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Sorry* Shaun Marsh for Head.

Who can add the needed steel to Australia's fragile ODI batting?

Id have;

1. Finch (c)
2. Carey (wk)
3. Khawaja
4. Head
5. Ferguson
6. Lynn
7. Stoinis
8. Starc
9. Hazlewood
10. Behrendorff
11. Lyon/Agar (Agar would move to 8 and the rest shift up)

Batting till, 7, (8 With Agar in the side), 4 frontline bowlers, and Head and Stoinis to make up the other 10 overs. Big hitters in Lynn and Stoinis, With Carey, Finch and Head able to score runs quick when needed. Cummins left out due to his injury prone-ness, Id keep him just for the long form.

Who can add the needed steel to Australia's fragile ODI batting?

Absolutely great read, Born well after this test but could feel the excitement and nervousness as I was reading through.

The spirit of cricket - celebrating the noble failure

Thats a wierd way to spell Mitchell Marsh 😉

The new breed of cricketers with the world at their feet

I believe Ive been quite resonable with my comments, this is by no means a smear piece on Glenn Maxwell, simply that I think his time has come and gone and Australia should look to playing their other players who are in form and can complete a similar role. If you’ve read my other comments, you will see I either respond to other points made by fellow Roarers, supported with statistics to support my claims and pointing out the facts when they claim I am uninformed. At no point have I said I want Head instead of Maxwell, infact I stated that Ferguson, Heazlett and Harris would come into the side for me, I simply corrected the statement that a commenter said on Head’s (and Finch’s) strike rate. Counting up the commenters there are 8 people that agree with me and 5 that don’t, obviously the argument has more than some relevance. Thanks for the input though mate, although may I suggest checking your facts before making such a blatantly ignorant remark.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Sure, Eng Vs Aus 1st ODI in Aus. Finch 107, next 3 batsmen made 30 runs between them (10 runs per wicket). 2nd ODI, Finch 106, rest of the top 7 (ending at Cam White) made 108 (15 runs per wicket). Aus vs Ind 3rd ODI, Finch made 124, rest of the top 5 made 104 (20 runs per wicket). He also scored a ton against England in England, but that doesnt seem to matter to you because some one else scored runs too, making Finch’s invalid. In that game batsmen 4-7 only managed 29 runs between them (7.25 runs per wicket).

Who can add the needed steel to Australia's fragile ODI batting?

Dont know how he wouldn’t, seems a ripper bloke. Didn’t cause a fuss when he was dropped after one test, and has a very very good work ethic.

Who can add the needed steel to Australia's fragile ODI batting?

If you read my comment I say in the year of 2018. All the figures are correct for either the 2018 JLT or 2018 ODIs. I am simply listing players that you said were hard to come by and have those attributes.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Yep, one of the best in the short formats

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

All good except the vast majority of what you said is incorrect. 3 out of the last 5 times Head batted he passed 50. All in England. Perth was 7 games ago, not 5 and If you go 8 games back Head scored a 96. Since we are going back to the end of ashes ODIs, Finch made 2 hundreds back to back, and followed it up immediately with a 50. 4 games later, in the series you are saying Maxwell did more than Finch, Finch scored another 100. Fine, you are technically correct that Maxwells (albeit minimal amount of) runs were scored at a faster rate, the strike rate difference is less 3 between Glenn And Finch. And get this, Travis Heads strike rate in the series you are referring to is actually faster than that of Maxwells.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Stoinis hasnt played 85 ODIs for one. And two, I’m not saying he is the only one to blame, others are also failing, but Maxwells time is up, too many chances not enough success.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

First choice would be Callum Ferguson, Heazlett and Harris are both options too and Bailey if you want proper experience.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

I wasnt saying we should emulate England’s style, this is from another comment where I listed the players with similar stats and abilities to Maxwell around the world, of which, England have 4.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

I have watched England play. Im not saying less Maxwell style players. Im saying less Maxwell. Im advocating for the inclusion of players who can do both accumulate and accelerate.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Yep, consideration for what the team requires is certainly not one of his strong points.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Even Shaun Marsh is still described as ‘a young bloke full of potential’. He’s good to watch when he goes big, but his judgment of situations and abilities to execute have been more than sub par as of recent. Picked more for the name, hype, and the fact that he is people who are barely into cricket’s favourite player.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Currently (for 2018) 4 of Englands players average 30+ and have a strike rate of 100+. India have 3 players who do so, Pakistan 2, Australia even have 2 in Shaun Marsh and NCN with Stoinis averaging 28 aswell. They are not that hard to come by, Infact, there are 11 batsman who fit those qualifactions in the JLT one day cup this year (Stoinis, NCN, Bryant, Short, Wade, Philippe, Lynn, Sams, Heazlett, Milenko and Harris).

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Im saying that we have players who can find the boundary in the last 15 overs and up the run rate. Im not saying that they will do it in the same way as Maxwell. If I was forced to have Maxwell in the side then he would be at 6 in the role you are describing, but I am saying that we do not need that role in the side, too much emphasis is on players who score runs quick, we have enough of them in the side already so get rid of the ones out of form, case and point Maxwell.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Im not saying that they have the same 360 degree range as Glenn Maxwell, Im saying that they can score boundaries at the end of the innings. Plenty of other teams in the world go by fine without the Glenn Maxwell style player. Take for example the team that thrashed us 5-0 earlier this year. NCN is more of a pinch hitter, but atleast he is scoring runs.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

I wouldnt neccessarily select those that I mentioned either, Ferguson would top my list as well, it was simply to show the scope of players that are out there who performed better than Maxwell did in the JLT One Day comp.

I understand Maxwell’s role and his ability to find the boundary, however, if you place a struggling, out of form batsman in an unfamiliar role that he is not suited to, you innevitably get disaster. Australia do not need Maxwell. We have the players even in the side that was selected for the last match that can fill his role as a late innings boundary specialist. In fact you could count on pretty much the entire batting order to have equal success in that position, Finch, Head, Stoinis, Short, Lynn and even NCN can power through the last overs, we need batsmen who can take us through to those last overs.

Maxwell was somewhat of a revelation in world cricket half a decade ago, nowadays it is the norm and he is falling behind.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

It’s not only about the recent failings, even when Smith and Warner were in the side and we had a decent track record, Maxwell was still failing with the bat. The major is that it’s not only the top order who have failed in recent times, Its the entire order, part of a middle-order batsmen’s role nowadays is to help build after a collapse, Maxwell continually fails to do so.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Great point, he’s had plenty of opportunities in recent times to show that he can do it when Australia needs it, yet evidently he cant

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Exactly, he can have as high a strike rate as he wants but if it means hitting 1 four and getting out then it is useless.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

Great read Matt, My first year I was made captain at my old club, I must’ve been 15, my dad gave me the book that his dad had given him in the 70’s called how to play cricket, He scrawled over the front page “Play with a straight bat” and “Pain is just an emotion, like happy or sad, so smack the buhjeezus out of it”. First game of the season came in at 4/20odd and tried to pull a ball about a foot and a half outside off, chopped it on straight to where my box should’ve been but I neglected to check if it was in my bag. In all the pain and flinching from the impact on the jewels, I swivelled and knocked the stumps over with my bat. Fair to say it couldnt have gone much worse.

Roll on summer of cricket, roll on

Maxwell has played the majority of his ODI career at number 5. I understand his role is to score runs quickly, but the inability to score runs in ODIs full stop is where he has been failing in recent times. We have plenty of players in domestic cricket who can take on the role that Maxwell used to have ie; Stoinis, M Marsh, Bryant, Short. Mentioning the middle order run accumulators was to point out the fact that Maxwell is not in form in this format and we should be selecting those who are. The fact of the matter is we do not need his inconsistency or his role in the side anymore, we need people who can bat out the innings and take it deep.

It is time for 'The Big Show' to be shown the door

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