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That’s great news for his development.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

I’d like to think that they’ve finally signed experienced experts who will do that long term planning. It’s only taken them 20+ years!

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

The ones who don’t play many games aren’t at All Black level anyway. Already plenty of kiwis at Aussie teams.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

Couldn’t it be more effective to have a successful team that the whole state can feel represents them? You’d get good crowds and wouldn’t have to dilute the quality or duplicate costs. The states have a hundred years of history, clubs that are natural rivals banding together can be a recipe for infighting and shaky loyalties.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

Kiss has something brewing and the appetite is there among rugby fans in Queensland now that the hope is there. Now the Tahs need a coach of a similar stature to inspire the NSW rugby public. It can happen.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

If so it would have to be Friend 😂

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

A six team comp including the Drua would take from mid February to mid to late May so no need to dilute quality and there’s still time for cross border.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

The Aussie teams are definitely improving. The Reds and Brumbies know what went wrong in the playoffs and can put it right next year. Next step needs to be a top coach like Friend or Cheika at the Tahs.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

That’s the one thing that makes me think they have a future – for the first time since Dick Marks they’ve actually hired people who know how to build structures and pathways instead of going for the quick fix.

And that’s exactly what we all need to avoid – proposing quick fixes before they have a chance to change these fundamentals.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

Yes, three and a half months of domestic and a month of cross border would surely be a easier sell, without increasing cost, diluting quality or pursuing total isolation.

The Wrap: The sublime and the disappointingly familiar crash head-on in Super Rugby’s semi-final weekend

To be clear, a straw man is when you rebut an argument that was never made because it’s easier than tackling the actual point. E.g. I never said that RA can keep all its highest paid players. But they will be able to keep a whole lot more than under your surrender strategy so that’s a pretty poor argument from you.

You claim that withdrawal from an expansion franchise will kill off rugby in that state. Yet the last twenty years has shown that any gains from blowing money in AFL territories only results in losses in the heartlands that are many times bigger. Expansion has been a disaster. You’re better off concentrating on the grassroots in these places and making sure that there’s a pathway to one of the pro teams.

You can claim that they’re being fiscally irresponsible all you like but I’m pleased that they’ve stopped wasting money on a failed insolvent outpost, have given up on league converts, have plans to reduce duplication and aren’t paying overs for non vital players. All reducing costs on non essentials that have been wasted previously.

And finally for the first time since Dick Marks they’ve hired world class experts in structure and pathways. That’s where they can transform Aussie rugby and what they will need to be judged on. Not the failure to sign a fringe player who played no tests last year and two the year before.

Eddie's NRL assistant who planted seed that led to Gordon defection - and how he could switch to the All Blacks

I agree Todd. It’s strategically important. But I’ll still be cheering on the Chiefs – Clayton and his group deserve a trophy.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

That’s a straw man argument. I’ve already said that no country apart from France, Ireland and Japan can retain all its best talent. But we know for certain that a lot more will stay under RA’s plan than yours. And you can forget any support from anywhere if you force out all the best talent.

Horne is fiscally responsible enough to not spend overs on pro players and suddenly he’s a dud. Rebuilding Aussie rugby will take time, give them a chance. It would have no chance at all under your plan.

Eddie's NRL assistant who planted seed that led to Gordon defection - and how he could switch to the All Blacks

Horne. Nuciafora and Schmidt have been hired to do exactly that.

Without however many elite teams Australia can afford it’s all over. I don’t care if it’s one, two, three or four, but you need excellence through your pyramid for the game to have any chance at all.

Eddie's NRL assistant who planted seed that led to Gordon defection - and how he could switch to the All Blacks

Based on economics and player numbers Australia is certainly a top six nation and it’s been there almost exclusively in the world rankings right up until Eddie was brought back. That’s in spite of a series of disastrous decisions from RA going back to the destruction of the Dick Marks coaching structure and the reduction of community rugby spend from 15% to 2.4%.

Put bluntly, there’s no way a semi professional game stays in the top six when league and AFL are there to mop up the best players. It’s surrender.

Sure RA needs to cut costs and might have to let more players go to Europe, cut head office staff and cut duplication between organisations. But Horne, Nuciafora and Schmidt will help them rebuild their fundamentals and the players produced will need some sort of elite environment to aspire to and help them reach their potential. How many elite organisations they can sustain I don’t know, but they certainly need them.

The Aussies can't win it and the Kiwis don't care. It's time to bin rotten to the core Super Rugby Pacific and start over

Also it’s not just Schmidt, it’s Horne and Nuciafora building the system.

The Aussies can't win it and the Kiwis don't care. It's time to bin rotten to the core Super Rugby Pacific and start over

Woodart, the sad thing is that so many people are whining about the comp when the real failure is further down the pyramid and in the pathways.

RA have finally made sensible decisions to appoint successful experts like Horne, Nuciafora and Schmidt to build the quality from the bottom up. Surprise surprise it hasn’t turned the Aussies into world beaters in a few months.

The foundation is being built but it will take time. Guaranteeing lower quality through diluted teams and isolation will simply kneecap the potential of whatever players the system produces.

The Aussies can't win it and the Kiwis don't care. It's time to bin rotten to the core Super Rugby Pacific and start over

The decision to trash Dick Marks’ national coaching structure has had a huge negative impact on Aussie rugby. You used to have the best coaches in the world.

The Aussies can't win it and the Kiwis don't care. It's time to bin rotten to the core Super Rugby Pacific and start over

Only France, Japan and Ireland keep all the players they want to. At least they’ll keep more than under your surrender strategy which league would love.

None of us know how much money they have to save so your doom and gloom is purely speculative. Let’s give Horne, Nuciafora and Schmidt a chance to rebuild Aussie rugby.

Eddie's NRL assistant who planted seed that led to Gordon defection - and how he could switch to the All Blacks

I also need to praise the Canes season because they’ve improved so much and given us so much to enjoy. Big shout out to new coach Laidlaw who didn’t get a great reception from some when first announced. It’s tough leading all season as we found out last year and their pack just couldn’t match our physicality. Numia was a big miss.
Looking forward to even better from them next year, they’ll have learned so much.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

He definitely moved both down and sideways which resulted in the head on head. Finau showed good technique as usual and got low but the movement did him.

Hopefully he’ll learn from it. He has to stay aggressive and hurting people but box kicks have different movements.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

Cheers mate!

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

Yet another classic kiwi Derby with an epic mixture of sublime skills and decision making from the Chiefs and brutal collisions from both teams. Provincial unions please don’t water down this comp, our rugby needs this level of quality.

Vaa’i and all three loosies had massive games and along with the defence of the centres made life so difficult for the famed Hurricanes attack. This year Jacobson has done a fantastic job of converting to openside and he led the defensive line cleverly and powerfully. Vaa’i and Finau were decisive and hit hard.

Sititi had a match for the ages. He’s not test level yet – remember the two key missed tackles last week – but at 21 he has plenty of time.

And what a sublime display of goalkicking in a tough wind from DMac. Smiles all round.

The Blues in second had by far the easiest draw for the playoffs. They’ll have a huge advantage against a beaten up opponent.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

That’s exactly how I see it too. His communication and how he let the game flow were both excellent. Very quick and decisive in his decision making, although he did get the second and third yellows wrong.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

Better to be that team at the end of the season Dusty! Clayton has made sure of it, sticking to his rotation policy even though it cost us games e.g. Crusaders in Christchurch.

'Gutted' Hurricanes smashed out of the blocks as 'special kid' leads Chiefs to Super Rugby final against Blues

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