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I really don’t think its mainly about money. If you look at the PI players in the All Blacks most of them were born in NZ, and the rest moved to NZ when they were very young. The only exception is Sitivatu – although he did go to school in NZ for a few years. If you increased the payments to PI players I can’t really see any of them deciding not to represent the country of their birth, or where they had grown up, to present Samoa/Tonga etc. Money may make a difference for those that are really borderline / can’t decide, or those that think they may struggle to make the All Blacks.
Should RWC teams become multi-national?
I never said the Big 5 needed any further assistance, but I don’t think you make international rugby better by robbing the rich to give to the poor. How about helping out the smaller/weaker nations without hurting the large ones?
Should RWC teams become multi-national?
Yes but the article doesn’t suggest how this can be done at all. The only theoretical difference between what a PI player can earn, and a player from say one of the 6N or 3N teams is from any top up they get for playing test rugby. Obviously a Tongan player is not going to get as much money from the Tongan RU as a NZ player from the NZRU. If it is mainly about money, shouldn’t we be looking at how the smaller nations can get a larger slice of the revenue pie, while not punishing the larger nations?
When I said shouldn’t get punished for “playing the game well” – I was mainly referring to countries such as Japan. They have lots of players, lots of money, yet they are rubbish. Their world cup record is pathetic, and as if to reward them, they have a vote in the IRB (the pacfic nations get one vote between them!).
Should RWC teams become multi-national?
Why don’t we also have a draft and salary cap and turn international rugby into a complete joke. What we could do is punish countries that play the game well and reward those that are poor by giving them the best young talent. I’m not sure exactly what the author is suggesting is done, but what you have said so far seems like a bad idea to me.
Should RWC teams become multi-national?
I agree with the Dallaglio suggestion. The current 3 year rule basically favours countries that have a pro- or semi-professional competition. How many foreigners (and I mean true foreigners, players that only reside in the country to play pro football) have played for Italy and Japan? How many ex NZ league players have played for England because they became eligible from playing in the Super League for a few years before switching to rugby? This is why the authors comparison of Vickerman, Muliaina and Hape is a bad one – Muliaina moved to NZ before he was 5, Hape to England to play rugby league, and Vickerman played under 21 rugby for South Africa. All are completely different, and to lump them together seems odd.
Should RWC teams become multi-national?
I usually think that the Fleet Street press are completely over the top when talking about football, especially regarding the FA and the English team. However in this situation they have a point, the whole process is a bit of a joke. That England only got two votes (including one from their own delegate) seems madness to me when the technical and financial aspects of their bids were rated so highly by FIFA. Hopefully the FA can use their influence to try and sort out the whole process – which borders on farcical. If they can bring UEFA on board with them then who knows?
I have one question that someone may be able to answer: why was it a secret ballot? Surely these delegates should have to put their hands up and say who they voted for, why should they not have to justify their decisions to the public?
As for Australia not being ready, how does their football pedigree compare to Qatar’s? Actually, how does Qatar’s football pedigree compare to anyones? Their national team has a FIFA ranking of 113! I completely agree that the A-League needs the administrators attention, but I really don’t see any reason why a world cup bid should make any difference to how well the professional game in Australia is administered. The FFA should be able to do both simultaneously.
Fix the A-League before worrying about World Cup
I wasn’t being serious in the “poaching” tag. Just trying to point out that if people want to throw the poaching tag at NZ, maybe they should take a closer look at the facts.
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
More like Samoa should stop poaching NZers. 14 of their 2007 RWC squad were born in NZ. Just crazy.
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
The reason they weren’t getting paid as well is because NZ eligible players were also getting compensated for the fact they may play test matches. In theory, the difference between what they receieve and say Vunibaka could be made up by match fees and alike that the FRU would pay Vunibaka, but of course, the FRU don’t have the revenue to pay their players as much. As for getting more in Europe, the same thing applies to nearly all NZ Super rugby players.
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
I don’t think so. It doesn’t really make sense if you think about it, it’s like the NZRU are deciding who you want to play Test rugby for. If Tonga selects a NZ born Super 14 player than its the player who decides whether to make themselves available – not anyone else. The NZRU cant exactly say “there is a chance in the future that the All Blacks coaches may want to select you, therefore we are going to block your request to play rugby for Tonga.”
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
I would disagree because of the fact that many of those players use NZ as a stepping stone to the European contracts. There are plenty of pacific players in both Super rugby and provincial rugby in NZ. The other way many of those players get recruited is through recognition in the IRB Sevens tournaments and test match rugby – such as the Pacific Nations Cup. So maybe the IRB deserve some recognition as well.
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
1) They can. The only country that doesn’t allow this is Australia (unless they are the marquee player).
2) Why only NZ? Why not have the 6N teams play them in the pacific as well?
3) This is no more valid than asking the NH unions to revenue share when they play tests.
I don’t get your last point. Pacific players are exempt from rules against NZ Super rugby teams picking foreign players – anyone who is eligible for both a pacific country and NZ can choose to play for Tonga, Samoa etc and not lose their contract. Provincial rugby doesn’t have rules stopping foreign players from playing.
Pacific rugby gets a yellow card from IRB
I think SBW was born in Auckland, and has both a NZ and Samoan passport.
Should a Wallaby fan cheer for the All Blacks?
According to the ARU Australia had about 130,000 regular players – although not sure if this is the same as registered players. Even if you go off the IRB figures though, Australia has more registered senior male players than New Zealand, 39,000 versus 27,000. At the end of the day though, the best measure of success between the two is probably the Bledisloe Cup, and using that, NZ comes out on top.
Should a Wallaby fan cheer for the All Blacks?
I agree with everyone above that Rattue isn’t worth reading. He definitely is the NZ equivalent of Stephen Jones, and like Jones, I don’t bother reading anything he writes anymore (I’ve given both of them enough chances to prove they have something insightful to say). On top of the fact he doesn’t really offer any insight, is nearly ALWAYS negative about the All Blacks (even when they are winning), and isn’t particularly funny, you can also be assured that 80% of his articles are simply re-hashes of previous ones. I’m sure the “its boring that the All Blacks keep winning” article has been written by him a good dozen times.
Should a Wallaby fan cheer for the All Blacks?
This might really test some statisticians out there. I was wondering what the difference would be if the All Blacks had awarded caps for matches against the Waratahs in the 1920s like the ARU have done. They were de facto Australia vs New Zealand matches back then because of the state of Queensland rugby. Another question, what if the All Blacks had awarded caps against some of the second tier nations before the 1987 World Cup. USA in 1980, Fiji in 1984 for example.
All Blacks poised to shatter some records
Hehe, nice try Poth Ale but you are forgetting draws. The All Blacks would have lost less than 25% of their tests.
All Blacks poised to shatter some records
Well that is an actual example of a neutral venue, but in that specific case France could have worn their traditional blue (rather than the dark blue) and the All Blacks their traditional black and it would have been fine! In the case of say Scotland vs NZ in Cardiff you’d do the coin toss thing – would be the only fair way.
England Rugby's new alternate strip
I know it is mainly about money, but certainly not all about money. France 2007, even the red English strip, shouldn’t really have happened. England can alter a blue playing strip every year to make sure fans want to keep buying the new one, but why use charcoal? Why red? The basic colour doesn’t need to change does it?
England Rugby's new alternate strip
Yeah I knew that, and I think its crap. Coin toss? How about when Scotland play in Scotland they are at home and when the All Blacks play in NZ they are at home?
England Rugby's new alternate strip
I’m sure your vast experience compares well to Mehrtens’ at Canterbury. Crusaders and the All Blacks. I remind you that you said “but played well behind dominant packs ONLY” – this is clearly not true, and I gave you only one example of why not.
Quade's game the problem with Wallabies
You had a point until I read “Merhtens was a great defender …NOT!!! but played well behind dominant packs ONLY. ” Yeah right. Like that dominant pack that had < 30% possession against the Brumbies in the 2000 Super 12 final? Actually many of those 1998-2000 Crusaders teams had forwards that didn't dominate (although that doesn't mean they were dominated either), yet Merhtens helped win them victory after victory – including a few finals.
Quade's game the problem with Wallabies
Its interesting you say he dominated Franks in the tight, but Loe says
” the reason I don’t think he was outdone in the tight was the way he and Tony Woodcock got through their work around the field. Believe me, you cannot perform like that if you are being given a hiding in an international scrum. If you don’t believe me, I invite you to try it …”
Which seems pretty reasonable to me. While I think Sheridan will benefit from playing, you could say that of any match after coming back from injury couldn’t you? I guess the point was that Franks will learn a lot from a match like that, Sheridan, not so much. Franks’ workrate it pretty awesome, just look at Tialata – the AB coaches have publicly stated he is there or there abouts as the best scrummager in NZ, but he is currently ranked 5th in the pecking order because his workrate around the field is too low (which is probably a fitness problem).
Will be interesting to see how many international teams play massive tight-fives in the World Cup next year, but I suppose we’ll have to wait until after the six and tri-nations to really know.
The Wallabies toughed out a hard win over Italy, good
Richard Loe’s view probably reflects that of many rugby followers in NZ that Sheridan can scrummage and that is it (unless he is up against Hayman – in which case he cant scrummage either). Why did the England coaches start someone without match fitness against the All Blacks? Propping depth not what it used to be? Hardly a game in which you want to give someone a training run.
The Wallabies toughed out a hard win over Italy, good
I’m talking about any effort to weaken them simply to make the international game more competitive. Not that this is every going to happen – between them they basically control the IRB.
Should RWC teams become multi-national?