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All Lloyd was proposing was a good old shirtfront, which is not illegal.

Six Points: Lloyd's Bomber bake misses the point, Leon Cameron deserves more credit, and AFL flips fans the bird again

I agree with Lloyd. A team simply can not afford to allow it’s players to be run through (Merrett) or called a coward (Shiel). I would rather lose a game by 12 goals having responded, than lose by 10 having limply accepted them.

A team with any self-respect sends out the message that you might beat us, but bullying us will come with a cost.

Six Points: Lloyd's Bomber bake misses the point, Leon Cameron deserves more credit, and AFL flips fans the bird again

Even substandard Essendon teams of the past would not have tolerated the hit on Merrett and, later, Parker taunting Shiel. Shiel should have ironed out the first available Swan at the next bounce (after all, the benchmark for this game had been established by the Merrett incident).

Six Points: Lloyd's Bomber bake misses the point, Leon Cameron deserves more credit, and AFL flips fans the bird again

Lumumba is what’s known as a querulous and vexatious litigant. They usually end up sleeping in parks covered in leaves.

AFL NEWS: Buckley responds to new Heritier Lumumba allegations, Voss responds to viral Patrick Cripps incident

Of the 7 comments re the AFLW GF 4 were about the neddies. No need to say more.

AFLW grand final preview: Who wins the ultimate prize?

Beveridge criticised Morris’ work as a journalist and provided reasons, ie he was intentionally damaging the Yappers and that damage was motivated by a conflict of interest.

That, for a journalist, is a serious accusation and has never been answered.

It is now a moot question.

For the Bulldogs' sake - and his own - Luke Beveridge needs to pull his head in

Well done.

Journalists dish out criticism but thin skinned when they themselves cop it. They “stand by the story” and moan about being attacked just for doing their job, which is speaking truth to power apparently. They forget that the “fourth pillar” of democracy is also part of the power structure.

It looks as if someone was sitting on material that proved Morris is a nasty boofhead and that Beveridge’s remarks were in the ballpark.

The media's silence on Tom Morris is deafening

I suppose so you can say y”I rest my case M’Lud”.

Lyon predicts pitch won’t turn as Australia set sights on 3-0 series sweep

Why gob off? I thought Lyon was slightly smarter than that,,,

Lyon predicts pitch won’t turn as Australia set sights on 3-0 series sweep

To justify the captain being in charge, rather the the coach, based on a word count of the MCC rules is batty. On that basis the umpires should choose both the captain and the coach (600+ mentions). Or the ball (600+ mentions). Or the pitch (170+ mentions).

It is also untrue to say that the boss/subordinate stuff doesn’t apply to cricket. Any time there is a change in the senior leadership group there is a process of mutual adjustment whereby folks’ sorting roles, preferred operating styles, etc ar sorted out.

The captain should be able to sack the coach

I have obtained the AFL’s secret plan to merge footy with water polo.

Gillon, in a hastily scribbled margin note, asks “Can we have horses too?”:

https://www.examiner.com.au/story/5849668/afl-ceo-gill-mclachlan-saddling-up-for-barnbougle-polo/

Footy in the time of climate change and the players who are making a stand

Rowdy, et al

The FTA would show the games if CA would accept a lower price. But that would hit CA executive bonuses and the players’ pockets.

The domestic cricket season is simply not understandable. And the commentary is mostly awful – half of them carry on like hyenas that has been shot in the buttocks.

Limited overs, limited exposure: Cricket Australia's TV deal and the declining interest in the short forms of the game

George Ulyett as an allrounder?

The England ODI team that never played white-ball cricket

I expect you’ll be hearing from the HRC: Colin Miller has been misgingered!

Who makes the cut for a cricket carrot-top XI?

Ok. But how you would prefer the people that work for you to raise your shortcomings?

Cricket's generation game is ugly, but Cummins' leadership shows the way of the future

Lewis

I am neutral about Langer as coach and thought Cummins a very good appointment, even if there was no one else.

But anyone who thinks that the manner of Langer’s departure is not a major problem is either living in a dreamworld or an apologist for two faced double talk.

I daresay that the CA scriptwriting team are hard at work knocking up a “nothing to see here” response. It’s a day in and they seem to be struggling.

Cricket's generation game is ugly, but Cummins' leadership shows the way of the future

I played cricket in the 70s in this country and then in England in the early 80s. In this country there was a bit of chirping from the slips and during the change of ends, but it soon petered out if you ignored it. By way of comparison, there was almost no sledging in England.

Our game – too often mischaracterised as “aggressive” – was based on scoring quickly and taking wickets. The Poms seemed to place more emphasis on luring the opposition into a strategic trap of some sort.

I guess my point is that Waugh’s “mental disintegration” policy didn’t place much reliance on sledging but on the “full court press”, which the English temperament finds difficult to deal with. Michael Vaughan speaks of it here:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/how-steve-waugh-ruined-englands-2002-ashes-campaign-with-a-ruthless-act-of-mental-disintegration/news-story/115936ecc42ba24b1e3bf8917b5b215d

Cricket's generation game is ugly, but Cummins' leadership shows the way of the future

Paul

Ravi might have gone on consider evidence that the shift in power is appropriate and the extent of the shift is “about right” as they say. On the other hand those judgements lie down the track.

The players would do well to reflect on the fact that the view of the old guard is not nearly as important as that of the the fans. For example if fans get it into their heads that the players are arranging things to their own satisfaction rather than playing for them.

Are Aussie cricket players above the board?

I have no difficulty with Ravi’s approach, which is to state his hypothesis and provide the evidence that tends to support it.

Others in this thread have pointed to a set of vested interests such as franchises, new leagues, gambling, player managers, etc that have coalesced to shift the balance to the elite players.

Do the players still regard representing the Baggy Green as their fundamental objective? Or do they see the baggy green merely as a pathway to the astounding financial rewards of the IPL and their personal marketability?

Perhaps this is what defines the fault line between the current players and what many dismiss as the “old guard”.

Are Aussie cricket players above the board?

A counterfactual hero.

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

I think astrology is nonsense. But Capricorns a like that.

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

My first reading of the Ethics Centre all those years ago was that it was a simple case of A to B. I didn’t pick up, for example, that the EC thought that the Argus report was a big factor.

I suspect that one of the things that the “old guard” worries about is whether the current batch of elite players view the Baggy Green as a joint enterprise to IPL riches.

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

Prince

The CA investigation found that Steve Smith did know of the plan and did nothing to stop it. It’s in their statement of reasons for the penalty, which Smith accepted.

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

Clear as mud,

I have re-read the Ethics Centre report and don’t read it quite the same way – if I understand your opinion.

The one thing it does not do is draw a straight line between the culture of past sides and what happened in Cape Town. Instead, the report suggests more recent contributions to the culture that enabled it (see page 41):

1. Players became disaffected following the pay debacle;
2. Players’ maturity of judgement is increasingly affected by living in the “gilded bubble”;
3. Players’ win-at-all-costs is heightened in line with increasing financial rewards.

This is not to be an apologist for previous teams’ on field aggression. it was repellent.

Finally, one thing that people forget is the appalling way that the SA crowds and SA officials treated Warner. Where was CA?

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

What en extraordinary sleight of hand to attribute the shame of Cape Town to the culture of the past players rather than to the clowns that actually did it.

It doesn’t wash.

The toxic, cancerous culture of Australian cricket

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