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That’s definitely a good way of finding an overall champion. I guess I wanted to create a format that kept potential test players busy and conditioned to everything that comes along with travel no matter what team they played for as well as getting the most fan engagement throughout the season. I like the idea of having national champions before the start of test season. The whole two articles show that I wanted to recreate the best bits of all forms of super rugby. I understand that it seems strange not to have a single champion at the end of the season but I think that it is working well this time out of necessity. Cheers thanks for the comment.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers mzilikazi, the first Bledisloe is looking really interesting. I think that will be fast, looking at the back rows and even the some of the fronts. I would normally say that the AB have the edge in backline and halves. However if the Wallabies go with white and loloseo in the halves the will play some real confidence. Whitelock and Tuipolotu will be a strong combination of both fit but the Brumbies and reds have had strong set piece so it should be close and quick. I am really looking forward to it but I think that NZ will take the first test.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

The Blues front row really like the Margaret River wineries. I don’t know if it is the money or if NZ is in the super rugby dog house still after the report and the Force are the only Aussie team talking to them, or neither of the above. My opinion is no matter what happens in 2021 NZ and Australia will be able to work together in a way that benifits both of them.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Each year each team plays in two quick competitions. The first an international the next a domestic. The domestic placings determine which international competition the team plays in the following year. So if a team buys the best players one year they won’t be able to do that again the following year and keep the roster they have. I hope that made some sense.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Thanks for the star. I would like to know how having national competitions that decide which division a team plays in the following year is lacking in tribalism or confusing. Always happy to talk super rugby, cheers.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

That could work it would greatly reduce travel and would be great rugby however for me it would lose the advantages on field of regular game time with top opposition in their homeland. I have thought about this as an option, I am a nerd that way. The main drawbacks for me were that this would remove Argentina, unless they are playing for teams in Australia and Japan and would be overshadowed by the Rugby championship as this is essentially one provincial team from each of the countries with a Japanese team replacing the Jaguares. Scheduling would be a concern, but not undoable. the ideal time for this would be February – March the end of the Japanese season and the start of the Southern season but this is right in the middle of the European season so double booking would present a problem for South African teams. Just a quick look at the 2018 pro season, assuming that this is a regular season in length. the PRO final was the 25th of may so a quick comp could happen in June before the July test season depending on how it was structured, or just after the test season as PRO kicks off at the end of August beginning of September, traditionally the same time that the Rugby Championship starts. All that being said I would watch it and based on nothing more than that it could make money, so I am interested in how you would structure this champions league, Cheers

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers JD, My thinking that before COVID all nations had agreed to super 14 so there was either a want to participate or at least a recognition of the value of international participation. You are right in that no one will know what happens after next year maybe super rugby is gone maybe they all come back. In the mean time all we can do as fans is support the rugby we get and discuss what opportunities there could be. and I think that the opportunities for something that makes better use of the talent and structures available are their for those who want to participate.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 2

Cheers, thanks for that.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1

Absolutely agree, providing those areas with facilities and training is the way to grow the game into being the football code for all of South Africa. Big hill to climb though.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Thank you very much for your kind words, I should also thank the editors for making my article a lot easier to read. As the article states this is really a hope piece that next year is a one off and that 2022 could force a renovation of how super rugby works. My next piece provides a framework that deals with travel and the issues I brought up here. The reality however, could be saying goodbye to great southern rivals which would be a sad end of an era. For what it is worth I hope to see the Jaguares remain in super rugby from 2022 and beyond as the have provided so much entertainment.

I hadn’t thought much about the environmental impacts of air travel, but that would definitely be a factor to consider. All competitions have to be sustainable both financially and environmentally and any potential comp needs to look scientifically into the viability of their practices. I am really looking forward to some rugby normalcy to resume, which looks like 2022 whatever form that may take.

A hopeful future for Super Rugby in 2022 – Part 1

I still remember reading about the spears and how rugby was going to get popular in the black community. And I remember thinking that the Boks would never be beaten again if they succeeded. Thinking more maturely many years on I hope that the game will continue to grow organically in South Africa’s black communities based on the efforts of players that kids are watching and trying to emulate now despite the King’s fate.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Be very sad if this is the end for good. Cheers for letting me know who’s on the board.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

I don’t who is on the board, but I would agree even if they were all Celtic. I don’t think that SARU would announce that it was talking to PRO without being very sure that they are locked in for next year.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

I hope not, right now there seem to be more questions than answers. Where ever the pieces fall I hope that the cheetahs will have a way to earn their way into the top level South African teams are playing in. If they were my team I would be furious right now.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Cheers, honestly I do not know mush about RSA politics, I was under the impression that a team in Port Elizabeth has been their pet project since the spears never took the field. If they are unable and unwilling to provide aid then this could be the end. Feel sorry for their fans, always sad to lose a team hope they will continue to support them in the Currie Cup or wherever they find themselves.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Surprised the Currie Cup wasn’t raised as an option to be honest. As I said I am just speculating as to how the season would go ahead as very little information has been supplied. Previous, pre-covid, articles I’ve read (I think it was the Sharks wanting to go to France at that time) had them basing themselves in Europe for short periods of time to compete there over a long season. I am sure that PRO rugby and SARU are much further along in negotiations than they are letting on and would have this sorted out. I am hoping that this is only for 2021 and regular rugby against South Africa and Argentina will resume in 2022.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

That seems true I just didn’t know if travel outside of intra-European travel was happening without quarantine, also no details as to where the SA teams would be based has been released; they may choose to base themselves in Europe just speculation obviously. For what it is worth I don’t think that SARU would have publicly announced this without being very sure that they will be participating in PRO 16 next year. I am interested in what is happening after that.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

I truly hope that this is not the last we see of the Jaguares in super rugby, they are the expansion team that has done everything right and are unfairly impacted by elements out of their control namely geography and this pandemic. hope to a glorious return in 2022.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

I kind of wish there was some definitive information about the long term future available as there seems to still be multiple phases to go. I can’t find any information on whether the PRO rugby group has accepted this and if it is in accordance with their own COVID policies, all I have read is that SARU has committed to talking to them. Also all indications are for next year which wasn’t likely to have international travel in Super Rugby for obvious reasons. Also the cheetahs are probably fuming at this and I can’t imagine that the RSA government is willing to give up on the Kings yet. It could be very possible that both the Kings and Cheetahs will take time to build young squads next year in anticipation for 2022 whatever that may bring.

Super Rugby as we know it all but over after South Africa votes to quit, send teams to Europe instead

Never tried to hide being a Dolphin fan, and I am biased but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Like you I played in junior comps, although a lack of talent and wanting to chase girls in highschool lead me to quit so respect to to you for staying. Even more respect for your continued support as a fan. I love the QRL and find it more meaningful and enjoyable than the NRL. So I can see why you are against teams like Ipswich and the Dolphins if you don’t like them. You even stated that many don’t like the Dolphins well they will continue to support the Broncos even more passionately. And it doesn’t matter if people tune in to watch a team win or get beaten as long as they tune in, apathy is worst option and that is what the bombers are also the point of this article.
It is also important to remember that Vlandys is probably not a QRL fan and is only interested in results. Sydneysiders would not see the difference between Redcliffe, Moreton Bay and Brisbane it is all the same to them.
Many Queenslanders don’t follow QRL, they’re missing out in my opinion, but to them a Dolphins team that plays at Lang Park called Moreton bay, south qld or greater Brisbane would be a legitimate team for Brisbane.
Lastly I take most of what you said with good humour I was put back at being called selfish. Look at the bids on their own merits no one has been able to put together what the Dolphins have it has been 10 years in the making a new bid would probably go broke trying to build what they already have. This opportunity could be the end or the beginning for all of South East QLD. My vision would be 4 teams in SEQ. Jets in the west, Dolphins in the north, Broncos in the east and the Titans in the south. The Dolphins are the best bid for immediate and lasting success, and if they are successful then the NRL may return to SEQ.
Sorry for the long post, although I am sure that there’s stuff I forgot. I may be a fan of the Dolphins but I do find their bid objectively the strongest, and the best shot at future planning in SEQ. Too many times the NRL is reactive and not pro active. But hey if you disagree that’s cool, from one QRL fan to another have a good one.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

I know the Crushers had good attendance I was there it was free. I have had this conversation already if you prefer financially mismanaged it’s up to you, either way they’re gone and unlike South’s no one marched for them to return. Hence why a team that has a built in support base and history is preferable if available.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

A team for all of BRISBANE already exists it is called the Broncos. I happen to think the most important thing about a new team in the Brisbane area is that it’s successful. Just found out a hundred million new reasons why the Dolphins will be that team.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

I think that we agree on a lot, and disagree on some fundamentals, which is cool that’s the purpose of this site.

Thank you for letting me know the story of the crushers player, being young at the time of their existence I obviously didn’t know. It doesn’t change my view of going with an established brand but it shows that for any modern club knowing and caring for player needs is very important and will benefit everybody. I did like the club as a youngster, it is a shame how things turned out.

We can both agree that the courier mail as well as many media outlets gave up actual reporting for populist drivel long ago. However they are good at reading public opinion and giving it back to them, so reports on what teams people may support could actually be accurate.

We both agree that the Dolphins would be successful if in the NRL, and it is interesting to note that they seemed to have left the standard feeder system model. It will be interesting to see where their agreement with the Warriors goes.Where we seem to really disagree is philosophically, you seem to believe in shooting for the stars and hitting the moon, a great way to live life and one I respect. I think that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. By that I mean there is possibly a smaller area of support for the Dolphins, although North Moreton Bay is growing, but that area of support is definate. Where as the possible fan base of a brand new team may be large but may not yield any support. There is no such thing as no risk, even not having a club may further open the door for AFL. I guess it comes down to what you think the best odds are.

It is worth thinking about this though; the League fans I work with in Brisbane that don’t support the Broncos have various reasons for doing so, none of which include representing Brisbane. It usually comes down to coming from somewhere else usually Sydney or NZ, having heritage somewhere else or Identifying as country which seems to be automatic Cowboy support. I don’t believe that a new team with no difference to the Broncos would sway the majority of fans but that is just my opinion, you have yours and thank you for sharing it. It has made me think which is always a good thing, cheers.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

P.S. how did you get paragraph breaks they didn’t show up on my reply?

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion

I would like to see your source on the claim that other clubs are dwarfing the Dolphins supporter numbers and yearly turnover. Because it is directly at odds to what I see and hear, I read that the Dolphins are one of, if not the wealthiest clubs in the QRL. Their financial stability is one of the major reasons why they are being so highly considered for an NRL promotion. I am glad that you know the area and the club because if you have seen what has been built there recently then you would know the phenomenal financial position the club is in. Their club, pool, gyms and new boutique stadium put most clubs already in the NRL to shame. When I take friends and family from out of town there most wonder how the Dolphins aren’t in the NRL already.

I guess we need to agree to disagree on the direct definition of what the NRL means by a second Brisbane team. This is an organisation that considers Penrith a Sydney team despite being a 50 minute 57 km drive from Sydney CBD, so Redcliffe being a 40 minute 41.7 km drive from Brisbane CBD would easily be considered a Brisbane team. This would be why Ipswitch and Redcliffe keep being mentioned by the courier mail, a Brisbane paper, as potential Brisbane teams.

With that in mind not being a part of Brisbane is a positive. You agreed with me that Redcliffe is strong community club with a proud history, but there is also an important geographical and cultural point of difference. This difference will encourage organic polarisation of support, that is the people of Redcliffe and all of North Moreton Bay would get behind the Dolphins, this is the club their kids play for, and those from other parts of the region would feel the need to defend the Broncos. It would be the city yuppies vs the beach bogans, buying talent vs growing talent you couldn’t write a better rivalry.

Now I understand that all clubs have been made up at one point, however if you have the choice between a club with an identity, history and support from the community or a club that has to build those things why not choose the one with less to build? I brought up the South QLD Crushers, a team that I actually liked but eventually failed. They did not fail because of super league, they went broke and even with free tickets couldn’t get the support from Brisbane or SEQ. The reason for this is because there was no point of difference between the Broncos and the Crushers. The Crushers were set up as a rival not a real alternative and destined to fail. I guess with this rant I am saying you can build from a strong foundation or take chances elsewhere for what will likely be less support.

Brisbane's second NRL team will only succeed on passion