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I am sure there are strict laws around ending the competition but it is only the income 6Ns received not what the Unions make off being in the 6 Nations. If Ireland get double their shirt sponsor because of their improved form the IRFU do not need to give any of it to CVC. If Scotland double the price of tickets because they have massive demand CVC see none of that. CVC is only entitled to the income from 6N inc so in order to grow their share and grow income they must make 6Ns inc more money and be more valuable. It is why they got ITV & BBC to hand over $250m to the 6N a year just for the UK rights. If 6Ns, URC, Prem or EPCR start failing as competitions then CVC loses and the unions have less money which means their value becomes less. SL deal is about money pure and simple, any income for NZR is income for SL, if they double ticket income SL gets a cut. This is why SL will be pushing NZR to ditch the loss makers and chase the money makers. NZR will make more money by flying to SA with 50 players during the 6Ns and playing the URC teams and SA in those 6 Weeks, playing SR is costing them money. Ultimately NZR is more likely to look like a cricket team with 50 or so fully contracted people on 2-4 year deals with the rest of the players free to go wherever they want. With the Nations League not being controlled by SL it only leaves the Lions year in a WC cycle for SL to organize the big test but WR want to see that year be more T1 v T2 games. Every $ NZR makes they give a percent to SL, not so with the 6N Unions.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Not really, I’m trying to work out how an organisation that earns so much in broadcast deals, has big attendances and sponsorships yet can only pay about $12m in wages. Easy to say the NRL and it’s teams are earning loads but is it really because things don’t add up. Each NRL team is getting $21m from the NRL plus surely atleast another $5-10m from other sources. While not as much as the top French teams I can’t understand where all the money is going. Its not going on wages and it doesn’t look like the teams are racking up massive profits so where is it going. Where is each NRL team spending their $20m after wages. AFL only give about $11m to clubs unless you are Gold Coast or Greater Sydney then you get $25m. So AFL clubs get half the funding from AFL that NRL teams get from NRL yet AFL has a higher wage cap. All this shows to me is the Union teams in and outside of Oz are doing amazing work to own stadiums and pay wages and run grassroots compared to NRL and AFL. One there is something in the figures you are leaving out.

10 reasons league and union should merge to become One Rugby - and give AFL nightmares

What about Hamilton.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Surely the fact he ran Rapid Rugby with his own money shows he was ready to put alot in.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

The fact that the Rebels have racked up $22m in debt (I think that’s the latest figure) and knew nothing about it until about the same time we did tells us all we need to know about RA. You would think after 2017 the Rebels would have to send accounts quarterly or atleast yearly to RA to sign off on.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

I think that is part of the problem. RA should have built all their SR teams the same way but they couldn’t afford extra teams so had to make do. I still cant get over that RA and SARU both agreed to cut teams. While everyone makes fun of England for 3 teams going bust SR just got rid of teams and told them to get lost.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

I doubt RA was giving each SR team $5m each that would have been $25m Yes RA made a $4.8m invest in the Force but that was a once off not every year. from RA for the 2016 accounts Super Rugby expenditure increased by $13.8m, which includes the $4.8m to the Western Force alliance agreement (which was not forecasted in the original 2016 budgets). who got the other $9m that went to SR over and above the normal funding. Broadcast deal for 2016-2020 was a 148% of the previous deal so could have afforded to fund all 5 teams as they have been, what they could afford to do was cover the debts of the Force and Rebels, Twiggy offered to cover the Force Debts for 8 years but instead RA chose to fund the other lost maker.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

Agree. Saying that RA couldn’t afford to given money to the Force which would then be given back to them for ringfencing but could afford to keep the Rebels is laughable.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

Biggest mistake Super Rugby made was going from 18 teams down to 14 as was the plan. Cheetahs and Kings move North (remember SARU had issues with Sharks when it was announces the cut teams were going North) as it meant SARU could move North anytime they wanted as they had teams there and their money was appreciated. Sunwolves turned the J1 from an end of season wage top up to being in direct competition to Super Rugby and taking players from SR. Final the Force, they became independent from RA and free to do what they wanted. When SR fell apart the Force is the reason there are 5 Oz teams and why if they go to 3 teams to save RA it will not be them that gets the boot as RA can’t afford to run three teams. Keeping the Rebels was a bad call in 2017 as was not going back to SR in 2017 and saying we are sticking at 5 teams but we are removing the cap on OS players in our SR teams. In reality if Twiggy hadn’t stepped in the Rebels would still be going bust and it would be three teams with discussions on Brumbies being sustainable.

'He screwed our state': The act that still angers Twiggy Forrest and why he's not ready to jump back in

SVNs also sell it as an event that happens to have rugby. If Super Round was like that it might get more. When the Prem does it they often have the big game and a concert all put on by PRL.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Technically aren’t MP homeless and traveling around to places outside of Auckland.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Its why home pre-season games if done right can be good financially.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Wait till it Dubai Super Round with 50% discounts on flights with their airline. WXV and WC final qualifiers were held in the middle east. Attendances were poor but the money to WR made it all ok. May even see them try USA.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

They are getting 11 teams with all their support people hiring out all the facilities for the week. They have all the media coverage on them for a week. Not all money is paid at the gate and any money spent by anyone is generating money for VIc Gov. As others have said if they get the WC final who cares, if they get one of the big traveling teams based in Melbourne because that is where RA puts their games they don’t care about SRP and it probably wasn’t much to win the better but the side deal with RA will be what’s worth it.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Why aren’t teams like the Reds given the first two games away each year, Lets the storms be gone and grow the excitement for the first home game in round 3.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

England and France combined are about the same as NSW. 14k for a rugby game is the norm. The problem is people believed that if teams play less they get more fans but its better to get 14k for 10 home games then 20k for 5.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

And Bulls have nearly 40k sold for their Stormer game and they are hoping to get 50k. Super Rugby doesn’t sell, once the SA teams stopped playing in it fans are coming back even though same teams. Yes you can say they win more but were Sharks every bottom and getting 30k to games.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Super Round is about Money not fans, Melbourne delivered money so its a winner.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Two Unions short on money, its all about the money. If it was about fans then SRP would make fane numbers public at games

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Perth maybe with Twiggy but that would be it.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

if you hire a company and delegate the decision to them it is you decision still and the choice made will be within the rules you set the company. NZR hardly said to the company we want a Super Round we dont care how you choose it or what we get from it.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

you can be sure it wouldn’t happen in Europe. Teams prize their home games and getting home games in EPCR competitions is highly prized. Only Wales do a double header and that is because their 4 teams are within 100km f the stadium. If Ireland suggested it the teams would tell them where to go.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

JD the big difference is if those competitions go bust the Unions walk away and set up a new one. NZR had to get another $100m off SL because they couldn’t sell it themselves. Income is not what was expected so they are having to look at how they are going to fund everything. If there is a World Club championship SL are getting a portion of the NZR money as they did for the WC. CVC saw no money from the WC because the 6Ns or leagues don’t compete in it.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

As I have said many time NZR only cares about money. IF one of the European leagues offer NZR $20m a year to base them in Europe it would be done. NZR sanctioned sending a team in preseason to play against teams in the middle of their season in poor weather just because it paid them more. They don’t care about injuries of the travel miles on the players it all about the money and the ABs.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

Super Rugby round is about covering the costs of sending all the teams to one place, it must have enough facilities to put up all these teams etc. Fiji would be great but good luck finding places to put all 11 traveling teams and providing them with facilities. And if you do the 100k over 3 days that would show up would be lucky to cover the travel cost there.

Super Round is a celebration of rugby - that's why it should have never been held in Melbourne

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