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A New Zealander born and raised in the bastion of Rugby Union in the deep South of New Zealand. A fan of rugby league since the Winfield Cup captured the attention of so many union purists and a North Sydney Bears tragic ever since. And having lived in Melbourne a follower of St Kilda in AFL.
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There are some burning questions that need to be asked before the playoffs begin and answered hopefully before everybody forgets that they were even…
The NRL has taken the step of announcing a 'Magic Round' weekend of footy in Brisbane in Round 10 next year. With that in…
Steve I am willing to bet there are as many girls in junior rugby league clubs across Australia and NZ as there are boys, why shouldn’t there be development pathways made available to the girls as they grow into young women and ladies.
Those who cannot remember past NRL expansion errors are condemned to repeat them
I have no idea why you think there is only 1 rugby league club in “Northern Sydney” there are quite definately two!
Those who cannot remember past NRL expansion errors are condemned to repeat them
It doesn’t really matter in a comp there will always be wooden spooners and ‘weaker’ teams no matter if you have 12, 16 18 or 20 teams!
Those who cannot remember past NRL expansion errors are condemned to repeat them
Yeah the ‘poorly run Sydney club’ Trope !!
What do you think is the definition of poorly run?
Not being able to win a premiership since 2007 despite all their advantage ! ( I’m looking at you Brisbane ! )
Almost getting shut down again until getting an NRL bail out before new owners were found (I’m looking at you Gold Coast )
Cooking the books on a massive scale and getting titles stripped from you ! ( I’m looking at you Melbourne ! )
Those who cannot remember past NRL expansion errors are condemned to repeat them
Have you seen the new seasons North Sydney Bears home and away jerseys for the upcoming season? I like their alternate 2023 jersey that on its own deserved a mention!
The good, the bad and the Dolphins: 2023 NRL jersey review from fashion disasters to Paramount elegance
I think the reaction to the West Tigers jersey was somewhat over the top they are that bad surely?
The good, the bad and the Dolphins: 2023 NRL jersey review from fashion disasters to Paramount elegance
Your comment is a bit negative. You’re saying no one cares about womens rugby league. Is it sexism? Short term pain of investment for potential gain in new markets and promoting the game. My point was NRL clubs don’t and didn’t make money.
The NRL should be thinking less is more
Good article! In short this Sydney & Not Sydney conference is a load of rubbish. Its just the clubs old NSWRL clubs protecting their own self interest and knee-capping anything that is a potential threat.
My club's not from Sydney: Sell me on NRL conferences
There are a fair few NRL clubs that don’t make or lose money. Whats your point?
The NRL should be thinking less is more
“Assuming there are less injuries, it stands to reason there should be better quality matches because coaches would have more fit players to choose from.”
No because that is a huge assumption that there will be less injuries and the coach now only has to pick his fittest and most in form players for his run on and bench what makes any one beleive there would be better matches?
“The shorter the season, the more player intensity would have to lift because losing games would have a far greater impact than losing in a longer competition.”
No cause you still have the final 8. 8 is 8. Now if you went back to the old 5 team play off system then it would mean losing games would have the greater impact.
The NRL should be thinking less is more
Until uncle Nick isn’t around and then what happens?
If I were in charge at the Roosters I would seriously consider the very long-term future plans and what that could be.
I think they should look at relocating now while they are in the financially good position that they are.
The death of a Sydney NRL club is inevitable
Rabbitz. My argument was not a straw man. My points were made in the context of the article authors premise that Manly had to invade Bears territory to enhance their prosperity and ensure their survival. My point was and remains that the Bears have a territory (that is not and never was vacated) in which they are responsible for the promotion of rugby league within as do MW and every other NSW based club. Just because they don’t have a NRL franchise license doesn’t mean they aren’t a cog in the NRL system. By the way Berowra Wallabies are in the NS district JRL and yes they have no top level team at that level but that is a little irrelevant when it’s mums and dads who take their little kiddos down to the park get them participating in sport to begin with. As they get older they will pick their side but they won’t pick any side without having the seed planted.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
The combined figure seems about right
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
“And junior catchments are mostly irrelevant these days”.
They can or should never be irrelevant, as I said above Ive never seen the top of a pyramid that wasn’t build on a solid base.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
As you say…”this fixation on territorial allegiance” may not matter to a top level and many people will support and follow a team until the next good thing comes by or their allegiance changes like a flag in the wind. “The modern world allow supporters to closely follow a team or sportsman any where in the world”. This may well be true but when it comes to administering junior leagues and fostering the game at grassroots level someone who lives in a particular area within a line on a map deem it important. Ive never seen the top of a pyramid that wasn’t build on a solid base. You tell me that kids in that part of Sydney don’t need the NSDRL to run and administer the weekend kids competition or the HM, SGB JF or the NSW State Womens comp.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
Hey Adam.
I can’t imagine why you would be distraught at being a Nth Qld fan. They had their maiden premiership and I cant imagine the next would be too far off?
The Bears brand was silenced at NRL level but they are far from “dead and buried” like some would have you believe. I am a tragic who still has a Bears membership. I dream of a return to NRL level but I accept that it is a monumental task that we are trying to achieve and we have had obstruction and delay to this day. On your point about the NRL level perspective that Bears territory is vacated. I agree and disagree. There is no top level exposure but at the grass roots the NS District RL still runs the junior programmes. I don’t see anything wrong with Manly competing for corporate backing in these areas either I was just point out the irony in advocating this while many say it is a negative when talking about the Bears advocating for the chance of a NRL return. Lastly this conversation isn’t a “yes they can” and me saying “no they cant” It was more of an attempt to point out the irony of so many saying it is a good idea for Manly but saying it is a bad idea if we a talking about it in the context of the Bears tapping into the same market to try a for return.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
Well I think I would be right in assuming the author of this piece is a paid up Sea Eagles fan.
At least he isn’t arrogant or misguided enough to think, like a lot of people, that that part of Sydney is automatically theirs.
But I have a few points to critique this article
The North Sydney Bears were banished from the NRL in 1999. The 3 years of the Northern Eagles does not count as that entity were the Sea Eagles with a barely disguised contempt for the other so called partner in the “joint venture”.
The question becomes if “Manly would be well served by broadening the appeal of the club outside of its traditional supporter base on the Northern Beaches” Why have they not done so? “There is no chance of North Sydney re-entering the NRL at their old base”. Well that is not what the Bears were trying to do in the late nineties and ever since their argument has been that they want to tap into the Corporate sponsorship available from the Nth Sydney CBD and the area up to the CC.So why has everyone said they cant do that and now the author is suggesting MW Sea Eagles can and it is a great idea? According to the author.. “so it would be logical for Manly to be more proactive in inheriting vacant Bears territory” Simple answer is it is not vacant territory! The Bears are and have been very proactive in gaining corporate sponsorship. And simply put the Sea Eagles brand might be a bit on the nose in those parts, although I may be speculating there.
And as for Manly taking “at least one pre-season trial match and one regular season home fixture to the Central Coast, make a connection with the community.” Well that is pretty
contemptuous and would be piece meal at best and pretty insulting to the community at worst.
And like Forrest Gump that’s all I have to say about that!
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
Terrance,Terrance,Terrance!!!
Never, Never, ever assume that what you believe is the same as knowledge!
The 16 Clubs do not own the NRL. Although you are right in that they do have a lot of power and sway.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
Great idea get the two teams together and Sea Eagles “use them for their cash in exchange for their juniors and 1 game at North Sydney Oval”
How long would it be before they are splitting again? Norths wouldn’t fall for that again!
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
23 clubs? Got a source for that figure? I can only see 16 in my quick search.
Manly must invade enemy Bears territory to survive
North Sydney the suburb is smaller than Manly the suburb. But Manly- Warringah districts or the Northern Beaches region? As opposed to the “entire” Northern Sydney region? It’s all down to semantics and what we want to use as a definition.
It's time to drop the Sea Eagles
And how do we know North Sydney Bears wouldn’t have won those 2 Grand Finals?
It's time to drop the Sea Eagles
@TheBarry
Why is it that you believe it to be disingenuous?
It's time to drop the Sea Eagles
@Clanger McClunk
I have been thinking for a long time on the very subject and agree with you on the need for a rethink about how RL is arranged in Australia. I might have slightly different ideas on how to distribute the teams who participate and the number of teams needed or wanted in Sydney.
I think removing all current teams from the NRL and redistributing the franchise holders would be an idea. Traditional clubs could compete in a revamped NSW Cup and have multiple teams feeding into the re organized NRL franchises.
I also reference my point from above to AE47. I genuinely think the ARLC or NRL need to hold a review on the state of the game and to be meaningful allow public submissions. After all it is the public that are the greatest stakeholders. And by way of being taxpayers and rate payers are asked to fund stadiums with public money.
Those who try to revive rugby league's neglected icons deserve congratulations, not criticism
I don’t think that is a good argument !
Swans 2 Premierships and 4 losing GF appearances and Lions 3 consecutive Premierships and 1 or two losing GF appearances compared to say Cronulla that took 50 years to earn a Premiership and 3 losing GF appearances!
Those who cannot remember past NRL expansion errors are condemned to repeat them