AFL takes big strides into Western Sydney
By Ben Somerford, 19 Feb 2010 Ben Somerford is a Roar Expert
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Sydney coach Paul Roos discusses tactics with assistant coach John Longmire at the three-quarter time break during the AFL Round 08 match between the Sydney Swans and the Essendon Bombers at ANZ Stadium. Slattery Images
When Sydney and Carlton meet in Saturday’s NAB Cup match the AFL will take a significant stride in it’s push into west Sydney with the first ever elite-level match at the GWS headquarters in Blacktown. And with the match already sold out, it could be quite the debut.
On the official Team GWS website yesterday it was revealed the game had ‘SOLD OUT’ despite not involving the new franchise, so there’s no doubt this fixture is all about making inroads into western Sydney in anticipation of their entrance into the AFL in 2012.
The AFL will be delighted with the response to Saturday’s game, although it should be noted the Blacktown Olympic Park only has a capacity of around 10,000.
Nevertheless, it is a response which will ensure other codes in the region take some serious notice of the AFL’s expansion into western Sydney.
And curiously the Swans-Blues NAB Cup clash has been scheduled on the same night as the NRL’s pre-season ‘Battle of the West’ between western Sydney-based pair Penrith Panthers and Parramatta Eels.
NRL Chief Executive David Gallop recently laughed the scheduling clash off as a coincidence, despite the NRL having set their date a long time before the AFL.
And a Team GWS spokesperson echoed Gallop’s sentiment in the local Blacktown Advocate last week.
Still, the clash in schedules means the ‘war of the codes’ could begin this Saturday night. So the NAB Cup sell-out will certainly enthuse the AFL.
But Geelong two-time premiership-winning coach Mark Thompson believes a battle of the codes isn’t necessary.
Thompson and the Cats spent three days in Holroyd and Parramatta last week, and the Geelong mentor told the Parramatta Advertiser there’s room for all.
“I don’t think we have to compete against rugby league,’’ he said.
“We have the Melbourne Storm, and they’re a great football team. They are my team and I support them even though they are in a different code.
“This is the biggest city in Australia and I see no reason why two AFL sides can’t survive with everything else.”
But Thompson’s view is typical of an AFL perspective, while NRL fans may feel Aussie Rules is intruding on their turf.
Whichever way you are inclined, the proof will be in the pudding, and Saturday’s NAB Cup sell-out at Blacktown appears to be a good starting-point for the AFL.
That response certainly exceeded my modest expectations of the region’s interest in AFL footy at this point, although the involvement of the Swans will have had an effect too.
Still, that latter point shouldn’t be overemphasised as this is only a pre-season game where large, parochial support is rarely forthcoming and the Swans are hardly a hot ticket right now, as they are in a re-building phase and haven’t won a NAB Cup game for years.
And if you look back to the 2004 Wizard Home Loans Cup, Sydney (in the year before they won the AFL premiership) played Carlton out at Homebush Bay at the-then-titled Telstra Stadium in front of just over 6,000 fans. This latest figure is certainly an improvement which symbolises progress in the region.
It was also revealed this week the Swans will definitely play another pre-season game at Blacktown on March 6 and possibly another there next weekend should they lose on Saturday. The success of these games will be monitored.
But it is, of course, early days with the Team GWS franchise entering the AFL in 2012, so we shouldn’t get too carried away especially considering these are pre-season matches.
Nevertheless, the pre-season offers the AFL a good insight into how much existing support there is for Aussie Rules in the region and this is their first real chance to gauge that out at Blacktown.
Obviously, the AFL need to generate and stimulate interest in Aussie Rules footy in the region prior to Team GWS’s entrance into the competition and Kevin Sheedy’s appointment as coach has a lot to do with just that.
But I’m sure the AFL will feel it is nice to know what they’re working with and I dare say a lot of those who pre-purchased for this Saturday already have an interest in AFL footy. Most won’t need to be converted.
Indeed, more than anything, Saturday’s sell-out is a strong and encouraging message for the AFL as they strive to make inroads into western Sydney. But there’s still plenty of work to be done.
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Hansie said | February 19th 2010 @ 5:21am | Report comment
Aren’t we getting a bit too excited? I mean, a crowd of 10,000 people in a city of 4 million people for a match involving two high profile teams doesn’t seem such a big achievement.
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 6:25am | Report comment
Fair comment. If we take the GWS regional population as 2 million, then 10K really isn’t much to get excited about. Similarly however, if the AFL can get regular crowds of 25K or so for the new WS team then they’d probably be reasonably satisfied – and that’s only a bit over 1% of the population so should be eminently achievable.
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:58am | Report comment
What you say is true Hansie – however, they just can’t fit any more people in ! – not too shabby…
AndyRoo said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:06am | Report comment
It’s 10k to a pre season match, I think that’s actually pretty good.
I think the fact they will be mainly Swans fans is overstated, right now GWS is a couple of press releases and a coach. I think people will be waiting until the side has actually kicked a ball in anger before they starting gettting GWS tattoos.
And GWS is unlikely to even be the name!
Ian said | February 19th 2010 @ 5:38am | Report comment
I like the Geelong coaches comment “I don’t think we have to compete against rugby league,’’
In Victoria the AFL certainly doesn’t compete with the rugby league because its mates at Channel Nine ensure there is no competition. Channel Nine play the rugby league after midnight or not at all if scheduled against the AFL. The AFL need to be mindful that everywhere the two codes are shown at the same time (Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane Regional NSW & QLD) the rugby league wins the ratings.
Only south of the Barrassi line does the AFL enjoy a clean run and hence dominate media and fan base. When Sentator Conroy finally gets around to eliminating the restrictive anti-siphoning legislation, which allows such hoarding, then all codes, fans and media can “compete” on a level playing field.
The AFL is delusional if it thinks it can waltz into Sydney, win the hearts and minds of locals and “compete” against a far more entertaining game without wasting a lot of money, time and effort in the process. And for reasons mentioned above, they’re going to need a decent war chest when Rugby League (or any other competing code) finally gets a fair run in the AFL heartland.
The AFL is delusional if it thinks it can waltz into Sydney, win the hearts and minds of locals and “compete” against a far more entertaining game without wasting a lot of money, time and effort in the process. And for reasons mentioned above, they’re going to need a decent war chest when Rugby League (or any other competing code) finally gets a fair run in the AFL heartland.
Bring it on!
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 6:21am | Report comment
“In Victoria the AFL certainly doesn’t compete with the rugby league because its mates at Channel Nine ensure there is no competition.” So you’re saying that channel 9 senior executives willfully & deliberately hurt their own ratings performance thus limiting opportunities for advancement, success and bonus payments out of a deep-seated loyalty to AFL – really?
“The AFL need to be mindful that everywhere the two codes are shown at the same time (Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane Regional NSW & QLD) the rugby league wins the ratings.” That would be because these are states where RL is the no. 1 sport. I’m going to hazard a wild guess and suggest that if RL were shown in Victoria in direct competition against the AFL it might just struggle.
I respect your loyalty to league Ian, but if you really think that AFL dominates in Victoria, WA and SA because of an unfair media monopoly, and that this situation will change if anti-siphoning legislation does then I suspect the delusional thinking is a little closer to home.
Ian said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:08am | Report comment
So you’re saying that channel 9 senior executives willfully & deliberately hurt their own ratings performance thus limiting opportunities for advancement, success and bonus payments out of a deep-seated loyalty to AFL – really?
Absolutely. A product as good as the rugby league scares the hell out of the local code. Not only does Channel Nine refuse to show rugby league against the AFL, it won’t even on sell to Subscription TV, hence giving the local code a clear run. There is no logical or commercial reason why they cannot on sell the rights, yet they continue to do so.
“suggest that if RL were shown in Victoria in direct competition against the AFL it might just struggle”. Maybe, but it’s never happened because of reasons expressed above. The State of Origin, finals series all rate in Victoria, yet aren’t given a “fair go”.
The removal of restrictive legislation such as the anti siphoning act will in the end restore a natural market balance rather than the distorted, regionalised rubbish we have to endure because of where we live. Australians sports fans suffer a lack of choice because of such “unfair media monopoly”. I accept, AFL will continue to dominate in VIC, SA and WA even after changes to the legislation, but at least the local code won’t have the clear run that it enjoys to the detriment of other football code fans.
Ian said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:14am | Report comment
With respect to your first paragraph, Absolutely. A product as good as the rugby league scares the hell out of the local code. Not only does Channel Nine refuse to show rugby league against the AFL, it won’t even on sell to Subscription TV, hence giving the local code a clear run. There is no logical or commercial reason why they cannot on sell the rights, yet they continue to do so.
“suggest that if RL were shown in Victoria in direct competition against the AFL it might just struggle”. Maybe, but it’s never happened because of reasons expressed above. The State of Origin, finals series all rate in Victoria, yet aren’t given a “fair go”.
The removal of restrictive legislation such as the anti siphoning act will in the end restore a natural market balance rather than the distorted, regionalised rubbish we have to endure because of where we live. Australians sports fans suffer a lack of choice because of such “unfair media monopoly”. I accept, AFL will continue to dominate in VIC, SA and WA even after changes to the legislation, but at least the local code won’t have the clear run that it enjoys to the detriment of other football code fans.
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
And the ‘Sheedy’ cheerleaders on the Roar accused RL of running scared due to a little competition.
The AFL also has a bit of history in this, Channel 7 with the NSL & Sen with the A-League this year, both media outlets were pressured by the AFL over the showing of rival sports.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Mate, Sheedy deserves as much respect as someone like Wayne Bennett does, in terms of longevity in the game, and a record of success.
Of course, the similarities don’t end there – they are both, how can I put it – unique individuals!!
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Two premierships in the early 80′s before the competition had a salary cap (Essendon being one of the wealthiest clubs at the time) and a premiership in the early 90′s due to salary cap breaches is hardly a success on the coaches part. Only four premierships in 25 odd years isn’t that great.
IWest Sydney will be the AFL’s Waterloo.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Al
I reckon Collingwood (1 flag in 50 years), St Kilda and Doggies (1 each ever) would satisfy themselves with 4 flags in 25 years,
and ever since the comp went to 16 clubs and 2 prelims – the real measure is of how often a team presents at the 2nd last week in September (prelim final weekend). Ess lost 2 prelims by a point each……..thankfully North won the GF both those years. Sheedy is still dirty, he reckons Ess was the best team each year. (only thing that stopped Hird from being just ‘great’ to an ‘immortal’).
(such a shame really!!! cheers Redb)
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
The bloke is like 70 years old and was essentially sacked by Essendon for being too old school. He’s only there as a human headline and so far he has done more to piss people off than to help them embrace his team.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Al -
I heard Ray Warren on the radio yesterday (having a good extended chat on sports927) and he commented that he is warming to Sheedy now – - although initially having been taken aback a tad by the “Who’s Nathan Hindmarsh” comment.
It’ll be interesting to see if others who may have (chosen to have) been offended will come round or not.
reality is – Sheedy is Sheedy, and he can polarise and even amongst his own club supporters. But, he’s always been good ‘value’ (at least for the media).
Not sure just how much match day AFL coaching he’s going to be required to do come 2012 anyway?? ‘head coach’, but delegate match day duties?
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
I hope he goes through with his promise to buy a membership for every League club in the West – seeing at least one home game with each club would be some great PR – and Sheeds would love it (mixing with coaches and the like).
When it comes down to it, professional players and coaches love mixing with other sports – becuause of the genuine interest and because the amount they can learn about how different professionals prepare for match day, etc.
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:22am | Report comment
The whole Nathan Hindmarsh, Hindmarsh stadium thing pissed alot of people off.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Punter -
I do believe the NSL was a national competition……….you might be able to blame the VFL in MElbourne with HSV7……but who do you blame around the rest of this fine nation????
SEN -
????
what are you on about with SEN??
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Any mention of AFL on the Today show this morning MC?
Still waiting on your reply from yesterday in another thread mate.
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
ummmm, Channel 7 for the NSL, pressured by the AFL.
Sen was broadcasting live MV games, this year nothing, AFL!!!!
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
This morning on SEN Watson and whoever the other muppet is with him could not bring themselves to talk about last night’s final without ripping into Muscat about his “diving”. They turned the entire half hour into a diatribe about how diving is acceptable in soccer (thus inferring that soccer is weak) and how the local game is a game played by “real” blokes (you know, the alleged raping, drug dealing, woman bashing types). The whole thing stank of the “shielas, wogs and poofters” syndrome.
SEN is merely a puppet of the AFL and they sink the boot into soccer at every opportunity. The AFL is one of this country’s most despicable organisations.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Rod -
no idea old son,
I did see some coverage of Dean Solomon’s retirement on Ch.10 this morning.
And I saw on whatever channel I flicked thru the highlights of MVFC from last night.
What’s it all mean???
Punter -
SEN still covers ‘em, doesn’t it?? I thought if it wasn’t on live on the radio then it’d be streamed…….the sooner everyone has digital radio sets the better!!! I thought the soccer was getting bumped by domestic T20 cricket wasn’t it??? (must be code for ‘AFL’??). Look – I dunno – I don’t tune in or out to SEN during summer.
During AFL season – well, of course HAL gets bumped. SEN was dead in the water financially without broadcasting rights for the AFL. Now they aren’t. Face it. That’s market forces dictating what is commercially viable for a sports radio station in Melbourne during winter – - not hard to figure out, surely??
btw – you’ve got A-League on ABC grandstand now too.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Al -
hate to see how you treat you enemies.
SEN is the best friend soccer has in this city.
They spoke to Simon Hill this morning, and Tim Watson used his tongue in cheek “Watto’s waste” to suggest that the ‘sand pit effect’ at the one end should be replicated around the world for soccer to cushion the fall of divers……….it was a joke.
And btw – Muscat’s comments about given the ref something to smile about……..
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Michael C – SEN is not soccer’s best friend in this city. If they were, they would have given yesterday game more prominent coverage during the week and more importantly broadcast the game on their main station (not including their digital radio station).
They did neither.
Infact, if yoyu wanted to listen to the game last night, you had to listen to ABC 774 with Gerard Whateley. When I jumped back in the car after the game ABC radio was still covering the game post match. On SEN I heard zilch. You would not have known the game was even played.
Keep up the misinformation Michael – or do I have come here and set the record straight.
slickwilly said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:18am | Report comment
having read a well responded to roar thread over the last couple of days i was led to believe the abc was toooooo afl friendly… i mean really, broadcasting a soccer match live on radio… and by an award winning afl commentator to boot… unbelievable
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
yes, it is unbelievable slickwilly but its true. actually they have broadcast a number of Victory matches this season.
jimbo, the author of “abc is too afl friendly” piece from a few days ago does not live in Melbourne. He’s missing out
Beast-A-Tron said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
“Infact, if yoyu wanted to listen to the game last night, you had to listen to ABC 774 with Gerard Whateley.”
Wasn’t there an article the other day how ABC has supposedly become a football shill? Seems according to the tinfoil hat wearers (depending on the day of the week) ABC is the mouthpiece of the AFL only to be replaced by SEN! It’s hard to keep up with these conspiracy theories, they seem to evolve to suit the daily agenda!
Beast-A-Tron said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
“…both media outlets were pressured by the AFL over the showing of rival sports.”
How? Got proof?
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Beast-A ” Pacific Star Networks owner of SEN granted the AFL 10 million share options as part of the agreement to broadcast AFL. Don’t you then find it strange that SEN has stopped broadcasting A-League games on 1116 ?? Or have we missed something??
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
The AFL has no one on the board, and SEN granted those share options as the only way of ‘affording’ to purchase AFL broadcasting rights,
why?
because they were dead in the water without them.
ipso facto – they will exercise those broadcasting rights – - – which during the AFL season is at the expense of the previously covered :
VFL, NRL and on the odd occassion the HAL (although they get streamed on occasions).
There is a serious point to this – - it’s NOT the job of the radio station to promote anything in particular – - SEN have often stated their disappointment with people like Australian Golfers who are reluctant to come on and do an interview (who then whinge that the game needs support). SEN gives regular slots to Victory and soccer has regular slots – - beyond that – the people have to make themselves available. Don’t confuse a 1 team soccer town with a 9.5 team AFL town.
Actually – this is a key point for getting a 2nd team into town – - it doubles the number of players available for media commitments/opportunities, and for community interaction.
For AFL in Sydney – a 2nd team means twice the number of Sydney based games for kids to play Auskick on the oval at half time etc etc.
ANd importantly – if a team like MVFC is into a seriously busy phase of interstate match, home mid week final, jetting off for an ACL game, back home for interstate final etc etc…..and the players aren’t overly available – - – then who do you talk to??? who’s going to promote??? The on air talent aren’t paid to promote, niether the AFL nor the HAL. Did you hear Francis Leach before xmas pay out on the AFL because the FFA was blaming the AFL for Melb maybe missing out on FIFA WC matches…….Leach is a soccer man as much as anything. He didn’t miss a beat in launching an anti-AFL tirade. He’s still on air. If the AFL had any pull…he’d be long gone by now.
btw – did SEN have prior commitments last night?? I don’t know – I’m not listening that time of day, too busy getting kids into bed and then watching “7 ages of Rock” – - – are they running the winter olympics or something??
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Michael C -SEN had no commitments last night. So can you please then tell me why they did not broadcast the A-League final last night. They had no problems doing this in other years.
Otherwise .QED. Case Closed.
holylulz said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
The conspiracy theories fly thick and fast around here. You are aware that channel seven tried to give away the rights to the NSL, but nobody wanted them? It had nothing to do with pressure from the AFL, it was an essentially worthless product that couldn’t be given away.
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:47am | Report comment
“There is no logical or commercial reason why they cannot on sell the rights, yet they continue to do so.” Are you serious? Have you ever heard of denying product to competitors? The Australian FTA networks do this sort of thing all the time – wrap up the rights to events which they then refuse to broadcast live. Hence the push for a ‘use it or lose it’ clause in new legislation governing the broadcast of sporting events.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
not just events – - – on air talent too………….I love how they sometimes described it as ‘warehousing’ on air talent.
Ian said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more with you here.
Unfortunately the provisions in the current anti hoarding legislation lack any teeth and are reliant on the communications minister of the day making an assessment.
In light of revelations of Sentator Conroy attending three AFL Finals games last year (as a guest of the AFL and FTA), his recent trip to Colorado and subsequent gifts to the FTA networks, I feel he is more interested in featherbedding his relationship with the Networks rather than looking after the poor sports fan.
holylulz said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
Interesting you mention that, because apparently the Liberals had no problem with Conroy making his ‘gift’ to the FTA networks until at the same time Conroy was in Colorado, Abbott was having dinner with Murdoch after which the Liberal policy changed. Murdoch owns Foxtel which is a competitor to the FTA networks, Murdoch also owns all the newspapers that came out so strongly against the ‘gift’, so whose nest is getting feathered?
The ‘gift’ by the way, is supposedly justified by deflation in the value of the spectrum used by FTA from 25 years ago, in light of increases in other entertainment mediums such as the Internet, and consequently the reduced advertising income. I don’t agree with it personally, but there is a reason contrived or not.
Ian said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Check out
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/free-tv-may-have-to-use-sport-or-lose-it-20100219-ojn8.html
Senator Conroy said free-to-air television operators had damaged their argument for retention of current arrangements by purchasing sporting rights and then not broadcasting them.
“That has led to an enormous backlash against commercial TV,” he told ABC Radio on Friday.
“I think there is a very valid case to be made for a use-it-or-lose-it style provision.”
B.C. said | February 19th 2010 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Do, do, you, you, ever, ever, repeat, repeat, yourself, yourself
holylulz said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
The logical contortions League fans and commentators make to justify the weak position of the NRL relative to the the AFL is genuinely laughable. Television networks care only about money, they don’t care what they broadcast so long as it maximizes profit. The reason the AFL gets bigger TV rights deals? It makes broadcasters more money. But no, the deluded cry, it’s a conspiracy!
I hope you guys don’t really believe the nonsense you talk, because you’re setting yourselves up for a world of pain when the next AFL rights get double the NRL rights and the GWS establishes itself as the second most popular club in Sydney, after the Swans. Neither of which will be due to insane conspiracies.
Ian said | February 20th 2010 @ 6:27am | Report comment
……and the reason the AFL makes broadcasters more money is due to the lack of any “competition” in its heartland.
The media machine in Melbourne is totally based around the AFL running a sharp protection racket that even the Mafia and Unions would be pleased with. The Rugby League has never been sheduled against a live AFL game in recent years and for good reason, as when the AFL has to “compete” it bombs.
At least in Sydney, some semblance of competition exists and the AFL is placed well behind Rugby League and Iron Chef.
holylulz said | February 20th 2010 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Oh brother… you really are a laugh riot. The networks are run from Sydney, all programming is determined in Sydney, decisions on what programmes to purchase and how much to pay are made in Sydney. NRL isn’t broadcast into Victoria in prime time because it would make a loss and believe it or not television companies exist to make money. If the NRL is too greedy/stupid to make a deal with the networks that compensates them for lost revenue as a result of broadcasting into Victoria then it’s their own stupid fault.
If you need someone to blame for the lack of coverage of NRL in Victoria, then blame the NRL because it has nothing to do with the AFL and your bizarre and amusing conspiracy theories. If you continue believing your delusions and fantasy stories, reality is going to smack you very very hard.
Justin said | February 20th 2010 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
“The Rugby League has never been sheduled against a live AFL game in recent years and for good reason, as when the AFL has to “compete” it bombs.”
Absolutely farking delusional.
Thanks for the giggle
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:56am | Report comment
I’m all in favour of the new GWS team, in fact, I’m looking forward to it – but I wouldn’t put too much store in selling 10,000 tickets to this particular game – in the scheme of things, it doesn’t mean too much to be honest.
Dogs Of War said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Especially when the majority of that 10K crowd are wearing Red and White.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Precisely – and Roos has made a big point of trying to win over more Swans fans before GWS comes in – so holding the match there might actually turn out to be a double edged sword (plus, I suspect Carlton is a bit like Collingwood and has a fair bit of support scattered around Australia).
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
So, I gather you feel it can only be a success if GWS colours are displayed prominently ! . . . ???
Dogs Of War said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:32am | Report comment
It will be successful for the Swans who really need to ensure their fans remain that, rather than defecting to the new team.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:38am | Report comment
BigAl
I’m just saying it’s no biggie either way, and if it’s mostly Swans fans (and we all know there at least 10,000 keen ones in Sydney), it doesn’t mean squat one way or the other.
Sure – the AFL will spin – any sporting organisation worth their salt would do the same thing – but here on the Roar, we should be intelligent enough and honest enough to call it the way it is.
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
BigAl wrote:
So, I gather you feel it can only be a success if GWS colours are displayed prominently ! . . . ???
………………………………
Of course.
The Swans have support in Sydney, this game was going to sell out regardless because it’s the first time the stadium is to be used.
GWS has absolutely nothing to do with this.
GWS is still 2 years away, no one knows what their colours are, what their real name will be or who will be playing for them.
Some people will believe any propaganda that the ALF spin.
That’s why RL people believe ALF fans to be blinded sheep who follow everything the people running the game say regardless if it’s right or wrong.
They don’t seem to ever question anything, they just “go along with it all”.
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:35am | Report comment
So who is this dastardley ALF ??
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
ALF is now used commonly as a put down, and I believe the Roar editors should not allow its use.
It’s completely unnecessary in an intelligent forum like the Roar.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Rod -
no need to be deliberately offensive about it – - I do believe that we all share that view – that this 10,000 isn’t so much about a ‘success’,
it’s just it’s not a failure,
but whose failure would it be anyway??
Nothing to do with AFL propaganda or spin. And correct – the day (including the peripheral entertainment) is more about showing off the venue to the local community one would’ve thought.
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:45am | Report comment
MC, offensive?
What in the world are you talking about?
I said my opinion and there was nothing offensive about it, AFL fans follow everything the AFL says like sheep following the herder.
Blacktown sold out, well the AFL and its media arm say it’s because of the GWS side, yep, every AFL fan jumps on the wagon and believes it.
The only reason this was dragged up is because one of LU oldest trolls posted about this last week at bigfooty, his name starts with a B and he thinks he’s an Aussie
Since then, the media have ran with it.
AGO74 said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Agree with you Dogs of War. Honestly, it’s a freakin trial. I’m playing devil’s advocate here but may I ask also what the percentage of bought tickets is versus tickets given away??
Ben – you need to have a bex and a good lie down. You mention sell-out or sold out 5 times in your short piece. It’s not that extraordinary.
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Exactly Dogs, how the AFL mob can get this printed in Newspapers and reported on TV with a straight face astounds me.
Sydney selling out a 10k stadium in Sydney, wow, what’s the world coming too.
Australian Football said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Mate it’s really 10k free give away tickets. Check out Roy Master’s columns last year and you will see how it’s done.
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Paul J said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:15am | Report comment
FTA is the key.
Has anyone heard any rumors about the future for GWS on TV. Will channel 7 put two AFL games prime time in Sydney every week, or will the two teams have to share the one time slot?
The swans average about 90-100K viewers per game. Is there a hot tip for GWS?
jimbo said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:26am | Report comment
The Swans live TV games were dropped in Sydney because they rated poorly – last behind the Iron Chef.
Indications are that Swans will have a similar year this year will falling memberships and attendances.
The 10K crowd for the NAB cup looks promising for GWS but a lot of free tickets were given away and “competitions” in the local papers to “win tickets”. The people who had to pay for a ticket are not too happy.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:40am | Report comment
“The people who had to pay for a ticket are not too happy. ”
Did you survey them??
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Out of the 10k i believe around 1800 were for local clubs, promotional, corporate, etc etc etc.
Over 8,000 were sold, but i do not know the prices.
Simmo said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
context for the sell-out here:
http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29422&page=11
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Jimbo . . . I find it completely implausible that you would lower yourself to associate with people who would attend an AFL match, let alone those who would actually ‘pay for a ticket’ !! – so how you would know they are . . .
‘not too happy’ is beyond me ! – you really need to lift your game.
p.s. Your dribbling is just fine, concentrate heavily on all the other facets.
Rodney McDonell said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Getting people to regularly attend a WS team is going to be hard. IIRC, it was only in the late 90s when the Swans start to generate respectable average crowds. Theres no doubt the Swans are now a stable compeditive force in the sporting market in sydney. But it will probably take just as long to get the GWS up to a similar state. Perhaps more.
I think if you want a good yard stick, then, look at port adelaide. It’s a western suburb. The demographics would be similar to WS although with the proximity to beaches in the west perhaps the median house income is a touch above that of WS. If you take into account he similar demographics and the fact that it is a foriegn code to WS anyone should be able to see it’s going to be a hard sell.
I say, that in the first year, average crowds could be as low as 15,000. Probably lower and the Swans crowds may well sufer as well. The AFL will have to fight tooth and nail for eyars to get crowds above an average of 20,000 i believe.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:13am | Report comment
The AFL has all along spoken of 20-25 years time frames so I reckon they realise it won’t be an overnight sensation.
Port Adelaide yes and no – -
no because it was an existing SANFL club, so, getting it in rather than a true ‘alternate’ to the Crows – simply meant that you limited yourself effectively to Port Adelaide fans only. Not even providing a valid alternative for local Crows haters…..oh sure, they called it ‘Power’, but, it’s still ‘PORT’.
Personally I reckon if they could be playing in a 20K (ish) stadium and attracting b/w 12-18K on a regular basis for the first few years…..that’d be acceptable. It’d more be a case of at what point do you look at a home venue bigger than 20-25K, and how many ‘blockbusters’ could the club entertain at Homebush (vs Collingwood? vs Swans?).
AFL fixturing will tell – 11 home games inc hosting Swans, Coll, Carl, Ess as a starting point.
AGO74 said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Ben. Relax mate. Selling out a 10,000 seat stadium even in the heathen city that is Sydney and doesn’t do sport anything like Melbourne does not warrant mentioning that it is a “sell-out” or “sold out” 5 times (!!!) in your short article. We heard you the first time!
Do you think the fact that one of the teams playing is less than an hour’s drive away is not a significant factor in getting 10,000 people through the gates as well???
Playing devil’s advocate but I’m curious to know (not that we ever will) what the proportion of bought tickets versus given away was.
JamesP said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
This has been mentioned here before and in various newspaper articles. Approx 20% given away which apparantly they have to do to make tickets avaialble for junior football clubs at the like. Still a pretty good effort – would be interesting to see how many turned up if it was at a bigger ground…
Simmo said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
Apparently the rest of the tickets were $5 each. A good move for generating publicity.
Jay said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:45am | Report comment
the NAB Cup is a mickey mouse competition and neither team will be at full strength. To get 10,000 to the game is a great achievement. About 700 of these people are businessmen who might jump on the gws ship if they like what they see.
I was reading yesterday that GSW anticipate a major sponsorship of $1.5m per year. Most sydney NRL clubs get $500k for their major sponsors and the chooks and sharks are without one.
I live under the umbrella of the blacktown council and you only need to look at the local newspapers and community sporting festivals to see how much of an inroad the AFL have made in a short space of time. An new sporting festival was announced for kids and the flyers is predominantley of an AFL player catching a sherrin. You read closer and it says kids can play cricket, athletics, soccer and AFL (no metion of rugby or RL). Another phamplet was distributed to my mailbox yesterday about tourism in Blacktown (why?) but under the section of Sport – its all about GWS. Nothing about league. Blacktown Council and the local newspaper Blacktown Adviser no longer mention anything about league. Perviously there were always stories about the Eels, Panthers, local Blacktown kids making the grades in the local league teams. Now theres nothing.
As a RL fan, I wouldnt dismiss the 10,000 as nothing. The AFL are better organised and have better resources. While I dont buy into the notion of ‘code wars’, the impact that GWS will have on local RL teams will be telling.
Matt S said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Jay, the Roosters in fact have a 3 year $4 mil sponsorship deal in place. If what you say about the blactown ppapers/council etc is true then that’s a disgrace and a reason why ‘there’s room for everyone’ is a load of crock. if that’s blacktown’s attitude then I’m sure they’ll pay down the line. Didn’t the council get voted out, the same one that gave GWS all this funding for their joint ground with cricket? Also it seems the AFL is throwing money at the little blacktown rag. So much for free speech?
Many league people live within this constituency so I’m sure this local rag’s readership will drop. One thing in QLD/NSW we don’t like having something shoved down our throats.
True Tah said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Matt S
what is your issue with AFL spending a bit of money in Blacktown. There is an unusual amount of venom in your post.
The Blacktown council area has one of the highest populations in the country, and the AFL should be commended for this. For one, it will certainly put Blacktown on the map. RL is already served in the area by the Panthers and Eels, and Blacktown is halfway between these two areas.
And the AFL are putting money towards the ground as well. Why hasnt the NRL put any money towards fixing up that dump called Brookvale Oval?
Matt S said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Ok true tah, then why should there be zero coverage in the local paper all of a sudden? Parra, penrith haven’t suddenly disappeared. Blacktown youth will still make the grade in the NRL for 2010. I don’t like the idea of people/media being bought for cash under the guise of advertising, freebie corporate boxes, etc.
let’s remember, the only live AFL Blacktown residents will have on their doorstep is a bloody trial or two each year. Big whoopy! They are still going to be playing out of Olympic park.
Fly on the Wall said | February 20th 2010 @ 8:11pm | Report comment
because Manly are a private club and if they want something upgraded they can pay for it themselves. The same way private schools should not be receiving one cent of taxpayers money.
Brooky hardly gets used apart from NRL.
For all the AFL haters on this post – AFL will make much bigger inroads in league states than vice versa. That is what must be considered when you imagine the sport / media landscape in 20 years time.
AndyRoo said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:53am | Report comment
From the media blurb
Prior to the match Australian Idol winner Stan will entertain the crowd with some of the hits off his debut album ‘Introducing Stan Walker’. Fans will also have the chance to get up close to their ‘Idol’ when he visits the Team GWS tent to sign autographs.
The night is going to be full of entertainment for all the family, including a huge interactive kids zone with a live animal farm, fire brigade exhibition, face painters, temporary tattoo artists, and everyone’s favourite cartoon characters, Ben10, Homer and Bart Simpson.
Apparently their is some sort of football game on as well
Credit where credit is due that should create a good experience for any families attending their first game.
M1tch said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Dont AFL journo’s realise that the Swans have support in Sydney?
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
No, it’s all GWS M1tch
Richard said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Good well balanced article on a topic which seems to be stirring much angst in Sydney. The expansion of AFL in Sydney is terrific for the code but it is also terrific for sports fans, who will have even more codes and teams to enjoy. The establishment of the Storm in Melbourne has given we Melbourne sports fans an opportunity to develop an interest in NRL, previously seen as a “Sydney game”. So the Storm has enriched our choices. I still am an avid AFL fan, but in Melbourne that doesn’t mean I have to deny myself enjoyment of League.So lighten up you NSW fans, sit back and enjoy what promises to generate terrific local competition in Sydney, and enrich your sports choices for the future.
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Which sports fans are these? Have you ever been to Western Sydney? AFL is not wanted there and the locals certainly don’t want their taxes to pay for it.
Richard said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:40am | Report comment
If, as you say “AFL” is not wanted there, then it will fail. However, you don’t offer any evidence of your claim and it seems to me that someone there must want it. I doubt the AFL would be putting so much of their resources into it and the local council would be supporting it if there wasn’t some demand for the game. AFL is a great game and fans in Western Sydney deserve a chance to engage in it. It seems to me that when you say “AFL is not wanted there”, what you mean is that you don’t want it there. Not a very convincing argument. And yes, I have been to Western Sydney. So what?
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:54am | Report comment
They already have a chance to engage in it, there is a team called the Swans, they even play games in nearby Homebush.
Any local council would want upgraded facilities subsidised (albeit partially) by an external entity, this doesn’t translate to the people wanting a foreign entity thrust down on them (whilst having to pay for it). Plus don’t forget all the kickbacks these councillors will probably be getting out of the deal.
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
So Al, you’re prepared to go on the public record as saying Blacktown councillors are corrupt -
is that correct ?
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
No Of course he is not, nor is any local councillor corrupt when developers come thru with huge promises to put up major develoments that the majority of the people do not want.
If you want to stick your head in sand, go ahead.
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
My head is just fine, it’s Al’s I’m worried about !
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Then you would understand money talks, no manner what language you want to speak.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Punter -
not every development of recreational facilities is aimed at the majority of the people all the time,
and what the councillors up there would be excited about would be the ability to connect to a previously unconnected sector of the community,
existing programs either work or they don’t – - but this is about something new, additional, filling a void – - it needn’t be the majority of people.
btw – cricket authorities in NSW are a bit excited about having the AFL to work with hand in hand on facilities developments…..perhaps it’s only soccerheads who seem to over and over ignore the rights of cricketers.
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:46am | Report comment
I see what you mean & this is what FFA & the Aust government is trying to do with the WC bid, giving this great country of our the opportunity that the rest of the world has known for a long time. The experience of the greatest spoting event in the world with the world’s most popular sport.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Punter -
however – there’s never been a lack of that sport in this country, and, alas, this ‘wonderful sport’ is unable to fund any of it itself at this point in time.
The AFL is pumping a huge amount of money directly and indirectly into West Sydney – - that’s a given. The local govt is coming out in front no matter what the outcome.
The FIFA WC – - well, that’s a whole other story really. Ironic still that the chance of upgrading dedicated rectangular stadium in Melbourne appears to be not on the agenda which leaves us scratching our head – - as, how is that filling the void?? The FFA is seemingly ignoring the void.
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
MC, again concentrating on the stadium, wait until we get the WC before we worry about the stadiums.
You are totally missing the point, this is the world’s Greatest sporting event in your own backyard.
Australian Football said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
BigAl,
it was not that long ago the Blacktown council were dragged through the current affairs programming with the Mayor and his councillors spending something like $200k on freebies for travel and lunches didn’t you see the Channel 7 story in Melbourne?
~~~~~~
AF
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Punter -
potentially, once, for a coupla weeks,
I care more about the glue that binds us the rest of the time. The Olympics taught people to be careful about filling voids that don’t exist with ‘articifical rapids kayaking courses’ in the ‘burbs, as compared to filling voids that DO exist……which is why you now have a couple of nice big Aust Football/Cricket ovals out at Blacktown Olympic park……..stuff all to do with the Olympics!!!! Much more to do with the everyday compared to the once off.
Richard said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:27am | Report comment
So Al, what you are saying is that since you think one AFL side in Sydney is enough, others in western Sydney shouldn’t have the choice of a second one. That wouldn’t be acceptable to me and I doubt whether it is for others. You also appear to be contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say that the councils are paying for the AFL facilities, and then you say that the council only supports the GWS side because the AFL is subsidising it. Which is it? Whatever, if rugby league is loved so passionately in western Sydney, it will not be negatively impacted by a new AFL side. Rather the codes will complement each other and provide more choice. Why do you want to deny people their right to make their own choices?
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Why a second one when the first one struggles to make a profit or sell many memberships? Surely if they were interested they would have supported what has already been there for years!
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Time will tell Al, IMO they will do OK, dont be scared.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Al -
the same can be asked in Melbourne town about the 2nd A-League team. The first one has seemingly peaked, attendance/interest wise, such that even being reigning premiers and table topping (1 or 2 as per this year) etc etc, MVFC has been declining in interest……
well – - for a starter – one figures that the FFA WANTS 2 teams in the Melbourne/Victorian marketplace, and even if now doesn’t seem the right time – in all likelihood – if it can be sustained – then in 20 years time people will look back and say they did the right thing.
in the Swans/Sydney/AFL sense, the better gauge is that the Swans DO peak interest when travelling well, and as per season 2009 when it goes pear shaped – during a GFC – they have a down year, although still managed very good SCG attendances – - as you have to separate the ‘market’ into SCG matches/attendances vs Homebush matches/attendances.
So, the Swans and AFL in Sydney seems actually pretty stable. And if the AFL DON’T act now – then in 20-50 years time people will look back and wonder why nothing was done.
One little key to generating greater membership value is having local derbies – - if there’s at very least 2 stand out games each year on the local calendar that people want to ensure they have their ticket for and seat reserved etc etc……then that’s a pretty good way. How many Crows/Power supporters ensure they never miss a ‘show down’?
MV Dave said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
“MVFC has been declining in interest……” Funny how they have a 15% increase in memberships this year as an indication of declining interest? Next season at the new stadium…want to hazard a guess? Would expect home attendances and memberships to both increase! Declining interest?? Perhaps you speak more of hope…
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
MVDave
3 yrs ago MVFC had 22,000 members and North Melb in their sights,
now, sub 20,000,
attendance avg at Docklands down from 32,000 to 20,000 including a 15% drop from last years 24K average,
I stand by my ‘declining interest’ statement.
Mainly because – - even if you’d stayed level – - with the team as successful as they are – that would be a concern, but, for trends V3 onwards being downward (over all) – - that’s a concern.
And Samsung left and the best to replace them was ‘Intralot’!?!?!? sheesh!!!
Whereas for the Swans – during their peak period, they peaked their ‘interest measurables’ as one would expect.
Now – don’t get me wrong, MVFC are still the league ‘powerhouse’, but, hardly where we’d've expected them to be post V2 GF if people had stated they’d win another GF 2 yrs on and in V5 would be battling for top spot all year long.
That’s all I really want to say on this – - as this is an Australian Football tab and I don’t want to overly focus on Association Football.
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Melbourne Victory is as much about Australian football as Nth Melbourne or Collingwood, live with it, you don’t own the word football.
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
michael c – do you have an opinion on westpac becoming principal sponsor of melbourne heart or are you going to throw them into the same basket as intralot?
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Art -
well intralot are certainly a basketcase……….which is more brand damage to MVFC than anything,
Westpac………hmm, good question – - presently, they aren’t overly popular in the market place……..so, temporarily, a similar basket,….but not the same basket.
How’s that?
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Michael – How’s that?? As usual, good attempt but not good enough.
Can’t even bring yourself to say positive word about an A-League club getting sponsorship from a Big 4 bank. If for example, a company the size Westpac had announced itself as the WS sponsor we wouldn’t herar the end of it from you
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Art -
hang on – - big deal, they got sponsorship, how much for?? Hyundai sponsor the A-League AND CarltonFC, they’re going to spread themselves around,
however, if you were trying to bignote Hearts because they got some money from a Big 4 bank – - -no, that didn’t impress me…..unless there’s some huge amount that is by itself impressive.
However – right at the moment, Westpac is the least popular of the big 4 banks. There was a survey in the paper just the other day, and they were outright last.
That’s all I’m talking about – - nothing to do with knocking a soccer club because it’s a soccer club.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
Punter
“Melbourne Victory is as much about Australian football as Nth Melbourne or Collingwood, live with it, you don’t own the word football.”
re North Melbourne – 1869 vs 2005 says MVFC isn’t.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Hearts getting Westpac as a major sponsor is a huge coup.
As for Victory’s support, I don’t know the ins or outs, but something that Michael C said does make a bit of sense to me – all things being equal, you wouldn’t normally expect support to drop over a period where a club has effectively dominated the competition.
Might be something to do with Hearts, or it might be a normal thing in the life cycel of a new club/league – I dunno – but it does strike me as anomolous.
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Michael are you on the NAB payroll as well
JamesP said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Michel C is spot on. In Victoria certainly, Westpac is behind the other 3. Yes they will sponsor the heart – but they are also tipped to sponsor the Lexus Centre for collingwood
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/corporate-sponsors-on-top-of-the-game/story-e6frezc0-1225824834671
And don;t forget the Adelaide Crows new training facility is also just been baptised the…you guessed it…the Westpac Centre
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/westpac-wins-crows-nest-naming-rights/story-e6frecoc-1225825441487
So Westpac are obviously looking to increase their profile
I’d love to know which of the three clubs above is getting the most money…
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
JamesP – I could not carel ess who else and how much Westpac sponsors other teams. They could sponsor the australian over 65′s – jelly wrestling championship for all I care.
What I am more interested in is A-League clubs being able to secure sponsorship from the big end of town. I hope that clears things up for you.
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:55am | Report comment
They already have a chance to engage in it, there is a team called the Swans, they even play games in nearby Homebush, yet Western Sydney is hardly a hotbed of Swans support.
Any local council would want upgraded facilities subsidised (albeit partially) by an external entity, this doesn’t translate to the people wanting a foreign entity thrust down on them (whilst having to pay for it). Plus don’t forget all the kickbacks these councillors will probably be getting out of the deal.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:06am | Report comment
is it fair to assume, with a few double comments – that others are getting really slow theRoar service peresently??
(melt down dead ahead…..)
(btw – Rod, you can’t force me to have to endure the Today show…….really you can’t……..please….)
Zac Zavos said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Hi Michael C – yes, we have some performance issues right now which we’re working on. Thanks for the heads up and sticking with it.
Zac
The Roar
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:39am | Report comment
MC, I want you to admit you were telling porky pies, that’s all
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Rod – actually, how did it all start – - re the Today show??
what porkies have I supposedly told?
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
MC, you said in the abc thread that the today show treats afl like garbage because you seem to think the show doesn’t give them as much coverage as rugby league.
Well for years now on a friday during the season, they have an AFL and NRL ex player/player go in and talk about the up coming games.
They always give out the scores and put up highlights.
They even have the presenters wear their fav footy jumper in GF week.
Yesterday when you stated this, the today show was from Geelong and all they done when they crossed to the live audience was talk about the GF winning Geelong.
So I like you to take back what you said and tell the truth, ch9 and the today show are very respectful to the AFL footy code
Beast-A-Tron said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
“MC, you said in the abc thread that the today show treats afl like garbage…”
It is not a lie, it is an opinion. Whether you agree or not is immaterial, opinions aren’t ‘facts’ and they can’t be proven wrong.
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Rod -
tokenism,
that’s all it is, tokenism.
btw – so, it’s taken them from Sep to Feb to get to Geelong and talk about the GF……if it’d been in Sydney – - they woulda been in Parramatta, or Wollongong or Newcastle the very next morning………
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
MC, what a cop out, I knew it before I posted though.