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A life long lover of football whether playing, watching or writing about the game. Tactics, history, culture, and how they all intertwine throughout the world game is one of sport's greatest stories.

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AC Milan back to square one

Italian giants AC Milan have endured a shocking start to the 2012/2013 season. They lie in 11th place in Serie A, some nine points off the pace in the race for the Scudetto and five points adrift of rivals Internazionale in the race for Champions League qualification.

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AC Milan go back to Square One

Italian giants AC Milan have endured a shocking start to the 2012/2013 season. They lie in 11th place in Serie A, some nine points off the pace in the race for the Scudetto and five points adrift of rivals Internazionale in the race for Champions League qualification.

mrs kussy i agree with u that he is not there right at the top with ur locketts and what not but the pav and mcleod as u say have played for clubs in was and sa afl is life and death in those regions so of course its not gona hurt their status its an afl state. Brown is a special case as a triple p player his gona be remembered no matter what and he pav, mcleod with all due respect have never been the best 2 or 3 players in the comp at any time, as forwards yes and mcleod although very good his been overshadowed by roo mostly throughout his career so its sorta hard but goodes is totally different. There is no doubt him playing for syd has made him a peripheral figure, to what extent is up for debate.

Where does Adam Goodes stand among the game's greats?

look this piece is just something off the top of my head and was not articulated as well as i would have liked. The main issue im trying to bring to the fore is whether playing outside of melbourne in a non afl orientated city such as sydney has sort of taken away the gloss on a stellar career. Good players are good players and will be universally hailed. However when talking about the absolute best today, he is not in the spotlight making press conferences everyday and thus people forget adam goodes even still exists to be frank. His lack of exposure in sydney where the media blowtorch is not as candescent is exacerbated by the fact that he has been part of a team percieved as blue collar and dour,thus his impact is not amplified or recognised as much. He obiviously belies that perception personally but i also think the whole issue about his worst and best being too big a gap is not fair bast on b and f finishes. With him and with most players its not all about the numbers. His duel brownlows is not a true indication or a tool of elevation to greatness because it is not a totally accurate measure of how great a player is but rather a demonstration of good ones peak is. Longevity wise he has to be now considered a great who is still playing good footy not a superstar mixing it with the best because as people have already stated the game has changed and he is passed the point where he has to prove things and should be celebrated and admired for what he has done for the club. A time of retrospective examination. Simon black is a veteran playing great footy but he does not have all this pressure to continue to mix it with the best but is rather saluted for his career. Scotty west lastly in 06 was within a whisker of winning the brownlow but at 32 he had nothing to prove and nobody was comparing him to stars of that period such as judd, goodes,cousins etc so its important now people begin to appreciate just how much he has done for syd and start pencilling him in for how he should be remembered.

Where does Adam Goodes stand among the game's greats?

wow this is exactly how i feel personally. He is greatly underated considering the variety of roles he plays . If he plays on the ball and rests forward it would make sydney so much better but playing more forward would prolong his career. His greatest attribute is his ability to bring others into the game. Giving spangher his first goal on debut against gc with a handball over the top is something minor but it does wonders for the confidence of others. Truly spectacular and i do believe he will eventually be in that echelon of voss,hirs,buckley,ricciuto but not ur matthews,abletts etc. I think in terms of completeness he would have to be one of the most complete players of all time. Matthew pavlich is a classic example someone who is extraordinary up forward and effective in the middle put despite the physical similarities he cannot play ruck or be as effective on the ball. Once again i reiterate he is a nightmare matchup. Rotation of several opponents is necessary. The fact that a michael jamison plays on him when he plays forward and bryce gibbs tags him when he isin the middle attests to his influence wherever he plays and the impossibility of having just one opponent. Just imagine if he still played in the ruck

Where does Adam Goodes stand among the game's greats?

i totally agree with you right on the ball

Where does Adam Goodes stand among the game's greats?

i reckon the saints have had to win the last 2 weeks. The roos and port are not exactly quality teams but the eagles will provide a stern test. The dogs will finish in the 8 but im not so sure about the saints they seem to be very stale and dour and lack energy and vitality. If they dont make the 8 and even if they do, they have gotta make some big decisions in the off season

Bulldogs and St Kilda lurking in race for finals

i gotta say matt f is spot on. The experienced players play such a crucial role in developing the next batch of stars and thus you have to hold on to a few so that the transition becomes much smoother. I think west coasts youngsters have certainly stepped up in a big way as well which has aided the teams improvement. LeCras and Lynch have been great up forward and your sucklings,swifts,eberts,hams,schofields have been excellent in the middle along with experienced players like priddis and rosa. Eric Mckenzie and mitch brown are really learning their craft under glass and beau waters is providing some real grunt along with sam butler. With the best rock combo in the league with cox and nicnat theres a real nice spread. In saying that there older players wont be able to sustain this form forever so i dont think the rebuiilding phase has hit its climax and i reckon its a flase dawn.

West Coast an example for clubs to keep the faith

yeah i have to agree on the fact that the article is a bit confusing as to what it is trying to say but the bottom line is that the fed express is 30 and he will no longer maintain that tag if the last 2 years are anything to go by hence yes he is on the decline. I think for a legend like federer its no longer a matter of what stage did he get to at wimbledon or whether his made a quarter final and a semi and a final in his last 3 slams. He is the only man who can comfortably say ive been there and done it all and so for him he is gonna feel that either he wins a slam to feel like he is getting the job done or not winning any and feeling he needs to do more work. Its a tricky situation at 30 and approaching 31 you cant expect him to fend of 24-25 yr old counterparts who are more athletic and playing with more hunger. I guess like he said winning 20 slams is the goal now anything in between is just a blur and rankings and titles and prize money is not whats important. Lets judge him on whether his winning slams or not, not how close or far he is in comparison to his nearest ranking rival. Lets face it the last time fed lost 2sets to love up was to hewitt in 03 and it is an uncharacteristic performance. The cracks are starting to appear

Roger Federer to continue his descent?

okay fussball okay you can continue to to be japans number 1 fan

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

futbanous the espn article is really intriguing. I guess you have to strike a compromise in this instance. You either want a strong league or a strong national team. Only the likes of germany, france, spain, italy and to a certain extent england can say they have a strong domestic league as well as a strong national team. By strong team i mean a good tournament team because at the end of the day you will expose your better players to better leagues to improve your players and thus inprove the team. However while these top nations have the luxuary of grooming talent domestically and keeping them there because their leagues are elite. Thats not a luxuary australia has. The bottom line is that australia is clearly a better national team than their league. The bottom line is do you want to have a great dom league like the epl but have a underachieving national team like england? The dutch have a comparably poorer league yet they have a fantastic national side. Its a tricky situation but for developing footballing nations in asia like us we need to place an emphasis on building a strong national team then focusing on the league. I think its worth noting that players in australia have to hone their skills in oz before embarking on a european adventure so that they are ready to deliver in europe and not go too early and find themselves struggling for game time and halting their development

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

well perhaps i went overboard in my word choice but i think my article should be given its due respect and not taken out of proportion by arguing points that are not even related to what i am saying. I think everyone acknowledges that australia has been given a tough qualification process under oceania but thats just poor administration because a switch to asia should have been made a long time again. In saying that the oppostion in the play off round in recent times has not been as difficult as you think. Scotland in 1986, Israel and NZL in a play off group in 1990 where australia finished second is not good enough considering the weakish opposition, 1998 was a very beatable opponent in Iran and in 2002 uruguay were the opponents who wre hardly a powerhouse team. In the last 5 wc prior to making it only the 1994 qualification foe in argentina were extremely tough. Australia should have done better there are no excuses for the “hard opposition”.

And for the record i dont think you should be suggesting anything about writing articles if you don’t know what context my responses are originating from.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

i dont wanna beat a dead horse anymore but the facts are plain and simple. You have no basis for an argument for 1974 because we didnt even score a goal and thats just one wc compared to koreas half dozen that have included a ridiculous group. Australia have been given some pretty open groups in the last two wc but havnt taken advantage. I honestly though australia could make the semi finals because taking ghanas spot would have mean usa in the 16 then uruguay in the quarters and then who knows against the dutch but noooo the aussies couldnt d it. Same for 06 if we werent cheated by italy we wouldve had ukraine in the quarters and another semi beckons. This frustrates me immensely thats why this inability to seize the moment leaves our world cup record pitifull compared to the others.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

Okay my bad with Japan’s World cup record it is 4 yes not 7 I got mixed up with South Korea. Now Fussball if you were kind enough to actually read my article, then you would have noticed I wrote “Asia who were the perennial easybeats”and yes that does include South Korea because they are in Asia. Now you are arguing about world cup records. Why? I never said Japan and South korea have superior world cup records. That’s just stating the obvious. We are talking about player development may I remind.

Your preposterous postulation that South Korea have “done nothing” at the 4 world cups prior to 2002 is absolutely ludicrous and that just because Japan have made one more wc appearance than Australia means…..what?

Now I will give you a World Cup Lesson so that you don’t make pathetic comments.

The raw facts are that:
Japan have made 4 world cups to Aus’s 3. Those 4 are consecutive which is an achievement in itself not 32 years between drinks. Japan have made the round of 16 twice and Aus have done so once. Crystal clear Japan have a superior world cup record than Oz.

South Korea have almost tripled Aus appearances with 8 with a record 7 straight from 1986-2010. They almost reached a FINAL and made another round of 16 appearance in 2010.

Now your claim that South Korea have done nothing in the wc before 2002?

In 1986 South Korea were grouped with eventual winner Argentina, Italy and Bulgaria. Thats 3 powerhouse nations at the time. Korea lost 3-2 to Italy thanks to an own goal and drew with Bulgaria 1-1. Thats pretty commendable considering how bad Asian football was at the time.

In 1990 Korea again were drawn with giants Spain and Uruguay. They were defeated 3-1 and 1-0 to Spain and Uruguay. Hardly a disgrace.

In 1994 Korea again were dealt a crazy draw with Germany and Spain in their group. Korea drew 2-2 with Spain and lost 3-2 to Germany to finish 3rd in the group. You think its easy to get out of that group? Do you think its easy to even compete in this group?

In 1998 Korea were given a slightly(if any) easier draw with eventual Semi Finalist Netherlands, Mexico in their group. If there was a poor world cup where Korea seemingly did nothing it was only this world cup where they were trounced 5-0 by the Netherlands and finished last.

In 2002 Korea plays Portugal, Italy, Spain and Germany and beats 3 of them to make a Semi Final. That’s no fluke even if it was at home Korea faced the best of the best in this tournament and almost beat them all.

In 2006 Korea ends up with 4 points in a group including Togo and Switzerland and ends up missing out on the knockout rounds by a whisker and drawing with eventual runner up France 1-1.

In 2010 South Korea makes the round of 16 even after being hammered 4-1 by Argentina with 4 points in a group featuring Greece and Nigeria and ran Uruguay close to miss out on a quarter final berth.

Now I have added the last 2 world cups to show that Korea have won games and been close to making the knockout rounds when given a chance by the draw. You can see from 1986-1998 that Korea was drawn in the group of death (for them) almost every time in that period yet were only humbled once by the Netherlands and flew the flag for Asia and performed admirably against the world’s best and your saying they have done nothing? Id like to see our Aussie boys do that. 4-0 against Germany? This is World Cup pedigree that doesnt look too shabby when compared with the globe and you are trying to devalue it by comparing it to Australia? These are cold hard facts Fussball next time do some research.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

chillax chris i did watch it and watched agains to c how they lost. Both teams had a plethora of chances and i know aus dominated the first half but were clearly in trouble when defeding on the counter. Cahill playing upfront himself is not good enough there are no clinical finishers in this aus team. With all those chances there was not even one goal. What does that suggest? Japan played smart counter attacking football and lee scored the stunner in extra time- a clinical and emphatic volley. Im gutted as hell but its clear japan beat em fair and square.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

i totally agree with what you are saying expecially about how the domestic asian leagues are more superior than some european leagues. Im not devaluing the domestic leagues but im saying that australia have to find your harry kewells, tim cahills, mark schwazers and mark brescianos who are have played for are still playing for teams like liverpool, everton, fulham, blackburn and lazio. Of course playing for bucharest in romania or tomsk in russia will not be any different in terms of quality than a sydney fc. Sure these korean and japanese players have honed their skills at home to convert into success abroad but they were signed young enough to be raw and have a long career but old enough to deliver around 20-23. Our youngsters and i mean the top shelf ones have to get ready in oz and go over there asap to develop and become the harry or mark.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

thanks. I guess the article leads itself to purport just the rise of just korea and japan but in essence the whole continent has improved over the years just that these two nations have been at the forefront. I think even if is only a couple of countries that are doing well it raises the whole profile of a region so it makes chinese players for instance look better because they are in asia. I dont think at any stage australia have ever been ahead of japan and korea. I mean this as a collective team because sure the players aus have produced from a long time ago were absolute class right through to todays stars but 3 wc appearances compared japans 7 and korea who are chasing 8 consecutive world cups in 2014 for an overall of 10 proves over the stretch aus have not been ahead in a significant capacity. Yes most people commenting are saying there are several codes in australia and japan and korea etc have football as the number 1 sport but aus benefit from multiculturalism. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that one day aus can become a footballing superpower due to this reason because there are endless possibilities with brazilians,italians, africans,spaniards,croations etc being able to play for aus with the problem being retention of these talents. I think you would be out of your mind to think that the a league could one day become an elite league that is the pinnacle of the sport. Europe will always be the drawcard and lets face it a talent like amini would rather play in the bundesliga than the a league because its simply better. These leagues have taken decades to become what they are today and unless australia moves to europe by some geographic miracle it will never be showcasing the best talent but rather a breeding ground. You only have to look at argentina and brazil, they are two of the best footballing nations in the world yet their leagues that have been established for a long time lose all their talent to europe because that is where the holy grail is like it or not.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

david i think you are being ignorant if you think demolishing the uzbeks is a monumental achievement. Rankings mean nothing but australia being around the top 20 should now no longer struggle against anyone in the region not even japan or korea. Qualification for wc’s has to be seen as a breeze against teams like jordan, bahrain, uzbeks etc otherwise australia will never be a force if they struggle to beat these minnows. Clearly aus were outplayed by japan and were never threatening against korea. The asian cup just proved the superiority of japan and and making the final for aus was only a minor milestone. 2015 ac on home soil has be a win or aus def are stalling.

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

i dont think that will materialise im afraid ben and i agree morimoto has to leave catania he is a great talent but it might be time to go back to japan to hone his skills because if he cant cut it at catania then its pretty bleak

Asia begins to rise, but Australia stalling

Really good article i agree with most things. Being a die-hard blues fan i am not ready to declare that John Terry and Ashley Cole are passed it and believe they are capable of playing great football for a few years yet. As for the rest of the veterans i think its important to keep an extra experienced backup or to like a drogba or anelka and benayoun and malouda because one of the reasons chelsea were so dismal last season was that when they won the double they released Deco, Juliano Belliti, Michale Ballack, Ricardo Carvalho and Joe Cole. These players are experienced and hardened professionals who can steer Chelsea on course when they fall off the rails like when injuries hit last term, but the shipping out of a a significant number of players and leaving depth problems was the issue last year. If Lukaku or Neymar or Aguero wants to be signed to partner torres then kalou and anelka/drogba must go and gradually integrate danny into the XI. Modric or Sneijder or even Diego would add a spark but could cost michael essien or John Obi Mikel a spot in midfield. There are many things to way up, and like AVB said the team is good enough as it minus torres to win anything but injuries hit hard and bad form was a killer. Last season was an aberration and i think sticking to the 4-3-3 is important and i dont’t necessarily believe Chelsea have to change their style because they play a unique style combing power, fluidity, compactness and physicality into a mean machine and is rarely replicated in world football. If they can add some class and fleet footedness into this team to add to the grunt and power then it can win the cl but i would say buy a playmaker and forward and integrate the youngsters and c how u go and if it doesnt go right then start to rebuild

Five things Chelsea can do to win the League

wow this is a really nice article well done. I think its a really valid point that players should not be compared across different eras simply because of the many variables that need to be taken into account. The whole notion of technological improvements that may improve modern perfromances as opposed to the whole environment of modern players and the scrutiny they cop and how their lives on and off the pitch is magnified. The idea that a pele or a maradona with modern day treatment and boots etc could play even better or they would not be able to cope with the intense media scrutiny of today and thus would not be as good as how a ronaldo or messi plays today. There are endless arguements for which player or club is the best ever but really it is a futile argument and so your peles, maradonas and messis have to be labelled as the best of their generation because you just simply cannot make a bias free and impartial judgement like in any other sport . On the argument itself i am not a barcelona supporter or someone who loves to watch messi more than any other player but i admire barcelonas football and marvel at messi. I believe barcelona are not the greatest side ever and dont believe messi is the best ever player. I think it is an insult to players such as ronaldo,ronaldinho and cristiano ronaldo or even an alessandro del piero or zidane who have played a lot longer than messi to not even be mentioned in the same breath or considered better. If messi can continue to play like this for a long time then he has to be considered the best of his generation and in the conversation for best ever. My question is where do you draw the line for gen? Surely a ronaldo or zidane or has to be mentioned in this arguement if we are talking about generations.

Football's great but futile 'best ever' debate

hi i reckon you have a valid point but you just cannot measure footballing performance by statistics-at least not find consclusive evidence that one team is greater than another from one era to another. Barcelona are a terrific side and i have a lot of admiration for how they go about the game- it is pure, stylish,brilliant and more importantly wins games. Now there have been phenomenal teams that have been assembled over the journey like your liverpools, real madrids, manchester uniteds and milans but i believe that barca cannot be considered the greatest of all time unanimously until they breakaway from the most important statistic of all- trophies won. Real, liverpool,bayern and ajax all won 3 cl title during their golden era while milan and united have won 2 and 1 during there dominant periods. If barca can perhaps do the unthinkable and win it 2 years in a row(which is historically almost impossible as no one has achieved this in the cl era) or even a 3 peat and stretch that cl titles won to 4 or 5 with the continued application of this spellbounding style then i like many would say they are the greatest of all time. Many people are hooked and convinced by the fact that barcas brilliant and philosophical approach as opposed to a pragmatic style that has won them their trophies is the reason why they should be considered the greatest but im sure that you win dont win two trophies for winning with style. The statisitics of pass completion etc are a reflection of how they play not their dominance- ball retention is an aspect of the game just like playing direct or long passing or crossing- barca have just identified this as the most vital part. Perhaps they are the most brilliant side ever but greatest is not meritted yet. I believe manchester uniteds 1991-2011 side is the greatest ever because it keeps winning and plays beautifully and has contained some of the greatest players of all time. Most people dont know that barca went 6 years without a trophy before dinho brought back the glory and thus the modern barca are a reward for patience and belief in a philosophy. United have stayed strong all throughout and represents winning.

Don't get caught up in Barcelona hyperbole

well it was right wasnt it?

UEFA Champions League Final 2011 preview

My mate is a Avid Gunners supporter and I have discussed this in detail with him but the stadium was built in 2006 and it has been 6 years now without a trophy which is farcical, surely they would have won something during this time i mean this isnt Stoke City, it is Europes powerhouses. When Wenger adjusts or is sacked by someone who gets it right then Arsenal can be a real force with the spine of the team of Scshezny,Vermauelen, Sagna, Cesc, Song, Nasri, Walcott and Van Perise leading the way with important signings that fixes up problems at Cb, wide player and quality striker that competes with RVP to find a starting spot in order to keep him working hard.

The changing of the guard in European Football

In fairness i do think that Inter Milan won’t be seeing much success in the near future unless household changes are made as is the same for Bayern as they are already lining up changes. As for Chelsea their ageing squad could be mowed down very soon by a younger and more hungrier team such as Arsenal or Man city

The changing of the guard in European Football

I would have to disagree with you that Hertha Berlin is the biggest team in Germany. I don’t know if you mean by prestige or supporters but Bayern Munich and the usual suspects such as Leverkusen, Dortmund, Hamburg and Stuttgart are certainly bigger than Hertha. I do agree that it is highly competitive as a league collectively but once it comes to the cream of the crop Bayern really don’t face much competition at all to be perfectly honest, just the relegation battling and mid table and european tussling is fascinating. It is Europe’s highest scoring league and thus is a great spectacle but to say the British or Spanish leagues are the most watched leagues and are far more superior to the Bundesliga in terms of overall quality and would never be threatened by the bundersliga. Economics really isnt relevant in this case. Rather the wastage lies with Bayern, their spending capabilities compared to their domestic counterparts is quite ridiculous and to not win a trophy with the likes of Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Klose runny around for them is pretty woeful and really it would be complacency or sheer jadedness that would stop them from winning every year in the league considering only Stuttgartin 07 and Wolfsburg in 09 and of course Dortmund now have won the bundesliga in the last 10 years just to show Bayern’s dominance o recent times

The changing of the guard in European Football