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Ex-Aussie living in the Middle East. Contributed to WhatCulture and SportsKeeda. Avid Carlton fan and Pro-Wrestler in training.
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I read on the FAQ section that they want articles between 500-700 words. I originally had a lot more written for each team, but it was already 1,500 words. This is cut down do roughly 650 -700 words.
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?
That’s not what this article is actually about.
This article is about what they need to improve on for next year. The title was changed by an editor of the site.
If you read the introduction it answers the title straight away. No side has won the Flag from outside the top 4 in the current system and it isn’t going to change this year.
What these clubs will do doing is keeping one eye on next year and seeing how they can improve
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?
Brisbane, West Coast and Adelaide are also capable of reaching the inal series in Carlton’s place. There are two reasons that I haven’t written about them, firstly Carlton is in the drivers seat for the final, even if they have played terribly because North probably won’t beat Collingwood and even if they do, Carlton playing well (which it is still capable of) has a much better chance of beating Port which makes the result of the North v Pies game irrelevant.
I also couldn’t write about all of them because the roar limits articles to 500-700 words, otherwise I would have written something up about every club.
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?
Also, it was hard to add this in as the word limit is very tight for articles, but Richmond also need a secondary big body defender to help out Alex Rance, who has developed very nicely for the Tigers. Initially the job seems to have been given to Chaplain, but he has been shown to be very average and cannot seem to hold his own against even second string key forwards. This makes Richmond vulnerable to sides that have more than one big key forward, such as the Hawks, with Buddy and Roughy and Geelong, with Hawkins and J-Pod.
Chaplain got exposed badly when the Tigers played Carlton, he was beaten in several contests by Casboult and Henderson throughout the match and was a large part of costing Richmond the game as it’s other defenders in Ellis, Vlastuin, Houli and Rance played well
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?
Toovey may not be as big a player as Thomas and Beams but he does bring something to the Collingwood back line. His injury has certainly hurt the Pies and is clearly an important player in their structure.
Fasolo is another long term injury for the Pies which they certainly wouldn’t have wanted. Thomas and Beams have been the biggest blows for the Pies, in terms of injuries.
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?
Usually I would agree with you, and while it does take a miracle or two the gulf between the top 4 sides and the rest of the comp is pretty big.
Bombers out means Pies, Tigers should lose
It’s not like they wouldn’t be training otherwise.
It’s sport at an elite professional level. These guys train on a daily basis until seasons end. Seeing as the season isn’t over, they still have to train for it.
Richmond are inexperienced finals campaigns, that could weigh heavily.
Bombers out means Pies, Tigers should lose
All the posturing in the bottom four of the finals counts for little as none of them will win the flag as the divide between the top 4 and the rest of the teams is insurmountable.
On top of this, since the institution of the current final 8 system no team that has finished outside the top 4 has gone on to win the flag and furthermore the last team to win a flag from outside the top four was Adelaide in 1998 from 5th
Bombers out means Pies, Tigers should lose
I would have thought with all things considered form can also mean absolutely nothing.
When Richmond played Carlton, Carlton had just lost to Western and were coming off some horrible form. At the same time Richmond were in great form and had looked to consolidate it’s win over the Blues earlier in the season. In the end Carlton won, Richmond loss, defying form.
The second game is Carlton versus Essendon, as the bombers had lost their last by around 55 points and Carlton had just come off a great win over Richmond. Yet, Carlton lost and Essendon won.
By the way, that Richmond game was less than 2 weeks ago. Since that time Richmond has smashed GWS, hardly an indicator of great form.
I won’t deny that Collingwood have been in good form, which is another reason why I’d rather Carlton face the untested Richmond in the final as opposed to Collingwood.
I also agree that North are the more deserving finalists, however, being more deserving alone doesn’t get you a spot and North need to beat Collingwood who you have already identified as being in form.
Bombers out means Pies, Tigers should lose
As a Carlton fan I would relish taking on Collingwood or Richmond in the finals, as all the pressure is off of Carlton.
The only way for it to reflect badly on the club would be if they got hammered, if they lost competitively it would be more than many expected from a team that limped into the finals, but if they won it would be a great upset and shock.
I also think that Carlton putting together 4 good quarters of football is capable of beating either of the two sides as has already been proven against Richmond and the game against Collingwood earlier in the season showed that Carlton at it’s best was able to not only go with the Pies but beat them. I’d prefer Richmond to Collingwood, as the article rightly points out Carlton has had the wood over Richmond in recent seasons (aside from the first game of this season), as well as it being Richmond’s first final series in a long time which will mean many of their players are untested in finals games, as opposed to Carlton who missed the finals last year after having played in the three final series before.
Bombers out means Pies, Tigers should lose
1. This article was obviously written before his announcement. Obviously they will need to replace Tuck, he was incredibly serviceable for the Tigers over his career. Even as a Carlton fan, I respect Tuck’s bravery when attacking the ball.
2. List changes need to be made at Carlton, but reactionary list changes aren’t. Getting rid of players like Yarran, who have great potential is excessive and reactionary. He has had a few bad games this season, he isn’t a bad player.
3. I agree with Port, they’ve discovered some fantastic young players this year in Wines, Neade and Wingard. I’m very interested to see what happens with Kane Mitchell at the end of the year. He seems to only be a fringe player at Port, mainly being used as a sub. I’m sure they’ll persevere with him, but it’s still interesting.
Can a team from outside the top four win the flag?