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I’m guessing Rennie hadn’t seen the replay when he made his comments. There should be an apology due this week, but not in the direction that Rennie suggested.
But yes, big credit to the Wallabies for fighting back a man down, they were desperately unlucky to lose it at the end. It’s not been a great tour, but there some positives.
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north
The ref called it backwards. The replays proved him to be correct. That’s all there is to it.
Yeah it looked forwards in realtime to most people, me included. If this were in the days before we had access to replays then I could understand the controversy. But we do. Anybody who has watched the replays (and understands the rules) should be saying “well done ref, a tight call that you got right”. Instead you appear to be saying “I’m mad because the ref didn’t incorrectly rule a knock on against a ball that wasnt knocked on”. That’s what’s bewildering.
(I actually think Tomkins knew it was OK, he turned and shouted “back” to the ref, but that’s completely besides the point, all that matters is whether it was knocked forward)
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north
Errrr… because the ball went backwards. It’s pretty clear from the replay (look for the camera angle from the opposite touchline, I’ll get you the timestamp if you want it). Credit to the ref for correctly calling this in realtime
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north
In the heat of the game, at normal speed, the referee instantly decided that the ball had not been knocked forward. All the video replays and forensics after the fact have just confirmed that his judgement was correct, and he deserves credit for making a correct call which the vast majority of viewers did not.
In 150 years of rugby union, it has never been an offence to knock a ball backwards, and the rules are unambiguous on this one.
Tompkins does slow down, but you can also see him clearly say “back” to the referee. He knew it was backwards. I assume that he thought play had been called stopped because of the reactions of the players and crowd.
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north
I am quite dumbfounded at the seemingly endless willingness of Aussie Rugby fans to blame the ref for Wallabies defeats. The “farcical” decision to allow the Tompkins try was clearly, objectively, unambiguously the correct one, and the only reason to think otherwise after seeing the reply is a lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. It is quite baffling that so many commentators and fans seem to think that he should have awarded a knock-on for a ball that was knocked back, which is and always has been an entirely legal action. You don’t need “Biomechanists and Geometrists prepared to step forward to scientifically prove that the ball was propelled backwards”, because the referee who was standing a few meters away saw it and called it.
Was it a freak try? Sure. Did it look forward? Yup, I thought it was a knock-on, just like most people, until I saw the replay and realised the ref had got it spot on.
If you really must insist on blaming the ref for your team’s defeat, then here’s a pro tip: try picking on the decisions that he got wrong, rather than the ones he got right. The one I think he did get wrong was that Thomas’ reckless clearout should have been a red rather than a yellow.
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north
It’s not though. If there’s a head clash but the tackler didn’t do anything wrong then there’s no penalty, let alone a card. In this case it was completely avoidable, it was very poor technique from Valentini, and resulted in a dangerous collision.
MATCH REPORT: 'Horrendous'! Rennie anger as 14-man Wallabies beaten at the death
Yes there is
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
Ok, it’s an interesting stat, but again it hardly proves that the refs are corrupt or incompetent.
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
This is true, but it’s not what is being being talked about when people are saying the ref was horrendous, made howlers, is a disgrace etc. Those people are talking about specific decisions which, in many cases, the ref got spot on.
Rennie thinks the Tomkins try was an horrendous decision because it was a knock-on; he’s incorrect. Jim in this article actually agrees that Beale succeeded in preventing a try by committing a knock-on, and yet he thinks that Adamson is the one who needs a propeller cap and referees correctly applying the laws is “a blight on the game”
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
You’re saying that you can count how many cards were given to each team, and from that conclude that the ref was biased. You can’t see how absurd that claim is?
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
I don’t know the reason, I’d have to go back to review all the incidents to form an opinion. Maybe the 6N teams have learned from their errors and had a bigger focus on discipline? I’m just guessing though. My point is that you can’t just look and the numbers of cards and conclude from that that the refereeing has been biased and horrendous.
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
You really need to read the laws. A knock down isn’t a thing, only a knock on.
Don’t think Kurtley can have too many arguments about his card either, in the replay you can clearly see his eyes following the ball and his hand stretching out
MATCH REPORT: 'Horrendous'! Rennie anger as 14-man Wallabies beaten at the death
I guess the referee’s decisions could appear bizarre, if you don’t know the rules. Calling Beale’s knock-forward and Tomkins’ knock-back “similar” says it all. Wallabies were probably the better team, and were desperately unlucky to lose. But you’ve got to stop blaming the ref for every defeat and calling every decision that goes against you bizarre and horrendous. Let’s not all go down the Rassie route.
MATCH REPORT: 'Horrendous'! Rennie anger as 14-man Wallabies beaten at the death
OK. My point was that the ref didn’t make horrible blunders, and he’s still being called a clown. If you want to criticise a ref then at least start with the decisions they got wrong rather than the ones they got right.
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
The refs aren’t poker dealers, they’re not meant to take it in turns to give everyone a card each. If you’re going make big accusations like bias refereeing you might want something more substantial to back it up. Maybe the 6N were just more disciplined, or more in tune with the referees’ expeditions this autumn?
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
This relentless ref bashing is toxic, miserable and bad for rugby. You want the ref to be pilloried for … correctly issuing a red card, correctly applying the rules to allow the try after the knock-back,and correctly applying the rules to give KB a yellow for the deliberate knock on?
You might think the rules are wrong and should be changed, fair enough, but constantly haranguing the ref for every decision that goes against your team is a really bad look.
I’m not denying there are problems with refereeing – consistency, how they use the TMO, complexity of the rules – but whinging about correct decisions will make it harder to address real issues.
Agree on KB, I’ve always loved watching him play, electric player
ANALYSIS: Give the ref a propeller hat, thank Kurtley for the memories and fix this blight on the game
Not exactly savage, but entertaining and well deserved.
So what’s the deal with the 50:22 rule? Ref said “taken back”, is that because the Boks passed it back beyond halfway before the kick? So you can only get a 50:22 if the team (not the individual) takes possession it in their own half?
Pure savagery as ref gives complaining Boks waterboy a brutal dressing-down
Great article. (I’m assuming that it’s satire, nobody can be naive enough to actually believe that Rassie did that video because he cares about refereeing consistency)
We should all thank Rassie
It’s not his fault that they all so much want to talk to him. It would be rude of him to just dismiss them without a few pleasantries like so many stuck up celebrities do.
Alun Wyn Jones wants less talk, more action
I thought the House Of Pain was significantly further south of Auckand
New Bledisloe fixture sends Aussies to Eden Park twice
So Berry made 26 mistakes and all of them were in the Lions favour? Rassie says all he wants is accountability and consistency, so if that’s true Berry must be absurdly corrupt.
Or perhaps Rassie deliberately omitted the dozens of (non) decisions that went the other way and he just wanted to put pressure on BOK for the second test.
Are there really people out there so naive as to believe this is about anything but Rassie trying to protect his team and influence the 2nd test?
'Sport will not survive this sort of escalating behaviour': Why World Rugby needs to nip Rassie's rant in the bud
Likewise, I appreciate it too. Most of us enjoy a good argument, but if we can resist the urge then we can usually find lots to agree on.
Anyway, despite the less-than-champagne rugby on display I’m really enjoying the series. Boks played much better yesterday, very deserving of the win. Next week will be very tense…
Warren Gatland is ready for a Lions-Boks 'cup final'
A bit like Rassie claiming that all he’s interested in is accountability and consistency eh? Look, I agree with you. Gatland wanted to put a bit of pressure on the TMO ahead of the 1st test, and was smart enough to do it without calling him biased. We all know what he was doing. Rassie wanted to put a bit of pressure on the ref ahead of the 2nd test, but did it in such a cack handed way that he essentially accused Berry’s team of being incompetent at best. I think it was really dumb. It was certainly crude and against the rules. But maybe it was worth it, because it seems to have had the desired effect.
Warren Gatland is ready for a Lions-Boks 'cup final'
I’m guessing you’re not a close follower of European rugby politics?
Warren Gatland is ready for a Lions-Boks 'cup final'
Yup. You wouldn’t be an Aussie by any chance?
The ref called the ball backward. The replays proved that he was correct. End of.
But if you want to use it as an excuse for losing then fill your boots. Personally I’d go for the decisions he got wrong rather than one he demonstrably got right, but there you go.
(As a Welshman living in Aus, the Wallabies are very much my second team. I just get exasperated by the tendency of Aussie coaches, commentators and fans to blame the ref for defeats, particularly when it’s done without a basic understanding of the laws of the game).
The Wrap: Three epic Test matches all swing to the north