SPIRO: How I would fix Australian rugby
By Spiro Zavos, 13 Jul 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Let’s cut to the chase, there are two major things wrong with Australian rugby. The first is the dysfunctional NSW Waratahs franchise.
And second is the general inability of most Australian Super Rugby teams to score tries and play entertaining rugby, especially when they play each other in local derbies.
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NSW produces a third of all the rugby players in Australia. The state has one professsional rugby team compared with a number of NRL teams and two AFL teams. Yet this rugby team has been attracting crowds of less than 20,000 spectators for some of its matches. Admittedly the team has suffered its worst season ever in Super Rugby.
But the collapse of the team’s playing record and its crowd numbers is not a one-off 2012 event. The Waratahs have never won a Super Rugby title. And in recent years has compounded this lack of success with a terrible style of rugby, the ‘win-ugly’ method (in reality a ‘lose-ugly’ method) which has seen the average crowd size of over 30,000 diminish to something almost half this number.
The Waratahs have a tradition of being one of the great provincial sides in world rugby. They have beaten the All Blacks on a number of occasions, something that Scotland, Ireland, Italy and Argentina (among the top tier rugby countries) have never done.
Sydney has or had a club competition which was the equal to any in the world. The city, too, has the greatest rugby school in Australia, St Joeseph’s Hunter Hill which has produced 15 per cent of all Wallabies. There are several strong school-boy rugby competitions.
And despite all this, we get the woeful Waratahs. And aside from Kurtley Beale in recent years, the Waratahs assembly line of brilliant backs and forwards from the state’s earliest days with Dally Messenger seems to have dried up. Where are the exciting young players coming through the Waratahs system?
What is to be done?
Do what was done in Queensland several years ago, when the Super Rugby franchise there was in as bad a shape as the Waratahs franchise is now. There needs to be an ARU intervention against the Waratahs franchise, as there was against the Queensland franchise.
In Queensland, the franchise was re-branded as The Reds. They were given a new outfit. The board and organisation of coaches, medical staff and so on were cleaned out. A new chairman with a rugby and business background, Rod McCall was brought in. The old board was booted out and people who knew something about rugby were brought in. A coach, Ewen McKenzie, with Super Rugby (at the Waratahs) and overseas experience (France) was brought in.
Tough guidelines regarding the repayment of the ARU loan were instigated. The loan was repaid before it fell due. The team is playing in front of record crowds. There are 30,000 members (probably double what the Waratahs have). And in his second year as head coach McKenzie brought home the bacon with the Reds first Super Rugby talent.
The intervention and system and processes which were put in place to revive the Reds must happen for the Waratahs franchise to save it from oblivion.
The matter of improving the spectacle, quality and success-rate of Australian Super Rugby teams (a combination of outcomes that I join together with the lack of tries mantra) gets down to the quality of the rugby thinking in Australia and flows through to the mentality and skills of the coaches.
In my view, the rugby IQ in Australia is much lower than that of New Zealand or South Africa, but much higher than that in the UK. What is perplexing about this is that at schools like Joeys and in the past in clubs like Randwick of ‘Galloping Greens’ fame, the level of sophistication about tactics and strategies (the flat line back line attack, for instance) was much higher than in New Zealand and possibly even South Africa.
Two of the finest coaches in world rugby, Graham Henry and Jake White, came out of coaching their high school First XVs, and I might add, so did Alan Jones, the first Wallaby coach to have a winning record of over 70 per cent.
Since professional rugby came in, the progression from success at the school boy level through to clubs and then on to the international level has been replaced with players moving directly from playing to specialist coaching of a professional team and then through to becoming a Super Rugby coach.
This system is just not working, in my opinion. Right now there are two Super Rugby teams that are noticeably well-coached and well-selected. These teams are the Reds and the Brumbies. Only one of the head coaches of these teams is an Australian, McKenzie.
Where are the successors to Deans and his probable successor McKenzie among the ranks of the Super Rugby franchise, or the club sides in Sydney and Brisbane?
It is all very well insisting that the ARU should do something about all this. But the reality is that that the five Super Rugby franchises have the resources or should have the resources to do something about raising the rugby IQ in their states.
Take the Waratahs, for instance. What do they do about identifying young talent and then nurturing it so that the talented youngster become the senior players of later years? So many players over the years have been lost to the Waratahs because young talent was not identified and brought immediately into the system.
How much more successful would the Waratahs have been, for instance, if George Smith (an all-time Wallaby great) rather than Phil Waugh (a gutsy journeyman) had been identified by the Waratahs franchise as a player they could build franchise success around?
The new Waratahs regime, and the all the other franchises (although the Reds seem to spotting and promoting some great young talent, need to go further into their rugby communities to raise their collective rugby IQs.
Brett McKay points out in his piece on how to fix Australian rugby that at the Brumbies they also carried out a root-and-branch clean-out of all their systems and processes, including bringing in a new chef and, of course, a new coach with a winning track record. This fits in with the history of the Brumbies, following their foundation by Rod Macqueen, of being the smartest Australian franchise, on and off the field.
One final point about this matter of raising the rugby IQ of a franchise.
How many of the CEOs and coaches of the Super Rugby franchise know that next month Topo Rodriquez is publishing a master work on how get the perfect scrum? How many franchises will tap into his expertise in an area where Australian rugby lags badly behind New Zealand, South Africa and England?
How many franchises tap into the backline wisdom of Geoff Mould, the man who discovered the Ella brothers and helped to create with his theories on backline play a golden era of Australian back play?
Would the current administration of the Waratahs, for instance, even know who he is. They certainly didn’t recognise Terry Curley (a Waratahs and Wallaby great and successful coach at Joeys) who spoke with some disconcerting (for the officials and coaches) conviction at last year’s public forum put on by the Waratahs franchise.
As many readers would know, I came to Australia over 30 years ago from New Zealand. I would say that one of the main differences between the rugby cultures in the two countries is that there is much greater awareness of the history of the game, its great players and how to play it successfully in New Zealand than there is here.
It would surprise New Zealanders, for instance, to know that the talents of the Ellas, David Campese and other less great Wallabies like David Knox don’t seem to be given a run in the Waratahs or other Super Rugby franchises. The Waratahs, more than any other franchise, need to start looking towards taping into the intellectual property on matters rugby that resides in a host of former greats, of recent and not so recent vintage.
I’ll just discuss briefly some other matters raised in this series. Brett McKay wants the Australian Rugby Championship brought back as the Australian equivalent of the New Zealand ITM tournament and South Africa’s Currie Cup.
This overlooks the fact that there is now a seamless rugby year in Australia of Super Rugby from February to June: the June internationals; the July Super Rugby finals; the Rugby Championship in August/September/October; finishing with the November tour to Europe.
The Australian equivalent of the ITM and the Currie Cup should be the club competitions in Sydney and Brisbane. The NSW and Queensland unions need to put together a finals play-off between the top two teams in each city for the Australian Championship.
David Lord wants a shake up in the administration of rugby from the IRB, the ARU down to the state union levels. I believe that the IRB (finally) and the ARU are doing a good job. The real problems are at the state levels. And some of his ideas about club rugby, school boy rugby and the development of rewarding sponsorships at all levels of the game have merit.
But I would argue that a lot of the problems he and Brett identified would be dissipated when the current Waratahs franchise is dissolved and a new, efficient, knowledgeable and energetic group of leaders is installed.
In administration as it is on the field, nothing beats talent, team-work and commitment. Right now these are qualities that the Waratahs franchise, on and off the field, is totally lacking.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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July 13th 2012 @ 2:17am
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:17am | Report comment
How to fix Australian rugby…
Sack Robbie Deans.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:56am
murph73 said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:56am | Report comment
Exactly. There is no way NZ, SA or France would have a coach from o/s. People can go on all they like about how he’s a professional etc but ultimately he’s a Kiwi and it does make a difference. The winning edge is created by the heart, not the mind.
And then there’s the matter of true, deep seated loyalty.
Don’t believe me? Here’s a first hand anecdote to chew on: A good friend of mine, a more professional guy you won’t meet (who will remain anonymous) used to play for an Irish province and was asked by the Irish whether he would consider being resident in Ireland and so have the option to one day be chosen to play for Ireland. I was in Dublin working at the time and we were discussing the matter over a few beers:
Me: “It’s the 2003 World Cup final in Sydney. It’s Ireland v Australia. Australia have a 4 point lead, the clock has ticked past 80 mins and Ireland have possession. You burst through the Australian defence and have a clear run to the try line. What do you do?”
Him: “Put it into touch.”
July 13th 2012 @ 10:41am
Johnno said | July 13th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
funny the nz black caps cricket team don’t feel the same way . They had an aussie steve rixon as head coach and went though a great time. They NZ cricket also employed Alan Donald as there bowling coach.
-And SA Duncan Fletcher is a Zimbabwean and he has had coaching consulting roles with SA cricket.
July 13th 2012 @ 1:53pm
Kuruki said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Mate there is a huge difference between coaching a New Zealand cricket team and a NZ Rugby side. I think getting a cricket player emotional is probably a bad idea. As far as technical aspects go it is irrelevant where you come from. When it comes to the heart and the mana it does matter In Rugby you need to be able to bring the passion out of players. IMO it would be hard for an Australian to understand what it is like to be a Kiwi and what triggers our emotions so how then do you tap into that?. I think the same goes vice versa. Is Robbie Deans a passionate Australian?? No.
Coaching Australia, is a job for Dingo, let’s be honest, how passionate are you about your job?. Would you ever tell your employer the truth if he asked you how you liked the job? I’d smile and say yeah mate i’m enjoying it and just get on with it secretly thinking about how sweet life would be if i had the job i really wanted.
If you want to fix Australian Rugby start with the players and their attitudes. To me they look like 9 to 5er’s going about thier mundane lives collecting a paycheck week to week. No passion no enthusiasm no excitement.
July 13th 2012 @ 6:07pm
Johnno said | July 13th 2012 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
kuruki a slightly narrow view mate. Wales for example which has the same rugby tradition in it’s culture as NZ. It is the national sport like in NZ.
-They have had 2 kiwis now Grahame Henry and warren garland. Is that anti-welsh or un welsh or unclutral or wrong kuruki. Did that cause up roar in wales no way long term. Wales only cared about winning.
And im sure NZ would too. If NZ had a choice between Clive woodward or steve hansen they would go for woodward.
July 13th 2012 @ 10:16pm
liam said | July 13th 2012 @ 10:16pm | Report comment
pffffttt woodward! get real
July 14th 2012 @ 5:34am
Kuruki said | July 14th 2012 @ 5:34am | Report comment
Johnno i did not say it is anti anything, my point is if you want to get the most out of your players build a strong culture and draw out every ounce of emotion then you actually need to have an understanding of what it is that triggers those emotions and understand what it is to be a New Zealander. How can you expect anyone to draw on something they don’t and have never experienced or felt.
There is noway anyone from England Ireland or anywhere else can come to the All Blacks and understand what it is like for those players to be wearing that jersey it is in our blood.
You say Wales has the same Rugby culture in its tradition yet not one of those Welsh players understands what it’s like to be an All Black and not one All Black understands what it’s like to be a Welshmen.
And Johnno. There is noway on gods green earth Clive Woodward would ever get near the All Blacks coaching job, that would cause an uproar and you would understand this allot better if you were a New Zealander. Point proven.
July 14th 2012 @ 6:42am
MB said | July 14th 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
The nationality of a coach does not matter. If Australia wants to be the best team in the world, it hires the world’s best to coach them. Nationality does not come into it.
July 14th 2012 @ 7:34am
Johnno said | July 14th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
Exactly MB I agree the best man for the job. Once the initial huff and puff shuts up and the team wins that all most fans end up caring about.
July 13th 2012 @ 3:45am
kingplaymaker said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:45am | Report comment
Frank that’s probably the worst post ever written on this site. It shows a complete lack of any engagement or understanding with the issues concerned.
Simply thoughtless venom and the desire for an easy excuse and scapegoat. The only value it has is showing the position of the mindless mob, that only sees things in terms of childish simplicity.
July 13th 2012 @ 5:49am
sheek said | July 13th 2012 @ 5:49am | Report comment
KPM,
Frank did post at ’2.17am’. I’m guessing he was very tired…..
July 13th 2012 @ 8:32am
Pot Hale said | July 13th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
And KPM at 3.45am. He was probably even more tired……….
July 13th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Post said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Oh man, could not have said that better myself, KPM.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Meh!
Anybody who’s read my posts on Robbie Deans know how much I’ve thought about the issue. You know…
- Continuing with Burgess in 2009
- Culling Baxter way too late
- Playing Giteau at 10
- Mishandling Berrick Barnes
- Changing the Aussie defence – Australia were the best defensive side in the world under Muggleton, they went back at a rate of knots when Deans introduced a Crusaders-style defence.
- Moving Mortlock to 12, when he never had the room to impose his power-running game.
- Fielding a hideously small backline in 2009
- Not dropping Cooper for the semi-final last year… it wouldn’t have made a difference, but Australia could have at least looked respectable in that game.
There was a brief period in 2010 when the Wallabies backline fell into place in South Africa, with Beale at fullback, O’Connor finding his feet next to Beale, etc, Cooper playing ‘okay’, and Genia having a snipe. And things looked even better against France with Barnes at 12… but wow the Wallabies did not perform at last year’s world cup.
A lot of the Wallabies problems are just selection problems. They’re not administration problems, they’re not problems with league getting Australia’s most talented players, they’re not problems with rugby being the number 4 code in Australia… nope, just poor management and selection.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm
kingplaymaker said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Not going to waste time engaging with this.
But did you notice that this series of articles is about Australian rugby in general and not the Wallabies? According to your crazy logic Deans is responsible for the problems of Australian rugby and if let go they would disappear. This is ludicrous.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Yes I did notice that.
I don’t think Deans is wrong with the problems in Australian rugby. Personally I don’t think the problems in Australian rugby are as bad people say.
Too much finger-pointing in Australian rugby right now and not enough people taking accountability of themselves.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:57pm
kingplaymaker said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
If you noticed the article was about the problems in Australian rugby why did you post that firing Deans would solve them if you didn’t think it was true?
July 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
People think there’s something wrong with Australian rugby, partly because the Wallabies aren’t getting the results the public wants.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:42pm
Riccardo said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
“And things looked even better against France with Barnes at 12…’
With Cooper returning to form and fitness this is a question I have also been asking myself. Why not have Barnes at 12?
Frank, while there may be some merit in the questions asked of Dingo’s selections and particularly the use of his bench, I actually think it might be sensible to save “the night of the long knives” (thanks Uncle) till after the full injured roster is available and the RC and Bledisloe are completed.
If John’s comments in the media recenty are anything to go by it seems a line may have already been drawn in the sand in this regard.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:29pm
Brad said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Lets get back on track; the problem is not Australian rugby, it is Waratahs rugby……The Waratahs are woeful, plain and simple! It’s time to clean out the closet because something has died in there; and if the Waratahs are strong, Australian rugby is strong. Changing the international coach gains you nothing!
July 13th 2012 @ 5:44pm
AWCMONREF said | July 13th 2012 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
Is that you Link awcmon Ewen stop calling yourself Frank……You really dislike Robbie don’t you
July 14th 2012 @ 10:27am
Go_the_Wannabe's said | July 14th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
you forgot losing the semi to ireland and not having a back up 7……unpardonable.
dingo has to go.
July 13th 2012 @ 1:58pm
Kuruki said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Maybe he dislikes Deans as a coach so much he can no-longer see reason when debating it. Much like you and Conrad Smith KPM.
July 13th 2012 @ 5:48pm
AWCMONREF said | July 13th 2012 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
Hey whats wrong with Conrad KPM that guys no Dan Carter but he does his job and does it well………….
July 13th 2012 @ 4:03am
The Werewolf said | July 13th 2012 @ 4:03am | Report comment
In some ways i hope Robbie Deans does go soon so that we can see how good a coach he really is. Mckenzie and any one of the current australian coaches are not as good and will not get any better results.
As for all the ‘how do we fix australian rugby’.
Did we not just beat the grand slam winning 6 nations champions 3 nil? Are we not the defending tri nations champions and also have a franchise that is the defending super xv champions? are we not ranked 2nd in the world behind only the all blacks?
July 13th 2012 @ 6:35am
Thurl said | July 13th 2012 @ 6:35am | Report comment
But the Australian sides (including the Wallabies) don’t seem capable of playing a style of game that is going to get them to no1.
The reds Super 15 victory was very impressive, but its not been backed up this year. The 3 nil sweep of Wales was uninspiring and given what came after last years Tri Noations win, I would think that victory to be a little hollow
July 14th 2012 @ 1:57am
BD said | July 14th 2012 @ 1:57am | Report comment
What happened afte the tri nations? We came 3rd at the world cup. Not exactly a humiliating disaster.
July 14th 2012 @ 4:00am
Ra said | July 14th 2012 @ 4:00am | Report comment
3-0 series win is usually pretty good stuff I woulda thought
July 13th 2012 @ 6:14am
soapit said | July 13th 2012 @ 6:14am | Report comment
this kind of illustrates part of the problem. australian rugby includes more than just the wallabies
July 13th 2012 @ 7:08am
Jeff said | July 13th 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
It is that sort of thinking that is at the root of the problems that Spiro is talking about.If you think you can fix these problems by firing the Wallabies coach[no matter who he is] then I fear for the future of rugby in Australia if you are a typical fan.
The fact of the matter is if it wasn’t for the Conference system in this years Super 15 then Australia would probably have no teams in the top six.Even with the Conference system in the Waratahs ,Rebels and the Force we have three of the worst performing teams in the comp.
And apart from the Reds all the teams are playing boring rugby!
Can you think of one game featuring an Australian team this year that compares with last weeks game between the Chiefs and the Crusaders.
And which teams have scored the least number of tries in this years comp.The Australians.
And apart from at Brisbane we have a problem with crowd numbers.
And your solution is to sack the Wallabies coach.
The poor devil has actually mangaed to get the Wallabies from 5th to 2nd in the world rankings despite the dross that permeates first class rugby here. Mind you if the South Africans hadn’t employed a clown as a coach for the last four years I doubt if we would have been ahead of them.
It is only going to get harder now they have a decent coach.
July 13th 2012 @ 9:23am
biltongbek said | July 13th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
You must have missed the Brumbies vs the Bulls.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:36pm
Jutsie said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
or the brumbies v hurricanes or the brumbies v sharks or the brumbies v chiefs.
Easy to look at team fielding a 3rd choice flyhalf playing his first year and say they are a boring team if you ignore the games they played when leiliafanno/toomua were fit.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm
Mantis said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
We will see the Brumbies and Reds in the finals in the near future. Everyone was writing the Brums off at the start of the year, myself included, but they should (barring disaster) make the finals. When their youngens such as White, Mogg, Coleman, Carter etc… get more accustomed to super rugby, and they build on the already impressive side they have (hopefully with the aquisition of some bloke from Perth), they have the chance to emulate the great Brumbies side of the late 90′s early 00′s.
And as far the Reds, remember this year they have had injuries to key players for a lengthy time. It is impressive that they are still in the finals race. And as long as they have Macca they are in with a chance.
Super Rugby goes in cycles like this (bar the Crusaders, who you can always bank on being there at the pointy end). Before the Bulls won the comp, there was generally only one Saffa team who would put up a half decent challenge for the title.
July 13th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Jonny G said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
There should be a rule on The Roar, if you make a suggestion you should also be made to give a solution. So many times I see people say we should just sack the coach like it will solve all our problems. Its really not that simple, who comes in for Robbie Deans then? sure Link is good but is he ready? Is Cheika worth giving the job? Is there anyone outside these two who are worthy of the coaching job?
July 13th 2012 @ 5:19pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 13th 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Link was ready in 2008. I don’t mind saying that I’d feel a lot better if Deans were sacked and McKenzie replaced him, even if the results don’t improve. It’s one of those things where what we have right now isn’t bringing the Bledisloe Cup back to Australia, so if things don’t improve under McKenzie, well at least we tried something.
But as mentioned above, this thread isn’t about the Wallabies, but the state of Australian rugby in general, which I honestly don’t think is as bad as people say it is. Australians are just looking for excuses for poor management.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:54am
GrecoRoman said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:54am | Report comment
So basically let’s go back to 1990, and we focus on getting the Lower North Shore/Eastern Suburbs Tahs winning again. Also-ran and cast-off players go to the Brumbies, Rebels and Force since there is no plan to develop the game beyond the elites of Sydney and Brisbane. Go Joeys! Rah! Rah!
July 13th 2012 @ 3:06am
James said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:06am | Report comment
This topic has been done to death
July 13th 2012 @ 3:23am
Aaron said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:23am | Report comment
It’s Sir Graham Henry FYI.
July 13th 2012 @ 4:22am
kingplaymaker said | July 13th 2012 @ 4:22am | Report comment
The Waratahs and Reds are the beating hearts of Australian rugby and NSW is a bigger state, 7.2 million to 4.5 million in QlD, with 41% of players produced in Australia to 31%. So any cancerous growth spreads throughout the whole body with far more penetration than disease elsewhere.
In this way the Waratahs failures affect the image of rugby more than any other franchise, they affect the recruitment of players more, they tear into the fanbase more significantly, and stifle the potential for growth the most.
The ARU must intervene and JON’s latest dictum that it’s not up to the ARU to run a franchise is false. This is only the case if they’re remotely competent, not abominable. There must be accountability. A franchise cannot simply be allows to fail because ‘it’s not up to the ARU to run a franchise’. The alternative would surely be to allow them them free reign to do anything they want indefinitely. No. In a business if an employee is failing, his boss fires him and if his boss is failing, a larger boss fires him. Now there is a situation where the Waratahs board effectively have no boss and can fail as long as they like. The ARU must muscle up and sent the lot of them to kingdom come, instead of abrogating responsibility.
There is indeed a coaching problem and the failures in the article are correct. What’s even more disturbing is the franchises’ willingness to appoint insider assistants instead of proven outsiders. This doesn’t even apply just to the Waratahs: what on earth were the Rebels thinking in appointing Damien Hill?
Then, who are those involved with Australian rugby at the higher levels? A group of old boy ex-players from the amateur era, with no professional mentality or concept that rugby should be entertainment, or that it has to compete with other codes, or that it should do anything other than continue to be played at certain schools and local clubs. They are possessed by a mentality of entitlement, inertia, and arrogance. Everything is already great and nothing need change: they are also the most intensely conservative. This whole maleficent type should be wiped out of the game and replaced by professional men from business or if from rugby younger men from the professional era, not retrograde dinosaurs of the type who fill every rugby board.
The problem is that the franchises have the market to themselves in each state too, and so can fester impotently, luxuriating in their position of dominance and with no inward pressure to perform or do anything else.
They can get away with murder: look at the selection of Dean Mumm over Sitaleki Timani and Kane Douglas for his ‘farewell’, and the stunningly preposterous list of excuses rolled out to justify the horrendous failings of the Waratahs.
Do any of the franchises spread the game to any new schools, and are they under pressure to do so?
It’s a regular theme of mine but I feel that in addition to a clearout these decadent franchises must be put into competition. They cannot simply laze around in captive markets like gorillas without a rival male. This is impossible in the case of the Rebels, Force and Brumbies, but the Waratahs should be put in competition and in the long-term it would be good if there were competition in Queensland even if things are fine now. A single addition team in Western Sydney, (and ideally one in the Gold Coast), would compel the Waratahs to fight for every player and fan they now currently take for granted, to fight to expand the game to enlarge their player pool and fan base, and to fight to maintain a more alluring image.
Now, like the Blues, everything is gifted to them and they do nothing with it. They must be taught a lesson in sporting franchise darwinism.
Whether there should be a national competition or not is one question, whether there will be another. It would seem that for the moment no one in the ARU will take on the risk. In the absence of this I would suggest adding a final in each conference based on the points accumulated against the teams within each, and when (if??) more teams are added a semi-final too. This has the advantage of creating a national competition without in any way interfering with the current system which I personally find good except for the shortage of teams and single private owners.
Finally South Africa should be forced to move their Currie Cup, and the objection New Zealand have to starting it earlier should be rejected. I can’t remember what the objection is but whatever it is unless the fate of the universe hangs on it then it should be rejected.
July 13th 2012 @ 7:50am
biltongbek said | July 13th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Sorry but I am not with you, why must SA be forced to move their Currie Cup, we have already reduced it to 6 teams and hidden it inbetween the small space between the rugby championship and the november tours. Where do you suggest we move it too?
July 13th 2012 @ 8:03am
kingplaymaker said | July 13th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
There’s room to move it. Push it back a couple of weeks or however much is necessary: so long as it doesn’t have to be curtailed, then it should be a sacrifice any of the three SANZAR countries are willing to make to accomodate as much Super rugby as possible, which is the critical second tier competition in all three. Both South Africa or New Zealand should allow Super rugby to take as much space as necessary so long as their national competitions aren’t curtailed.
I don’t think it was reduced to 6 teams because of that by the way.
July 13th 2012 @ 8:41am
Emric said | July 13th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Cc is out rating sr in sa this should worry nz and aus
July 15th 2012 @ 7:37pm
allblackfan said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
Emric, not sure that would be a worry to Aust or NZ. Why should it?
As for KPM, forget it. NZ and SA have had to make too many sacrifices regarding their own domestic competition just to help out Aust. Enough’s enough – NZ for one cannot afford to keep making concesions for Aust. It’s too small. Draw the line, NZRU!
How about Aust players take a leaf out of the Kiwi book and actually run the ball past the first-five? That should work!! (or it should once the outside backs get over their frieght at seeing an oval-shaped object being passed at them!!)
July 13th 2012 @ 8:47am
onside said | July 13th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Kingplaymaker,
Now, like the Blues, everything is gifted to them and they do nothing with it. They must be taught a lesson in sporting franchise darwinism.’
Abolish the salary cap.The Waratahs is a ‘Claytons’ franchise. More a restrictive licence.Increased investment will demand removal of salary cap to create a measurable market value. .Owners will then pour money into local grass roots rugby to shore up future assets.Inturn,the old dead wood, hangers on and urgers will be automatically defrocked.No salary cap = real sporting franchise Darwinism.
July 13th 2012 @ 4:32am
Shungmao said | July 13th 2012 @ 4:32am | Report comment
Sick of the sky is falling down and the world will end mentality – an Aussie team won the title last year, Australia is ranked 2nd in the world at the moment, we just won 3 test against the best NH team, we now have 5 super rugby teams, yes three are off the pace but if you are a reds or brumbies supporter you’re pretty happy.
We also need to stop looking at Aussie super rugby as a collective all the time, it should be viewed and supported as individual teams and you want yours to win! ( league and afl do it well). Personally if the reds are winning it don’t particularly care if the other franchises aren’t because I want my team in the finals.
Personally I just don’t think things are as bad in rugby in Australia as we keep making it out to be all the time. Off my soap box now, have a ripper day all!
July 13th 2012 @ 5:29am
biltongbek said | July 13th 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
I agree with you, there seems to be a sense of premature panic by some, I would wait to see how things go this year before this generates even more panic
July 13th 2012 @ 6:56am
sheek said | July 13th 2012 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Shungmao,
On the surface, the facts would support your plea that things are just dandy with Australian rugby, & to leave alone.
But other countries aren’t faced with the severe competition of 4 football codes competing for players, fans, sponsors, exposure & revenue streams, as we are in this country.
And it is these issues, & the desire for Australian rugby to be the best it can be, that occupies the mind of some, or many, of us.
July 13th 2012 @ 8:39am
Shungmao said | July 13th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Sheek,
Totally get your point, I posted in a previously,,we have 47 professional football teams in Australia, soon to be 49 with the league expansions, all our codes do pretty dam well to be honest considering the competition and population. And I personally want the most successful rugby competitions but there is a lot to look forward too, be proud off and be excited by which is often over- shadowed by ” what is perceived to be wrong”.
July 13th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Riccardo said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Good posts Shung.
You have to admire the Australian psyche where no matter what the constructive criticisms or limitations, there is no excuse for not being the best.
#2 is not far from being the best I would suggest.
July 13th 2012 @ 2:02pm
Damo said | July 13th 2012 @ 2:02pm | Report comment
Unless No.1 is the current nz team with a lot of daylight between.
July 13th 2012 @ 3:44pm
sheek said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
Just as an aside, since it’s not relevant to the article per se, but if the Wallabies are the second best team in international rugby, then that doesn’t say much about the depth of international rugby, does it?
The Wallabies are a good team that is improving. And in a few years, God willing, we might even call them a great team. But not now, not today, not this month. And not over the past year.
How there aren’t another 2-3 teams between the All Blacks & Wallabies (based on present ability), in terms of talent, says more about the poor standard of international rugby.
But of course, that’s another story for another day……….
July 16th 2012 @ 12:55pm
Cattledog said | July 16th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
I await that story with baited breath, Sheek, so we can discuss the standard of International rugby and where the Wallabies should rightfully sit.
Since we have lies, damn lies and statistics, I’m sure we can see them at number one quite soon
July 13th 2012 @ 6:10am
soapit said | July 13th 2012 @ 6:10am | Report comment
the rugby championship does not provide seamless rugby. if the aus team has a week off that means there is absolutely no rugby on aus tv that week = press black out. and at best theres only one game a week you can watch/talk about. not good enough. we do need some kind of arc type thing to complement the rc
July 13th 2012 @ 7:13am
onside said | July 13th 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
The title of the series, ‘how I would fix Australian rugby ‘ seems to have upset those few people that take it literaly .By and large the positive contributions have been about how they might IMPROVE Australian rugby.There’s a difference.
A couple of observations then, to add to the mix,
1.Sydney and Brisbane are different in that Sydney(and NSW) could be a country in its own right.It has several geographical regions.People who live in one area,rarely or never ever go to the others..They ‘never cross the bridge’ or travel to the Western Suburbs.That sort of thing. These regions in Sydney are not unlike provences .Sydney needs another one or two teams that represent and do justice to these distinct regions.There is no collective sence of ‘our team’ with The Waratahs.Of course when the Waratahs are on a roll,there is far greater support,but its more an entertainment than ownership factor.There’s no ‘club’ feel about The Waratahs.
2.Brisbane regions, ,though spread out, are far more accessable.The Reds have a more inclusive ‘clubby’ feel about them. There is less pressure living in Brisbane. On the other hand Sydney, being Australias only truly international city,is a hot house. The Reds
represent both Brisbane and Queensland and play in the wonderful Suncorp Stadium.I have never had the feeling that Sydney consider The Waratahs to be ‘their team’.There is an emotional vaccuum.
3.This emotional vaccuum is compounded by the salary cap.The ARU, in trying to even things out, is actually dumbing Australian rugby down.There needs to be a higher standard that other franchises collectively aspire to.How can we expect people to develop a sence of ownership or emotional attachment to a team ,when franchises are forced to sell players that prefer to stay with the team,to the opposition.Sure there must be ridgid financial governance if there is no salary cap,but thats doable.
4.Lifting the salary cap, would allow a few more overseas stars to be recruiited to Australian teams.This would lift the standard, and subsequently attract the interest of free to air TV.That’s where the money is. FTA TV is the only way to increase a broader interest in rugby,and get bums on seats at games.In time this would allow the ARU to develop more teams. The extra cash provided by FTA TV could then be pumped into lower grades.
July 13th 2012 @ 11:54am
AndyS said | July 13th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
I’d agree with all of that except the salary cap. If that is lifted, all we will see is the players expecting pay rises. It is exactly what happened this year – the moment it was suggested the limit was to be lifted, the Force chased Genia with the extra and everyone was lining up for a run at Pocock. They didn’t go overseas looking for talent; couldn’t anyway because of the restrictions. If that is what is wanted, they are already going about it the best way…count them as a fixed number under the salary cap (say, 70k for a development player and 200k for a marquee) and let the teams find the rest themselves.
July 13th 2012 @ 7:16am
Johnno said | July 13th 2012 @ 7:16am | Report comment
-Ways to fix Aust rugby:
-Have a top down approach like NZ. A pyramid scheme. The AB’s are the top of the scheme, with all other rugby below the AB’S striving to develop players to be in the AB’S squad. The AB’S is definition of the total system as all teams below it work to make it the force it is.
-Re-model school boy rugby here. The sad decline of GPS on the roar article highlighted this well.
-Re-model of school boy rugby to have conferences, eg sydney metro, Greater western sydney(GWS), northern zone, and public schools. then have a state title . So all school teams are striving to win the state title eg warpath shield. Not just there own conference.
-Get a tv deal to show schoolboy rugby. NZ and STh Africa do, and exposes the game more. In Aust the private school headmasters say there scared of there schools turning into rugby academies or getting to big or over professional.
Total nonsense encourage exposure don’t reduce it.
-NZ school boy has state titles or national tittles so far more harder.
-Private school forty is isolanist as it is limited to small conference, and the teams don’t play for things like state titles nor are they grouped according to strength.
- Have a 6th super rugby team eg in west sydney or adeliade.
-Privates the super rugby franchises.
-Allow more imports, as more imports marquee ones lift the standard and tv ratings $$$$ and higher crowds, so more money can go into grass roots not less. And that then can lead to more depth.
-EPL soccer in england has heloed the england national team having unlimited imports, as has spain, france, and italy, and germany there leagues are better with unlimited imports it has meant more money can be spent on junior academies.
-But have i would say 5 imports per team, and also an additional allowance of 3 Argeninta rule imports if wanted, so up to 8 imports then per squad of 35.
July 13th 2012 @ 7:25am
Uncle Argyle said | July 13th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Spiro,
“The Waratahs have a tradition of being one of the great provincial sides in world rugby. They have beaten the All Blacks on a number of occasions.”When? I am sure they did a very very long time ago, perhaps when the Australian team was known as the ‘Waratahs’ but I can’t recall NSW beating New Zealand in the past 30 odd years. Can you please identify when?
“Sydney has or had a club competition which was the equal to any in the world. The city, too, has the greatest rugby school in Australia, St Joeseph’s Hunter Hill which has produced 15 per cent of all Wallabies. There are several strong school-boy rugby competitions.” I think Brothers, University and Sunnybank have all defeated Sydney teams in the Club championship recently have they not? Whilst I acknowledge St Josephs Hunters Hill as a great rugby school, probably the best in NSW I think St Josephs College Nudgee is just as great a nursery if not greater.
My point is Spiro NSW is so caught up in how good it thinks it should be that it expects everyone else to buy the hype. State of Origin in the mungo is a prime example. NSW Rugby wants to be bought and their price, as a blue chip stock becuase the fundamentals are traditionally there. The fact is the managment have run the ‘company’ so poorly for so long its borderline ‘junk’. Yet long term shareholders continue to talk about how good the company is and want everyone else to buy in. Not with my super fund!
I do agree that a Queensland style purge is required but its a different prospect in Sydney than it is in Brisbane due to the ego and corporate interest in NSW Rugby. Everyone wants a say and a blazer! Time for a ‘Night of the long knives” for NSW Rugby. But is JON and Matt Carroll smart enough, tough enough and decent enough to do it. ME thinks no becuase how does that get JON to the lofty hieghts of IRB President then onto the IOC. Nah!
July 13th 2012 @ 9:50am
moaman said | July 13th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Uncle; I have done some delving without much success in order to answer your query ” The Waratahs have a tradition of being one of the great provincial sides in world rugby. They have beaten the All Blacks on a number of occasions.”When? I am sure they did a very very long time ago, perhaps when the Australian team was known as the ‘Waratahs’ but I can’t recall NSW beating New Zealand in the past 30 odd years. Can you please identify when? ” According to one unverified source,NSW beat NZ 6 times between 1921-28 and then twice more in 1947 and 1962. I read a facinating SMH article from July 7,1924 following the 20-16 win over the tourists….many names that would feature later that year in the “Invincibles” like Brownlie,Porter and Nepia.A description of Porter’s offside play was eerily reminiscent of accusations levelled at one R McCaw
( NSW were,to all intents and purposes,representing Australia in those days,in all but name.) The only recent win I can think of was a fatastic display by Sydney over a mid-week side..1992? AS a matter of interest,Orange Free State is the only other non-Test team to consistantly trouble the All Blacks,with 3 scalps under their belts…..
July 13th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Uncle Argyle said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Mate I think Munster beat the All Blacks in 1978, not sure if Queensland ever did. With respect to NSW Rugby and Waratah fans a win over the All Blacks in 1962 is hardly the bedrock you would want to launch the re-vitalised Waratahs in 2013. As for Porter I am sitting here with my Dad who is 124 years old and he reckons Porter was a bigger cheat than McCaw too
July 13th 2012 @ 12:52pm
JohnB said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Qld beat All Blacks 1980. Great game.
July 13th 2012 @ 3:06pm
Uncle Argyle said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
I don’t recall it but great to know. Its funny how its not the bedrock of Qld Rugby but thanks for letting me know John.
July 14th 2012 @ 11:30pm
JohnB said | July 14th 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
42-4 and 48-10 v NSW in the 70s were more the bedrock.
July 13th 2012 @ 4:38pm
sheek said | July 13th 2012 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
Qld team 1980, beat ABs 9-3 (no tries):
Roger Gould, Peter Grigg, Andy Slack, Geoff Shaw, Brendan Moon, Paul McLean(c), Dave Forsyth, Bruce Kennon, Chris Roche, Tony Shaw, Peter McLean, Duncan Hall, Tony D’Arcy, Billy Ross, Chris Handy.
Bench: Steve Rowley, John Windsor, Tom Barker, Graham Brand.
There are quite a few interesting things about this team.
1. Paul McLean was the Wallabies captain-designate, but his only test of 1980 was against Fiji. He missed the 1st ABs test through injury, after which Mark Ella held his place.
2. With McLean on the sidelines, & Slack also, Tony Shaw led the Wallabies to victory in the 3 test series. But McLean was skipper against the ABs in the state game.
3. One of the state’s most famous sons, Mark Loane, played in South Africa in 1980. He was so impressive in domestic rugby for Natal, the Boks selectors sounded him out about touring NZ in 1981.
4. The team contained former Wallaby captain, NSW Country & NSW centre Geoff Shaw. Apart from a one-off BC test in 1979, Shaw had not played regular test rugby since 1976. But he gave sterling service to Qld 1977-80.
5. Stan Pilecki had been a key member of the Wallaby pack in 1980, but missed this game through injury, as well as the 3rd test.
Of the team above, the following played tests in 1980 against the ABs:
Gould (3), Grigg (1), Moon (3), Tony Shaw (3), McLean (1), Hall (3), D’Arcy (1), Ross (3), Handy (2) & of course Pilecki (2).
July 13th 2012 @ 12:53pm
Riccardo said | July 13th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
124 not out Uncle?
The Don would appreciate an innings of that stature
Not sure the Australian rugby fan could appreciate there has ever been a bigger cheat than Richie but if they did you can be sure they would bet he was a Kiwi!
And if your Dad is 124 not out Uncle…
July 13th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Uncle Argyle said | July 13th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Yes he has two teeth, blindin one eye, deaf as a post, in a wheelchair, completely incontinent and generally drools alot. I love him dearly. He played open side flanker for Glebe in 1914 but his rugby was interupted by the war. Germans can have bad timing! However he is generally only lucid during Bledisloe Cup matches and funnily enough he said “That Damn McCaw biggest cheat since Porter in 24.” He then goes back to drooling.
July 13th 2012 @ 1:57pm
moaman said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
This is worth a look ; http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16134889 Apparently the All Black backs were “fast and nippy”