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Why wouldn’t he, when for the comp to go ahead in the format it did, it needed RA to firstly join, and then also approve the addition of the two new teams.
As a majority partner, that’s pretty common.
Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua have taken a major step closer towards being accepted into the new Super Rugby competition being devised by New Zealand Rugby and Rugby Australia after they were granted conditional licences by NZR.
The NZR Board’s decision to approve licences today (Wednesday) is intended to ultimately see the two Pacific Islands teams join New Zealand’s existing five Super Rugby Aotearoa clubs and Australia’s five Super Rugby AU teams in a new tournament being planned for 2022. – SportBuisness 14 April 2021
In a significant step forward for Pacific Island rugby, Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua have been granted conditional licences to join a planned new professional competition next year, New Zealand Rugby announced today.
The NZR board’s decision to approve licences is a major step toward the two Pasifika teams joining NZR’s existing five Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa clubs and Rugby Australia’s (RA) five Super Rugby AU teams in a new tournament being planned for 2022 and is conditional on their final business plans and RA’s support. – NZ Herald 14 April 2021
NZ Rugby will hold seven of the 12 licences in the new competition, but New Zealand Rugby general manager professional rugby and high performance Chris Lendrum was at pains on Monday to describe the competition as a genuine partnership with Australia, and even held out the possibility of a player draft between the two countries at a later date. – Stuff 30 August 2021
The question, if RA does decide to cut NZ Rugby adrift, is what sort of competition it could form. Although the Fijian Drua were in the Australian conference this season, NZ Rugby holds the licence for the Drua so it seems unlikely RA could hold on to that team. – Stuff 20 June 2022
As noted above it was initially a conditional licence, and then unconditional once they satisfied the requirements and RA signed off. The other NZ teams have been granted licences in perpetuity during 2021.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Yeah, but NZ were the ones that went through the process of accepting their applications to join SRP, and gave them the licenses to join.
RA then took ages to sign off on the agreement to include them.
I believe it was done on the basis that NZ were the ones that effectively owned the licenses and were therefore responsible for distributing a share of NZ TV income.
To be honest i think this is where the whole stink about sharing TV money going forward has come about. It have no evidence to back this up, but i think RA found out how much NZ distributed to the Drua and MP versus what they agreed to pool & share.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan said he was still prepared to sever ties with New Zealand Rugby if an equitable deal could not be reached.
That’s not to say that RA doesn’t want to make a deal with NZR though, with a 10-year deal being discussed.
McLennan has met with his NZR counterparts three times in as many weeks and were hosting its allies at their suite at Marvel Stadium on Thursday night for the Bledisloe Cup opener.
No deal has been agreed upon yet, but it is understood both governing bodies are keen to work out their future within the next month.
A 10-year deal is on the table and while it may not be a 50-50 financial split to begin with, should both parties agree it will head that way in due time as RA gets their ducks in a row.
Notice how they use the word future and are talking about a 10 year deal.
How is any part of that to do with a current deal expiring at the end of next year?????
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
This is what you missed mate:
https://www.fijivillage.com/sports/NZ-Rugby-awards-conditional-license-to-Fijian-Drua-to-feature-in-Super-Rugby-x8f5r4/
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Here is the news from when it was announced:
https://www.fijivillage.com/sports/NZ-Rugby-awards-conditional-license-to-Fijian-Drua-to-feature-in-Super-Rugby-x8f5r4/
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
It’s not about the whole comp.
Each SR team is responsible for certain expenses after being given their share of $’s from their national bodies. Some make a profit, some run at a loss.
This is purely about broadcast $’s for SRP.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Thicker than a piece of 4 x 2.
Easy Jacko. He sat down with 2 directors from NZR and a couple of SR CEO’s from the NZ SR teams, and came to an agreement for broadcast share as part of SRP from 2024 onwards.
The NZ reps went back to the rest of the board, they didn’t like the deal, so they pulled it.
He’s annoyed because he thought there was an agreement and now there isn’t.
There is no renegotiating the current deal. It’s in place for 2023.
Or are you trying to claim RA are threatening to walk away from SRP next year?
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
NZR don’t want to add more teams, they don’t want to play each other, and they took a hair cut on their broadcast $’s for SR Aotearoa.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
They want NZ to pool the money NZ and RA both get for the SR component of their TV deals and split it among the teams. Similar to the old SANZAAR agreement.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
How can they pull out of an agreement that ceases to exist i.e. expires at the end of 2023?
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
The dollar numbers thrown around are TOTALS for ALL rugby.
As you have noted the Rugby Championship money is split amongst the partners under an existing 5 year agreement. NPC, Schoolboys, Shute Shield, Tests outside of the RC are all part of the overall $’s but not shared.
And also don’t fall for the bullsh*t about RA wanting to re-negotiate an existing deal or wanting NZ’s All Black money etc. that some are continuously peddling. The discussions are about a new deal for SRP from 2024 onwards, after the existing agreement expires.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Different markets. It’s obviously not what NZ wants.
SRAU rated better, players liked it, fans turned out and Stan are willing to pay more for it. That’s how.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Not to mention COVID throwing a spanner into the works and making your revenue dry up
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Hahaha don’t hold your breath waiting Phil.
Jacko’s default position when challenged with logic & facts is radio silence, and hope everyone moves on to the next article & forgets
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
They didn’t, and there is agreement in place to the end of 2023 in line with the SRP participation agreement
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
SRP games are part of the SRP agreement for both countries to broadcast.
All other comps are separate deals i.e. NPC, Japanese club comp etc.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
It could possibly be, but the actual numbers have not been stated.
Will NZ’s deal signed pre-COVID, based on Super Rugby including South Africa and the Jaguares still be worth “three to four times the size of Australia’s” when up for re-negotiation if there is no SRP?
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Yes, considering Super Round was owned by NZR and outsourced to a NZ owned events company to run!
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Correct, and the licenses are only in line with the SRP agreement which expires end of 2023 and what is being negotiated between RA and NZR at the moment
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
NZR holds the SRP licenses for both the Drua and MP.
However, they both expire at the end of 2023, and both teams can go wherever they line from 2024 onwards, especially if there is no SRP.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Replacing 5 Oz teams with 2 NZ ones and no broadcast/advertising reach outside of NZ would not be an equal replacement in the broadcasters eyes.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
The licenses expire in line with the existing SRP agreement at the end of 2023.
NZR have also previously indicated that SR Aotearoa was not sustainable & adding 2 extra NZ teams would dilute the existing talent in each SR team, again something they indicated they did not wish to do.
I think their preference is for SRP and this is something that is more attractive to Sky as well.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
WRONG Jacko and you’ve been told this numerous times.
It’s not about any existing deal. This is for SRP from 2024 onwards.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
True, but that was an emergency deal cobbled together during COVID for a Trans Tasman/SRP comp when no one knew if borders would re-open etc.
That agreement expires at the end of 2023 and RA are negotiating over what a deal looks like for 2024 onwards, either a 3 or 5 year term, and how much of the money each county will receive for broadcasting that comp they will put in to share.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems
Yes, they certainly would.
The enforced the ‘force majeure’ clause when there was only SR Aotearoa instead of the Super Rugby format they signed up for.
'Chop the Rebels'? The simplistic reaction that would do nothing to help solve Australian rugby's problems