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“He’s not bigoted”
Please tell me you are kidding. That is an astonishing comment. But then, considering your previous comment, it doesn’t really surprise me that not only would you support Jones but you would actually deny that he’s a bigot.
SPIRO: John O'Neill sort of does it his way
Your argument can apply to every other other cheat. If everybody cheated, then Landid didn’t have an unfair advantage over anyone, so therefore he was still the best the year he won. As such it was ridiculous that Landis had his title taken away, and he should therefore have it back. In fact no cheat should be punished. Afterall what makes Armstrong so special?
Bottom line is that cheats shouldn’t be awarded, and Armstrong should be treated the same as any other cheat.
We were right to believe in Lance, weren't we?
Love that the Windies won (it’s great to see them return to a bit of their former glory). Shame it was only Twenty20.
Perfect West Indies stifle Aussie climb
Then why did you say inaccuracy is…? It doesn’t make sense. Anyway I’m not sure if I want to continue this slow discussion (which is beginning to annoy me). Respond if you want to, of course, but I think I’m done.
AFL Grand Final 2012: Those Swans are ugly ducklings, but special
“Because Sydney were marginally better on the day and the liklihood that they would respond with multiple goal streaks -and did with 8 and 4( the last 4 ), was greater than Hawthorn’s.”
Because what?
“Besides, no one ever thinks “oh he shouldn’t have got that one” when players kick difficult or freakish goals,”
What are you saying?
I don’t know what you are suggesting, that teams should aim for behinds, not goals?
AFL Grand Final 2012: Those Swans are ugly ducklings, but special
If anything, the GF proves that inaccuacy isn’t a furphy.
AFL Grand Final 2012: Those Swans are ugly ducklings, but special
What not against Sydney?
AFL Grand Final 2012: Those Swans are ugly ducklings, but special
A goal is worth six times that of a behind, and in a game in which Hawthorn had more scoring shots than Sydney, the reality is that Hawthorn’s inaccuracy killed them.
The aim of the game is to kick goals (not behinds), and several GFs in recent years have been decided on the basis of goalkicking inaccuracy.
“If you goal instead of behind the ball goes back to the centre, increasing the chances of the opposition responding in kind.”
It works both ways. Goaling also increases your chances of kicking more goals.
AFL Grand Final 2012: Those Swans are ugly ducklings, but special
“Frankly, as far as I am concerned, it makes little men of his detractors. I look at every one of them and wonder ‘what have you done to make a difference, to matter?’ (Including you Phil). And the answer is nothing (that I can see). As far as I am concerned the only ones who should put a cork in it and move on are the detractors.”
Not only is that hypocritical (the same question can be posed to his defenders, and if you can defend him, others can criticize him) but it’s also irrelevant. Whatever Armstrong has done regarding his charity work has absolutely nothing to do with his being charged with doping. Even if he actually cured cancer, it wouldn’t matter. If he doped (and it seems certain that he did) then he’s a cheat, and he deserves to be treated just like any other cheat. No cheat should be let off the hook because they happen to be involved in charity work.
“History will remember Lance, will it remember any of you? I think you know the answer.”
It’s unlikely to remember him fondly. Not that it matters. The only thing that matters is whether he cheated, any possibility that he didn’t looks to have vanished.
ANDERSON: Why the Lance-era wasn't good for cycling
It probably wouldn’t, however it would allow players to be recognised, who wouldn’t pick up votes under the 3-2-1 system. Midfielders would probably still win, but non-midfielders might get more credit.
Personally I don’t have a problem with midfielders being preferenced, especially since most awards preference midfielders these days (as they should IMO).
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
Reynoldsinski, I’m not opposed to the Brownlow being rejigged. As long as the umpires continue to award the votes, the fairest criteria remains in place, and the voting system continues being on a round by round process, I’m willing for there to be changes.
In an above post, I mentioned the 5-4-3-2-1 system. We could also bring back the double system. There may be a few things we can do.
Ultimately, I would prefer to leave it the way it is. While few non-midfielders tend to win, I don’t if it would be all that different if the voting system was dramatically changed. The Brownlow is certainly not unique when it comes to preferencing midfielders.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
Brian, you may consider the Brownlow to be a joke, however I imagine you would be alone in that. I, for one, consider the Brownlow to be the greatest individual award in all of sport.
Also, many of those players you mentioned may be better than Watson, but how many had better seasons? Which is the point of awards. You seem to think that simply because a player is great (speaking of which, were you suggesting before that Ablett is better than Matthews & Carrey?), they should win a Brownlow. But like all awards, they need to be among the best players of an individual season.
One last comment: Asking the GF coaches which player they would like is meaningless, as it depends on the respective teams. Hawthorn got rid of Ablett Sr, and I doubt very much they would have any regrets.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
People are often criticizing Woewodin, but it shouldn’t be forgotten that he also won a club best & fairest in a Grand Final side. I don’t think he entirely deserved the Brownlow, however I do think he had an amazing year.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
BTW, one possible way of altering the midfielder focus would to change the voting system to 5-4-3-2-1. It would never happen, however that’s one possibility.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
It’s the same with almost all awards though as midfielders tend to dominate awards these days. The last non-midfielder to win the Leigh Matthews Trophy, for example, was Riewoldt in 2004. Since then, Cousins, Ablett (four times), Judd (twice) and Swan won.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
For every Carey, Matthews, and Ablett Sr who doesn’t win the Brownlow, there’s a Skilton, Reynolds & Bunton who does. So it’s not true that the best players don’t win the Brownlow.
Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
Except not everyone else was doping. Plus, that same argument can be used to get other dopers off the hook, such as Landis.
ANDERSON: Why the Lance-era wasn't good for cycling
Never count Sydney out. If any team can overcome that record, it’s them.
Good old Collingwood too much for West Coast
You’re also incredibly hypocritical. Your calling me a troll is truly ridiculous, but whatever, I don’t care what you think of me (I don’t think much of you at all). Don’t be surprised if I ignore you in future.
Why Malthouse is the right pick
He is absolutely a bigot! If you want to know why, look up some of the statements he’s made concerning Muslim Lebanese-Australians.
Then there are his lovely comments about women.
SPIRO: John O'Neill sort of does it his way