. Resigning themselves to its docility, Australia backed off with ball, then bat. It made them look unusually conservative, but it might also have meant that they trusted themselves to come through in any case. This was the sub-text of Smith’s epic innings.

England’s default position was backed off. Patience with bat and ball was one thing, failure to take or hold the initiative in crucial moments another. Against Smith, for instance, they began with plans B, C and D. It made them look well-prepared, but it might also have signalled that they did not trust Plan A, their best cricket against his. That’s how Smith took it.

These sensibilities were evident on Sunday, the last of the match except for the shouting.

Australia began as if sitting down with a cup of coffee and the paper before work. Forged in Fire, a vivid film history of the Ashes, had debuted here on Sunday night, but this was forged over a camp stove. None the less, it worked.

Lyon changed it down. He has become the most highly estimated underestimated in the team, if not all teams. In an admirably sustained spell, he winkled out three left-handers, two to Smith catches at slip, the third to Tim Paine’s slick stumping of Moeen Ali. There can only have been a coat of paint in third umpire Chris Gaffney’s deliberations, but there needs only to be a coat of paint. But the Fleet Street headlines will be fun.

Otherwise, Paine was noticeable for the fact that he was barely noticed. Forget all the talk about talk; this is a wicketkeeper’s true hallmark.

Joe Root made a classy half-century, then was out next ball, lbw playing across his pad for the second time in the match. it is the merest chink, but you can be sure Australia will worry away at it. Moeen and Jonny Bairstow made attractive 40s, but no-one rose to the need for a dogged 140. None were Smith.

England’s conviction ebbed away. The last five wickets collapsed for 40, to follow 6/57 at the end of the first innings. Starc, though irritable, still has the faculty for taking wickets in bursts. One, Stuart Broad’s, he did not even know he had taken, the edge detectable only to Paine and Smith behind the stumps, and duly DRS.

Only an early Australian wicket could have kept the match alive now. Thanks to the vigilance of Warner and Bancroft, none came. In the last hour, they made batting look easy, but it was a featherbed of their own making.

Midway through this match, England might have thought they were putting up a respectable show, for England, at the Gabba. As late as the end of day three, they were talking as if on level terms.

That illusion lies shattered. England must know they are not a great side. The trouble is that they also know that about Australia, and yet Australia have overrun them anyway. Defeatism is England’s biggest threat now, momentum Australia’s friend.

Australia will win despite not giving it their best shot. England did give it their best shot, but it has not been enough. It bodes ominously for the rest of the series….”

Agree. I like Ben McM too, but he is a journeyman.

The RC team was building and getting god performances culminating in that excellent Bled 3. Then we lost Folau, Tui, Dempsey, and others which, in my view, cruelled the team (thanks Baa Baa game). Going to Europe with a changed backline and numerous top pick forwards unavailable, couple with poor selections of Moore, Phipps, etc and the dropping form of Beale, Hodge, who both had pretty forgettable tours, on the end of a very long season (SR pre-season from February). with the injury to Coleman, goes some way to explaining why the back half of the tour was so disappointing.As soon as Folau pulled out, Cheiak must have been wondering as it forced a quantum change to the attacking structure which had taken so long to come good.

All credit to Scotland though. On that performance, at that stadium, on that night, in that mood, who knows wether even the ABs would have got over them.

Both kuridrani ties were created by BF, the 2nd an individual piece of brilliance ffrom his own half, completely beating his opposite 10, then the 15 to set TK up. His 2nd line defence was telling as well. It was a huge loss, but stop inventing.

failed at 10 repeatedly..rose-coloured glasses

Marto and Fionn are the usual culprits. How many 1’s did you give the Tahs players Fionn. All right?

how arrogant that you dismiss the other Roarers ratings at least you consistently arrogant

I’m sure no one is trying to claim the “better behaved yoobo fan” trophy here, but if they were it’s a no contest. As hard as we Aussies try and to get drunk and disgrace ourselves we are rank amateurs. But at least Ingerland has shipped out the hardcore yobbos to the Barmy Army and to the bovver booted soccer mob, so Rugby should be safe, Right Funbus?.

THAT should be permanent. THAT should be our HAKA. Thank you for mentioning it.

yeah his gutsy, drag them over the line try was terrible,

you made that up

Hannigan’s work rate is good. He is fit and good in the line-out, both jumping and lifting. HE has been in camp for months and knows the plays. But…. he offers little in attack and that doesn’t get him a starting spot for mine.

Saw that. Cracker.

Working in the WBs favour is that Oz have had time together and been working hard for months. Wales should be sluggish and rusty.

“Weeks upon weeks of training – related to both skills and fitness – in July and August before the Rugby Championship slowly but surely helped the Wallabies find their groove. As the year went on, the juxtaposition between the fragmented, disorganised team that took the field in Sydney against Scotland to the one that beat the All Blacks in Brisbane was profound. The Wallabies arrive in Britain having not lost a match since late August, against New Zealand in Dunedin.
By comparison, Wales haven’t played a Test in 4½ months. In the previous eight months they’ve participated in just two” (Tom D, SMH)

Surely this should see the WBs hit the ground running and mount a score earlier. Wales at home are always a threat, but if the WBs turn up mentally and play as they’ve been playing, they’ll win. A refreshed Foley and Genia, a reinvigorated Kerevi, a potent attacking backline which I think has at least 3 tries in it, and 2 barnstorming wingers should gets the chocolates.

Amazing how Mr Lord can watch a match a reach a conclusion far removed from the majority of commentators. “A blinder..”. Hardly. Competent is some areas, Reliable in most areas. Ordinary in some areas. Kicked magnificently. He got good service and those around him played well. Beale’s time at 10 in that game offered greater variation in attack.

Hodge, … Great player but not 10 next week on that performance. If Lord truly sees the Wales test as a test for who plays 10 against England, he needs to back off on the whacky juice.

Only 2 players different from the starting “crap team” which beat the ABs 3 weeks ago. One inured, one sabbatical, otherwise same “crap” team. Each to their own though.

If Hunt is not needed as an injury replacement, my feeling is he might be used to replace Kerevi at some point, but with Hunt going to 15 and Beale going to 12. I think this might become an good option if Kerevi can’t reproduce last weeks form and would allow a change of attacking options. I can’t see Cheika pulling Beale or Kuridrani or Foley, so it will be Kerevi. Again, barring injuries, I see McCalman being used as a finisher either as a straight swap for McMahon at the 65min, or for Simmons around the same time with Hannigan going to 2nd row and McCalman at 6. I’m not sure if Philip will get on, barring injury, until the final 5-10mins if we are in front.

Why, Why, Why Delilah… and… What’s New Pussycat, are more questions I want answered Tom. And don’t just tell me She’s A Lady, or, It’s Not unusual. I Who Have Nothing, Without Love, have already got The Green, Green Grass Of Home… so give me some analysis man.

A few other “Cheika knew what he was along all along” puzzle pieces would include (1.) the master-stroke of poaching and developing Koirabete who might just be our greatest modern winger, (2) McMahon at 8 [who would displace him now, maybe not even Pocock], (3) blooding the young guns, such as Dempsey and Tui and Rodda, (4) sticking with the Holy Trinity (not my words… http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/09/20/michael-cheika-will-live-die-waratah-holy-trinity/) …though we are about to find out wether Hunt can be anointed to the trinity. (5.) getting Genia back (6) giving the WBs an 80 minute captain who leads by example in the Richie McC mould

The rude and offensive ‘Clown’ tag still pushed by some knuckle-draggers on this forum is plain insult and wilfully ignores the development he has achieved.