Was anything except defeat expected in England?

Bill Peters Roar Rookie

By Bill Peters, Bill Peters is a Roar Rookie

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    Tell me honestly. When you first looked at this Australian squad as selected for the five ODI match series against England in the Old Dart, did you really expect any other result apart from utter annihilation?

    Did the result on Tuesday at Trent Bridge really come as that much of a surprise, or is it just because we feel utterly humiliated ourselves as Australian cricket fans to have this done to our cricket team, especially (and without prejudice) by the Poms?

    Australia’s record defeat by 242 runs in the third ODI handed the series to England with two games still to be played, and with much gloating, praising and bollocking from the home fans, commentators and media personalities it is all a bit difficult to digest without that taste of bile in the back of the throat.

    Australia has now won one and lost seven of their past eight ODIs against England this year, home and away.

    Whether anyone wants to see it or not, there could not have been any other result. When England was winning the ODI series in Australia in January by 4-1 we had Steve Smith, Dave Warner, Mitch Marsh, Pat Cummins, Mitch Starc and Josh Hazlewood in the team and still couldn’t get near them.

    The chances of being able to beat them on their home turf with two Richardsons, Billy Stanlake, Andrew Tye, Ashton Agar and D’Arcy Short was surely a bit much to hope for.

    Jhye Richardson

    Jhye Richardson of Australia (AAP Image/Darren England)

    Australia’s bowling attack is inexperienced at this level. England have a renewed game plan in ODI cricket and are executing it well.

    For it to continue for so long you have to have opposition teams that don’t learn from past losses, and also a fair slice of the luck going your way. England has had both of these things in their favour in recent times.

    For bowlers to continue to ply away with slower short balls or half volleys in the slot or half-track cutters when they are being constantly flayed to and over the boundary smacks of an inability to learn the lesson.

    The days of learning the skill (and it is a skill) of bowling a pin point yorker either at or just wide of the stumps seems to have been forgotten.

    Conversely, to consistently get away with ramp shots and leg flicks and reverse sweeps, for balls to fly in the air and fall safely between converging fielders, and for edged slogs to race tantalising wide of fieldsmen or end up 180 degrees in the opposite direction of where a shot has been aimed (followed by the infuriating glove punch and a ‘well done’ from your batting partner) is often called great cricket when it keeps coming off.

    When the wheel inevitably turns and the luck starts running in the other direction, it suddenly gets called careless and thoughtless. Such is modern day short form cricket.

    Make no mistake, England has proven to be the better team and you can’t take that away from them.

    They are on top and confident and riding the crest of the wave. Australia needs to find a way to compete better and keep themselves in these last two games.

    The batsmen being able to produce a decent score would be a good start. The batting order doesn’t seem to be working but how can you tell when no one apart from Shaun Marsh has made a big score?

    Are we also seeing why Adam Gilchrist was never a full-time captain of Australia, because the job is just so difficult to do properly when you are also trying to concentrate on keeping?

    Is it a sign that Tim Paine may be an excellent choice as vice-captain in the future but a different captain is required?

    Tim Paine of Australia bats

    Tim Paine of Australia. (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

    In three games, Adil Rashid and Mooen Ali have taken a phenomenal 17 wickets between them.

    Ashton Agar has taken one. Is he being chosen just to compensate for Australia’s top order lack of runs? Surely Australia needs to find out if Nathan Lyon is the wicket-taker they need in these final two games. He can’t do any less.

    Not much has gone right for Australian cricket in the past three months. But it is also very early on in this transitional phase to be making huge judgement calls as to the state of the Australian game.

    Let’s see how these players and the team react to yesterday’s result. Win or lose in these final two games, it will be character defining and perhaps career defining whichever way they go.

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    The Crowd Says (8)

    • June 21st 2018 @ 3:18am
      KenoathCarnt said | June 21st 2018 @ 3:18am | ! Report

      Obviously this was going to be a bad tour but this has cemented the side in the sea. Is Khawaja able to play for the final 2 games?

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      WC Squad

      Gotch (wk) (good player of spin)
      Coulter Nile

      • June 21st 2018 @ 5:50am
        Justsaying said | June 21st 2018 @ 5:50am | ! Report

        Seriously get Khawaja in there, Queensland’s best one day batsman and thunders weapon needs to be bought in to open

    • June 21st 2018 @ 8:17am
      graham said | June 21st 2018 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      Need players that can hit 140 off a hundred

      We have players that can work their way to a run a ball hundred and others that can get 50 in 30 on a good day but we don’t have your players that can dominate a game

    • June 21st 2018 @ 8:45am
      jimbo said | June 21st 2018 @ 8:45am | ! Report

      did i expect another result besides a 5 nil defeat after seeing the squad on paper the first time??

      i thought the ICC might have called the entire series off after game 3 to save the cricket world further embarrassment…

    • June 21st 2018 @ 9:49am
      Paul said | June 21st 2018 @ 9:49am | ! Report

      No Bill, I didn’t expect “utter annihilation” from this Australian team. I dis not expect them to win a game and let’s face it, England would struggle to beat us if you took 5 or 6 of their best players out their side.

      I’ve said since before this series started the team is an experiment and it depends what results we get from this tour whether it’s been a success or not. There are some early signs to note;

      Agar needs to either become more penetrating as an ODI bowler or save more runs, otherwise he’s a liability in our attack.
      We don’t have a recognisable plan with our batting. I haven’t heard Langer or anyone else tell the public exactly what the batsmen have to do to make a defendable score.
      We don’t have enough guys capable of making defendable scores. We have three guys in the top 30 for ODI batting Finch (14), Head (23) and Stoinis (29). Warner and Smith will change this up, but at present, we don’t have the batting to compete with England.
      Paine as an ODI leader makes a good Test captain. The selectors need to rethink his position in the team. He unbalances the side with his batting skills and is under way too much pressure to keep and captain the side at the same time.
      Langer needs to move quickly as coach to prove his worth as an ODI coach at this level.

      We will lose this series 5 nil but at least we should get a clear picture about the sides failings. We then have 12 months to fix them.

      • June 21st 2018 @ 5:24pm
        English twizz said | June 21st 2018 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

        Have been missing stokes and woakes for the series and Morgan was missing for the second game aswell

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          June 22nd 2018 @ 1:22pm
          Matt H said | June 22nd 2018 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Stokes = Marsh
          Woakes = Cummins

          So then if you leave Morgan out for the entire series = Smith

          Then take out:
          Bairstow = Warner
          Willey = Starc (it pained me to write that)
          Wood = Hazlewood
          Plunkett/Overton = Nathan Coulter Nile

          Now you would be getting close to what we are missing. You would probably still win I think, but it would be a lot closer.

    • June 21st 2018 @ 4:59pm
      peter chrisp said | June 21st 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

      Well it is one of the most inexperienced sides we have seen altogether, on an individual basis how many have played 50 over games, and i do agree even many experts & commentators were suggesting it will be a whitewash and with 2 more games to go can we see any improvement, whether we like it or not was this just an experiment to see if we could pick out future players?

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