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Lots of claims soapit, little evidence. You have shifted the goal posts from ‘he gets run over on the tryline’, to ‘he can’t stop someone dead’ to ‘stopping a forward at pace on the try line’. Any other nuances you’d like to add? Boot colour, minute of the game? You may not like to admit it, but maybe you have some bias against Hooper such that you overwhelmingly see his negatives, and rarely his positives. I’d also argue that many people (not necessarily you), hold an outdated view of what a flanker, particularly opensides, role is in the modern era where the game is so much faster and the jackall almost impossible given ruck laws. I think it speaks volumes that Pocock, to his credit, in his last couple of seasons measurably changed his game to a more ‘hooper’ like style because of those very rule changes. He honed his skills in attack to play that link man and attempted far fewer jackals, rejoining the D line quicker.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Are you trying to blame hooper for getting cleaned out in a rugby game!? This is a new one 😂

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

I think its a matter of bias in this instance Waxy. List me a 7 who wouldn’t get physically dominated by SAs forward pack in Australia? Hell, in world rugby. I doubt you could find more than a couple. Curry and Underhill got handled in the RWC final, so they’re out. Ardie maybe, but he is an atypical 7. Cane is no bigger then hooper.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Ardie is a freak no doubt, and does not fit the mould in terms of your usual 7. Hence why he has also played at 6 and 8. To be a pest though, I think the pt stands in that his role is not to make those dominant tackles/runs in tight off the ruck. He does it out wide. Thats whats impressive, is that he is such a big unit that has the agility/speed etc to match it in the backs and on the fringes and really maximise his size advantage to gain meters/dominate collisions. Put him in the middle against retallick, Etzbeth etc and he is no longer a man amongst boys.

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Waxhead, but is it a 7s job to dominate collisions? name one who is picked on this ability… A 7s role in this day and age is to have a huge number of involvements – this is what Hooper does best because he is so fit/fast. It is the tight 5s job and maybe your 6 or 8 to be physical. Also, Wright and McReight are no bigger/more physical than Hooper so you suggest no better alternates. Wright is taller but no heavier so hooper is actually more compact then him and mcreight is the same size… Everyone is ragdolled against SA, thats why you pick a quick team to tire them out and go around them (see NZs game plan of broken fast play). Why fight fire with fire when you can pick a bucket of water?

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

I think maybe an ASY or McReight would be a better 6 in terms of balance with LSL at 4/5. But I do like the mongrel Blyth brings as well…

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

He has stopped plenty dead in his time. Although he is small he has great technique and has fast feet so can hit at speed and rarely gets squared up. He is also not in the team to be an enforcer, thats the tight 5s job. that is why they make 5-10 tackles, but they are in the tight stuff and ‘should’ be dominant, and hooper makes 10-15 in the wider channels. Different roles. You don’t blame a winger for having no lineout wins, so why blame a 90kg openside for not flattening 130kg props.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

ISI is also backing it up with good stats this SR season. Definitely earnt the right to retain his spot and have first crack at 8 in my opinion.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

100% right Rhys. NB showed a couple of these efforts in part 1 of this series. Running from the front of a lineout to nearly charge a kick down on the other side of the field in one phase. Another was a ‘missed tackle’ from him in backplay, but he was the only one from the D line who was within 20m of the ball to even be there to make the hit.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

This is the thing, Hooper can often have poor stars in the way of a high number of dropped balls or missed tackles as examples. But he is dropping a 50/50 offload from a linebreak because he is the only one within 20m to support. He misses some tackles because he often (used to) shoots on the 13 to turn the ball inside so he had done his job despite the missed tackle. It’s amazing his tackle completion rate is so high considering. Although he does not often drive players back in tackles (he isn’t trying too), he does not get as dominated as you suggest soapit.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

So would most of us 😛 could be a reason for Rennie to have him in the squad. Just to get a few pts in his head to work on skill/decision making wise.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

This is my hesitation. No doubt he is keen to go head first into plenty of rucks, but maybe he is being encouraged to do so rather than advised against… Id also argue there are bigger fish to fry in the Reds defensive department then wrights output unfortunately. That fringe D was schoolboy and a key pt for McDermott to wear the 9 jersey again imo.

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I agree entirely that the backrow is disjointed defensively. But I think i put the blame on LSL and Wilson more than Wright. He is getting through his work but being let down by others and is currently not as immense as Hooper to do the job of 3 others. Maybe I’m being too easy on him… The first two vids you put up are telling, Hooper rarely trots/jogs anywhere and would’ve shut that break down promptly whereas Wright watched it. Lack of urgency.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Just trying to compare beast with beast NB 😛 as usual you hit the nail on the head. Although I think wright plays a more midfield role than most 7s which I assume is a thorn directive…

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Id agree. He is just a good athlete/smart footballer. One of those guys you want in a team even if other guys he is competing with might be better at the lineout, stronger etc. He just shows up in the right place, at the right time and does the right thing too often for it to be a coincidence.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

That’s the backrow I would pick if I were Rennie, with a slight possibility of Samu on the bench just because he can cover all 3 spots. Haven’t seen enough of McAffrey this season to feel comfortable picking him. Would be pretty well balanced short of hitting a few rucks maybe…

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

I know you track the fwds far more in depth than I jez, just mentioning a little oddity I have picked up on recently. Agreed the brumbies 4/5 have stepped up and tbh so have a lot of the younger guys Aus wide in the 2nd row. Should be some healthy competition in the tall timber section in the coming yrs.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

One problem jeznez with the brumbies is that because every player does their role well and they are very much defined, it is actually rare for any one player to stand out in the stats. I wager Samu or Miller didn’t have vastly different stats to Valetini in that game. Last few matches its been really hard to pick out brumbies best (and worst), because they play as a unit. Not to say Valetini is amazing or otherwise, just an odd thing when it comes to the brumbies in particular.

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SMI – I don’t really understand the pt you are trying to make. Are you talking about forwards playing in the wider channels, or the twin openside policy?

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Both Wright and Hooper rove pretty openly in D, but as NB highlights Wright is much more on ball where as Hooper is all about recycling and being active in the line as much as possible. A linkman was there – LSL. He just didn’t perform the role well. I think the first example (first 2 vids) best show the difference. Wright did not track the ball at anywhere near the pace Hooper does, and that meant an out and out break, not a half break with Hooper likely there to make a tackle.

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1) You didn’t list an alternate in the comment I replied too.
2) Who says any team hooper is picked in is built around him? maybe he is the last bloke picked…
3) There is nothing wrong with the backrow you suggest. But, you need to provide reasoning, evidence. Is it more physical? Quicker? Better balanced? What aspects of the games is your alternate 7, Samu I assume, better at then Hooper?
Anyone can point out limitations/issues, but you need to list potential solutions and argue for why they are better. Whingeing for whingeing’s sake is counterproductive.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

I understand your pt entirely. What I am saying is that in those examples I do not think the ‘blame’ (or focus) should be on the loosie regardless of the style they are playing (tight or loose) as they were not the reason for the defensive lapse. Hooper and Wright both would’ve made a better go of it then LSL did in that cover eg. but the pt remains the loosie shouldn’t have had to cover if those outside them did their job. Therefore, I don’t think they are good examples to convey the pros/cons of the two styles of openside play. The sequence of Wright making the try saver and then pilfering is a much better eg of the tradeoffs/decisions to be made.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

Would this not lean toward a 6/7 combo of Wright and Hooper? Or maybe Samu and hooper… with Naisarani or Wilson at 8.

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Stop talking sense you.

The great Australian openside debate: Round 2

😂 Oh the irony Jonesy. The entire point of this article is that Wright could be a more effective player if he defended ‘as a back’. Yet, you bemoan Hooper and this very role, something he happens to be world class at. Fardy also plays this role well and regularly.

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